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11 hours ago, London Blue said:

Pre season has nothing to do with being rusty due to being out for 3 weeks.

Yes he was poor today, but he has been good in the other games he has played in. He has formed a great relationship with the rest of our midfield. I look forward to seeing him continue that.

 

He's been better than we had been used to.  But nowhere near the levels he's capable of. 

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He was our best player by a country mile Sunday. I’d even go as far as saying at times he was the best player on the pitch. Ridiculously hard to get the ball off.  Massive, Massive talent 

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

He was very poor today his touch for what ever reason deserted him, and his decision making was off. 
I do get what Haf is getting at when he said he was hiding, just maybe the terminology is misleading, there were times when he was static and showing no movement to find space to receive the ball, but in his defence he was not the only one, I mentioned during the match a few times there was a distinct lack of movement in front of the back 4 and Allan, which you could see was frustrating Keane and Allan, I can only put this down to tiredness, I believe that work rate required to chase Liverpool when they were in possession took it’s toll on some players with Gomes being one, so when we eventually won the ball back some where looking for a little breather and not always willing to move and receive the ball immediately through exhaustion of working so hard chasing the ball and players down. 
And added to that for Gomes his poor first touch and decision making it turned into a very poor game for him, I thought he should have been replaced at halftime but this is only my opinion. 

He was doing what Siggy was doing at the end of lockdown.

Its sly and deceiving, I'm not arsed about the odd misplaced pass or whatever.  Forcing the centre half to go long or wide cos it's not going well is shithouse behaviour and j thought as a team we were showing more courage. 

He gets a fair bit of leeway cos his talent demands an element of faith. But he is not brave in taking the ball.  He is at risk of losing his place. 

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4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I've no doubt you watched it.  Seeing it is another thing.

Gomes on several occasions pinned himself to a Liverpool player when we had the ball....  He wasn't wanting to get on the ball when defence were looking to get it out.

Hence Keane shouting at him.  Maybe bit was just me and Keane who seen it. 

Do you think Allan and Doucoure were hiding as well then? Because they obviously weren't making themselves available to receive the ball at these times either.

I'm not defending him, I think he had a terrible game for us. I'd just accuse him of losing the ball in dangerous areas due to some very poor passing, but I don't think he hid. If he did he wouldn't have even been able to lose the ball as often as he did.

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Do you think Allan and Doucoure were hiding as well then? Because they obviously weren't making themselves available to receive the ball at these times either.

I'm not defending him, I think he had a terrible game for us. I'd just accuse him of losing the ball in dangerous areas due to some very poor passing, but I don't think he hid. If he did he wouldn't have even been able to lose the ball as often as he did.

My concern with Gomes is that his role within the team is to take the ball from defence and use it, yeah I expect that from all the players to a degree but Allan is primarily the ball winner who keeps it simple Doucoure is box to box, Gomes main role is to dictate play, use his passing .... Which was off yesterday.

He passed those duties on and to be perfectly honest I don't know what he offers to the team when he's not doing that 

Put simply, Siggy needs a stint.  Yeah, he did a great job of hide and point a few months back but he knows he can't now.  

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51 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

My concern with Gomes is that his role within the team is to take the ball from defence and use it, yeah I expect that from all the players to a degree but Allan is primarily the ball winner who keeps it simple Doucoure is box to box, Gomes main role is to dictate play, use his passing .... Which was off yesterday.

He passed those duties on and to be perfectly honest I don't know what he offers to the team when he's not doing that 

Put simply, Siggy needs a stint.  Yeah, he did a great job of hide and point a few months back but he knows he can't now.  

Gomes played poorly yesterday, nobody disagreed with that. But your conclusions based on one poor game are questionable. 

You say he hid, did not show for the ball but as Romey said how could he be poor at passing if he hid for the ball? According to the stats he attempted 78 passes, 2 more than Doucoure and completed the same number. Not the stats of someone who went hiding are they, unless your accusing Doucoure hiding too?

You suggest playing Siggy in his place, yet Siggy has played his best for us recently in a more attacking role higher up the pitch, not taking the ball from defence. Playing players out of position was one of the many reasons we have been so poor over the last couple of years.

Gomes had 1 poor game, if he has a few more he will be dropped, that's why we have competition in the squad. Calling for it after 1 game is counter productive, it stifles confidence and creativity, players are afraid to make mistakes and take chances. This season we have seen both return so why take those two things that have been in such short supply over the years?

 

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3 hours ago, London Blue said:

Gomes played poorly yesterday, nobody disagreed with that. But your conclusions based on one poor game are questionable. 

You say he hid, did not show for the ball but as Romey said how could he be poor at passing if he hid for the ball? According to the stats he attempted 78 passes, 2 more than Doucoure and completed the same number. Not the stats of someone who went hiding are they, unless your accusing Doucoure hiding too?

You suggest playing Siggy in his place, yet Siggy has played his best for us recently in a more attacking role higher up the pitch, not taking the ball from defence. Playing players out of position was one of the many reasons we have been so poor over the last couple of years.

Gomes had 1 poor game, if he has a few more he will be dropped, that's why we have competition in the squad. Calling for it after 1 game is counter productive, it stifles confidence and creativity, players are afraid to make mistakes and take chances. This season we have seen both return so why take those two things that have been in such short supply over the years?

 

If it was one game then fair enough.... But it's not.  I'm not going on about his quality on the ball which was poor ......I said he hid and he did.

I didn't say he didn't touch the ball.  He made 27 passes....... Not sure where you got 78 from.... He made one more pass than DCL and 7 less than Doucouré.

Regardless, Ive yet to find a stats site that logs the number of times a midfielder doesn't show to receive the ball from the centre half. 

Gomes hasn't just had one bad game so stop with this nonsense.  He's had games where he is not showing anywhere near as much of himself as he should.  

What's with all the vendetta connotations.... He's got to step up. Simple as that

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4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I didn't say he didn't touch the ball.  

You said he hid from the ball, made himself unavailable as a passing option, which cant be true as he attempted 78 passes. You can pass the ball without first receiving it and as he didn't make 78 tackles in the game he must therefore of been passed the ball.

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Not sure where you got 78 from

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485226/Live/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Everton-Liverpool

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Gomes hasn't just had one bad game so stop with this nonsense.  He's had games where he is not showing anywhere near as much of himself as he should

This season he has played 4 league games and in my opinion played ok in 3 of them and poorly in 1. Most commentators think our midfield has been a revelation this season, a midfield that includes Gomes. More importantly Carlo is very happy with our midfield so I will agree with them and not you on this. If he has more bad games he can be benched till he gets his form back. That is the way it should work.

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

What's with all the vendetta connotations.... He's got to step up. Simple as that

I never mentioned vendetta, but as you bring it up I'll ask you. Why do you seem to pick on certain players that are by most standards playing well then look for every reason to criticise them? I mean some of your points are valid, but some are just pure fantasy. We are top of the league, playing football we couldn't even dare to hope to achieve under Silva and Allardyce, yet instead of being happy and praising them you home in on certain players like a hyper critical fault exaggerating blood hound. 

I just don't get it, but if that's your thing then so be it. I just think its a pity as it spoils your posts. 

Anyway, don't want this to take over the thread, and as we have both had our say, and are clearly not going to change each others mind I will leave it there. 

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To be fair the media seems to have the same opinion of him. 
 

I don’t get why we’re not allowed to criticise players when they aren’t performing? Every person on this site has criticised players at some point, but if certain characters do.... it seems to be outlawed? 
 

Some feel he hid, others feel he didn’t, but had a bad game.... it’s pretty unanimous that this was far from his best game.  Why does it matter if certain people say it? These personality attacks are getting real boring... seems to be in every thread recently.

Drop it and get back to discussing the player, good or bad!

 

edit: not directed at you LB, your post is just above that’s all haha. Just in general some posters seem to be disliked.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

You said he hid from the ball, made himself unavailable as a passing option, which cant be true as he attempted 78 passes. You can pass the ball without first receiving it and as he didn't make 78 tackles in the game he must therefore of been passed the ball.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1485226/Live/England-Premier-League-2020-2021-Everton-Liverpool

This season he has played 4 league games and in my opinion played ok in 3 of them and poorly in 1. Most commentators think our midfield has been a revelation this season, a midfield that includes Gomes. More importantly Carlo is very happy with our midfield so I will agree with them and not you on this. If he has more bad games he can be benched till he gets his form back. That is the way it should work.

I never mentioned vendetta, but as you bring it up I'll ask you. Why do you seem to pick on certain players that are by most standards playing well then look for every reason to criticise them? I mean some of your points are valid, but some are just pure fantasy. We are top of the league, playing football we couldn't even dare to hope to achieve under Silva and Allardyce, yet instead of being happy and praising them you home in on certain players like a hyper critical fault exaggerating blood hound. 

I just don't get it, but if that's your thing then so be it. I just think its a pity as it spoils your posts. 

Anyway, don't want this to take over the thread, and as we have both had our say, and are clearly not going to change each others mind I will leave it there. 

He didn't pass the ball 78 times ..... Seriously, if you are going to start pulling me based on stats, make sure they aren't exaggerated 3 times over. 

He got on the ball about as much as Dom who was a lone striker .... The player who made the most passes was Keane. ..... Who made twice as many passes as Gomes, mina made around 40......  That's 90 passes out from the back alone.  So you tell me how he only made 27 pass attempts when he is the usual recipient of passes from defence? 

He hid. I don't need stats to prove it, but in rebuttal to yours I know which ones stand up more. 

I'm sure Carlo never hooked him off cos he was happy with him, and I'm sure Carlo like many of us is wondering when Gomes is going to aspire to the levels of Allan (who was immense in second half) and Doucoure who despite not being at his best was still a far better level than Andre. 

For the record I'm as euphoric in my appreciation of players as I am in criticism.  I don't like being short changed and if I think some players aren't doing it then I will say so 

I'm sorry I can't be more accommodating and give out rosette's for popular players who are playing shit but that's the way it is. 

You asked Romey why he doesn't like bolassie earning a hefty wage off us? Or why he doesn't rate Mina?  I'm sure the answer will be non too disimilar to why I get pissed at players who weaken us - shukes makes a valid point I personally couldn't give a shit about likes or dislikes, I make my opinion know and that's it .

We wouldn't be top of the league if we never weeeded out the shite and there is still some work to be done so you will have to try and ignore is saying things like "time to rest coleman'.  It's evolution.... We aren't sending them to the vet to get shot

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

To be fair the media seems to have the same opinion of him. 
 

I don’t get why we’re not allowed to criticise players when they aren’t performing? Every person on this site has criticised players at some point, but if certain characters do.... it seems to be outlawed? 
 

Some feel he hid, others feel he didn’t, but had a bad game.... it’s pretty unanimous that this was far from his best game.  Why does it matter if certain people say it? These personality attacks are getting real boring... seems to be in every thread recently.

Drop it and get back to discussing the player, good or bad!

 

edit: not directed at you LB, your post is just above that’s all haha. Just in general some posters seem to be disliked.

Not a personality attack Shukes, and I have no problem with anyone calling out a player when they don't play well. I started out by agreeing that Gomes had a bad game. 

I leant a long time ago that 20 people can see the same event and call it 20 different ways. It's human nature. 

My point to Haff was that he seems to be too critical of whatever player has displeased him. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He didn't pass the ball 78 times ..... Seriously, if you are going to start pulling me based on stats, make sure they aren't exaggerated 3 times over. 

 

Your right I got the numbers wrong but Gomes had 27 passes, Allan 24, and Doucoure 34, which still proves my point as they are all very similar.

42 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You asked Romey why he doesn't like bolassie earning a hefty wage off us? Or why he doesn't rate Mina? 

Yes I have, sorry, its not all about you Haff.....

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To be fair, we drew with possibly the best team in Europe and certainly the best team in the country. 
Gomes didn’t have his best of games and can be better, but he was no passenger. 
You don’t get a result like that, against a team like them, without 11 players putting a shift in. 
He can and will do better, but I’ve no issue with anyone on that pitch yesterday. 
Take that draw, it’s a fucking horrible derby and we weren’t embarrassed, and move on until we have to play them again. 
 

We are still top of the league. 
 

Top of the league!!

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23 minutes ago, Palfy said:

For periods of the game there was a general lack of movement from the 5 players in front of Allan, which resulted in long balls being played up to DCL, for me there was no hiding from any player just a lack of movement. 

Lack of movement is as good as hiding in my book.   Seen players do that shit for years,  Roy Keane goes mad at players for it, got to be brave.... Always be prepared to get on the ball.  

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I drop him for soton and see what reaction he gives.

I will say though, I don’t think he needs telling that he was having an off game. I’ve never seen him get so irate as when he did to Henderson and it seemed to be more so out of frustration for his own performance.

Can say a lot about him but I won’t question his heart. I believe he is grateful for us and we need to help him rediscover his best because it will make us a seriously much better side. 

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2 hours ago, Btay said:

I drop him for soton and see what reaction he gives.

I will say though, I don’t think he needs telling that he was having an off game. I’ve never seen him get so irate as when he did to Henderson and it seemed to be more so out of frustration for his own performance.

Can say a lot about him but I won’t question his heart. I believe he is grateful for us and we need to help him rediscover his best because it will make us a seriously much better side. 

If a manager drops a player every time one of them has a bad game he will soon lose the respect of all his players.  

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5 hours ago, Palfy said:

If a manager drops a player every time one of them has a bad game he will soon lose the respect of all his players.  

I don’t think he’s been quite there for a few games though. I’m a big Gomes fan. Ancelotti knows him better than me, some need an arm around them and done positive words others need a rocket. Whatever happens I just want to see the Gomes that single handedly ran games.

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28 minutes ago, Btay said:

I don’t think he’s been quite there for a few games though. I’m a big Gomes fan. Ancelotti knows him better than me, some need an arm around them and done positive words others need a rocket. Whatever happens I just want to see the Gomes that single handedly ran games.

Sorry mate I thought you meant just because of the game on Saturday, I do completely get what you’re saying he’s not been the player we all grew to love at the moment. 

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Again, we’ve not lost a single game with him in the team, we’re top of the league, he has been involved in some very good build up play for some of our many goals, he can’t be doing that bad. If he can do better then great, but the alternatives don’t seem that fantastic either. 
 

Also, still top of the league. 

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He should be in the team for soton. Gomes is playing in a role that he is not used too, for us anyway. When he came into the team he was much deeper and his job was to get the ball shield it and keep the play flowing. There’s no reason to imagine he won’t be able to do that, but he’s still figuring out his place in this team and had a poor game against one of the best teams in the world with a top top midfield. He should be  in the team for soton.

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40 minutes ago, StevO said:

Again, we’ve not lost a single game with him in the team, we’re top of the league, he has been involved in some very good build up play for some of our many goals, he can’t be doing that bad. If he can do better then great, but the alternatives don’t seem that fantastic either. 
 

Also, still top of the league. 

i agree, people are getting confused because they expect him last year, HE'S NOT PLAYING THAT POSITION ANYMORE.  he's the top of the midfield three.  Doucoure is now doing what Andre did last year.  Change your expectations folks.

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4 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

i agree, people are getting confused because they expect him last year, HE'S NOT PLAYING THAT POSITION ANYMORE.  he's the top of the midfield three.  Doucoure is now doing what Andre did last year.  Change your expectations folks.

Sort of, though I’d say him and Doucoure are playing very similar roles. Gomes in the left and Doucoure on the right. Just with different skill sets. 
I still like that midfield three though, I think they compliment each other very well. 

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Said this when it happened and will continue to until proven otherwise, he made a remarkable recovery from that injury but getting back on the field is different than getting back to who you were. Andre seems a tremendous lad so I'm desperate for him to prove me wrong but I don't think we will ever see him back to his best. Horrendous injury that is a burden physically and mentally for almost everyone who goes through it. 

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27 minutes ago, StevO said:

Sort of, though I’d say him and Doucoure are playing very similar roles. Gomes in the left and Doucoure on the right. Just with different skill sets. 
I still like that midfield three though, I think they compliment each other very well. 

the way i see it, allan is the deepest and doing the most defending, the least in attack.  doucoure does equal parts defense and attacks and has the pace/stamina to be running all over the place.  gomes is doing the least defending and is doing the most in linking the attack and helping transitions to be fast and to be available to link up with the forwards.

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9 hours ago, StevO said:

Again, we’ve not lost a single game with him in the team, we’re top of the league, he has been involved in some very good build up play for some of our many goals, he can’t be doing that bad. If he can do better then great, but the alternatives don’t seem that fantastic either. 
 

Also, still top of the league. 

I see your point and agree somewhat. 
 

Nothing wrong with challenging him and getting that extra 10%. Right now we are winning but if a couple of other players levels drop even slightly then we start to draw and lose more games. 

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the way i see it, allan is the deepest and doing the most defending, the least in attack.  doucoure does equal parts defense and attacks and has the pace/stamina to be running all over the place.  gomes is doing the least defending and is doing the most in linking the attack and helping transitions to be fast and to be available to link up with the forwards.

I don’t disagree, but he’s not playing any further forward than Doucoure. They have both done their fair share of attacking, he just isn’t as good defensively as Doucoure. But one plays to Allans right and one to his left. 

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41 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I didnt know what role he was supposed to be playing today and it seemed that neither did he!

He looks like that when he's playing in his usual position.... It's called having a really shit game 

Sadly the lad doesn't seem to know what a good game is anymore

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3 minutes ago, Matt said:

It was a lot of both. 

Matt I refuse to accept that any manager never mind Ancelotti would send a player on the pitch with out any direction or game plan, the manager was forced into changing his tactics due to injuries and suspensions, they would have worked on this in training and would have known their role in the system, some of the players weren’t on it they have proven one thing to Ancelotti their not good enough to adapt to change, that’s their lack of ability and understanding not the managers. 

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5 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Matt I refuse to accept that any manager never mind Ancelotti would send a player on the pitch with out any direction or game plan, the manager was forced into changing his tactics due to injuries and suspensions, they would have worked on this in training and would have known their role in the system, some of the players weren’t on it they have proven one thing to Ancelotti their not good enough to adapt to change, that’s their lack of ability and understanding not the managers. 

I get that he was forced into a massive change but we had 0 energy and basically passed it sideways or backwards. It’s absolutely on the players but to give the manager a clean pass is naive. 

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1 minute ago, Matt said:

I get that he was forced into a massive change but we had 0 energy and basically passed it sideways or backwards. It’s absolutely on the players but to give the manager a clean pass is naive. 

The manager sends the team out with direction, the players are responsible for putting the energy in the hard yards in he can’t do that for them, the game plan was obviously working until the first goal and poor decision went against us on 56 minutes, then he to try and make changes and chase the game. 
And the plan would have been keep it tight and take your opportunities, we kept it tight but didn’t take the opportunities that we created in that system, being Gylfi’s air shot in front of goal 5 yards out and DCL’s 6 yard shot across the goal high and wide, both players new they should have done better and at minimum worked the keeper. 
You can’t ignore those sorts of missed opportunities as if they didn’t happen or matter, then hang the manager and his tactics, when with basic average finishing we would have walked away with the win. 

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53 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Are you saying that Ancelotti sent him out to play with out any direction, or that he wasn’t good enough?

I would say the role he was being asked to play wasn't exactly clear and that he wasn't good enough on the day to play it. 

35 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He looks like that when he's playing in his usual position.... It's called having a really shit game 

Sadly the lad doesn't seem to know what a good game is anymore

He was playing with 4 other central midfielders so he definitely wasn't playing his "normal" position because there was nothing normal about the line-up nor the tactics. 

There were far too many square pegs in round holes.

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

The manager sends the team out with direction, the players are responsible for putting the energy in the hard yards in he can’t do that for them, the game plan was obviously working until the first goal and poor decision went against us on 56 minutes, then he to try and make changes and chase the game. 
And the plan would have been keep it tight and take your opportunities, we kept it tight but didn’t take the opportunities that we created in that system, being Gylfi’s air shot in front of goal 5 yards out and DCL’s 6 yard shot across the goal high and wide, both players new they should have done better and at minimum worked the keeper. 
You can’t ignore those sorts of missed opportunities as if they didn’t happen or matter, then hang the manager and his tactics, when with basic average finishing we would have walked away with the win. 

If that is the sum of the direction given we would all be managers! 

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26 minutes ago, Bailey said:

If that is the sum of the direction given we would all be managers! 

So does that mean the manager is responsible for getting the players to give their all, if a player can’t motivate himself to try his hardest and give his all every time he steps on the pitch, without it being coaxed out of him by his manager, then he shouldn’t be in the game no ifs or buts. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

So does that mean the manager is responsible for getting the players to give their all, if a player can’t motivate himself to try his hardest and give his all every time he steps on the pitch, without it being coaxed out of him by his manager, then he shouldn’t be in the game no ifs or buts. 

Its not as simple as that Palfy. If a player isn't sure or comfortable about exactly what they should be doing and where they should be they tend to play more hesitantly and/or cautiously which I would say sums up todays team performance, not just Gomes. 

There wasn't anything I saw from Gomes to say that he wasn't trying, it was more that it wasn't coming off. 

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13 hours ago, Bailey said:

Its not as simple as that Palfy. If a player isn't sure or comfortable about exactly what they should be doing and where they should be they tend to play more hesitantly and/or cautiously which I would say sums up todays team performance, not just Gomes. 

There wasn't anything I saw from Gomes to say that he wasn't trying, it was more that it wasn't coming off. 

Are we running that low on excuses for gomes now or shall we look to recycle a few old ones and see if they can stick?

He's tired:-  bollocks, had a week off cos he was dropped for being shit 

Injury:- bollocks, played better just after his injury than he has in the last several months

Played out of position:- bollocks, been played across the midfield just like he did at Valencia. Arteta a similar type of player could play across the midfield deep or advanced.  

Tired of hearing him get excused cos he played great for us in his honeymoon period. ..... Looked brilliant I agree. But so did players like Royston Drenthe who also lacked whatever it was to apply himself. 

 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Are we running that low on excuses for gomes now or shall we look to recycle a few old ones and see if they can stick?

He's tired:-  bollocks, had a week off cos he was dropped for being shit 

Injury:- bollocks, played better just after his injury than he has in the last several months

Played out of position:- bollocks, been played across the midfield just like he did at Valencia. Arteta a similar type of player could play across the midfield deep or advanced.  

Tired of hearing him get excused cos he played great for us in his honeymoon period. ..... Looked brilliant I agree. But so did players like Royston Drenthe who also lacked whatever it was to apply himself. 

 

It's not about playing "out of position" its about playing in a team with 5 central midfielders, no wingers and a couple of full backs trying to do the job. No-one in that midfield were able to find passes in the middle or attacking third because there were none, at least not until the changes were made and we started to get a foothold in the game.

I said he played crap, he clearly did, there is no excusing that but the team as whole were poor and they will all play better than they did yesterday when they are set up in a much more familiar set up. Its really not that hard to understand.

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9 hours ago, StevO said:

When we were beating teams at the start of the season he was good enough, I’ve no doubt he’s still good enough. As with any player, there are 11 on the pitch and they all win together and lose together. 

His talent is undoubted. .  . He is good enough.

He plays well when the pressure and demand on him isn't there, as soon as we get into a game where he needs to stamp his authority he isn't there.

An incredibly frustrating player who like I've said before can show why Barca bought him, and why they sold him. 

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

His talent is undoubted. .  . He is good enough.

He plays well when the pressure and demand on him isn't there, as soon as we get into a game where he needs to stamp his authority he isn't there.

An incredibly frustrating player who like I've said before can show why Barca bought him, and why they sold him. 

He has shown it in a game where the pressure and demand are there. In that game against the shite at Analfield when Pickford handed them the victory at the end he was sublime and he ran our team. He controlled our whole performance and we dominated the game and should have had it won before the end.

I don't know what's going on with him at the moment but he does have it in him and I hope he finds it again because we need a squad. He's probably the best of the worst at the moment, because the rest of the midfield options to come in are dog shit, but he's capable of so much more.

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4 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He has shown it in a game where the pressure and demand are there. In that game against the shite at Analfield when Pickford handed them the victory at the end he was sublime and he ran our team. He controlled our whole performance and we dominated the game and should have had it won before the end.

I don't know what's going on with him at the moment but he does have it in him and I hope he finds it again because we need a squad. He's probably the best of the worst at the moment, because the rest of the midfield options to come in are dog shit, but he's capable of so much more.

That game and one against Man United yeah...  Seem a long time ago. When he was playing for a move or was he signed on by then???

I sound like I've got it in for him... I haven't, I genuinely like him and want him to do well. Seems a cracking fella and on his day he's a joy to watch.  

So fucking annoying.... Both he and Gylfi have two of the nicest right pegs around  and can't get a tune out of them. 

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22 hours ago, Hafnia said:

That game and one against Man United yeah...  Seem a long time ago. When he was playing for a move or was he signed on by then???

I sound like I've got it in for him... I haven't, I genuinely like him and want him to do well. Seems a cracking fella and on his day he's a joy to watch.  

 

It does doesn't it.

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11 hours ago, London Blue said:

It does doesn't it.

Am I being unreasonable?

I was asked why I was quizzing Gomes for his performances cos we were winning. ... Is my criticism more tangible now we have had a defeat that he stunk the gaff out?

Maybe you disagree with the person who is saying it, more than what he is actually saying??? Something shukes mentioned ..... 

 

are you ok with me being critical of Siggy?  I just need to clarify ?  Maybe you should put me on block mate ... Cos unless some players step up then they will get criticism.  

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33 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Am I being unreasonable?

I was asked why I was quizzing Gomes for his performances cos we were winning. ... Is my criticism more tangible now we have had a defeat that he stunk the gaff out?

Maybe you disagree with the person who is saying it, more than what he is actually saying??? Something shukes mentioned ..... 

 

are you ok with me being critical of Siggy?  I just need to clarify ?  Maybe you should put me on block mate ... Cos unless some players step up then they will get criticism.  

Some find it easier and more acceptable to gloss over the players performances and blame the manager for his team selection🤷‍♂️

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Haf, I’m with you, I think he’s been the main disappointment in the preferred starting 11, he just hasn’t been on his game, I wish he was as he’s a lovely player to watch when he’s good, but he’s awful if not, the big problem though is that none of Siggy, Bernard or Iwobi, has taken their chance to get the spot in the starting 11 when it’s been given.

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47 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Am I being unreasonable?

I was asked why I was quizzing Gomes for his performances cos we were winning. ... Is my criticism more tangible now we have had a defeat that he stunk the gaff out?

Maybe you disagree with the person who is saying it, more than what he is actually saying??? Something shukes mentioned ..... 

 

are you ok with me being critical of Siggy?  I just need to clarify ?  Maybe you should put me on block mate ... Cos unless some players step up then they will get criticism.  

I did the same a few weeks ago and got slaughtered for it. Biggest argument people offered was... why am I singling him out when we are winning. 
I let Carlo do the talking for me, by dropping him. 
 

Feels people are more into proving people wrong, than their own arguments right sometimes. 
 

Edit: I wrote that after your first paragraph. Then I read the rest of your post haha.

 

Blame Palfy, it feels good. I blame him for mistakes at work... everything i can think of 😉

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