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59 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He's far better than Walcott... he's still being judged by his Middlesbrough and villa performances.... 

I've seen him cross a ball very well with both feet. He's learned a few tricks.

Reality is that Liverpool, Man United and Man City are looking at him with wolves rumoured to be looking for £90m 

city and united have been awful in recruitment that last few years, so a link with them means absolutely nothing.  

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8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

When has siggy played on the left of a forward 3?

Just saying he lost his place and say on the bench like Traore, so he can’t be good enough for us...... didn't say anything about him Playing on the left of a front 3.

But for the record, doesn't he often play on the left? Not sure he plays anywhere else other than occasionally central. But anyway, point was Traore isn’t good enough because he’s on the bench, like Siggy.

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

Just saying he lost his place and say on the bench like Traore, so he can’t be good enough for us...... didn't say anything about him Playing on the left of a front 3.

But for the record, doesn't he often play on the left? Not sure he plays anywhere else other than occasionally central. But anyway, point was Traore isn’t good enough because he’s on the bench, like Siggy.

Sigurdsson isn't good enough for us though, so you are making MJB's point for him with that example :lol:.

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Sigurdsson isn't good enough for us though, so you are making MJB's point for him with that example :lol:.

Exactly haha. Sigurdson Has the occasional ok game, but generally not good enough. 
Was more trying to get MJB to bite, he’s usually easier than this hahaha!

Oh wel, back to winding Palfy up!!!! Gana is great!!

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13 hours ago, StevO said:

That’s extremely naive. 

great article below about City's transfers being not great.  in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

great article below about City's transfers being not great.  in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market

Liverpools transfers have been arguably the best and they are interested in him. Klopp seriously rates him 

Aside that, transfers aren't an exact science.  Sometimes they just don't work out for whatever reason.

When clubs are recruiting youth nowadays - a player with the athletic potential of traore is going to get more chance than a diminutive skillful player. That's an absolute fact, whether it's right or not ..... The clubs invest a shitload in understanding what the best players looked like at a certain age.

Thierry Henry for example went to arsenal at 22/23 and broke out at a similar age to traore.... Both utilised primarily for their pace. Both can control a ball and have skill....... The end product is the bit that comes. Similar to what we see with DCL and what we seen with kane. 

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10 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

great article below about City's transfers being not great.  in short, they have replaced worldies with average players but overspent doing so.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/manchester-city/story/4218136/man-citys-worst-start-under-guardiola-is-down-the-club-losing-their-touch-in-the-transfer-market

But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. 

They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. 

The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. 

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51 minutes ago, StevO said:

But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. 

They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. 

The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. 

He’s the fella that said he thought Moyes was a better option for us than Ancelotti and said he’d fancy Moyes to do a better job over 6 months.

He’s a clueless dickhead. 

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3 hours ago, StevO said:

But you thinking because United and City haven’t had great recruiting makes a link worth nothing is ridiculous. You might not have rated their transfers, but these clubs finished second and third in the league. They can’t be that bad. Not to mention that before the season just finished, City were the league champions. 

They might not have bought players you rate, but they aren’t doing so bad with them. 

The last journalists opinion on football I would take would be Mark Ogden, even less if it’s regarding City. The guy might as well have his old Trafford season ticket photographed in his Twitter banner. 

I don’t care about the journalist slant the factual transfer fees and on field play which we all see is evident.  They backline is atrocious and their position in the table shows it.  That is the result of their recruitment, those were first choice players because city gets it first choices.  And they have gotten it wrong.  More times than right recently.  So a link with them isn’t a confirmation of ability.  That is my point.  United the same thing.  Liverpool you can’t fault so if they are truly linked I would say their could be a player there as their recruitment has as a whole been net positive.

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

I don’t care about the journalist slant the factual transfer fees and on field play which we all see is evident.  They backline is atrocious and their position in the table shows it.  That is the result of their recruitment, those were first choice players because city gets it first choices.  And they have gotten it wrong.  More times than right recently.  So a link with them isn’t a confirmation of ability.  That is my point.  United the same thing.  Liverpool you can’t fault so if they are truly linked I would say their could be a player there as their recruitment has as a whole been net positive.

Finished second and third, don’t know what more you need. 

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23 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Liverpools transfers have been arguably the best and they are interested in him. Klopp seriously rates him 

Aside that, transfers aren't an exact science.  Sometimes they just don't work out for whatever reason.

When clubs are recruiting youth nowadays - a player with the athletic potential of traore is going to get more chance than a diminutive skillful player. That's an absolute fact, whether it's right or not ..... The clubs invest a shitload in understanding what the best players looked like at a certain age.

Thierry Henry for example went to arsenal at 22/23 and broke out at a similar age to traore.... Both utilised primarily for their pace. Both can control a ball and have skill....... The end product is the bit that comes. Similar to what we see with DCL and what we seen with kane. 

I think the telling point is that Liverpool bought Jota instead, who in my opinion is a far more complete footballer.

There is no way Traore would fit in at Liverpool and I would be amazed if they had really considered buying him.

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9 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think the telling point is that Liverpool bought Jota instead, who in my opinion is a far more complete footballer.

There is no way Traore would fit in at Liverpool and I would be amazed if they had really considered buying him.

If Adama traore was available for a fee up to £45m then I know who they would have got. FSG are being tight with coins.  Didn't Liverpool lose out on a fullback at Norwich for scrimping? 

 

 

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16 hours ago, Hafnia said:

If Adama traore was available for a fee up to £45m then I know who they would have got. FSG are being tight with coins.  Didn't Liverpool lose out on a fullback at Norwich for scrimping? 

 

 

If Traore was going to be that important to them they would have bought him at that price. Just like they did with VVD and Alison. 

They wanted Jota because he fits and they bought him for what wasn't exactly a cheap price either. 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

If Traore was going to be that important to them they would have bought him at that price. Just like they did with VVD and Alison. 

They wanted Jota because he fits and they bought him for what wasn't exactly a cheap price either. 

Jota is a rotation player, he's a sub tonight.   He will feature more than minamino.  

It's been widely reported klopp wants traore  .... He referred to him as unplayable and he's a huge fan.  Klopp had told Edwards he wanted him 

Liverpool have not been given the cash to spend which is why they never went in for Timo werner.... Klopp conceded that they weren't looking to sanction such bids with them losing as much money as they are.  

Jota is a tidy player who will give them strength in depth.  Traore is a turbo boost for an already dynamic front line. 

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35 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Jota is a rotation player, he's a sub tonight.   He will feature more than minamino.  

It's been widely reported klopp wants traore  .... He referred to him as unplayable and he's a huge fan.  Klopp had told Edwards he wanted him 

Liverpool have not been given the cash to spend which is why they never went in for Timo werner.... Klopp conceded that they weren't looking to sanction such bids with them losing as much money as they are.  

Jota is a tidy player who will give them strength in depth.  Traore is a turbo boost for an already dynamic front line. 

Watching tonight’s game Jota will be replacing Firminio in the not so distant future. 

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9 hours ago, StevO said:

On topic. 
 

We miss Richarlison so much, we lose so much threat without him. 

It would seem that way, but I’m of the same opinion as Ancelotti we have to show we can win with out him, we can’t get tagged as a one player team the onus is on every player to prove we are capable without Richarlison on the pitch. 

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8 hours ago, Bailey said:

To be fair to Shaqiri, when he is fit he has done well coming off the bench for Liverpool.

I rated him at Stoke, but he wasn’t ever breaking into that Liverpool team and hardly played last season. He’s not the player he was two or three years ago. 
Traore could be a real option for any team with his pace. 

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4 minutes ago, StevO said:

I rated him at Stoke, but he wasn’t ever breaking into that Liverpool team and hardly played last season. He’s not the player he was two or three years ago. 
Traore could be a real option for any team with his pace. 

I agree, but he’s to good a player to be playing in the reserves or sat on bench, he needs to get out of Anfield and find regular first team football he could offer so much to another team. 

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Let me start with saying, he clearly is one of the most important players we have, as his three match ban showed us. His work rate is outstanding (I could do with less of the dramatic flopping) and he's got a bite to him that is much needed in the side. 

However, I was just looking at the MOTM thread, and he only has 7 votes all season. For perspective, only 3 players have less votes than him, and Nkounkou has 17 more votes than him. Why do we think that is?

Is it because he does the dirty work of running and tracking back? As Wiggy mentioned above, his finishing has been pretty poor recently (his goal against Leicester was more of a keeper error) and he seems to be lacking that final pass as of late. 

Is this a slight worry or just the natural ebb and flow of a season, where he'll eventually put it all together to be the player we know he can be?

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4 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Let me start with saying, he clearly is one of the most important players we have, as his three match ban showed us. His work rate is outstanding (I could do with less of the dramatic flopping) and he's got a bite to him that is much needed in the side. 

However, I was just looking at the MOTM thread, and he only has 7 votes all season. For perspective, only 3 players have less votes than him, and Nkounkou has 17 more votes than him. Why do we think that is?

Is it because he does the dirty work of running and tracking back? As Wiggy mentioned above, his finishing has been pretty poor recently (his goal against Leicester was more of a keeper error) and he seems to be lacking that final pass as of late. 

Is this a slight worry or just the natural ebb and flow of a season, where he'll eventually put it all together to be the player we know he can be?

Expectations of him are much higher than others, so unless he’s doing something sublime he’s not getting noticed or worse

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As @Hafnia has said before (not trying to steal the credit here) Richarlison is our Firmino.  Rarely gets the MOTD highlights, but he is the reason everyone else is doing well.  He is selfless, his work rate and pressing, dragging defenders with his runs, and aerial ability make him a threat which gives other the opportunity to have a mismatch and score.

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4 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Let me start with saying, he clearly is one of the most important players we have, as his three match ban showed us. His work rate is outstanding (I could do with less of the dramatic flopping) and he's got a bite to him that is much needed in the side. 

However, I was just looking at the MOTM thread, and he only has 7 votes all season. For perspective, only 3 players have less votes than him, and Nkounkou has 17 more votes than him. Why do we think that is?

Is it because he does the dirty work of running and tracking back? As Wiggy mentioned above, his finishing has been pretty poor recently (his goal against Leicester was more of a keeper error) and he seems to be lacking that final pass as of late. 

Is this a slight worry or just the natural ebb and flow of a season, where he'll eventually put it all together to be the player we know he can be?

I think it’s more that each match, a few players have played above their usual standard and thus get the votes. 
Where Richarlison is working his ass off, but not having things break his way at the moment. 
 

I can see him having a run of goals soon.

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I'm not sure he has been THAT good this season. He has still been very good at times but when he has been, someone has been better.

I don’t think its enough that he gets MOTM votes for being a pain in the arse but at the same time, it does enough to stop his bad games being really bad games.

I also think its fair to say he should have at least a couple more goals to his name this season. 

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9 hours ago, RuffRob said:

what every manager loves is consistency - and Richarlison consistently puts in a quality shift for the team - both offensively and defensively. Some games will always be better than others depending on who we play and how we set up. He definitely misses having a attacking full back on the left, so we have automatically been a little toothless as an attacking force this past few games. I would say in most game he is probable most peoples top 3 or 4 performers week in week out.

Exactly, he doesn’t often have a 5/10, usually averaging 6 - 7 on his average days.

He does a lot of grafting work that goes unnoticed  a lot. 

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On 21/12/2020 at 00:25, RuffRob said:

what every manager loves is consistency - and Richarlison consistently puts in a quality shift for the team - both offensively and defensively. Some games will always be better than others depending on who we play and how we set up. He definitely misses having a attacking full back on the left, so we have automatically been a little toothless as an attacking force this past few games. I would say in most game he is probable most peoples top 3 or 4 performers week in week out.

I don't think you can call Richarlison consistent in anything, even effort.

There are times when he will run through brick walls and there are other times when he is sulking like a teenage girl. Whilst they might be 10 minutes apart during the game, you can at least guarantee that at some point in the game, he will get stuck in.

He is definitely not consistent on the ball either. He isn't Iwobi level inconsistent but he has moments when he is and then others when he looks like a world beater.

Like Shukes says, he manages to hit plenty of 6's or 7's after the 90 minutes but during the game itself it is more often than not a bit of a roller-coaster ride!

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17 minutes ago, MC11 said:

He’s been poor for a couple of months but my god that was an absolutely shocking performance. Utterly utterly shocking. 

Absolutely rubbish tonight. It’s hard to understand how we were so bad and how some of them could have regressed so much.

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48 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Awful tonight, somethings not right, I wonder if there’s a move lined up for January and he is keeping himself out of the way to avoid injury

Not in January.... No chance unless its a mega deal involving other players coming this way. 

Very rare you see him like that. 

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11 hours ago, London Blue said:

He is out of form, low on confidence and missing the crowd I think more than most other players. He will be back, he just needs some time. He is such a dangerous  and effective player for us and has given us so much, we can give him the time he needs.

 

A agree and hope your right, but he looks totally disinterested at the moment, doesn’t try to take on the full back down the line, just runs into blind alleys, and didn’t track back as much last night as he usually does.

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I think he has just lost his form and confidence following quite a few missed games. It all makes his sending off against Liverpool even more frustrating. 

It would also appear that these dips are a part of his game. He did it for Watford, he has done it for us at some stage each season too. 

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