Summer Transfer Window

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

It should be noted that this is only for the Premier League and not Europe. Obviously we would have to get into Europe first but they are two different sets of regs.

by next year those big wage earners will all disappear from the books.  bolasie sandro besic walcott pennington virginia all come off the books next summer.  just in time for europa if we have a good campaign.  

[Zoo 2.0 958]

35 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

by next year those big wage earners will all disappear from the books.  bolasie sandro besic walcott pennington virginia all come off the books next summer.  just in time for europa if we have a good campaign.  

I'd be surprised if Virginia is on anything other than a youth contract, I'd be shocked if he's on anything close to or above £25,000p/w. I'd say that Mattew Pennington is the same, probably on more because he's made first team appearances, but wouldn't have been in a position to bargain a big deal considering he didn't string a ton of games together, I'd again be surprised if he's on anything more than £40,000p/w. 

Bolasie, Besic, Sandro and Walcott will be on big deals however, all bar Besic probably into six figures a week. 

[Shukes 4,452]

I would think even less.

isn't DCL only on a 20k a week wage?

[Aidan 2,228]

11 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I would think even less.

isn't DCL only on a 20k a week wage?

Signed a new deal in March so I'd imagine 60 or 70k but thats a complete guess. 

[Palfy 3,411]

19 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I would think even less.

isn't DCL only on a 20k a week wage?

A lot more than that mate

[Shukes 4,452]

2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

A lot more than that mate

On that wage list that someone posted, it has DCL as our lowest first team player on 20k. Not sure how accurate those lists are though. 
our top earner was Bernard on 150k. I’ll see if I can find it.

[Shukes 4,452]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/every-everton-players-2019-20-21242022.amp
 

This is one of the lists, they all seem to say the same.

[barryj 1,171]

Why have we been so naive? Of course they’re not going to announce them today as we have PNE tomorrow. It’s obvious theyre waiting to announce them after another lacklustre Everton performance tomorrow to appease us fans 🤣

[Palfy 3,411]

9 minutes ago, Shukes said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/every-everton-players-2019-20-21242022.amp
 

This is one of the lists, they all seem to say the same.

That was published in January when he was on 20k a week he signed a new contract end of Feb beginning of March for a reported 100k a week. 

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

14 minutes ago, Shukes said:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/every-everton-players-2019-20-21242022.amp
 

This is one of the lists, they all seem to say the same.

Thank you for sharing that again - forgot how interesting it was. So many head scratchers. 

[Shukes 4,452]

8 minutes ago, Palfy said:

That was published in January when he was on 20k a week he signed a new contract end of Feb beginning of March for a reported 100k a week. 

Ahh didn’t realise he had signed such a bigger contract. We do seem to get these young lads tied down fast. 

[Palfy 3,411]

1 minute ago, Shukes said:

Ahh didn’t realise he had signed such a bigger contract. We do seem to get these young lads tied down fast. 

Or we know how to make youngsters multi millionaires by 22, I’m not envious of course 😀

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

I'd be surprised if Virginia is on anything other than a youth contract, I'd be shocked if he's on anything close to or above £25,000p/w. I'd say that Mattew Pennington is the same, probably on more because he's made first team appearances, but wouldn't have been in a position to bargain a big deal considering he didn't string a ton of games together, I'd again be surprised if he's on anything more than £40,000p/w. 

Bolasie, Besic, Sandro and Walcott will be on big deals however, all bar Besic probably into six figures a week. 

i concur, i was just listing all those outta contract, pretty sure we all know which ones were the high earners.  it will be another great summer to shed salary/contracts.  the year after that is another banner year.  good times are ahead!

[Bailey 4,954]

3 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

I'd be surprised if Virginia is on anything other than a youth contract, I'd be shocked if he's on anything close to or above £25,000p/w. I'd say that Mattew Pennington is the same, probably on more because he's made first team appearances, but wouldn't have been in a position to bargain a big deal considering he didn't string a ton of games together, I'd again be surprised if he's on anything more than £40,000p/w. 

Bolasie, Besic, Sandro and Walcott will be on big deals however, all bar Besic probably into six figures a week. 

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/everton-fc/payroll/

Latest figures (from the same source as Shukes but updated). 

Most arent on as much as believed to be. In fact combined and bar Walcott they will probably be as much as Rodríguez.

I'd also expect Walcott to sign an extension at some stage so I wouldnt expect to see him off the books just yet.

I'm very surprised By Pickford's wage. He would have been on buttons at Sunderland to then be paid £100k here. 

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

25 minutes ago, Bailey said:

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/everton-fc/payroll/

Latest figures (from the same source as Shukes but updated). 

Most arent on as much as believed to be. In fact combined and bar Walcott they will probably be as much as Rodríguez.

I'd also expect Walcott to sign an extension at some stage so I wouldnt expect to see him off the books just yet.

I'm very surprised By Pickford's wage. He would have been on buttons at Sunderland to then be paid £100k here. 

Steve Walsh take a bow.  

[Palfy 3,411]

3 hours ago, Bailey said:

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/everton-fc/payroll/

Latest figures (from the same source as Shukes but updated). 

Most arent on as much as believed to be. In fact combined and bar Walcott they will probably be as much as Rodríguez.

I'd also expect Walcott to sign an extension at some stage so I wouldnt expect to see him off the books just yet.

I'm very surprised By Pickford's wage. He would have been on buttons at Sunderland to then be paid £100k here. 

I think Pickford’s earnings reflect his cost so doesn’t really surprise me that much. 

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

Squad depth

 

gk - Pickford, lossl

lb - digne, nkounkou

rb - Coleman, kenny

cb - keane, branthwaite

cb - holgate, mina

dm - Allan, gbamin

cm - Gomes, doucoure, davies

lm - james, bernard, Gylfi

rm - Walcott, iwobi, Gordon

s - richarlison, DCL, kean

 

thats 24.  Loan/sell the rest.  Great depth and competition for places (except GK). 

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

Good summary Mark. Here's a similar summary taken from official website as Marcel wants 23 players - 3 gks, 8 def, 6 mid, 6 fwd. This doesn't account for Doucoure or any other transfers we'd like to see. Just analyzing where we are at the moment. 

Squad:

GK: Pickford, Lossl, JVirginia
DEF: Holgate, Keane, Mina, Branthwaite, Digne, Nkounkou, Coleman, Kenny
MID:  Allan, Gbamin, Andre, Davies, Delph, Siggy, Besic, Beni
FWD: Richarlison, DCL, Walcott, Tosun, James, Bernard, Kean, Bolasie, Gordon, Sandro

Players to sell not on official website: Pennington, Connolly

GK and DEF settled (sounds like Tomori is coming in to give Branthwaite a loan). MID settled with sales of Besic, Beni and one of Delph/Siggy (or both when Doucoure is announced). FWD settled with sales of Tosun, Bolasie, Sandro and Gordon loan. As you suggest Mark I'd like to see us have 24 with Gordon being that extra player. 

Need to sell: Connolly, Pennington, Beni, Besic, Delph/Siggy, Tosun, Bolasie, Sandro, 
Need to loan: Gibson, Branthwaite, Simms, Broadhead, Adeniran

 

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

IN: Allan, James, Doucoure
OUT: Schneiderlin, Hornby, Baines (retired), Dowell
LOAN IN: 
LOAN OUT: Markelo
YOUTH: Nkounkou
YOUTH pro deals: Markelo, Ouzounidis, Quirk, Kristensen, McAllister, Hagan, Onyango
CONTRACT EXT: Branthwaite, Keane, Gordon
OFFICIALLY RELEASED: Stekelenberg(Ajax) , Niasse, Martina, Garbutt, Feeney (Sunderland), Denny (Salford), Foulds, Adedoyin, Mampala, Phillips (Huddersfield)

[jofanon 232]

Box to box midfielder: Check
Defensive midfielder: Check
Attacking midfielder Check

That's the 3.  Balance.

[Matt 8,082]

“Why does everything take so long. Everton are muppets, always getting skinned in deals and leaving it to the last minute. Have to sell to buy. What’s Brands doing.” Yadda fucking yadda. 
 

£70m on 3 excellent signings in the areas we needed within a week and before the season starts. Pipe the fuck down, whiners. 

[Palfy 3,411]

16 minutes ago, Matt said:

“Why does everything take so long. Everton are muppets, always getting skinned in deals and leaving it to the last minute. Have to sell to buy. What’s Brands doing.” Yadda fucking yadda. 
 

£70m on 3 excellent signings in the areas we needed within a week and before the season starts. Pipe the fuck down, whiners. 

Calm down you nutter, I haven’t seen anyone whining, be happy Matt 😉😀

[Wiggytop 641]

24 minutes ago, Matt said:

£70m on 3 excellent signings in the areas we needed within a week and before the season starts.

Let’s just let that fact settle in £70m on three quality players, fantastic bits of business, so glad we didn’t chase anyone in the Jan window.

[Matt 8,082]

24 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Calm down you nutter, I haven’t seen anyone whining, be happy Matt 😉😀

You have a short and selective memory then mate 

[Palfy 3,411]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

You have a short and selective memory then mate 

Only when it suits😊but for once I can’t remember whinging as much as I did last season, over our summer transfer window, is this were you prove me wrong 😆

[Aidan 2,228]

Its nice to feel we now have more players who should get goals this season. Last season the pressure was on Dom and Richy, now we have 2 midfielders in James and Doucoure who should contribute to putting the ball in the net. 

Even if those 2 add just 10 between them, that could be the difference between Europe or not. 

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

Hell of a summer.  Well done brands carlo and credit truly needs to be given to moshiri.  Down year financially, covid, years of shit transfers and sales, and he STILL will spend close to 100m.  Like him or not he’s trying his best to put us into a winning position.

[Btay 2,013]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Hell of a summer.  Well done brands carlo and credit truly needs to be given to moshiri.  Down year financially, covid, years of shit transfers and sales, and he STILL will spend close to 100m.  Like him or not he’s trying his best to put us into a winning position.

I think we’ve just spent over £50 million personally. Makes you really wonder we were thinking with £45 million for Gylfi. 

[Makis 507]

Seem to be more like 60 than 70 million as BBC is reporting James cost 12 million.

[Btay 2,013]

39 minutes ago, Makis said:

Seem to be more like 60 than 70 million as BBC is reporting James cost 12 million.

Big thing now Is wages. Walcott, bolasie, Gylfi, Delph & Sandro would be 25million alone. Add in bernard at its probably 30+.

[Bailey 4,954]

1 hour ago, Btay said:

Big thing now Is wages. Walcott, bolasie, Gylfi, Delph & Sandro would be 25million alone. Add in bernard at its probably 30+.

With us I think this will always the biggest issue. I think it said we have the worst turnover to wages ratio in the league. 

Schneiderlin would have been on a few quid so at least that is one out the way but there is plenty of other dead wood that needs to go before we start making that ratio look a bit better!

[Romey 1878 13,593]

30 minutes ago, Bailey said:

With us I think this will always the biggest issue. I think it said we have the worst turnover to wages ratio in the league. 

Schneiderlin would have been on a few quid so at least that is one out the way but there is plenty of other dead wood that needs to go before we start making that ratio look a bit better!

Next summer is going to be a gold mine for us as so much in the way of wages will be gone. If we're spending now while we have so much shit floating around, imagine what would be possible next summer? Especially if we can manage to have a season that ends in a European place... 

[Romey 1878 13,593]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-plan-doucoure-rodriguez-18901396

Considering they said we wouldn't be making any permanent signings this transfer window you can take this with a truckload of salt  

[Hafnia 6,610]

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-plan-doucoure-rodriguez-18901396

Considering they said we wouldn't be making any permanent signings this transfer window you can take this with a truckload of salt  

I can see us getting Zaha.   The relaxation of FFP and allowing it to be spread plus the fact that players are available at reduced price means I think we will stock up. 

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Next summer is going to be a gold mine for us as so much in the way of wages will be gone. If we're spending now while we have so much shit floating around, imagine what would be possible next summer? Especially if we can manage to have a season that ends in a European place... 

Absolutely!! At worst we clear out Walcott on 100k, Sandro on 65k, and Bolasie on 75k. We could also be in a position to clear out Bernard on 120k, Gylfi on 100k, Delph on 80k and Tosun on 60k as they'll have one year left on their deals. 

[Btay 2,013]

11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I can see us getting Zaha.   The relaxation of FFP and allowing it to be spread plus the fact that players are available at reduced price means I think we will stock up. 

I’ll be devastated if we bring Zaha in for same amount or more as Allan, Doucoure & Rodriguez to be honest. 

[Btay 2,013]

10 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Absolutely!! At worst we clear out Walcott on 100k, Sandro on 65k, and Bolasie on 75k. We could also be in a position to clear out Bernard on 120k, Gylfi on 100k, Delph on 80k and Tosun on 60k as they'll have one year left on their deals. 

That there is 600k per week or 31,200,000 pounds. Absolutely insane waste of money.

[StevO 5,769]

7 hours ago, Btay said:

I’ll be devastated if we bring Zaha in for same amount or more as Allan, Doucoure & Rodriguez to be honest. 

But a transfer fee has to be relative to the situation. 
Real and Napoli didnt want to keep James and Allan, as well as contracts dwindling, so would take a cut price. 
Watford has been relegated and knew they couldn’t keep Doucoure so took a lower price. 
Palace want to keep Zaha and he’s their best player, so they will be pushing for more money. 
We got very lucky with the prices of the other three. 

[Matt 8,082]

16 minutes ago, StevO said:

But a transfer fee has to be relative to the situation. 
Real and Napoli didnt want to keep James and Allan, as well as contracts dwindling, so would take a cut price. 
Watford has been relegated and knew they couldn’t keep Doucoure so took a lower price. 
Palace want to keep Zaha and he’s their best player, so they will be pushing for more money. 
We got very lucky with the prices of the other three. 

Not lucky, well negotiated. They came for Carlo   

[Hafnia 6,610]

7 hours ago, Btay said:

I’ll be devastated if we bring Zaha in for same amount or more as Allan, Doucoure & Rodriguez to be honest. 

Fact is mate, he would be a starter.  We have players like Walcott, bolassie, Sandro, iwobi on £400k a week and none are good enough to start of play every week. Clear all of them off the books except iwobi and he's paid for 

Zaha is proven year after year. HLTCO on twitter a big palace poster absolutely loves him ... Literally could not put a price on him. 

[Matt 8,082]

1 minute ago, Hafnia said:

Fact is mate, he would be a starter.  We have players like Walcott, bolassie, Sandro, iwobi on £400k a week and none are good enough to start of play every week. Clear all of them off the books except iwobi and he's paid for 

Zaha is proven year after year. HLTCO on twitter a big palace poster absolutely loves him ... Literally could not put a price on him. 

I don’t see him as a starter now. I wouldn’t put a price on him either, player trades are the only option. If we got rid of a few players and he came in, then it’s palatable. But for this season we don’t need him, so I’d rather see him, if at all, next season. 

[Bailey 4,954]

11 minutes ago, Matt said:

I don’t see him as a starter now. I wouldn’t put a price on him either, player trades are the only option. If we got rid of a few players and he came in, then it’s palatable. But for this season we don’t need him, so I’d rather see him, if at all, next season. 

Zaha would definitely start in this side. The only winger competition would be from Richarlison. I guess it depends what happens with James and which formation we play but like Haf says he is a far better footballer than Walcott who starts most weeks.

[Wiggytop 641]

Players plus sub £20m and I’d be OK with him, we would need to see how he is when he’s not the main focus of a team, he didn’t cut the mustard when he was at MU, if it doesn’t work we would get our money back and will have removed some of the excess players

[Bailey 4,954]

I have just watched back some videos on  Zaha to see if there is anything to pick up on and I think the reason he isn't an £80mil player is because he does score enough. 

He is strong, quick, one of the best dribblers in the league (Hazard level), he can pick a pass well enough but isn't an elite level passer like KDB or Hazard are but he clearly understands the weight and timing of the pass and he can play anywhere across the front 3 attacking midfield positions. He also turns up in the big games, ripping Liverpool and City apart, leading to Klopp calling him world class and saying he needs to be double teamed. The problem is he doesn't score enough and even when he does score very few of the shots are what you would class as being elite level finishers. 

You watch Richarlison for a game and you can see he is a born finisher. His instincts are that of a striker and his finishing is more often than not as reliable as one. He isn't as good on the ball as Zaha but he is twice as clinical with it where it matters. 

Being in a better team would help Zaha in that it would take some attention off him and there generate him more space to play but I still don't think the technique or instinct is there at the moment. The challenge for him leaving Palace is going to be can he improve in that department because if he can could score and create 10+ goals a season. I could imagine a Sterling-esque transformation under the right manager albeit it will probably come a few years to late in his career.

[Cisk 141]

Anyone else have a little chuckle on looking back at the media links and thoughts to where our new signing levels were (Mings, Barkley, Fraser, Periera, Ivanovic ffs)...

[Wiggytop 641]

22 minutes ago, Cisk said:

Anyone else have a little chuckle on looking back at the media links and thoughts to where our new signing levels were (Mings, Barkley, Fraser, Periera, Ivanovic ffs)...

Absolutely, I’ve found it interesting how the meeeja still sees us in a lesser light, did they really think Carlo was here to work with that calibre of player, and I still think we will see a couple more additions before the window closes.

[Palfy 3,411]

2 hours ago, Cisk said:

Anyone else have a little chuckle on looking back at the media links and thoughts to where our new signing levels were (Mings, Barkley, Fraser, Periera, Ivanovic ffs)...

You missed Gana that would have a huge step backwards when you look at what we secured. But looking at your list I would have Barkley back in a heartbeat, he’s got massive ability and under Ancelotti he would have the right coaching and direction, which he didn’t get under Koeman. 

[barryj 1,171]

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

You missed Gana that would have a huge step backwards when you look at what we secured. But looking at your list I would have Barkley back in a heartbeat, he’s got massive ability and under Ancelotti he would have the right coaching and direction, which he didn’t get under Koeman. 

Nice try but not even one bite yet! 😉😂

[Romey 1878 13,593]

Definitely got to go out and get a CB in after Branthwaite's injury. Mina is too unreliable injury-wise.

[Palfy 3,411]

On 16/09/2020 at 00:27, barryj said:

Nice try but not even one bite yet! 😉😂

😢👍

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

Still complete crickets on sales - Connolly, Pennington, Beni, Besic, Bolasie, Sandro, Tosun and loans - Gibson, Branthwaite, Simms, Broadhead, Adeniran. 

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

it's wierd, we did our major transfers early (which is wonderful!)  so i thought the window was closed, but we still have 2+ weeks.  It ends October 5th.  Even if we blew the transfer kitty already i would still expect 1 loan for a CB with holgate and branthwaite injured and Gibson headed out on loan.  also i'm hoping to hear of some outgoings which has been really quiet.

[Palfy 3,411]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

also i'm hoping to hear of some outgoings which has been really quiet.

Because there are still a couple of weeks to go no one is desperate enough yet to take our cast offs.

[markjazzbassist 3,165]

7 hours ago, Palfy said:

Because there are still a couple of weeks to go no one is desperate enough yet to take our cast offs.

desperate being the key word there.  😭

[AlbanyNYToffee 404]

IN: Allan, James, Doucoure
OUT: Schneiderlin, Hornby, Baines (retired), Dowell
LOAN IN: 
LOAN OUT: Markelo
YOUTH: Nkounkou
YOUTH pro deals: Markelo, Ouzounidis, Quirk, Kristensen, McAllister, Hagan, Onyango, Kouyate, Whitaker, Welch
CONTRACT EXT: Branthwaite, Keane, Gordon
OFFICIALLY RELEASED: Stekelenberg(Ajax), Niasse, Martina, Garbutt, Feeney (Sunderland), Denny (Salford), Foulds, Adedoyin (Sheff Wed), Mampala, Phillips (Huddersfield)

Side bar - Sidibe is heavily linked to West Ham, can't the hammers come in for walcott as well?!

[Aidan 2,228]

Would people be opposed to bringing in Stones either on a loan or permanent transfer? 

[Matt 8,082]

24 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Would people be opposed to bringing in Stones either on a loan or permanent transfer? 

I’d be very happy. 

[Romey 1878 13,593]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

I’d be very happy. 

I'd be fine with it too. Actually had a conversation with my brother about it during the West Brom game.

[Matt 8,082]

1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'd be fine with it too. Actually had a conversation with my brother about it during the West Brom game.

I think he and Keane would be a good balance. Don’t watch England so no idea if they’ve played together before. 
 

apparently Rudiger might be leaving Chelsea, but don’t know much about him

[Aidan 2,228]

He's starting for city tonight maybe Pep wants him around.