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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I assume because he got really attached to the club as well as the project, and now he’s been dropped. I don’t blame him at all. 
although it’s not Everton that made the decision, still think we should’ve done something 

It surprises me that you're fine with him acting like a child about it, rather than staying professional.

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Best scenario in my opinion. I’d rather a full 52k than a 3rd full stadium. 

Arghhh ......... all this talk about the stadium and all I want to really know about is the transport links and in particular the rail opportunity. 

I aspire to Everton.  

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46 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

It surprises me that you're fine with him acting like a child about it, rather than staying professional.

Where did I say I’m fine with it? I understand his disappointment, that’s about all I’ve said 

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Saying you don't blame him made it seem like you thought it was ok.

It’s disappointing to see him say those things but I completely understand his disappointment. Clearer?

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4 hours ago, Matt said:

I assume because he got really attached to the club as well as the project, and now he’s been dropped. I don’t blame him at all. 
although it’s not Everton that made the decision, still think we should’ve done something 

We don’t know if the club did or didn’t put a case forward for him to be involved with the main contractor, from what I gather he did tender to do the works but was unsuccessful. 
Like you and  many others I would like to think he was given every opportunity to be awarded the contract, but he just couldn’t get within his competitors price, I’m sure he was preferred contractor, but in business it’s the bottom line figure that wins not sentiment. 
I’ve experienced many disappointments like this, and you soon realise not to take it personally, because you just beat yourself up, my philosophy is water off a ducks back, and onto the next project. 

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11 minutes ago, Palfy said:

We don’t know if the club did or didn’t put a case forward for him to be involved with the main contractor, from what I gather he did tender to do the works but was unsuccessful. 
Like you and  many others I would like to think he was given every opportunity to be awarded the contract, but he just couldn’t get within his competitors price, I’m sure he was preferred contractor, but in business it’s the bottom line figure that wins not sentiment. 
I’ve experienced many disappointments like this, and you soon realise not to take it personally, because you just beat yourself up, my philosophy is water off a ducks back, and onto the next project. 

I’ve got a feeling that the UNESCO part of the new contractors took priority so as not to risk planning permission 

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7 minutes ago, Matt said:

I’ve got a feeling that the UNESCO part of the new contractors took priority so as not to risk planning permission 

Possibly mate sounds plausible, I hope he can get over the disappointment, it would be great to see him there for the first game, after all it’s still his vision and design. 

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30 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Possibly mate sounds plausible, I hope he can get over the disappointment, it would be great to see him there for the first game, after all it’s still his vision and design. 

This. 
Im disappointed in it because he’s been so integral. I can’t speak for everyone but it’s Dan who made me feel it will happen more than anyone else. The way he used Goodison as his inspiration felt right. I can see why he wanted to see the project through, he talked about this being a career defining project and he feels like it’s been taken away. 
I really hope he is there on the opening day. I hope he gets chance to visit the site during construction and see his vision come to life. 
My main hope is to actually see the build completed and I hope it stays to the standard Dan wanted. 

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I like that plaza area on the dock side, but I do think more on site parking is needed. 
Maybe on one of the other docks as part of future developments? Not sure. 
Still looks good though. 
 

Don’t quite see why they changed with the Leict brickwork design. Are they just painting it on now? It’s hard to tell for me. 

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I hope this email finds you and your family safe and well.
 
I am writing to provide an update on the work that has been taking place in the months since the submission of our planning application for our proposed new home at Bramley-Moore Dock.
 
Since our submission we have been in the midst of a global pandemic which has had a significant impact and placed a substantial strain on development projects globally. However, I am pleased to say that our work has continued in line with our project plan and we welcome the Government’s ‘build, build, build…’ approach to stimulate the economy on a national level. We also support and will make a significant contribution to Liverpool City Region’s ambition to ‘build back better’, by ensuring development isn’t about just bricks and mortar but about aiding the economic recovery of Liverpool through inclusive growth, jobs, local supply chain opportunities and lessening the harmful impact on the environment.
 
Perhaps now, more than ever, our proposed stadium is a fundamental part of this region’s growth plan and will be a key driver for much-needed economic development in North Liverpool and beyond.
 
I’m sure you won’t need reminding that, as well as being a hugely important scheme for the football club, this is a project that will:
  • Generate a £1billion boost to the economy 
  • Create up to 15,000 jobs
  • Attract 1.5million visitors to the city
In fact, research we are currently undertaking suggests the social and economic benefits of the scheme may actually be even greater than those outlined above – and we will provide an update on this in due course.

The project team
 
The past few months has been an important period for us. We have been responding to planning queries and have established our technical and delivery team in anticipation of planning approval.
 
Following a detailed and comprehensive tender process, we appointed Laing O’Rourke as our preferred building contractor. Through their own transparent tender process, they appointed Pattern as the project’s technical architect, working and engaging directly with Laing O’Rourke.
 
Buro Happold and Planit-IE have been retained as engineering consultants and landscape architects respectively.

It is crucial to have these organisations in place now to ensure maximum efficiency and that all elements of the project are joined up at every stage. We have every confidence in the project team assembled.
 
Representatives from across this project team have recently been on-site carrying out several further surveys on the land and existing structures as we gather the data we need ahead of a determination by the planning authorities

Planning application update and timescales
 
As you will be aware, the scale and detail of the planning application for Bramley-Moore Dock makes it one of the largest our local authority has ever received.
 
Over the past few months, Liverpool City Council’s planning department has been consulting on the applications with the Liverpool public, as well as neighbouring authorities, emergency services, heritage and environment organisations and other regional and national stakeholders.
 
As part of this process – and to address some of the feedback from consultees – we have been working with the Council and other agencies to amend some elements of the designs that were originally consulted on and submitted as part of our application.
 
These updated designs will be formally submitted to the Council in early September and some of the new visuals can be viewed below.
 
I am sure you will agree they significantly enhance a stadium concept that was already quite stunning.
 
While these updated plans will not require the submission of a full new planning application, they will require a formal public consultation on the revised elements.
 
This consultation, led by the Council, is anticipated to last 28 days and will be an opportunity for everyone to comment on these additional features.
 
Following this, and due to the size of the application, Liverpool City Council may need to convene a special planning committee meeting towards the end of the year to give their determination to our application. The detail of this determination is likely to dictate whether the application will also need to be reviewed by central Government.
 
This additional local consultation, together with some aspects of the project relating to third parties having slowed slightly due to the impact of COVID-19, means that - subject to planning approval and finalising our funding packages - it is most likely that work could commence on-site early in 2021.
 
As there are currently so many factors over which we do not have direct control, it would be unwise to commit to a specific date when our build will commence - or when we are likely to be playing in the new stadium. However, we have every confidence in our project plan and the team we have assembled to deliver it. And, as I’m sure you know, everyone at the Club is entirely committed to getting us into a new home at Bramley-Moore Dock as soon as we possibly can.

Respecting heritage
 
Respecting and enhancing heritage has always been a key principle for us in this project and our team has continued to work with heritage-related organisations over the past few months.
 
It was very pleasing to see that the Merseyside Civic Society - the city’s foremost heritage group campaigning to preserve the best of Merseyside’s existing buildings and spaces - recently supported our plans. They – along with other heritage organisations - have been keen to acknowledge the care we have taken in devising our proposals and for respecting the site’s history and heritage.
 
However, at some point in the coming weeks, you may become aware of objections to our proposed scheme being made to Liverpool City Council by Historic England and the International Council on Monuments and Sites (ICOMOS), a heritage body acting on behalf of UNESCO.

Our team has worked extensively and collaboratively with Historic England over many months - and we know they are aware of and appreciate the significant benefits the stadium will bring to both the Club and the city region. They also appreciate the changes we have made to our designs to further enhance and showcase the heritage of the site.
 
Historic England, together with ICOMOS, believe our proposals should be reviewed by the Government due to their concerns over the impact our plans to infill the dock could have on what is a UNESCO World Heritage Site and Conservation Area. Similar concerns have also been raised by the Victorian Society.
 
While we understand the position of these organisations, we also know that local politicians, the more than 60,000 people who took part in our public consultations, our business community and third sector stakeholders all have a different view and fully support our proposals. The local public has told us - in huge numbers - that they believe the public benefits of our plans far outweigh the suggested level of harm to the heritage assets.
 
That is not to say that the public do not appreciate the heritage of Liverpool’s world-class waterfront. They do. It is just that they would prefer to see our project come forward at Bramley-Moore Dock and see history and heritage showcased through a new vibrant development which respects and reflects our dockland history.
 
As you will know from our previous consultation stages, our plans mean we will be opening up a site for civic use that has been semi-derelict and inaccessible to the public for many years, while also preserving and enhancing some of Bramley-Moore Dock’s key features, such as the Grade II listed hydraulic tower.
 
We will maintain the visual interconnectivity to neighbouring docks, preserve the site’s original features as far as possible and protect the dock walls under the stadium. And so, if the Club did decide to move or relocate in the distant future, the site could be reverse engineered back into a dock.
 
While we completely respect the organisations making these objections and the reasons they are making them, we strongly believe this development represents a vital economic and social catalyst for the north of the City at a time when it has never been more needed, while, at the same time, celebrating and showcasing the heritage of the site and the surrounding area.

Indeed, our stadium project is a centrepiece in the city’s new North Shore Vision to further extend Liverpool’s world-class waterfront. This will be an example of how sensitive heritage-led regeneration can bring about transformational change and provide a much-needed boost to the economy.

Design improvements
 
Our design improvements will enhance the stadium architecturally and aesthetically - and are in line with feedback from the consultation process conducted over the past few months, including our discussions with heritage-related organisations. 
 
The most visual of the design improvements is around the West Stand (the stand facing the River Mersey).
 
As you will see from the images, we have introduced a new river-facing stepped plaza and removed the multi-storey car park, which helps with the symmetry of the stadium and brings back river views for supporters in the West Stand and from the top of the stepped plaza.
 
As well as enhancing symmetry and general aesthetics, this new stepped plaza creates a covered fan area which protects supporters and the turnstile and lounge entrances from any inclement weather.
 


As initially presented in our second Public Consultation, the West Quay will accommodate parking for some of our disabled supporters.
 
The solar panels originally proposed on the West Quay will now be relocated to the stadium roof, freeing up and decluttering the quay for non-matchday use and allowing for extra matchday parking.
 
This also improves the efficiency of this renewable energy source and provides the opportunity to increase the number of solar panels in future, if required.
 


We have simplified the brick façade and made the tribute to the Archibald Leitch lattice work more obvious on the external brickwork of the stadium.
 
We have also covered some of the most exposed areas within the stands to better protect supporters from the elements.



Finally, in line with the Council’s World Heritage Site guidance, we have slightly reduced the overall height of the stadium – without affecting capacity in any way.



We believe these enhancements create a stronger connection between the stadium and the Mersey - as well as offering the people of the city and visitors a fantastic new public space to enjoy within a World Heritage Site.



Continuing engagement
 
As mentioned earlier, the next public consultation will be led by the Council and will provide the opportunity for everyone to have their say on our updated designs (above).
 
We will also soon be contacting our Season Ticket and Hospitality Members, as well as supporters on our waiting lists, to understand which areas of the ground they would be most likely to consider purchasing tickets for, what kind of pricing they would expect, and the type of catering and entertainment that would be preferred in hospitality lounges, concourse areas and in the fan plaza.
 
This important survey will be issued in the coming weeks.
 
Of course, supporters can check our project website www.peoples-project.co.uk and visit our FAQs page for any specific questions or to submit your own question. 
 
Thank you for taking the time to read this update. I hope you found it interesting and informative. I also hope that you feel reassured that the project continues to move forward, despite the impact of these unprecedented times we have been working through.
 
While our timeline has been adjusted slightly, I am sure you can appreciate that not everything is directly under our control and the most important thing is that we continue to move forward… forward towards a new home that is not only a once-in-a-generation opportunity for Everton but also for our city, city region and the country as we hopefully begin to put this pandemic behind us in the months ahead.
 
As ever, thank you for your continued support.
 
    Colin Chong
Stadium Development Director
Everton Football Club
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Don’t like any of the changes but I guess we have to work with the various organisations to get this over the line.  Not sure Dan would be too happy either! I think the front is the worst part. It goes from grand and striking to meh (warehouse).

 

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25 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

You preferred there being a multi-storey car park blocking the view? Really?

Just going from the before images to the new images Romey (they were in my link but disappeared on pasting over). No of course I don’t want a car park blocking a view anywhere but that doesn’t seem from the drawings to have ever blocked a view? Car parks are an eyesaw where ever it is (unless underground). 
 

Edit: Apologies I must have viewed it tired last night. I got my aspects wrong (south and west) over looking the docks. Forget my above view.

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The first design the car park was blocking the view, but when they changed it to incorporate the car park into the stand I quite liked it. 
Id have rather kept it as part of the stand and make the “plaza” on the outer part of the dock which is now the car park again.  

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https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/statements/everton-fc-new-stadium/

Lets just have an empty dock doing fuck all forever then. Lets not create thousands of jobs when the economy is on it's knees. Lets not make the surrounding area hundreds of millions of pounds every year.

I get that history needs to be protected, but that place is an utter shithole and doing nothing. Having the stadium there will bring tourism to it, have people actually visit it!

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10 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

https://historicengland.org.uk/whats-new/statements/everton-fc-new-stadium/

Lets just have an empty dock doing fuck all forever then. Lets not create thousands of jobs when the economy is on it's knees. Lets not make the surrounding area hundreds of millions of pounds every year.

I get that history needs to be protected, but that place is an utter shithole and doing nothing. Having the stadium there will bring tourism to it, have people actually visit it!

I assume author has never been there based on that, and probably has a comfy living. 

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8 hours ago, StevO said:

If anyone takes a look down there and doesn’t think it needs this, and more, developments, they need their head testing. 
It’s not an architectural ruin, but don’t develop the area and before we know it, it will be. 

I went around the docks when I was in liverpool. No offence but it’s a dump and needs an injection of life. Has a beautiful character to it but this would rejuvenate that area and the potential is endless. I would say the same if Liverpool where building there also.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

If it gets called in I don't see it getting stopped by the government anyway tbh. They'll be desperate for it to happen.

yeah, Government will be desperate for big private sector scheme's to go ahead. Heritage is all well and good and important we keep one eye on it, but creating jobs to help people keep roofs over their heads and food in their mouths is going to be vitally important over the next two or three of years - A project of this nature in Liverpool will be a god send - the quicker ground is broken the better. and that's without my Everton hat on.  Furlough is still running at the moment - we haven't felt the true economic brunt of this pandemic we are in - but it's around the corner. 

 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

If it gets called in I don't see it getting stopped by the government anyway tbh. They'll be desperate for it to happen.

I thought it had been decided weeks ago it was getting called in? The letter of objection they wrote said as much. Yes it wasn’t formal but I believed all the experts said it was inevitable. 

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54 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

My point still stands; I’m not worried in the slightest. 

Your opinion is exactly as mine and is frustrating as the club have done everything they can to alleviate their concerns. It’s annoying as it will delay the project around 6 months but even reading between the lines historic England know the outcome too. I feel it’s their sense of duty to request this rather than really wanting to or with any expectation of success. My response was really aimed at the ‘new’ article posted by Duncan which in fact is about a month behind the news! 

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