Blue Bill's shiny new stadium at the docks...

[rubecula]

Well we shall see. (Incidentally the Stonebridge site is where I used to live so I assume the place has been demolished .......)

[MikeO]

Well we shall see. (Incidentally the Stonebridge site is where I used to live so I assume the place has been demolished .......)

 

What've they done with your Blue Plaque if that's the case Rubes ?

[rubecula]

Probably eaten it Mike

 

It is right opposite the old John Napier/English Electric works (A place I said could be used about ten years ago)

Edited May 16, 2016 by Rubecula

[StevO]

Pad, quote doesn't work on my phone, but go to any other ground that is city based and access is always poor. I can get to and from Goodison a lot easier than City fans can get too and from the Etihad unless they get the tram, which we won't have the benefit of in our city.

 

Water front would be great, would have the train lines but not great access either.

[Guest John Burns]

The Stonebridge site is the water treatment site that borders the A 5080, Stonebridge Lane and Lower Lane. The Aintree hospital is yards from the site. The site was offered to Everton by the Council about ten years ago, maybe more.

Transport appears a problem as was the case for Kirkby which was a major factor in rejection of the stadium. The site is on a junction of the M57, and the A580 trunk A road (the UKs first 'motorway' the Liverpool East Lanacashire Road) which a good thing. The nearest Merseyrail station is at Fazakerley, 1km away from the nearest point of the site down Lower Lane on the A560. This is on the Kirby Line and is two track unlike the Kirby station which was single track and single platform. Merseyrail could only give to Everton on match days a very poor six 6 cars trains per hour at Kirkby. Each train holds over 900 with a crush. So dispersal of fans via rail was poor at Kirby taking about 4,000-5,000 per hour. A point criticised was that the Kirby Line does not serve the Wirral directly, of which EFC have a large fanbase.

Fazakerley is in a cutting so it would be very expensive to expand the station to have more platforms. But the two tracks means it can take more trains per hour. The Merseyrail line terminates at Kirkby. A diesel train from Kirkby runs to Manchester via Wigan. There is a proposal to electrify, double track and extend the line from Kirkby to Sklemersdale, and also to terminate the Merseyrail line at Wigan. Manchester has proposed to run their Metrolink trams to the same Wigan station. So direct to Liverpool's centre, Skem and Wigan and a change at Wigan and into Manchester, which is a good thing to disperse fans and gain more support fropm these places. But Fazakerley is restricted to a two platform station is a great constraint.

If the Outer Loop line is recommissioned a station could be built 1.5km down the A580 at the bridge at Walton Hall Ave. Again a good thing as it is a different line and can run directly to South Parkway station (excellent for visiting fans). The two stations would give a decent dispersal rate of fans - but neither are actually on the doorstep of the stadium site and to get a station near to the site would be expensive

Road dispersal is good with three large dual carriageways of: Walton Hall Ave, Townsend Ave and Utting Ave. The A560 is also near, as is the M57 on the stadium's doorstep.

All this looks sort of good on the transport front, but only if money is spent by the Dept For Transport on rail. Otherwise it may go the same way as Kirkby.

The site.
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Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Makis]

Stonebridge Cross looks a shite location. My bet is city is offering it because they already spent 1.5 million on developing the site because they thought Amazon was going to build a warehouse there. When that didn't happen they were left with a tract of land no-one wants.

[Guest John Burns]

The North End site is not that clear. If it is directly on the docks there are problems as these are a World Heritage Site. Lengthy delays in inquiries, objections, etc. The city would be in danger of losing its World Heritage status if it built a stadium directly on the docks. There are ramshackle businesses just off the Dock Road to the east, these are favourite to be cleared and relocated to new business parks on the outers of the city. Sandhills station is near and also a new station could be built on the Northern Line. The stadium cannot be too close to the city centre as the Business Quarter needs to extend north

 

Putting the stadium too near the city centre is not a good thing. The wider social acceptability of regular crowds of thousands of men marching around, foul mouthed, occasionally hurling abuse with sporadic outbreaks of violence will not be accepted. It would be detrimental to the future expansion of the city centre, by lowering its quality and image. A positive image is something the city needs in train loads. The city of Liverpool wants to shed this mainly football image it has and create a more wider and diverse sophisticated image.

 

Anywhere close to, or in, the city centre is going to have a great impact on the surrounding districts. On match days the area will be given over to football fans. They will clog the already busting at the seams transport infrastructure and pubs and bars. The problem is all day. That is not the way to run an effective working, shopping and leisure focused city centre.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Matt]

The North End site is not that clear. If it is directly on the docks there are problems as these are a World Heritage Site. Lengthy delays in inquiries, objections, etc. The city would be in danger of losing its World Heritage status if it built a stadium directly on the docks. There are ramshackle businesses just off the Dock Road to the east, these are favourite to be cleared and relocated to new business parks on the outers of the city. Sandhills station is near and also a new station could be built on the Northern Line. The stadium cannot be too close to the city centre as the Business Quarter needs to extend north

 

Putting the stadium too near the city centre is not a good thing. The wider social acceptability of regular crowds of thousands of men marching around, foul mouthed, occasionally hurling abuse with sporadic outbreaks of violence will not be accepted. It would be detrimental to the future expansion of the city centre, by lowering it quality and image. A positive image is something the city needs in train loads. The city of Liverpool wants to shed this mainly football image it has and create a more wider and diverse sophisticated image.

 

Anywhere close to, or in, the city centre is going to have a great impact on the surrounding districts. On match days the area will be given over to football fans. They will clog the already busting at the seams transport infrastructure. The problem is all day. That is not the way to run an effective working, shopping and leisure focused city centre.

They got the go ahead for the Echo arena (looks awful in my opinion) and that ridiculous multi-story car park. If the design was original / special etc, would it still be an issue?

[Guest John Burns]

They got the go ahead for the Echo arena (looks awful in my opinion) and that ridiculous multi-story car park. If the design was original / special etc, would it still be an issue?

I agree that the Arena is awful and that appalling exhibition shed next to it is a disgrace. What a waste of a superb site that could have made the city. UNESCO were seriously looking into stripping Liverpool of its World Heritage Site status if Peel's cheap and nasty Liverpool Waters plan went ahead. It was awful and had no respect for the history of the maritime site.

 

If Everton get a stadium right in the docks forget about any vision of Liverpool Waters being a beacon for the future. Like the South Docks with the Arena and the Exhibition Centre, it will be killed stone dead. The Liverpool Waters site is ideal for a dramatic world renowned opera house. Not a large concrete and steel football stadium used about 25-30 days per year.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[johnh]

Pleased that Walton Hall Park will remain as a park. Spent half my life playing in there when I was growing up in the 1940's.

[Makis]

 

Putting the stadium too near the city centre is not a good thing. The wider social acceptability of regular crowds of thousands of men marching around, foul mouthed, occasionally hurling abuse with sporadic outbreaks of violence will not be accepted. It would be detrimental to the future expansion of the city centre, by lowering its quality and image. A positive image is something the city needs in train loads. The city of Liverpool wants to shed this mainly football image it has and create a more wider and diverse sophisticated image.

Oh, you want the rail thing so bad you rather Everton relocate to some shitty location so that the rail network is a must than have Everton relocate to a prime location?

[Guest John Burns]

Oh, you want the rail thing so bad you rather Everton relocate to some shitty location so that the rail network is a must than have Everton relocate to a prime location?

You do not appear to be very bright. Sad but true. Poor transport provision scuppered Kirkby, I mentioned that. Liverpool has a mass-transit network, did you know? Anyone with a small amount of common sense would say use that for large nuisance crowds, of which stadia produces. Take the lines to the stadium or take the stadium to the lines. The site is only bordered on one side by residential property and only their gardens. A shelter belt of trees can be planted in front of the houses. The Stonebridge site is not 'shitty' at all, it is good. Not the best but good. It can get better for transport provision drawing in more fans from the east of the city, as I explained. I explained the positive points. All obvious. Please try.

 

A 'prime location' is one with:

• direct motorway access - Stonebridge has it.
• Lots of dual carriageways trunks roads - Stonebridge has it.
• Surrounded by mainly non-residential property - Stonebridge has it.
• Has excellent mass-transit access - Stonebridge is not bad, but can be far, far better with investment. Investment that benefits the city as whole as well.

Stonebridge is a Prime Site.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Lowensda]

No one actually likes Opera. We'll suggest the new Stadia is called the "Theatre of Merseyside". Caters for all then.

[Matt]

You do not appear to be very bright. Sad but true. Poor transport provision scuppered Kirkby, I mentioned that. Liverpool has a mass-transit network, did you know? Anyone with a small amount of common sense would say use that for large nuisance crowds, of which stadia produces. Take the lines to the stadium or take the stadium to the lines. The site is only bordered on one side by residential property and only their gardens. A shelter belt of trees can be planted in front of the houses. The Stonebridge site is not 'shitty' at all, it is good. Not the best but good. It can get better for transport provision drawing in more fans from the east of the city, as I explained. I explained the positive points. All obvious. Please try.

It's usually a few more posts before you start insulting peoples intelligence. You've been warned about it before, so please cut it out.

[Makis]

Where do you build a stadium if you don't want any residential areas anywhere near it, but still has good rail links?

[Guest John Burns]

No one actually likes Opera.

I do and I know many who do as well. An opera singer sang at Leicester in front of Everton fans last week. Did you notice? I know many opera fans who do not like football as well. Maybe the football stadia should be demolished and taken out of town and only opera is catered for in the city just for them. That would be narrow minded bigotry of course.

[Guest John Burns]

Where do you build a stadium if you don't want any residential areas anywhere near it, but still has good rail links?

An extension to Finch Farm, which was an option. A Merseyrail line can be branched off at Halewood station and run past the site, past Hale Village and into the airport - killing many birds with one stone. The London line runs past the site. It is 4 track (2 fast, 2 slow) so a station can be built at the site. Nearby there is a the M57, the road Widnes, the dual carriageways to Liverpool, etc.

 

But Fat Joe wants the rates from the stadium to go into his coffers, so will object and object because the stadium would be outside the city. But Liverpool Council own the land of Finch Farm.

BTW, EFC are building a new 5,000 seater youth stadium at Finch Farm.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Guest John Burns]

It's usually a few more posts before you start insulting peoples intelligence. You've been warned about it before, so please cut it out.

It was not an insult. It was an observation. When I do insult it can be in spadefuls and there no ambiguity. But I never. Read back he started it? Not me. He was insulting my intelligence.

[Matt]

It was not an insult. It was an observation. When I do insult it can be in spadefuls and there no ambiguity. But I never. Read back he started it? Not me. He was insulting my intelligence.

He challenged your statement with an observation, you respond by commenting on his intelligence. It's not acceptable. You've been told before, this is your final warning.

[Paddock]

An extension to Finch Farm, which was an option. A Merseyrail line can be branched off at Halewood station and run past the site, past Hale Village and into the airport - killing many birds with one stone. The London line runs past the site. It is 4 track (2 fast, 2 slow) so a station can be built at the site. Nearby there is a the M57, the road Widnes, the dual carriageways to Liverpool, etc.

 

But Fat Joe wants the rates from the stadium to go into his coffers, so will object and object because the stadium would be outside the city. But Liverpool Council own the land of Finch Farm.

BTW, EFC are building a new 5,000 seater youth stadium at Finch Farm.

Halwood???

 

Get to fuck, it's miles out the zone, we may as well move to Widnes, Cronto, Prescot or Whiston as move to Halewood.

 

You're absolutely delusional mate.

[Makis]

Jesus you must hate Everton. In the middle of nowhere with no pubs or anything. It would definitely kill something - the club.

[Paddock]

Jesus you must hate Everton. In the middle of nowhere with no pubs or anything. It would definitely kill something - the club.

He's round the bend if he thinks for a single second we should move to the middle of nowhere just for a traintrack.

 

I think he's invested heavily in rail myself

[Guest John Burns]

Finch Farm was seriously considered. It has excellent road connections and rail tracks nearby to get most fans in and out quickly. Lots of space for car parks. The airport is nearby. The stadium complex would cater for all refreshments. If you want to drink elsewhere, you can get on a fast train to wherever you like. It is not a nuisance to local residents. The site ticks all boxes.

Everton ARE to build a stadium at Finch Farm. Yes, they are building a stadium there. And if the city of Liverpool incorporated Knowsley into the city as the boundaries commission suggested about 10-15 years ago, the site would be inside the city limits. It is just a matter of time before Knowsley is inside Liverpool.

 

Finch Farm is my favourite site, EFC would have all facilities in one location, training, academy, youth, admin, youth stadium, main stadium, conference facilities, a small 4 star hotel for internal use, etc. Alas, being Liverpool common sense goes out of the window I doubt it will happen.

 

Ajax fans complained about going to the 'remote' Amsterdam Arena, but now they love it.

 

BTW, George Harrison, as Liverpool as you get and known world-wide as a Liverpudlian, was brought up about 1km as the crow flies from Finch Farm - in Liverpool.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Makis]

Kirkby was even more seriously considered, so what's your point?

 

And the site only ticks a trainspotter's list.

[Guest John Burns]

Halwood???

 

Get to fuck, it's miles out the zone,

What zone are you on about?

Kirkby was even more seriously considered, so what's your point?

 

And the site only ticks a trainspotter's list.

 

You really don't get it. At least try and understand what makes a large stadium successful in all ways. Try.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Guest John Burns]

And the site only ticks a trainspotter's list.

Maybe you want to walk to the ground and think everyone else should as well. Very eco for sure. Then EFC would be playing in front of 5,000 and semi-pro.

 

I would like EFC in a 70,000 stadium that I can access very quickly in comfort from any part of the Liverpool City Region via a very fast train right to the door of the stadium. A stadium with excellent road access if I want to go by road and one that does not hinder local residents - because I would hate to live next to such a place. Also one with top refreshment facilities in the stadium and also in the complex. All that is easily achievable for EFC - and LFC for that matter.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Guest John Burns]

If a two tier Park End was rebuilt 15 yards closer to the park it would be possible ......

 

Oh No!!! Not this tart up GP again. The club wrote off GP NINETEEN years ago. They have never considered retaining it since. EFC was the first major club to announce a move of home. The club has not considered staying since. In 1997 EFC announced in an Echo double colour page spread a picture of the stadium to be built at the golf course just north of Aintree race course. It was just outside the city limits but the golf course was owned by the city. The council scuppered it.

 

It is not even worth thinking of staying at GP, as it has been off the menu for nineteen years.

[johnh]

Can't really contribute to this discussion. I remember when the trams stopped at Gilmoss and you were out in the country. Then they extended the tram line to Kirby and that WAS out in the country. Woodland, farmland, ponds, we used to spend hours out there, just a couple of pence on the tram. Not a house or factory in sight, just the odd farm building.

[Makis]

Where are the best transport links in pretty much every city? In downtown. How many stations are there in Liverpool city centre? Why is that worse than one station somewhere in the countryside where no-one can go except by public transport? You can't even build large parking lots near the stadium any more, so you can't go by car. In the city centre there are parking places. And people can walk and cycle. And come by train from every direction. Well, except for west but they can use ferries. Easily the best transport links in Liverpool. Ticks far more boxes than bloody Halewood.

[Lowensda]

 

Includes a Railway station John.

 

(These are old plans)

Edited May 17, 2016 by Lowensda

[Guest John Burns]

Where are the best transport links in pretty much every city? In downtown.

Liverpool has them elsewhere as well like at Finch Farm (read what I wrote) but alas it is not going t happen.

 

The Echo has the Stonebridge site opposite the water treatment plant on the A580 - the council did offer the water treatments site site at one time. This site is far smaller and would not be ideal for a large stadium that is also to host the Commonwealth games.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/could-new-everton-stadium-help-11344102

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Guest John Burns]

 

Includes a Railway station John.

 

(These are old plans)

Very pretty, even in colour. It does indeed have a choo-choo station. They are ancient, and never considered. A mock up by some students or whatever. I hope it never happens. The city would be shooting itself in the foot approving this site. UNESCO would strip the city of its World Heritage status building here. It would kill what could a superb vibrant artistic area.

 

Peel own the land and want top rents and land values to be as high as possible. A large soul destroying stadium will drop rents and land values. Nothing is going for it.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[Matt]

Very pretty, even in colour. It does indeed have a choo-choo station. They are ancient, and never considered. A mock up by some students or whatever. I hope it never happens. The city would be shooting itself in the foot approving this site. UNESCO would strip the city of its World Heritage status building here. It would kill what could a superb vibrant artistic area.

 

Peel own the land and want top rents and land values to be as high as possible. A large soul destroying stadium will drop rents and land values. Nothing is going for it.

i think it would all depend on the design, personally. If you could incorporate the docks and river into the design it could add to the view rather than detract. Something like Chelsea were rumoured to be doing with Battersea Power Station would be awesome

[Guest John Burns]

i think it would all depend on the design, personally. If you could incorporate the docks and river into the design it could add to the view rather than detract. Something like Chelsea were rumoured to be doing with Battersea Power Station would be awesome

The site has to conform to the contract of giving the city World Heritage status. It has to conform to the history of the site. There has been no history of football there. So that is out.

 

Finch Farm is the ideal site with no problems in planning , objections, etc, and ticks all boxes. With a multi-platform high throughput station most could get there by fast choo-choo. All is there, all is in place. EFC are then all in one complex. It could be a sports complex eventually serving many sports.

 

But Joe wants EFC as the enabler for a Commonwealth games stadium, so it has to be in Liverpool. The water treatment site is OK, but the one to the south of the A580, which the Echo is mentioning is poor.

[Matt]

The site has to conform to the contract of giving the city World Heritage status. It has to conform to the history of the site. There has been no history of football there. So that is out.

 

what's the history behind the shoe like Arena and the hideous multi-storey car park? By your logic our status should already be gone, right?

 

My point was, provided the stadium incorporated the docks and general maritime history into the design, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

As for FF - it's already confirmed as a no go so there's no point in discussing it further.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-3594955/New-Everton-stadium-hold-key-2026-Commonwealth-Games-bid-says-Liverpool-mayor-Joe-Anderson.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

 

 

[Guest John Burns]

what's the history behind the shoe like Arena and the hideous multi-storey car park? By your logic our status should already be gone, right?

 

My point was, provided the stadium incorporated the docks and general maritime history into the design, this wouldn't be an issue.

 

As for FF - it's already confirmed as a no go so there's no point in discussing it further.

The Arena was not on a World Heritage Site, just outside. UNESCO did not like the idea of the Arena. Not long ago they reassessed Liverpool's status as a WHS, based on the plans of Liverpool Waters which gave scant regard to the history of the site. If they go ahead with a similar idea they will pull the plug. The contract with UNESCO is that the city must continue the historical theme of the site. Liverpool got the status and then ignored the contract, and just started to build tat - large sheds, multi-floor and surface car parks on what was once historic water space. This may be interesting for you:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/UNESCO-Violations.html

 

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/everton-have-money-new-stadium-11347078

 

 

[Wall Writer]

I hope that doesn't mean a stadium with an athletics track around the pitch, that would be awful. Much better atmosphere when fans are closer to the pitch.

[Matt]

The Arena was not on a World Heritage Site, just outside. UNESCO did not like the idea of the Arena. Not long ago they reassessed Liverpool's status as a WHS, based on the plans of Liverpool Waters which gave scant regard to the history of the site. If they go ahead with a similar idea they will pull the plug. The contract with UNESCO is that the city must continue the historical theme of the site. Liverpool got the status and then ignored the contract, and just stared to build tat - large sheds, multi-floor and surface car parks on what was once historic water space. This may be interesting for you:

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/watercity/UNESCO-Violations.html

 

didn't realise, thanks for that. Don't understand how the arena is out of the site when it's slap bang on the waterfront next to the docks though! Edited May 17, 2016 by Matt

[Guest John Burns]

The Albert, Duke and Salthouse docks were on the WHS but the rest outside. Sandon Dock was in the buffer zone but they filled it in and built a sewage plant which could have gone on the land side. UNESCO were not amused an started to scrutinize Liverpool's status. To UNESCO it looked like WHS status was an advertising ploy for the city and no more. They were right. The city has to buy into the contract, not ignore it.

 

There are few decent sites in and around the city for a stadium. Finch Farm (my fav), Edge Lane, WHP even the Walton Hospital site. The council did offer Garston Docks at one point, but the site has been built on. The council offered LFC Long Lane and near, or on, the Broad Green Hospital site. The council over 20 years have been pissed off with EFC - the time Kenright was on the board or in charge.

Edited May 17, 2016 by John Burns

[smeghead1]

Can't see any reason we shouldn't be given the land where the shite were gonna build there's on!

[Guest John Burns]

Can't see any reason we shouldn't be given the land where the shite were gonna build there's on!

The Broad Green site now has new buildings on it. So that is now not on option. The hospital was to be decommissioned. A great stadium site. On Queens Drive at the end of the M62. The Broadgreen rail station nearby could have been made into a multi-platform station - it could have been moved to the green field just to the east of the current station. The outer Loop trackbed skirts the site and when commissioned gives the site superb transport access in road and rail. EFC should have gone for this site when it was available.

[Louis]

we may as well move to Widnes, Cronto, Prescot or Whiston as move to Halewood.

Build it in Birkenhead, I could save on tunnel fares then.

[Makis]

Liverpool has them elsewhere as well like at Finch Farm (read what I wrote) but alas it is not going t happen.

 

The Echo has the Stonebridge site opposite the water treatment plant on the A580 - the council did offer the water treatments site site at one time. This site is far smaller and would not be ideal for a large stadium that is also to host the Commonwealth games.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/could-new-everton-stadium-help-11344102

Ok, what logic says that one station is just as good as all the stations in downtown? People could only come from two directions and the majority would arrive from west (when the line roughly runs west-east) fto Finch Farm. In the centre you can take pretty much any train from any connecting place and you end up there. Plus it has the railway station for longer distance travellers. And lots more bus routes. And lots more parking.

[Romey 1878]

I hope that doesn't mean a stadium with an athletics track around the pitch, that would be awful. Much better atmosphere when fans are closer to the pitch.

That would be horrendous.

[markjazzbassist]

That would be horrendous.

 

it would be good for the lap of honour though, think of the players mark!

[Romey 1878]

it would be good for the lap of honour though, think of the players mark!

You're channelling the spirit of Martinez with that!

[MikeO]

That would be horrendous.

 

Won't happen, no chance.

[Romey 1878]

Won't happen, no chance.

I really hope you're right.

[Newty82]

I must admit that a few months ago I was looking at a over head view of Finch Farm, seen all the land around, and wondered why we don't build our stadium there? Having everything in one place would be pretty good. But I don't know anything about the area, so.....

 

I'd love a waterfront stadium. I think that would be great.

 

A question to John Burns...is the WHS contract worth a lot to the city? What's the advantage of this? From a financial point of view, would the political side of the city see having a nice big stadium more advantageous than WHS???

 

Also, from reading the articles posted, I get a feeling the Mayor is suddenly more keen to help out now that he knows we have the money. It feels like the power has shifted in this position from us being like begging puppies to them being begging puppies.

 

Quite interesting. Let's not waste anymore money on proposals...let's just buy the land we want, where we want and build a world class stadium.

[markjazzbassist]

I must admit that a few months ago I was looking at a over head view of Finch Farm, seen all the land around, and wondered why we don't build our stadium there? Having everything in one place would be pretty good. But I don't know anything about the area, so.....

 

I'd love a waterfront stadium. I think that would be great.

 

A question to John Burns...is the WHS contract worth a lot to the city? What's the advantage of this? From a financial point of view, would the political side of the city see having a nice big stadium more advantageous than WHS???

 

Also, from reading the articles posted, I get a feeling the Mayor is suddenly more keen to help out now that he knows we have the money. It feels like the power has shifted in this position from us being like begging puppies to them being begging puppies.

 

Quite interesting. Let's not waste anymore money on proposals...let's just buy the land we want, where we want and build a world class stadium.

 

he's a politician the instant he hears of a way to get more tax revenue he's foaming at the mouth. i agree with john burns that he's probably pushing hard to get it within the city limits so they can take the taxes off everything on it. don't blame the guy.

 

also it's exciting because of all the "proposals" and vaporware we've seen, there is more emphasis on a real stadium being built now and we haven't even seen or heard anything from the club. i think moshiri likes to work in the background, which is very clever. only make an announcement when it's done, like the ownership shares. i think it will be the same with the manager.

[Paddock]

I must admit that a few months ago I was looking at a over head view of Finch Farm, seen all the land around, and wondered why we don't build our stadium there? Having everything in one place would be pretty good. But I don't know anything about the area, so.....

 

I'd love a waterfront stadium. I think that would be great.

 

A question to John Burns...is the WHS contract worth a lot to the city? What's the advantage of this? From a financial point of view, would the political side of the city see having a nice big stadium more advantageous than WHS???

 

Also, from reading the articles posted, I get a feeling the Mayor is suddenly more keen to help out now that he knows we have the money. It feels like the power has shifted in this position from us being like begging puppies to them being begging puppies.

 

Quite interesting. Let's not waste anymore money on proposals...let's just buy the land we want, where we want and build a world class stadium.

There's nothing there absolutely nothing. I've no idea what he is chatting with rail networks around there, it's in the sticks it's outside the city boundary and it's a shite place to build a stadium.

[Makis]

Yep, a really poor place. What non-matchday revenue could the club make with a stadium in that location? Pretty much nothing.

[Guest John Burns]

I must admit that a few months ago I was looking at a over head view of Finch Farm, seen all the land around, and wondered why we don't build our stadium there? Having everything in one place would be pretty good. But I don't know anything about the area, so.....

 

A question to John Burns...is the WHS contract worth a lot to the city? What's the advantage of this? From a financial point of view, would the political side of the city see having a nice big stadium more advantageous than WHS???

World Heritage Status status gives great kudos to the city. The city is not like Manchester, Leeds or Sheffield. Large parts of the city centre and the old docks are are World Heritage zones or buffer zones. UNESCO did not like the idea of building a sewage plant on Wellington Dock which was in the buffer zone. UNESCO then looked at Liverpool Waters' plans and were seriously considering the WHS status of the city. The city approached UNESCO not the other way around. Then UNESCO saw the city do sweet nothing to enhance their history and heritage and doing quite the opposite. So why did the city apply for it? If the city loses its status it will be a world-wide laughing stock. Many outside the city detest Liverpool for inexplicable reasons - the Tory party for one, they omitted Liverpool from HS2 (the only major English city omitted yet the line will be only 20 miles away), and will not finish off the one third of Merseyrail abandoned after work started, after 40 years of waiting. I can see the papers now mocking Liverpool - 'philistines', 'beer and football Chavs', 'uncultured, uneducated Scousers', etc.

Yes, Finch Farm, near the airport and Jaguar factory, was considered. Unfortunately it appears off the list now. Those who say it is in the middle of nowhere probably live in Crosby or somewhere like that. Those in the south or east of the city do not think Halewood is remote at all. The club moved its offices and training facilities just over the city's boundary. Everton ARE to build a stadium at Finch Farm, a 5,000 seater youth stadium. And if the city of Liverpool incorporated Knowsley into the city as the boundaries commission suggested about 10-15 years ago, the site would be inside the city limits. It is just a matter of time before Knowsley IS inside Liverpool. Liverpool rejected Knowsley at the time as the admin could not cope with the new work load.

• When Everton first played on Stanley Park is was outside of the city boundary.
• When Everton first played at Priory Road is was outside of the city boundary.
• When Everton first played at Anfield is was outside of the city boundary.
• When Everton first played at Goodison Park is was outside of the city boundary.
• When Everton's Youth first play at their new stadium it will be outside of the city boundary.

I don't see what the fuss is all about.

Finch Farm is well served by essential transport:

• It is on the M57 junction of the Liverpool-Widnes Rd.
• It is at the junction of the A561 and A562.
• The new to be completed Mersey crossing road bridge at Runcorn will add to Finch Farm's road access.
• Plenty of space for large car parks.
• The airport is nearby.
• Trunk roads into Liverpool: Aigburth Rd, Menlove Ave, Mather Ave, Brodie Ave.
• The Liverpool-London line borders the Finch Farm site to the south.
• The Liverpool-Manchester line is just to the north.
• The Liverpool-Manchester line can be branched and run into the site and continue onto the airport - all on Merseyrail.
• The Liverpool-Manchester line branch can be branched into the Liverpool-London line and run onwards to Runcorn, all on Merseyrail.
• Mainline Liverpool South Parkway station would be a few stops away on Merseyrail.
• The site can be accessed from all the Liverpool City Region by fast rail.
• There has been proposals to build a road/rail tressel bridge from Garston/Speke to Ellesmere Port, so great future potential for transport.

1,100 houses are being built to the north west of Finch Farm but these will not be in the way.

Edited May 18, 2016 by John Burns

[Guest John Burns]

Councillor Richard Kemp on Twitter said:
"There would be huge external infrastructure costs to develop on North Docks. Stonebridge X has been best bet for years."

This is view from the council with a view to getting the Commonwealth Games. From EFC's view Finch Farm is the best. EFC must go for what is best for the club.

Approached by the ECHO Peel director Lindsey Ashworth would not comment on negotiations with Everton/Council: “There is nothing to say, there has been a lot of speculation. I’m not in a position to say anything at the moment.”

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/docklands-site-owners-not-yet-11347728

 

Stonebridge (the Amazon site) is poor for the essential mass-transit rail access, so Kemp is prattling tripe.

 

Next season half of the PL stadia has been built after 1995. In the leagues below there is also a lot of new stadia.

Edited May 18, 2016 by John Burns

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

What would Everton want from a new stadium?

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/what-would-everton-want-new-11349815#ICID=ios_EchoNewsApp_AppShare_Click_Other

 

 

[Makis]

Key thing for the new stadium is non-matchday revenue. And I can't see how the club could compete with the Echo arena, Anfield and other locations if the stadium is located far from the city centre. Transport links are pretty irrelevant. Building it in Croxteth or Halewood would mean the club could either just price itself much cheaper or pick up the scraps left by other places. What else could make a neutral customer pick Everton's stadium in Croxteth ahead of Anfield when he's arranging something for his business partners? Or a concert organizer, why would he pick the new Everton stadium ahead of the Echo arena?

[Lowensda]

I'd love to know (as we will never) how much money they've spent on Architectural designs, research, development and marketing for all these 'stadium plans'.

[Hafnia]

I'd love to know (as we will never) how much money they've spent on Architectural designs, research, development and marketing for all these 'stadium plans'.

It will all be in the other operating costs...