JimmytheJimster Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 I think we'll either get a RB or a CB not both, and Holgate will be the back up to the one we don't get. It will be a make or break season for Holgate, if he fails it could and should be his last season here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 We will get a right back centre back winger and a striker plus replacements we sell. We are going down the Man City route. Once we get the quality in we will get rid of the crap and then in future windows we will buy one or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 I thought we signed some Mirallas guy as a rb? markjazzbassist, Matt and plaidharper 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Fair play to Marco that must have been a rib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elston Gunnn Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Shukes said: We need a box to box players. We don’t have one at the moment. Gana is given that role but isn’t creative enough for it. People say Gomes is one, but he isn’t, nowhere near a box to box. He prefers to sit and spray. He makes the occasional run forward, but so does Keane. Generally he likes to receive the ball from defence and link up play.... and he’s very good at it. We need an energetic box to box player that can create as well. Not saying Delph is this player, just that we need one. Interesting issues here. I think of Gomes as pretty close to box-to-box, so don’t agree he’s “nowhere near” that. Doesn’t he prefer to move forward, rather than just sit and spray? Doesn’t he get forward more than “occasionally”? Don’t we want more shotblasts from him, somewhat similar to Sigurdsson? Yes, he is very good at linking up play, his single most important, though far from his only, strength. My view of Gomes leads me to think we need a true, mostly sitting DM, to protect the CHs as Digne and Coleman rush forward. Your take on Gomes’s play seems to lead to our need for a box-to-box partner — Gana, Delph(?), McCarthy, Davies, or a new player. But it strikes me that if Gomes’s regular partner is a b-t-b player, then either (1) Gomes will have to be something more of a traditional DM, or (2) our FBs will have to get forward much less frequently. Admittedly, there may well be considerably more variation and fluidity to the positioning and play of both our nominal DMs — Gomes and ... somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: let's hope man, i would love to move him and Niasse on, and get a top rate striker with DCL the deputy. Take those two and toss in Sandro, and we have invested 55M or so in outlay and 300k-ish a week in striker wages for 5 or 6 goals per season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said: Interesting issues here. I think of Gomes as pretty close to box-to-box, so don’t agree he’s “nowhere near” that. Doesn’t he prefer to move forward, rather than just sit and spray? Doesn’t he get forward more than “occasionally”? Don’t we want more shotblasts from him, somewhat similar to Sigurdsson? Yes, he is very good at linking up play, his single most important, though far from his only, strength. My view of Gomes leads me to think we need a true, mostly sitting DM, to protect the CHs as Digne and Coleman rush forward. Your take on Gomes’s play seems to lead to our need for a box-to-box partner — Gana, Delph(?), McCarthy, Davies, or a new player. But it strikes me that if Gomes’s regular partner is a b-t-b player, then either (1) Gomes will have to be something more of a traditional DM, or (2) our FBs will have to get forward much less frequently. Admittedly, there may well be considerably more variation and fluidity to the positioning and play of both our nominal DMs — Gomes and ... somebody. Yes I see him completely different to that. I see him as a link up player rather than a box to box. I suppose it depends on your classification of a BtB as well. Mine is the typical... receive the ball, then bust a guy to get to the last third, where they then become an offensive player. I see Gomes as a player who would prefer to send a 30 yard pass to get the ball there. One interesting thing would be... how does PeteO see him? As if he is a BtB, then is he creative enough? I went there didn’t i haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Shukes said: Yes I see him completely different to that. I see him as a link up player rather than a box to box. I suppose it depends on your classification of a BtB as well. Mine is the typical... receive the ball, then bust a guy to get to the last third, where they then become an offensive player. I see Gomes as a player who would prefer to send a 30 yard pass to get the ball there. One interesting thing would be... how does PeteO see him? As if he is a BtB, then is he creative enough? I went there didn’t i haha. I don’t see him as box to box can’t believe I’m agreeing with you I might have to have a rethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/17/everton-summer-fabian-delph-andre-gomes-transfer MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Palfy said: I don’t see him as box to box can’t believe I’m agreeing with you I might have to have a rethink. Ahh I must be wrong then haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Shukes said: Yes I see him completely different to that. I see him as a link up player rather than a box to box. I suppose it depends on your classification of a BtB as well. Mine is the typical... receive the ball, then bust a guy to get to the last third, where they then become an offensive player. I see Gomes as a player who would prefer to send a 30 yard pass to get the ball there. One interesting thing would be... how does PeteO see him? As if he is a BtB, then is he creative enough? I went there didn’t i haha. The video the other week showed him to be more box to box at his old club. Linking up attacks and getting in the box. Can't think of a game he played that role for us though. He's been more the sitter, in an Arteta mould but more capable of beating his man to drive the ball forward. Gana was the box to box, he tended to be further forward smh recieved the ball more often around the edge of the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 2 hours ago, pete0 said: The video the other week showed him to be more box to box at his old club. Linking up attacks and getting in the box. Can't think of a game he played that role for us though. He's been more the sitter, in an Arteta mould but more capable of beating his man to drive the ball forward. Gana was the box to box, he tended to be further forward smh recieved the ball more often around the edge of the box. Completely agree with all of that... the reason I asked your thoughts to be honest. Yes the highlights at Barca showed him to be a more offensive player, or box to box. I wonder if it’s his preferred role here, or just situational for the team orders. Will be interesting to see him develop his position now he’s permanent. I do agree with Elston though, that we need to see him take more shots etc, and see what he has up there. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/17/everton-summer-fabian-delph-andre-gomes-transfer it seems the guardian is the only newspaper that actually thinks of us in a positive light more than a negative light. most rags are talking down to us. nice to see something different for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 IN: Lossl, Gomes, DelphOUT: Vlasic, Galloway, RobinsonLOAN IN: LOAN OUT: Kenny, Sandro, Adedoyin, Dowell, JVirginia, Garbutt, Tarashaj, BowlerYOUTH: Sebastian Kristensen YOUTH pro deals: Ryan Astley, Kyle John, Anthony Gordon, Ellis Simms, Joe Anderson, Einar Iversen, Nicolas Hansen, Kieran Phillips, Korede Adedoyin, Mackenzie Hunt CONTRACT EXT: Davies, Foulds, Ouzounidis, Baines, Mampala, Bowler OFFICIALLY RELEASED: Jags(SheffieldUtd), A Williams, Lavery(Linfield), Hewelt(Meidz Legnica), JHilton(Blackburn), Charsley, Mathis(Rodez), Kiersey(Walsall), Bramall, Renshaw Out of contract: Sambou markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Shukes said: Ahh I must be wrong then haha You must be because I’m never wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: it seems the guardian is the only newspaper that actually thinks of us in a positive light more than a negative light. most rags are talking down to us. nice to see something different for a change. Do you use 'rag' as a derogatory for newspaper on your side of the Atlantic? If not, love that you are using it here!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Do you use 'rag' as a derogatory for newspaper on your side of the Atlantic? If not, love that you are using it here!! no, just seen it used by you guys and love the connotation. Gwlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: no, just seen it used by you guys and love the connotation. Top man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghoat Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: Do you use 'rag' as a derogatory for newspaper on your side of the Atlantic? If not, love that you are using it here!! Not often, we usually go with "fish wrap" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Marco has said he wants all his business done before the end of the month ideally so he has has ten days to prepare for the first game. He also stated the only reason Zouma was brought in last minute because we had a centre half ready to sign that fell through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 I'll go with a last minute signing if it's Zouma, wishful thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Poor Marcel! He's had another strong summer so far but it's remarkable how much work is left to be done. We could still be looking at 10-12 out and 3-5 in... Out: Pennington Martina McCarthy Bolasie Niasse Besic Mirallas Lookman Onyekuru Morgan Cenk Gana In: RB cover, CB, Gana replacement, AM, ST Wtf are we doing with 3 senior gk's? Surely Stek is leaving? How hasn't that happened yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Poor Marcel! He's had another strong summer so far but it's remarkable how much work is left to be done. We could still be looking at 10-12 out and 3-5 in... Out: Pennington Martina McCarthy Bolasie Niasse Besic Mirallas Lookman Onyekuru Morgan Cenk Gana In: RB cover, CB, Gana replacement, AM, ST Wtf are we doing with 3 senior gk's? Surely Stek is leaving? How hasn't that happened yet... 3 keepers is because stek leaves next year. Lossl was available on a free and is a solid PL keeper who was available. he thought this was the better long term plan having 3 for one year and then keeping the younger backup in Lossl and we get rid of Stek. Again he was on a free, keepers that are young (for a keeper) and willing to be a backup that are PL quality and available on a free are far and few. i believe we had to pay for Stek when we got him. This is how i read the move. something to note, here is who's contract ends at the end of this year, some big names and money here if we can't sell them and have to loan them this year. Niasse, Mirallas, Baines, McCarthy, Martina, Stek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 Don’t think the keepers are the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 It’s the strikers. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Finn balor said: It’s the strikers. Don't be silly, we don't need one. DCL, Tosun and Niasse are absolutely fine. Throw Richarlison in there too and just forget how fucking awful he looked up there. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted July 20, 2019 Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Don't be silly, we don't need one. DCL, Tosun and Niasse are absolutely fine. Throw Richarlison in there too and just forget how fucking awful he looked up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted July 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2019 13 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Wtf are we doing with 3 senior gk's? Surely Stek is leaving? How hasn't that happened yet... Wasnt that Koeman plan too?! This Marco is an imposter wearing a mask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydneyneil Posted July 21, 2019 Report Share Posted July 21, 2019 I'm slightly concerned that there now seems a chance that we won't bring a striker in. It's the most important signing for me. We will never push top 6 without a recognised quality striker. Look at the teams above us and what they have up top is different gravy to us. Elsewhere, there's some sort of comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 22, 2019 Report Share Posted July 22, 2019 7 hours ago, sydneyneil said: I'm slightly concerned that there now seems a chance that we won't bring a striker in. It's the most important signing for me. We will never push top 6 without a recognised quality striker. Look at the teams above us and what they have up top is different gravy to us. Elsewhere, there's some sort of comparison. City, Liverpool and spurs yes. Arsenal yes - but I honestly think player for player behind the 2 uptop we are better - convincingly. UTD and Chelsea...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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