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1 hour ago, Makis said:

His size also sets some question marks on him. It will be interesting to see how he does in the U23s when his opponents are physically a better match.

Understand what you're saying, but he looks to have decent touch and an accurate boot.  Doesn't seem like just a man child, get more of that impression from Hornsby and his game style (but impressed/hopeful with him also).

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Scored tonight in a 4-1 defeat to Derby. Apparently a run from just inside the Derby half topped off with a finish.

4 goals in 6 games for him whilst in the U23 squad. Looking like a promising player. Him and Gordon are looking like they want to push that first team!

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18 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

 

So where does Simms fit into our striker decisions? Clearly he’s gonna need a step up for next season at the latest. If we think he’s gonna be a first teamer in the next year or two does that effect what we do in the next couple windows? 

I’d say we have absolutely zero idea if he’s going to be a first teaser at this point. He’s not made his debut for us, he’s not played any first team football anywhere, so he shouldn’t even be coming into our thinking in regards to bringing someone in now.

He needs a loan move and then we go from there with him.

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The Bundesliga has been a fantastic loan pool for young players, hypothetically speaking it would be great if we could send Ellis over there so that he could have competition against some strong teams (Bayern, BVB and Leipzig) then it would work very much in his favour. 

The lower league pyramid is always a shout, but I think going to a new country can really improve the person, not just the player (just look at Sancho).

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18 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

The Bundesliga has been a fantastic loan pool for young players, hypothetically speaking it would be great if we could send Ellis over there so that he could have competition against some strong teams (Bayern, BVB and Leipzig) then it would work very much in his favour. 

The lower league pyramid is always a shout, but I think going to a new country can really improve the person, not just the player (just look at Sancho).

also seems like we could get higher fees if they end up not being part of our plans here.  i see 1m, 2m fees when we sell to lower english sides, might be able to squeeze more out over there since it's their top league.  

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1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

The Bundesliga has been a fantastic loan pool for young players, hypothetically speaking it would be great if we could send Ellis over there so that he could have competition against some strong teams (Bayern, BVB and Leipzig) then it would work very much in his favour. 

The lower league pyramid is always a shout, but I think going to a new country can really improve the person, not just the player (just look at Sancho).

Then looks at Kenny... 😂

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I know it’s been mentioned previously that while he’s a natural finisher he lacks a  bit in the other skills necessary to be a well rounded striker. Perhaps the thought is to keep him here where we can really work on his development instead of sending him on loan where they won’t care as much about that. My vote is probably to do that and  keep him here for the remainder, have the coaches really hammer home some of those DCL qualities then send him out next year and see what he’s got against better competition. 

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4 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

that argument works in Zoo's favor too.  Kenny was a nothing before he went to Schalke.  After that loan they wanted to buy him, previous to it he had no such interest.  so had we cashed in it would have benefitted us (still might).

It does if you talk about value but not if you talk about development. Has Kenny come back and shown more than he did when he left? Not really.

FWIW I am not disagreeing with Zoo, I think it must be a huge step in a young players personal development and I am sure Kenny has grown as a man as a result and I think more players would benefit from taking that risk. It just hasn't really helped the one player we have sent that way to become a better footballer! 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

It does if you talk about value but not if you talk about development. Has Kenny come back and shown more than he did when he left? Not really.

FWIW I am not disagreeing with Zoo, I think it must be a huge step in a young players personal development and I am sure Kenny has grown as a man as a result and I think more players would benefit from taking that risk. It just hasn't really helped the one player we have sent that way to become a better footballer! 

you're asking the wrong guy, kenny has always been a nothing for me (i know some on here rated him).

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He needs this badly. Watched him last night  in the mini derby. 
At times he looks strong and a nuisance, but lacks that composure when gets chances at the moment. Should have scored two at least. 
 

Seemed to have worked on his work rate a bit though, did well fighting for the ball up top, but still holds the ball like a school fence at the moment.

Cant wait to see how he does at senior level, this could really make him.

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The goals from last night if anyone wants to watch, Ellis' goals are around 1:38 & 1:50. Both of them really poor defending, but good determination to get to the ball for the first one and a nice tap-in for the second. 

Should hopefully give him the confidence and a spring in his step to do it against more difficult opponents with the obvious goal to do it on a regular basis in the Premier League. 

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2 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

The goals from last night if anyone wants to watch, Ellis' goals are around 1:38 & 1:50. Both of them really poor defending, but good determination to get to the ball for the first one and a nice tap-in for the second. 

Should hopefully give him the confidence and a spring in his step to do it against more difficult opponents with the obvious goal to do it on a regular basis in the Premier League. 

Can defending be poor if it’s non-existent?

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

thanks zoo.  his heading game is good, hope to see some more with his feet next time.

 

we've had first team players miss wide open goals like that before, it's nice to see him put away shots that should be put away.

In fairness, though, a scarecrow could have scored that final goal: Simms didn't head it as much as stand still and let the ball bounce off his head, the defending was that poor.

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23 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

In fairness, though, a scarecrow could have scored that final goal: Simms didn't head it as much as stand still and let the ball bounce off his head, the defending was that poor.

You’re right of course but some of that is down to his physical attributes. He’s gonna be able to hold position in the box well and that will result in some goals like that.

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