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11 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I was fuming enough at Kean being loaned out with no replacement brought in. My head might literally melt if we do the same with Tosun.

It’s done mate. He’s all over his Instagram saying so. Seriously can’t understand this management decision.

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41 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

sad thing is we have him on the books for i think 2 more years.  we need to offload him before he becomes another bolasie loan after loan with no fee.

If he does well, which I think he will over there then someone will buy him in the summer, same for Kenny. 

Staying here and not playing will make it harder to shift them.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

By all accounts Bolasie did well at Sporting and it didn't help him. Kenny is the same with his loan at Shalke. 

 

I maybe wrong but didn’t Shalke want to keep Kenny but we wanted him back, possibly because they were unable to buy and wanted to extend his loan contract for another year. 

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I maybe wrong but didn’t Shalke want to keep Kenny but we wanted him back, possibly because they were unable to buy and wanted to extend his loan contract for another year. 

Financially they're buggered at the moment so couldn't afford more than a loan.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

By all accounts Bolasie did well at Sporting and it didn't help him. Kenny is the same with his loan at Shalke. 

Wagner confirmed that Schalke wanted to purchase Kenny, but that Everton had refused as we wanted to use him in the first-team (plus they're on the verge of bankruptcy). 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Celtic tried to keep Jonjoe on a permanent deal should he do well and with the likes of Burnley also rumoured to be interested I think we'd have no trouble shifting him.

It's not as though he's shite, and as a young, English defender plenty of clubs will be interested whenever he's back on the market.

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1 minute ago, Palfy said:

I maybe wrong but didn’t Shalke want to keep Kenny but we wanted him back, possibly because they were unable to buy and wanted to extend his loan contract for another year. 

Maybe, maybe not. They signed someone else pretty quickly so either we shut it down or they looked elsewhere. I imagine he was available for the right price as Carlo has never given the indication that he fancies him.

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1 minute ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Wagner confirmed that Schalke wanted to purchase Kenny, but that Everton had refused as we wanted to use him in the first-team (plus they're on the verge of bankruptcy). 

It wouldn't surprise me at all if Celtic tried to keep Jonjoe on a permanent deal should he do well and with the likes of Burnley also rumoured to be interested I think we'd have no trouble shifting him.

It's not as though he's shite, and as a young, English defender plenty of clubs will be interested whenever he's back on the market.

To be fair, I do think Kenny will hold some value because of his wages. He won't price lesser clubs out of a move, albeit as I said above, no-one appears to want him at the price we are after.

We will face more difficulties with Tosun because of his wages. The point is, a decent loan spell doesn't mean we will automatically be able to offload the player the next window. 

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3 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Maybe, maybe not. They signed someone else pretty quickly so either we shut it down or they looked elsewhere. I imagine he was available for the right price as Carlo has never given the indication that he fancies him.

Wagner raved over him he was an ever present in the team, like Lookman Kenny was desperate to stay, but we wanted them back. 

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  • 2 months later...

Another season ending knee injury in today’s game - stretchered off. Gutted for him but just as gutted that he’ll probably be on our wage bill for another year now (sorry to sound insensitive!)

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19 hours ago, c1982 said:

Another season ending knee injury in today’s game - stretchered off. Gutted for him but just as gutted that he’ll probably be on our wage bill for another year now (sorry to sound insensitive!)

He would've been anyway. No one was going to buy him and he'd have been out on loan again while his contract ran down to the end.

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24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He would've been anyway. No one was going to buy him and he'd have been out on loan again while his contract ran down to the end.

Agree with this to be honest - nobody was going to pay what we wanted IMO and he would have been shipped out on another loan to run down his deal similar to Bolasie. It just means now than probably paying a 50/50 split of his wages he sits on the entire bill. 

One of them things, he isn't the first player to stop a sale due to injury and won't be the last. 

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Just now, StevO said:

Worth a try. Wouldn’t mind a couple of years salary to fuck off either. 
If you want to leave, Cenk, tell your agent to find you a club who are willing to pay your transfer fee. 

He'll have to start learning how to be a decent footballer first. Currently, he's very fucking shit at it.

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If teams are struggling to pay his wages it looks like we might have to bite the bullet and pay some of his wages when we sell him. I would have thought Tosun to be more ambitious and more willing to drop a wage to play regularly, apparently not.

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Sometimes in this scenario I think it is best just to pay up and cut your losses. 

I have never been a fan of keeping a bad egg in the workplace. When someone wants to leave it creates a ripple with other employees and that negativity spreads.

I certainly wouldnt want him in the younger age groups, influencing them. 

Either make him a deal and see if he takes it or tell him not to come to training and see how he likes sitting on his arse at home watching the games on TV. It will give him plenty of time to get a hair transplant.

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44 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I don't blame him at all for expecting the salary stipulated in his contract. Why shouldn't he? Two parties signed that contract quite willingly.

Exactly he isn’t in breach of his contract I’m assuming, so the other parties need to honour it or come to a deal were they buy him out and make him a free agent. 

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1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

I don't blame him at all for expecting the salary stipulated in his contract. Why shouldn't he? Two parties signed that contract quite willingly.

But surely then he shouldn't be able to then go earn another wage with Beşiktaş, he should go on "gardening leave" I'd have thought, no?

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1 minute ago, MikeO said:

But surely then he shouldn't be able to then go earn another wage with Beşiktaş, he should go on "gardening leave" I'd have thought, no?

Not if they pay him off his contract would then be terminated and he would be free to go his own way, wouldn’t that be a better solution to the problem if we can’t sell him or loan him out for part of his salary, otherwise they just hang around looking like they’ve been hard done by and possibly making others feel uncomfortable in their presence. 

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7 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Not if they pay him off his contract would then be terminated and he would be free to go his own way, wouldn’t that be a better solution to the problem if we can’t sell him or loan him out for part of his salary, otherwise they just hang around looking like they’ve been hard done by and possibly making others feel uncomfortable in their presence. 

It's a better solution for him and Beşiktaş as they know the position and have us over a barrel when it comes to any money changing hands, I'd call their bluff and say no he signed the contract so he's going nowhere. Play hardball and see how much they want him/he wants them, if we give in we're having our pants pulled down.

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6 minutes ago, MikeO said:

It's a better solution for him and Beşiktaş as they know the position and have us over a barrel when it comes to any money changing hands, I'd call their bluff and say no he signed the contract so he's going nowhere. Play hardball and see how much they want him/he wants them, if we give in we're having our pants pulled down.

Your right it is a great position for him and Besiktas and a poor one for us, when you sign below average players and stick them on long lucrative contracts you lose the upper hand when you want to get shot of them. 

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18 minutes ago, badaids said:

Let’s offer him a pound for ‘every hair on his head’ to fuck off. Can’t wait to see the look on his face when he gets 17 quid!

😂. 3 quid more than Mike and me 😂

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Bit of a cheek wanting salary paid in full for next 12month, get released and being able to signing up for wages from his next employer. 

Some people have no shame.

If we are paying his wages, he can still come in and train in a corner on his own or stay at home on the xbox if he prefers. 

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