Goodbye To The Gravy Guzzler

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Don't be silly I could have saved them from relegation, what he has done is ruin efc as a footballing club, any other manager would have them  in 6th place.
He should be removed ASAP and all those customers who have paid good money to watch that rubbish should be refunded and apologized to.

Sorry Bill but to say any other manager would have us in 6th , even excluding the fact two other managers have already spectacularly failed to get anything out of this shower of shite, is beyond delusional

[chalkpie]

Just watched Watford carve open Chelski......they seem LIGHT FUCKING YEARS ahead of us in every aspect, yet we are still one place ahead of them? Bizarre. I wish we played like Watford did today. Geri scored too. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Couldn't care less about what he sees. As for the table, I'm a lot more nervous now than I was before he took over.

Which is totally bizarre given we were in a far more precarious position before he came

[chalkpie]

PS - maybe Antonio Conte will get the Chelski sack, maybe we can score him??

[Bill]

44 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Sorry Bill but to say any other manager would have us in 6th , even excluding the fact two other managers have already spectacularly failed to get anything out of this shower of shite, is beyond delusional



 

Sorry Dunc I meant 7th.

We have played the worst football I have seen in many a year, I agree we were bad before he came but Unsy had a good win playing decent football then he came, he kept the same team Unsy had the week before and made it back to back wins, since then we have gone downhill.

He has never played the same team twice, he makes 3 or 4 changes and continually changes tactics, the players look as if they don't want to play and are beaten before they come onto the pitch.  Yet we are only 4 or 5 points off 7th place, should have left Unsworth in charge they would be playing with a bit more pride now and would have got more points than they have.

It's no good people saying he came here to keep us up and he's done the job, any manager would have kept this squad up, I still believe we can finish  7th but that's not because of him, he has removed any football capabilities the players had by insisting that ten men stay behind the ball in our own half, what he's doing is driving the club to the point of ridicule, I want him out asap.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

We have played the worst football I have seen in many a year, I agree we were bad before he came but Unsy had a good win playing decent football then he came, kept the same team Unsy had the week before and made a good start, since then we have gone downhill.
He has never played the same team twice, he makes 3 or 4 changes and continually changes tactics, the players look as if they don't want to play and are beaten before they come onto the pitch.  Yet we are only 4 or 5 points off 6th place, should have left Unsworth in charge they would be playing with a bit more pride now and would got more points than they have.
It's no good people saying he came here to keep us up and he's done the job, any manager would have kept this squad up, I still believe we can finish sixth, but that's not because of him, he has removed any football capabilities the players had by insisting that ten men stay behind the ball in our own half, what he's doing is driving the club to the point of ridicule, I want him out asap.

I’m not trying to defend Allardyce , I didn’t want him but could empathise with the decision to bring him in

I thought , given his track record, that he was a necessary evil. I thought he would do what he’s always done and made us organised and hard to beat. The first few weeks it looked like that was exactly what was happening . We’ve since reverted back to the same old shite that was happening under Koeman and Unsworth.

There in lies my point, I said before Koeman was sacked that I didn’t think any manager could mould this bunch of misfits into anything resembling a decent football team and that still stands

Your kidding yourself if you honestly believe thing were any different under Unsworth , the Southampton game being a prime example

The problems are far deeper than the manager and how Walsh is still in a job is beyond me. Our recruitment policy has been nothing short of a disaster

[Matt]

8 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Which is totally bizarre given we were in a far more precarious position before he came

Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

[Shukes]

I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 

Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?

Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?

The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

[Loose]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

He has written this season off, fair enough, but I am concerned he could ruin us for much longer. Players don't want to play for him. United are apparently eyeing up Pickford and you couldn't blame for being tempted. Rooney was our most creative player (a player who also needs matches to be at his best) and he dropped him. Siggurdson dropped so we could play eight at the back in search of a cleansheet (and we concede 5). I don't believe we couldn't have brought in a proper left-back in Jan if we really needed to (and clearly we do).

Sam's selling point was back to basics and "steadying the ship", but I don't think he's played the same team or even the same system in two consecutive games, even after a win. May can't come quickly enough.

[Matt]

32 minutes ago, Loose said:

He has written this season off, fair enough, but I am concerned he could ruin us for much longer. Players don't want to play for him. United are apparently eyeing up Pickford and you couldn't blame for being tempted. Rooney was our most creative player (a player who also needs matches to be at his best) and he dropped him. Siggurdson dropped so we could play eight at the back in search of a cleansheet (and we concede 5). I don't believe we couldn't have brought in a proper left-back in Jan if we really needed to (and clearly we do).

Sam's selling point was back to basics and "steadying the ship", but I don't think he's played the same team or even the same system in two consecutive games, even after a win. May can't come quickly enough.

Was saying the same the moment his name was mentioned

[chalkpie]

You gotta go Fatt fuckin slobb!! Get the funk out bitch, and take your stupid stereo headset with you!!!

[Palfy]

He's helped get the points that should make us safe so job done, as far as his future is concerned he shouldn't have one Moshiri surely must be lining his replacement up as we speak, if not he needs to sell his shares and they can fuck off together with Walsh strapped to the front of the car.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Not even close. There were twice as many points still to play for and a transfer window before he got here. He has squandered any chance of making a good impression and gotten us further into the shit

Not defending Allardyce but we were in trouble way before he got here , it’s just that some people are either only just waking up to that fact or had pinned there hopes on us buying our way out of it

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 
Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?
Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?
The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

That’s not what happened at all, we played well in Unsworths first and last game , everything in between was just as shite as we were on Saturday

Agree with that neither Koeman , Unsworth or Sam are good enough

[Bailey]

12 hours ago, Shukes said:

I don’t het why people don’t see what happened? Yes we lost badly to Southampton and in a Euro dead rubber, but we also performed much better for the rest of Unsworths matches. Results were up and down, but generally we were better. 

Sam came along, and like Bill said, kept Insworths team together and gained another result.... then he changed it.... do we need to go on?

Not sure how anyone can’t see that this is the worst football for a fair few years. It’s laughable, it’s horrible to watch, it’s aouls destroying for the players to have to play this way. Is it a surprise that so many asked to get away this transfer window?

The fact is that neither Koeman, Unsworth or Sam are good enough. Though either of them would have saved us from relegation.... Jimmy the kit man could also do that.... fuck me, let Rooney take charge, he could save this team from relegation.

The bit in bold is the scary bit.

If Sam is still here in the summer we wont have a team left!

[chalkpie]

Maybe this team just fucking sucks moosebag now. Like we are not even PL worthy? Maybe if we got relegated (I seriously hope not), it would be a serious wake-up call and Renaissance for this team. I dunno, can any manager in the world turn these bunch of turkeys into a team that we would be proud of? 

[chalkpie]

1 hour ago, patto said:

Think you need to leave Bolasie out the equation he is absolutely awful another waste of money 30 mill for someone who has no end product.

He has no middle product either.

[Shukes]

11 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

That’s not what happened at all, we played well in Unsworths first and last game , everything in between was just as shite as we were on Saturday

Agree with that neither Koeman , Unsworth or Sam are good enough

 

I agree we were shit in the rest of the matches, but it was still a lesser degree shit than Sam and Koeman. You could see signs of improvement.

Young players were coming in and playing really well. It was a small step forward. 

You may not see it like that, but it doesnt mean others didn’t see it a different way.

Still wasn’t near enough good enough, but it wasn’t this dreadful, boring, dull, downhill slide we are seeing now. I’m just praying the lads can give us something to cling onto on Saturday because I am so depressed with our play at the moment.

[Matt]

14 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Not defending Allardyce but we were in trouble way before he got here , it’s just that some people are either only just waking up to that fact or had pinned there hopes on us buying our way out of it

 

But you said we were in a worse state before he came. Potential points we were not, recruitment was still a possibility. Allardyce, along with Walsh, has squandered these things, and I'd be amazed if anyone thought we were in a better position now - factually we were not.

I don't believe anyone is now "waking up"; I'm pretty sure all who were not worried, were not worried because there was time and opportunity to improve and had faith that even though we were in the shit, we could pull ourselves out of it. There is now no real basis for hope; we cannot buy our way out of this, and points are fading quickly with a manager who refuses to take accountability.

Allardyce, at the time he was appointed, was not required. His appointment was based on panic and anger following delusional expectations being utterly shattered following a massive spending spree; like a kid on a sugar-crash. A relegation specialist now is required, and the one we've got is fucking useless, even worse, detrimental. 

3 hours ago, Shukes said:

I agree we were shit in the rest of the matches, but it was still a lesser degree shit than Sam and Koeman. You could see signs of improvement.

Young players were coming in and playing really well. It was a small step forward. 

You may not see it like that, but it doesnt mean others didn’t see it a different way.

Still wasn’t near enough good enough, but it wasn’t this dreadful, boring, dull, downhill slide we are seeing now. I’m just praying the lads can give us something to cling onto on Saturday because I am so depressed with our play at the moment.

Bingo.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Bingo.

I really do get that people aren’t happy with Allardyce I just struggle to see why people believe Unsworth was the answer

 

His record was terrible, in his run of games we played sides who were down the bottom with us who were also struggling and yet we managed to make them all look like world beaters

 

The facts are that we were in a far more precarious position before he was appointed. We were 16th in the table just 2 points above the drop zone and 4 points off the bottom of the table

 

You can talk about there potentially being more points to play for at the time or potential signings all you like but at the end of the day it’s points on the board that counts and potential means nothing

 

 

 

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I really do get that people aren’t happy with Allardyce I just struggle to see why people believe Unsworth was the answer

 

His record was terrible, in his run of games we played sides who were down the bottom with us who were also struggling and yet we managed to make them all look like world beaters

 

The facts are that we were in a far more precarious position before he was appointed. We were 16th in the table just 2 points above the drop zone and 4 points off the bottom of the table

 

You can talk about there potentially being more points to play for at the time or potential signings all you like but at the end of the day it’s points on the board that counts and potential means nothing

Potential is just that, potential. We were in a shit place, playing mostly shit football, but there was more potential for improvement. Now there is even less potential than before, so how are we not in a more precarious situation now under the supposed relegation expert?

I'm not going to go through my opinions on Unsworth, they're well documented and we'll just never agree on something that's now irrelevant

[Matt]

11 hours ago, chalkpie said:

He has no middle product either.

 

13 hours ago, patto said:

Think you need to leave Bolasie out the equation he is absolutely awful another waste of money 30 mill for someone who has no end product.

I remember getting slated for saying that kind of a player when we signed him  

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

Potential is just that, potential. We were in a shit place, playing mostly shit football, but there was more potential for improvement. Now there is even less potential than before, so how are we not in a more precarious situation now under the supposed relegation expert?
I'm not going to go through my opinions on Unsworth, they're well documented and we'll just never agree on something that's now irrelevant [emoji4]

We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !

[Vranny]

I'm with Dunc on this one. I was way more worried about relegation under Koeman and Unsworth than I am now. The above post regarding points of the relegation spots backs that up.

Now if we're talking style of play and our future beyond this season however... 

[Matt]

44 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 

We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !

 

 

There were 80 points for a poor performing team to play for when Unsworth took over (around that at least), there are now 36 and only 7 points off relegation and no possibility to reinforce the squad. Not sure how you can see that as anything but worse  

The last line I agree with, the issue there is we're on a slippery slope again (currently 3rd from bottom in terms of the form table) with other teams that were written off being in some kind of resurgence in Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Palace... The only potential comfort is other teams being much worse I guess, but that's not any comfort.

edit: That 7 point gap incidently, is the same amount of points Unsworth got in his 5 Premier League games. Just sayin...

 

[Bill]

I wasn't worried at all when Unsy got the Job, it took him a few games to sort the mess out and just when he had they give it to this moron,  Unsy just got the team right for a four nil win, then Allardyce kept Unsys team for his first game and won again for back to back wins.  He then decided to try his way and its gone downhill since if you take away the 6 points that Unsys team won Allardyce is even worse than most people think.

I've said from the word go that we wouldn't get relegated, but this club is in turmoil and i have seen better football from a Sunday Pub team, and thats what needs changing but he is constantly playing shite, it is foreign to most of our players to play in their own half, and he has destroyed them as players who can play football, i never felt this bad when Smith and Lee were here, we probably lost as many games but at least they tried to play football in the opponents half.

[Bailey]

49 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 

We are now 10th as opposed to 16th , we are 7 points off the relegation zone as opposed to 2 and we are 11 points off bottom place as opposed to 4

Not sure how you can say we are not in a less precarious position

Oh and if we want to talk potential there are less potential points up for grabs for the teams below us to catch up !

 

 

We were 13th, presumably 5 points off relegation when Allardyce took over or are you chalking the West Ham game up for Allardyce to suit your argument? 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

There were 80 points for a poor performing team to play for when Unsworth took over (around that at least), there are now 36 and only 7 points off relegation and no possibility to reinforce the squad. Not sure how you can see that as anything but worse  
The last line I agree with, the issue there is we're on a slippery slope again (currently 3rd from bottom in terms of the form table) with other teams that were written off being in some kind of resurgence in Swansea, West Ham, Southampton, Palace... The only potential comfort is other teams being much worse I guess, but that's not any comfort.
edit: That 7 point gap incidently, is the same amount of points Unsworth got in his 5 Premier League games. Just sayin...
 

I don’t see it as worse because I’m looking at the facts

The facts are we are higher up the table and have a bigger gap between us and the relegation zone. The fact that there are less points to play for is a positive as it means there is less room for manoeuvre for the sides below us

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

We were 13th, presumably 5 points off relegation when Allardyce took over or are you chalking the West Ham game up for Allardyce to suit your argument? 

No not at all

The argument is whether or not we are in a more precarious position now or before Allardyce was appointed and he was appointed before the West Han game

What’s to say that his presence in the stands that night didn’t give the players the lift they needed to beat West Ham?

[Matt]

4 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

 

I don’t see it as worse because I’m looking at the facts

The facts are we are higher up the table and have a bigger gap between us and the relegation zone. The fact that there are less points to play for is a positive as it means there is less room for manoeuvre for the sides below us

 

 

As am I. 7 points with 50 points less to play for is a worse situation that 5 points and 80  The "higher up the table" argument isn'tt relevant, the number of points is. If you're more reassured that we are a grand total of 2 points better off (in terms of being above the bottom 3) after another 12 or so games following Allardyce took over, then I give up. 

How is "The less room for manoeuvre" argument reassuring?! It applies to us too, and the worry is that our form from the last 6 games puts us in the bottom 3 whilst teams below us are improving their form? 

Finding it rather amusing that I'm the doom-merchant after trying to be so positive for so long, and you've gone from negative to the champion of hope