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6 hours ago, Matt said:

You do realise that’s a perfect post for a Leave voter, right?

I do but I’ve come to the conclusion that leaving the EU as put a bigger wedge between the Union with only Wales not trying to make gains out of the English for the result, the Irish want a United Ireland the Scots want independence. 
The finances don’t work for a Union anymore leaving the EU has cost the United Kingdom billions in trade and billions in penalties, the only country in the alliance to suffer the financial costs will be England, we propped up Scotland in excess of 15 billion more than there GDP I’m sure NI and Wales will have the same poor figures, when it comes to cutting the budget I bet they will receive the same funding and it will be the English who make the sacrifices. I for one am sick of the disparity between Scottish citizens and us and the last count in excess of £1,200.00 per head. 
Let’s be honest things have dramatically changed for us in Europe and the Union, look at what the EU tried to do 27 days after the Brexit deal ride all over it for their own gains.

I distrust the Scottish and N.I they would shaft the English given the opportunity, sorry mate but time to look after ourselves on this one, and yes that’s from a hardened remainer. 

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7 hours ago, Bailey said:

Wow... I find your way of looking at all of this complete contradiction.

I just don't understand you at all, you talk about social values and remaining an inclusive part of EU and yet you marginalise and stereotype anyone who doesn't agree with you. They are contrasting ends of the spectrum.

So what basis were people using to vote when they decided to vote leave? I've already posted the billboard that shows they preyed on people prejudice.

Public were well informed of the prime minister's comments. Do you think Boris Johnson's comments aren't racist? 

 

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7 hours ago, Matt said:

Because you’ve been, vehemently at times, anti-Brexit but then show all the arguments of a Brexiteer. 

I have mate and still am with all my heart and soul, but we’ve been truly shafted by the right wing in politics and those who supported their flawed ideology, your a young man Matt there is still time in your life to undo the wrong and return to how it was before, to some form of normality and a possible return to the EU, unfortunately I won’t live long enough to see or enjoy that day. My dreams and retirement plans have been dashed to a certain degree, have I thrown my dummy out the pram quite possibly, but what I’m not prepared to do now is have the Scots rob us blind and hold us to ransom over the Scottish independence as far as I’m concerned they can have there independence, so I don’t have to keep paying in more for them to take out per head whilst there sticking their fingers up to us. No Matt I’m done with this Union bollocks the majority of them don’t want it, and in a poll sometime back a majority of English didn’t want it, so let’s call it fucking day so we can all concentrate on what’s left to try and make our own country better instead of pandering to those who don’t want to be part of a flawed United Kingdom, because we are far from United. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

No Matt I’m done with this Union bollocks the majority of them don’t want it, and in a poll sometime back a majority of English didn’t want it

YouGov poll last year said 13% of English wanted rid of Scotland, not exactly a majority.

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

YouGov poll last year said 13% of English wanted rid of Scotland, not exactly a majority.

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Well let’s see the latest poll of Scots who want to leave the Union, and we should have a poll that asks the English whether they would like independence, but that won’t happen we are the majority being led by the minority. Instead of spending 100s of millions on the high speed railway we should be using that money to take the nuclear submarine base out of Scotland and building it in England, in readiness for their independence. 
Also Mike do you think the Union with Scotland is worth fighting for when it’s clear they want their independence, and if so on what grounds. 

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17 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Also Mike do you think the Union with Scotland is worth fighting for when it’s clear they want their independence, and if so on what grounds. 

No opinion on that, I'm with the 34% who said it's for the people of those places to decide. I'm actually gentically more Scottish than English though, only 18% of my DNA ethnicity is English. I'm seriously considering moving north of the border in the not too distant future, whether it's still part of the UK by then is out of my hands.

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6 minutes ago, MikeO said:

No opinion on that, I'm with the 34% who said it's for the people of those places to decide. I'm actually gentically more Scottish than English though, only 18% of my DNA ethnicity is English. I'm seriously considering moving north of the border in the not too distant future, whether it's still part of the UK by then is out of my hands.

I think we might seriously consider it too, just because I’ll need my mountain fix and I want Eleanor to continue to be bi-lingual :D 

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1 minute ago, MikeO said:

No opinion on that, I'm with the 34% who said it's for the people of those places to decide. I'm actually gentically more Scottish than English though, only 18% of my DNA ethnicity is English. I'm seriously considering moving north of the border in the not too distant future, whether it's still part of the UK by then is out of my hands.

That will be nice fingers crossed for you if that’s what you want to do, I’m in the process of having a place built in Spain which I’m going to struggle to enjoy due to the Brexit deal being a complete farce, I’m gutted I’ve made a substantial investment in my retirement plans that’s gone Pete Tong. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

That will be nice fingers crossed for you if that’s what you want to do, I’m in the process of having a place built in Spain which I’m going to struggle to enjoy due to the Brexit deal being a complete farce, I’m gutted I’ve made a substantial investment in my retirement plans that’s gone Pete Tong. 

We always intended on retiring to Greece, looked at building plots and houses and did the sums and it was very doable; don't want to do it on my own though, 'specially not with the added complication of my new medical needs. 

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

We always intended on retiring to Greece, looked at building plots and houses and did the sums and it was very doable; don't want to do it on my own though, 'specially not with the added complication of my new medical needs. 

I think Scotland would be a much safer bet when it comes to your health requirements mate, but the sun sea food and pace of life won’t be same. 
Do you think you’re ever go back to Greece for holidays when the time is right health wise and Covid allowable. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

That will be nice fingers crossed for you if that’s what you want to do, I’m in the process of having a place built in Spain which I’m going to struggle to enjoy due to the Brexit deal being a complete farce, I’m gutted I’ve made a substantial investment in my retirement plans that’s gone Pete Tong. 

where in spain if you don't mind me asking?

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13 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Do you think you’re ever go back to Greece for holidays when the time is right health wise and Covid allowable. 

I have flights and three weeks accommodation booked for September mate, it was actually booked at the back end of 2019 for September last year but obviously not able to go because of the virus, and I was in hospital then anyway. I certainly plan to go if it's allowed by then, insurance will be an arm and a leg but what the hell.

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4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I have flights and three weeks accommodation booked for September mate, it was actually booked at the back end of 2019 for September last year but obviously not able to go because of the virus, and I was in hospital then anyway. I certainly plan to go if it's allowed by then, insurance will be an arm and a leg but what the hell.

We should god willing be in a better place by then. 

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13 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

where in spain if you don't mind me asking?

I sold my place a while back in Costa Blanca and bought a plot of land in a place near Mojaca in Almeneria, the builder has started should be complete by September/October, originally planned to spend 50% of my time there and same back here, but the rules for British in the EU have dramatically changed for the amount of time we can spend in the EU at anyone time and every 6 month’s, unless you take up residency in one of the EU countries then you have no restrictions when you can come and go. Just feels a bit shit at the moment so many plans now up in the air, we’ve toyed with finishing the build and selling it straight away and cutting our losses. 

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I sold my place a while back in Costa Blanca and bought a plot of land in a place near Mojaca in Almeneria, the builder has started should be complete by September/October, originally planned to spend 50% of my time there and same back here, but the rules for British in the EU have dramatically changed for the amount of time we can spend in the EU at anyone time and every 6 month’s, unless you take up residency in one of the EU countries then you have no restrictions when you can come and go. Just feels a bit shit at the moment so many plans now up in the air, we’ve toyed with finishing the build and selling it straight away and cutting our losses. 

once you have property in spain can you get a spanish passport?  could make it easier to travel.  might have to pay a bit but could be worth it.

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38 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I sold my place a while back in Costa Blanca and bought a plot of land in a place near Mojaca in Almeneria, the builder has started should be complete by September/October, originally planned to spend 50% of my time there and same back here, but the rules for British in the EU have dramatically changed for the amount of time we can spend in the EU at anyone time and every 6 month’s, unless you take up residency in one of the EU countries then you have no restrictions when you can come and go. Just feels a bit shit at the moment so many plans now up in the air, we’ve toyed with finishing the build and selling it straight away and cutting our losses. 

We had a place near Mazarrón about sixty miles up the coast from Mojácar a few years back, was a stunning apartment but just never "got" Spain at all. Been many times to many places over the years but it's not for me, enjoyed Madrid but not a holiday destination.

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Sunak is to pay for the cost of COVID-19 bail outs through higher taxes for businesses, personal pensions, private landlords and the self employed, all of which will impact me. Now I haven’t got a problem with that the money has to be raised and those who are best placed to pay more should, and those who aren’t shouldn’t be plunged into further hardship. My only reservation or concern is that this government cannot be trusted with our money, the last year has proven they are completely out of control with money been spent on Covid and Brexit. 

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26 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

What’s so bad about flying the flag?

I’m not bothered either way like. 

On the face of it nothing but the flag has become the badge of nationalism, and the absurd suggestion that flying it will bring people together is right wing nonsense.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/24/the-toll-of-empty-nationalism-the-brexit-bell-ends/

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

just wait, your kids will start every day in school with a pledge of allegiance to the flag next.  did that as a kid and they still do it now, nationalism bullshit.  i didn't choose to live here, i was born here, no reason to indoctrinate me as a kid.

The sight of so many flags flying outside of houses over there I find disturbing, gets to the point inevitably where those not flying a flag are looked at with suspicion. In the end you wind up with something like the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade in Catch-22, where everyone has to swear an elaborate oath of loyalty to get their lunch (or do anything). I realise that's hyperbolic but we'll not be far off if we carry on like some want us to, following America's example as ever.

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7 minutes ago, MikeO said:

The sight of so many flags flying outside of houses over there I find disturbing, gets to the point inevitably where those not flying a flag are looked at with suspicion. In the end you wind up with something like the Glorious Loyalty Oath Crusade in Catch-22, where everyone has to swear an elaborate oath of loyalty to get their lunch (or do anything). I realise that's hyperbolic but we'll not be far off if we carry on like some want us to, following America's example as ever.

I agree.  We don’t fly flags and don’t have anything patriotic.  I pay my fucking taxes (unlike 40% of Americans) that’s my civic duty.

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

What’s so bad about flying the flag?

I’m not bothered either way like. 

You not scared that a country that's taking away its people's rights is also pushing nationalism? 

Be talk of the British empire soon.

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

On the face of it nothing but the flag has become the badge of nationalism, and the absurd suggestion that flying it will bring people together is right wing nonsense.

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/24/the-toll-of-empty-nationalism-the-brexit-bell-ends/

Only if people want to see it that way and let it be claimed in that way.

Personally, it’s not “my” flag so I’m not arsed if it’s flown or not, just thought I’d ask.

1 hour ago, pete0 said:

You not scared that a country that's taking away its people's rights is also pushing nationalism? 

Be talk of the British empire soon.

I’m not scared of a flag being flown on government buildings, no. 

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5 hours ago, pete0 said:

You can't be a Christian and a Tory. When Jesus fed the 5000 he weren't on about creating a need for food banks.

JR-M, is the best Christian you'll find, Pete. He's such a good Christian that he doesn't believe women that have become pregnant through rape should be allowed an abortion but he's absolutely fine with Boris Johnson's adultery.

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