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Just had a bit of a read up on this Project Big Picture - It does all sound like wolf in sheep's clothing.  I love the fact that they want to be able to vote if other clubs can be bought out by a wealthy owner.  Proper taking the piss that is.

Chelsea and then Man City bought themselves a place in the 'Top 6', and I am not sure Spurs can consider themselves as a nailed down top 6 team, they have had a few good years and have been very fortunate with the first incarnation of Garth Bale and then Harry Kane being goal machines for them (Could DCL be our very own Harry Kane!!). Top 6 is only a snapshot at anyone period of time, this would definitely be a move for those there at this moment in time to try and lock this in more permanently.  

Most clubs are never going to vote for this!!! 

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MikeO

Best thing about this (well not the best but a nice side issue) will be stuffing it down the throat of the smug Koppite idiots who post stuff like, "..they're building a new stadium you know🤣.." all o

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Best scenario in my opinion. I’d rather a full 52k than a 3rd full stadium. 

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I love it, the concept is great, its going to look amazing. For those who don't like it, I can appreciate that taste is a personal thing, and the new stadium was never going to make everyone happ

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

Just had a bit of a read up on this Project Big Picture - It does all sound like wolf in sheep's clothing.  I love the fact that they want to be able to vote if other clubs can be bought out by a wealthy owner.  Proper taking the piss that is.

Chelsea and then Man City bought themselves a place in the 'Top 6', and I am not sure Spurs can consider themselves as a nailed down top 6 team, they have had a few good years and have been very fortunate with the first incarnation of Garth Bale and then Harry Kane being goal machines for them (Could DCL be our very own Harry Kane!!). Top 6 is only a snapshot at anyone period of time, this would definitely be a move for those there at this moment in time to try and lock this in more permanently.  

Most clubs are never going to vote for this!!! 

Someone educate me, do all EFL clubs get a vote?  If they do I could see league one and two sides saying we’ll never be in the premier we need the money and vote yes.  That’s the worry.  If it’s just premier league teams I don’t think this passes.  

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Someone educate me, do all EFL clubs get a vote?  If they do I could see league one and two sides saying we’ll never be in the premier we need the money and vote yes.  That’s the worry.  If it’s just premier league teams I don’t think this passes.  

I think it just Premier league clubs  - guessing top 6 would vote 'yes' possible Everton, Southampton and West Ham as the other - but not sure.  I am not sure on how 'yo-yo' clubs would vote, if they think it's 50-50 between being in Prem or EFL.

I am guessing the big clubs getting a say on who buys into other clubs might sway a lot of votes to a 'No'

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I am guessing the big clubs getting a say on who buys into other clubs might sway a lot of votes to a 'No'

that part is ridiculous.  just call it what it is, the old boys club

 

just listened to an english journalist on espn, he had an interesting point.  he said he believes it might be an outlandish proposal to try and get the government to do something.  by making such a heinous proposal the government will be forced to get involved whereas they currently aren't.  not sure if i believe that but i'm always open to hearing others opinions.

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I understand the reasoning, but I want the government to run the country, we have the FA, the premier league and the football league to run football. Other than keeping fans out of the stadiums, why else would the government need to be involved in the sport? Unless these three groups of executives can’t find their arses with both hands. 

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I understand the reasoning, but I want the government to run the country, we have the FA, the premier league and the football league to run football. Other than keeping fans out of the stadiums, why else would the government need to be involved in the sport? Unless these three groups of executives can’t find their arses with both hands. 

The only involvement the Government should have is to let fans back into stadiums. That would put a nail in the coffin of this proposal straight away.

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Just took the survey and I’m very impressed with the ideas displayed. 
 

Love the idea of having bars and restaurants inside the stadium, it’s a shame they look like they will just be for premium seating though. If they put a couple of real pubs inside the south stand and opened a couple of hours before kick off they could pick up some of the money that currently gets spent on County Road. They could stay open a couple of hours after the match too, it would filter the traffic a bit around the ground and scoop up more money. 
I like that you might be able to upgrade to hospitality on a match by match basis too, would be good if they kept one of the lounges without members and was used only for season ticket upgrades, I think it would be full every week and have a waiting list.

Great that you can personalise your box if you get one too, great idea that!

I like that parking is being considered on a seasonal basis. 

They are really getting into the detail, and that is massively important to me. 

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Best thing about this (well not the best but a nice side issue) will be stuffing it down the throat of the smug Koppite idiots who post stuff like, "..they're building a new stadium you know🤣.." all over the internet.

We will have a superb new home and we will secure the legacy in L4 for the community. We won't trample people into the gutter and chuck them out of their homes like some have done.

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Best thing about this (well not the best but a nice side issue) will be stuffing it down the throat of the smug Koppite idiots who post stuff like, "..they're building a new stadium you know🤣.." all over the internet.

We will have a superb new home and we will secure the legacy in L4 for the community. We won't trample people into the gutter and chuck them out of their homes like some have done.

Heads are going to fall off once they realise it really is happening. They’ve been convinced it wouldn’t happen and it’ll terrify them once it becomes reality because they really are shit scared of where we could get to. 

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Everton Football Club’s planning applications for a new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and community-led legacy project at Goodison Park are set to be determined by Liverpool City Council next week.

The local authority will convene a special planning committee meeting on Tuesday 23 February to decide whether to grant approval to Everton’s plans for a new 52,888-capacity waterfront stadium and the Club’s outline application for a re-imagined Goodison Park.

A report from the planning case officer for the planning committee has been published – and this report recommends that the application be approved at the meeting.

If the Club’s proposals are approved by the City Council's planning committee, the plans will then automatically be referred to the Secretary of State for Housing Communities and Local Government. This is standard practice for a development of this size and scale.

Everton, being advised by CBRE UK Planning & Development team, has worked closely with the Liverpool Planning Authority, Historic England and other stakeholders for the past 12 months to shape the application and ensure the required detail is included to enable the proposals to be appropriately considered by the planning committee.

 

 

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Everton Football Club’s planning applications for a new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and community-led legacy project at Goodison Park are set to be determined by Liverpool City Council next week.

The local authority will convene a special planning committee meeting on Tuesday 23 February to decide whether to grant approval to Everton’s plans for a new 52,888-capacity waterfront stadium and the Club’s outline application for a re-imagined Goodison Park.

A report from the planning case officer for the planning committee has been published – and this report recommends that the application be approved at the meeting.

If the Club’s proposals are approved by the City Council's planning committee, the plans will then automatically be referred to the Secretary of State for Housing Communities and Local Government. This is standard practice for a development of this size and scale.

Everton, being advised by CBRE UK Planning & Development team, has worked closely with the Liverpool Planning Authority, Historic England and other stakeholders for the past 12 months to shape the application and ensure the required detail is included to enable the proposals to be appropriately considered by the planning committee.

Just beat me to it Dunc.

Email from Denise B-B

I am writing to provide you with an important update on our plans to deliver a new home for Everton at Bramley-Moore Dock.
 
Today (Monday, 15 February) we received confirmation that the Liverpool City Council hearing to decide on our planning application for the stadium - and our plans for a legacy project on the site of Goodison Park - will take place next week (Tuesday, 23 February).
 
The report by the City Council’s Planning Officer, which will be reviewed at the meeting next week, has also been published today.
 
I am pleased to let you know that the Planning Officer, following a very thorough review of our application, is recommending that the Committee approves our plans.
 
Our Stadium Director Colin Chong and I will be presenting the Club’s case at the meeting next week to underline how important this stadium is - not only to our football club but also to our city, our region and our country at such an unprecedented time in our history.
 
If the Planning Committee agree with the recommendations of the report at the meeting next week, then the next step will be for the application to be referred to the Secretary of State - a standard procedure for an application of such scale.
 
So, as we enter what is a crucial stage in our new stadium project, I would like to thank you for your ongoing support and patience on this journey so far.
 
As always, I will ensure that you are kept informed with all the relevant updates over the coming weeks – and I know you will be thinking of us and wishing us well at our important meeting with the Council next week.
 
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But the general feeling is that’s a formality? Especially with the meticulous detail and resubmission plus everything that’s happened over the last year I’d be shocked for it not to be given the green light. 
 

I didn't say it wasn't, Barry, I've been confident about this all along. 

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But the general feeling is that’s a formality? Especially with the meticulous detail and resubmission plus everything that’s happened over the last year I’d be shocked for it not to be given the green light. 

I don't see any way central government could go against such total local government opinion and public approval.

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'Exciting' plans for L4

Cllr Hansen wowed a lot of people with his speech in the earlier application and he is speaking well again today.

He says: "A lot of developers in the city could learn a lot from the process you have gone through."

He also praises the work that Everton in the Community do, he says the work is 'incredible and something the club is riughtly proud of.'

He says this is reflected in what the club want to do in L4 - which he says is an exciting project.

'This is a responsible organisation working in a responsible manner.'

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Great news, was expected but another major milestone reached. I am confident central government sign off is just a formality   - I am so looking forward to seeing that first spade in the ground.

Will just give everybody another lift and increase the feel good factor around the club.

A historically week indeed.

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Dear Mike,

Following my email update on our stadium project last week, I wanted to share with you the outcome from today’s meeting (Tuesday, 23 February) of Liverpool City Council’s Planning Committee.
 
I am pleased to inform you that the Committee unanimously supported the recommendation of the Planning Officer and has now approved our plans for a new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock and outline plans for a legacy project on the site of Goodison Park.
 
This is a significant step forward for our project - and news I am sure every Evertonian will welcome. It is also a huge boost to our city and city region.
 
The planning consent from the City Council means that our application will now be referred to Government - a standard procedure for an application of such scale. The Government will have an initial 21 days to review the plans and make its decision.
 
Once that process has concluded - and provided it is a positive outcome - we can press ahead with the plans we have developed over the last few years.
 
I am sure you are aware of how important a new stadium will be for us - providing the state-of-the-art facilities befitting of an ambitious Premier League club – as well as the important role it can play in boosting our local economy at a time when it’s never been more needed.
 
The project, which will be one the most significant infrastructure projects our city has seen in many years and one of the largest single site developments in the country at this time, will provide a £1.3bn boost to the local economy and deliver more than 15,000 jobs.
 
If we achieve the final planning approval we have all worked so hard for, then we be in a position to complete our funding arrangements and confirm our schedule for the build process at Bramley-Moore Dock.
 
On behalf of our Board of Directors I would like to express our gratitude to Liverpool City Council and its officers for their hard work and dedication in reviewing one of the biggest planning applications in the history of our city.
 
I also want to reiterate my appreciation to you. The ongoing positive contribution and patience displayed throughout this journey by Evertonians has been such a huge factor in the progress we have made to this point.
 
As I have made clear throughout this process, I will ensure you are fully updated at each stage of this important project for your Club and our city region.
 
With my thanks and best wishes,

Denise

     
Professor Denise Barrett-Baxendale
MBE, DL, EdD, MBA, BA (Hons), FRSA.
Chief Executive Officer
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Everton Football Club

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I felt a bit of a lump in my throat when I heard the news. Memories of Bootle docks in the 70's, the ships from all over the world, looking out at them as a kid. Who would have thought we would be where we are now? The whole history of the club is about to get a new, exciting chapter. I genuinely think the tides of fortune are changing on Merseyside and a new wind blows us on a course to better times. A great manager in place, a team coming together, transfer windows ahead and an absolutely fabulous stadium to play in. Goodison will always be remembered and treasured, but the club feels like it's being born anew. The win at Anfield feels like the chains coming off. Really, really proud and happy and expectant and connected to the club.

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After watching this I felt the stadium is the wrong way round, that goal-end facing the river would look better. Also fan dispersal will be a nightmare with a big stand all having to come right round the stadium.

Not blown away by the stadium either. Got the main thing right though, stands look intimate to the pitch which is the main thing I'd want from the new stadium.

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

After watching this I felt the stadium is the wrong way round, that goal-end facing the river would look better. Also fan dispersal will be a nightmare with a big stand all having to come right round the stadium.

Not blown away by the stadium either. Got the main thing right though, stands look intimate to the pitch which is the main thing I'd want from the new stadium.

I think its awesome mate. I just really hope they have a lighting effect to really ramp up the atmosphere. Lights go off, royal blue trim lightings light the stair cases and the top of the roofs, then the siren sounds. Would be electric

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I think its awesome mate. I just really hope they have a lighting effect to really ramp up the atmosphere. Lights go off, royal blue trim lightings light the stair cases and the top of the roofs, then the siren sounds. Would be electric

I'm really just not feeling it 😕. I was all for the lattice pattern to be incorporated but it looks up just be impeding the viewing window at 0:37. Stadium as a whole looks like a box with a shiny tin roof. For all the efforts they've put in it seems a little underwhelming. 

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16 minutes ago, pete0 said:

I'm really just not feeling it 😕. I was all for the lattice pattern to be incorporated but it looks up just be impeding the viewing window at 0:37. Stadium as a whole looks like a box with a shiny tin roof. For all the efforts they've put in it seems a little underwhelming. 

I think it’s a fantastic blend of historical brickwork that meets modern design. 

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5 hours ago, Btay said:

I think it’s a fantastic blend of historical brickwork that meets modern design. 

This. I was really not a fan initially but the more I’ve seen and more I’ve read about how we’ve tweaked things I’ve accepted it more and now quite like it. Also looks now like the roof will sit lower which makes it look much better. 
 

Pretty sure the stadium had to be rotated because of design no? I’m sure there was something that forced the rotation...

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9 hours ago, pete0 said:

After watching this I felt the stadium is the wrong way round, that goal-end facing the river would look better. Also fan dispersal will be a nightmare with a big stand all having to come right round the stadium.

Not blown away by the stadium either. Got the main thing right though, stands look intimate to the pitch which is the main thing I'd want from the new stadium.

By that logic the Principality (Millenium) Stadium would have the same problem only a whole lot worse because it butts right up to the River Taff, but it doesn't. I've sat in that stand with the place filled to capacity and getting out was easy, there will be far more space at BMD so a non-issue for me, not to mention the fact that the Principality has a 20,000 bigger capacity.

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10 hours ago, pete0 said:

After watching this I felt the stadium is the wrong way round, that goal-end facing the river would look better. Also fan dispersal will be a nightmare with a big stand all having to come right round the stadium.

Not blown away by the stadium either. Got the main thing right though, stands look intimate to the pitch which is the main thing I'd want from the new stadium.

Dan Meis mentioned the reasons for putting the stadium that way, I don’t remember exactly what he said but I’m sure there were factors like the wind, the construction plan, the preservation of the dock wall and a few other things. 
 

Personally I love it. I can’t find many things I don’t like to be honest. 
 

I would like to see a multi storey car park near by, owned by the club, with spaces sold as a season ticket add on, but the stadium itself, I love it. Some of the details are great. 
I love that you can walk all the way around inside, I have family who currently sit near me in the Bullens, but I’m in Gwladys. I can see them from my seat but I can’t go and have a chat in the concourse at half time. Little things like that can make a difference to the experience. 
 

Loving how the concourses look in the new video too. All the brick work and glass, lots of bars. Can’t wait!

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