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35 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I did the same a few weeks ago and got slaughtered for it. Biggest argument people offered was... why am I singling him out when we are winning. 
I let Carlo do the talking for me, by dropping him. 
 

Feels people are more into proving people wrong, than their own arguments right sometimes. 
 

Edit: I wrote that after your first paragraph. Then I read the rest of your post haha.

 

Blame Palfy, it feels good. I blame him for mistakes at work... everything i can think of 😉

Totally agreed.... The populism on this site can be so cringy

"Oooh look xyz has had a go let's join in...."

"Urgh it's Palf, haf, peteo ... Let's disagree"

 

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56 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I did the same a few weeks ago and got slaughtered for it. Biggest argument people offered was... why am I singling him out when we are winning. 
I let Carlo do the talking for me, by dropping him. 
 

Feels people are more into proving people wrong, than their own arguments right sometimes. 
 

Edit: I wrote that after your first paragraph. Then I read the rest of your post haha.

 

Blame Palfy, it feels good. I blame him for mistakes at work... everything i can think of 😉

I’d probably accept responsibility. 

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Gomes's performances had deteriorated last season, even before his injury if honest, and the injury just made it worst, and this has been very disappointing - He came here after his loan spell with us having real high hopes - He set the bar quite high for himself with his performances, so it makes it so much more frustrating that instead of kicking on to consistent star midfielder he seems to have just progressively fallen away from his earlier form, with this seasons performances being no better than his form at the end of last season - even with the improved players around him and the confidence he should have been feeding off as the team does well. 

I called him out as one of the main culprits for us really having that lazy, lethargic and toothless midfield last season, looking for him to be one of the players changed out from the team. I so much wanted to see the player we first saw at the club return, its just not happening. 

Like others have said, he has been quite fortunate that others haven't stepped up to put his starting berth under more pressure.

Gomes has never chipped in with goals (even when he actually played well for us), so he is not the type of player that even when playing poorly, you think there might be one moment of genius in there than could result in a goal from nothing - That is one advantage Gyfi does very much have over Gomes.

 

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Played well again.

I'll give credit as much as I give criticism.

Seems to be planting his feet a bit more and leveraging his strength which is way above the average for a footballer - he's a good 6ft and a decent build, no way should he have been playing like he has. 

Hopefully we see more of this Andre as the best Andre is an extremely good footballer. 

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Played well again.

I'll give credit as much as I give criticism.

Seems to be planting his feet a bit more and leveraging his strength which is way above the average for a footballer - he's a good 6ft and a decent build, no way should he have been playing like he has. 

Hopefully we see more of this Andre as the best Andre is an extremely good footballer. 

He's like a futsal player hey, strong with good feet. Fingers crossed this is beginning of some consistent performances because we need a bit of creativity 

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I think by bringing Gomes back slowly, Carlo has gradually increased both his strength and confidence. I am looking for him to start the next league game and start to impose himself on games, and be the Gomes we all know and love.

His drive, energy, and positivity, coupled with his obvious skill is something we need. 

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9 hours ago, London Blue said:

I think by bringing Gomes back slowly, Carlo has gradually increased both his strength and confidence. I am looking for him to start the next league game and start to impose himself on games, and be the Gomes we all know and love.

His drive, energy, and positivity, coupled with his obvious skill is something we need. 

Blue, this is not injury related.

I wish it was but it's not.  Gomes struggles with confidence and consistency.  

There has been no pattern to his good performances Vs poor.  I'd go as far as saying he's played better when returning from injury/not playing Vs when he's had a run in the side. 

People have been desperate to justify why he is as poor as he is when he is off the boil because there is clearly a very talented player there. 

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12 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Blue, this is not injury related.

I wish it was but it's not.  Gomes struggles with confidence and consistency.  

There has been no pattern to his good performances Vs poor.  I'd go as far as saying he's played better when returning from injury/not playing Vs when he's had a run in the side. 

People have been desperate to justify why he is as poor as he is when he is off the boil because there is clearly a very talented player there. 

You can't say categorically that it isn't. I get that he had issues before the injury but it is also very fair to say lots of players struggle when they come back from long term / significant injuries like his. 

You only need to look at Coleman and McCarthy. Coleman was amazing on his first game back but then he stunk out the gaff for 6+ months after that before finding his form. McCarthy couldn't even get in the squad when he came back.

Like you I am not fully convinced he is suddenly going to come back a better player by being eased back in a little more but he looked a lot weaker post injury and it might be that he will improve more as the season goes on. It is possible and time will tell, but on balance I am more in your camp than others.

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Blue, this is not injury related.

I wish it was but it's not.  Gomes struggles with confidence and consistency.  

There has been no pattern to his good performances Vs poor.  I'd go as far as saying he's played better when returning from injury/not playing Vs when he's had a run in the side. 

People have been desperate to justify why he is as poor as he is when he is off the boil because there is clearly a very talented player there. 

Carlo said it was in a press conference a while back I think. I don't doubt there are confidence issues as well, but I think being fully fit is a massive part of it.

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Played well last few games, Carlo needs to keep on him. 

There is no excuse for a player of his size and talent to be as anonymous as he has been 

It's all in between the ears with him. Outside of James, he's up there with Digne and Bernard as the best technical player. 

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31 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I was so happy watching him play tonight. I don't believe for a single second that his poor performances have been anything to do with a lack of effort or work ethic, or not caring, or any of that absolute bollocks. 

Tonight he was quality. That ball to put Digne in for our first goal was sublime and there aren't many other players in our team that could have done it. But even without that it was a quality performance from him - he anticipated so many dangerous situations and positioned himself perfectly to intercept the ball.

I want this Andre Gomes more please.

We all want it more. It was great to see. He’s been visibly frustrated with his own performances, I just really hope he kicks on because we need some more quality to go with fight!

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9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I was so happy watching him play tonight. I don't believe for a single second that his poor performances have been anything to do with a lack of effort or work ethic, or not caring, or any of that absolute bollocks. 

Tonight he was quality. That ball to put Digne in for our first goal was sublime and there aren't many other players in our team that could have done it. But even without that it was a quality performance from him - he anticipated so many dangerous situations and positioned himself perfectly to intercept the ball.

I want this Andre Gomes more please.

It's in his head, always has been.  Similar to Barkley, you know in the first 5 minutes how he's going to play.

Was quality last night.  He has proven it's nothing to do with injury, just need to get him like this for every game. 

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Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Another good performance from him tonight , is it just me or is he starting to look a lot stronger and fitter now ?

Staring to look more like the fella we had on loan from Barca

It’s not just you, he seems to finally feel settled again. He’s got just enough responsibility to be motivated without being overwhelmed when he’s got someone else doing the defensive part. He’s a starter in this form with Allan and Doucoure, means Davies, Siggy and eventually Gbamin will have to up their game. 
 

so long as he keeps this up of course...

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10 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

To be honest I had pretty much given up on him, much like Davies and Siggy, but Carlo senna to be getting a bit of a tune out of all three

Probably one of Ancellottis biggest positives.  He's a better man than me cos I'd have launched a few players after last season.  Clearly knows how to get the most from his men. 

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It was a good performance today. One issue I have with Gomes is that he does need to be chipping in with the occasional goal - as a central midfielder (and not a holding/defensive one) 2 or 3 a season in the league wouldn't go a miss. He has 1 goal in 68 league appearances. if he was more of a goal threat from around the edge of the area it would just give that opposition something else to think about when we are on the offensive. 

 

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My only fear is that, haven't we been here before? I feel like I can count one or two other false dawns where we all said "this is the Gomes we need, hopefully this is him back to his best." Really hoping this is for real this time and not another bright period before the inevitable slump

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17 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Another good performance from him tonight , is it just me or is he starting to look a lot stronger and fitter now ?

Starting to look more like the fella we had on loan from Barca

Definitely. I still think he has holes in him as a footballer but there is s lot more aggression and intensity in his play now. 

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