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4 minutes ago, StevO said:

With Richarlison, DCL and James he would have to be a bench warmer. We aren’t buying anyone better than those three surely?!

Even being ahead of Bernard, Walcott and Iwobi only gets you on the bench for us now. 

Look at the fixture list he wont be warming that bench in December! Plus cup games depending on how far we get in both of them. He'd certainly be better than we have, he'd be the strongest player to come in and cover any 3 of the front 3 positons.

5 minutes ago, c1982 said:

£10m... can he play defensive mid though

No, CENTRE BACK!!!

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Dunc said he wants his players to fight for everything and never stop running, he did neither and so got hooked, ruthless maybe but I’m absolutely fine with that 

Just turned 20... playing in a foreign country with a team of cowards. Plenty of potential. 

Deeney shouldn’t even be being discussed as someone who has ever been good enough to play for us.  For me he’s always been someone who worked hard but was very lacking  in natural ability a talent,

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I really can't understand loan move to PSG - Kean has not been getting game time at Everton, because in the first instance he's just not been good enough yet. Not quite seeing the point of him going to a club where his likely to get let first team game time. I know the French league is a lot easier, but PSG have a few players who would be ahead of him. 

We are short of cover upfront, so I am guessing him going is subject to us bringing somebody in - even just to keep us going for this season.

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6 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

I really can't understand loan move to PSG - Kean has not been getting game time at Everton, because in the first instance he's just not been good enough yet. Not quite seeing the point of him going to a club where his likely to get let first team game time. I know the French league is a lot easier, but PSG have a few players who would be ahead of him. 

We are short of cover upfront, so I am guessing him going is subject to us bringing somebody in - even just to keep us going for this season.

Simple explanation; agents and money. Brands is playing the game behind the scenes, effectively buying favours in this case. 

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4 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

I really can't understand loan move to PSG - Kean has not been getting game time at Everton, because in the first instance he's just not been good enough yet. Not quite seeing the point of him going to a club where his likely to get let first team game time. I know the French league is a lot easier, but PSG have a few players who would be ahead of him. 

We are short of cover upfront, so I am guessing him going is subject to us bringing somebody in - even just to keep us going for this season.

With lots of European games there might be more opportunity for him to get games I guess. Brands and co are too savvy not to have replacements lined up. I think they must have known for a while that he wanted to leave to get first team football.

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3 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Wonder if there is a requirement for PSG to buy him?

As others have said whoever we get in has to be good enough to challenge DCL and Richarlison for a place, which rules out quite a few players like Deeney etc.

I honestly don’t think that’s required. In an ideal world, sure, but DCL and Richie are in excellent form. I’d want someone who is versatile across the front positions and has good experience. A solid veteran type who can do a job. When we have more time we can address the position in a more comprehensive way.

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6 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

I honestly don’t think that’s required. In an ideal world, sure, but DCL and Richie are in excellent form. I’d want someone who is versatile across the front positions and has good experience. A solid veteran type who can do a job. When we have more time we can address the position in a more comprehensive way.

What happens if DCL and Richarlison get injured though? 
Can you think of any veterans who are doing a good enough job in the league? Not trying to be negative, I just can’t think of any in the premier league that do a good enough job up front for anyone else that makes me think it works. 
Aguero and Aubameyang are the only two I can think of and they are still at the top level. 

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12 minutes ago, StevO said:

What happens if DCL and Richarlison get injured though? 
Can you think of any veterans who are doing a good enough job in the league? Not trying to be negative, I just can’t think of any in the premier league that do a good enough job up front for anyone else that makes me think it works. 
Aguero and Aubameyang are the only two I can think of and they are still at the top level. 

Cavani hasn’t signed for anyone yet, we could conquer South America!

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20 minutes ago, StevO said:

Now that I would take seriously! Would love him, but think he would want to play. Make it fit?

 

10 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Agent fees of £10 million apparently, that's before you get to signing on fee and wages, for a 33 year old. Utd fans are pissed off about him joining them.

Its a "Hell No" from me.

If that’s the money then hell no too. We’d make it back in marketing probably but then there’s the “where do you put him”. 
 

Maybe a player like King would be a better option 

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40 minutes ago, StevO said:

What happens if DCL and Richarlison get injured though? 
Can you think of any veterans who are doing a good enough job in the league? Not trying to be negative, I just can’t think of any in the premier league that do a good enough job up front for anyone else that makes me think it works. 
Aguero and Aubameyang are the only two I can think of and they are still at the top level. 

In that event I’d rather have a veteran player that can do a decent job  then some younger guy with talent but little experience. In etither case I don’t imagine there are a ton of options on such limited time. 

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I really can't understand loan move to PSG - Kean has not been getting game time at Everton, because in the first instance he's just not been good enough yet. Not quite seeing the point of him going to a club where his likely to get let first team game time. I know the French league is a lot easier, but PSG have a few players who would be ahead of him. 

We are short of cover upfront, so I am guessing him going is subject to us bringing somebody in - even just to keep us going for this season.

Fully agree

Got his agent all over this one. I honestly dont think he will be a miss for us though - never have I though 'bring Moise on, he'll win us the game'

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

Simple explanation; agents and money. Brands is playing the game behind the scenes, effectively buying favours in this case. 

Spot on.  Probably a favor so they can get a keeper next summer.

 

ive always liked josh king, I would be all for that.  Too bad we missed on Callum Wilson he is banging em in

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9 minutes ago, Cisk said:

Fully agree

Got his agent all over this one. I honestly dont think he will be a miss for us though - never have I though 'bring Moise on, he'll win us the game'

Not now but in a couple years? Who knows. 
 

A similar case is Ademola Lookman who didn’t make it here or get game time in Germany but just came on for Fulham the last 30 min and looked like the most dangerous player on the pitch. Not saying he’s gonna go on to stardom but we will occasionally have players now who don’t make it at Everton for whatever reason who turn into excellent players elsewhere. 

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1 hour ago, FairWooney said:

I'd like to have seen Lookma  get more game time, always felt he could make it for us.  Think he'll do well at Fulham

Looked great in his 30 min. Also kicked out at a Wolves player and coulda been sent off. Seemingly still lacks maturity but on the ball he’s certainly got something.

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5 hours ago, London Blue said:

Wonder if there is a requirement for PSG to buy him?

As others have said whoever we get in has to be good enough to challenge DCL and Richarlison for a place, which rules out quite a few players like Deeney etc.

Apparently not

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/moise-kean-everton-transfer-psg-19048221

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strange one this, PSG isn't a destination that jumps out to me as a club where Kean would be guaranteed loads more minutes.  You would think he would get more minutes with us.  DCL is our only out and out striker ahead of him. 

New country and league, he's not got the hang of this one yet - strange. 

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33 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Fair play, obviously we see him having a long term future here and are prepared to let him go out to get game time. As long as he actually plays games there, and we get a replacement in I am happy with that.

In Carlo and Brands we trust!!

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37 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

It’s vital we get a striker in tomorrow now. 

I think there is a significant chance we treat Richie as our “backup” striker the way Spurs seem to do with Son and just roll with that until the January window when we will have more time. In any case I’m sure they had a plan before Kean was allowed to leave. 

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14 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

Not saying I agree but bolasie is big enough for CF, Walcott has played there before, we have Sandro on the books.  We have strikers they are just shite, but we might be pressed into keeping one of them.

In general I’d like to see Bolassie stay and Walcott go but it seems like the reverse is more likely.

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12 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

I think there is a significant chance we treat Richie as our “backup” striker the way Spurs seem to do with Son and just roll with that until the January window when we will have more time. In any case I’m sure they had a plan before Kean was allowed to leave. 

The concern I have with this is that this then pulls Richarlison away from a role is playing really well at the moment (which someone else on here pointed out previously). I certainly wouldn't mind that as an option but I wouldn't like to have to rely upon that happening either. The difference in quality and work rate from Richarlison to the next best is quite a big jump!

Like you say though, I am sure there is a plan and if not, I am sure Carlo will find a solution!

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31 minutes ago, Bailey said:

The concern I have with this is that this then pulls Richarlison away from a role is playing really well at the moment (which someone else on here pointed out previously). I certainly wouldn't mind that as an option but I wouldn't like to have to rely upon that happening either. The difference in quality and work rate from Richarlison to the next best is quite a big jump!

Like you say though, I am sure there is a plan and if not, I am sure Carlo will find a solution!

I don’t think it’s ideal either but on short time I can see this being the “plan” until January. If given the option between that and panic buying the next niasse/ tosun/ sandro I’d rather wait. Maybe you keep Simms around for the first half of the season just in case (I think this may be the plan regardless).

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5 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

I don’t think it’s ideal either but on short time I can see this being the “plan” until January. If given the option between that and panic buying the next niasse/ tosun/ sandro I’d rather wait. Maybe you keep Simms around for the first half of the season just in case (I think this may be the plan regardless).

I completely get your point. If everyone stays fit then that would work really well but pick up injuries and the depth looks really short.

In respect of Simms, if he was part of the plans he would have started a cup game. I don't see it happening personally and I think you are more likely to see someone else be pushed forward.

I would also hope our scouts have done better than those 3 mentioned! 

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17 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I am genuinely baffled that people aren't more concerned about the lack of depth up front. It's non-existent.

I agree with you, but Carlo obviously didn’t think Kean was the answer as credible cover or he wouldn’t have let go out on loan, even if we don’t get someone in in the last hour he will have a plan of what to do if we suffer injuries in that position. 

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8 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I agree with you, but Carlo obviously didn’t think Kean was the answer as credible cover or he wouldn’t have let go out on loan, even if we don’t get someone in in the last hour he will have a plan of what to do if we suffer injuries in that position. 

And I agree with letting Kean go. Lets face it, half the time he barely looked like a footballer and has been a huge disappointment. But he should've been replaced with someone that was credible cover.

Just now, SpartyBlue said:

I think there is a pretty reasonable chance we make a strong push for Josh King. 11 days to do so. 

I'm not a huge fan of Josh King but at this point I'd take him. If he's happy to be a bench player then he's useful in that role, and even if he's needed for an extended period of time, while it wouldn't be ideal it also wouldn't be the end of the world.

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http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-complicated-moise-kean-father-explains-psg-switch/

WTF is Mosie Kean's old man on about!!! This transfer gets stranger by the day!!

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so move to PSG to be behind Mbeppe, Neymar and Icaradi is the answer, because he don't like the fact DCL is ahead of him at Everton. 

His old man doesn't appear to the sharpest tool in the box

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-complicated-moise-kean-father-explains-psg-switch/

WTF is Mosie Kean's old man on about!!! This transfer gets stranger by the day!!

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so move to PSG to be behind Mbeppe, Neymar and Icaradi is the answer, because he don't like the fact DCL is ahead of him at Everton. 

His old man doesn't appear to the sharpest tool in the box

He is right. He needs to be at a lesser team to get chances. 
He has more chance of getting game time against Neymar and Mbappe than against DCL and Richie.

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

http://sportwitness.co.uk/everton-complicated-moise-kean-father-explains-psg-switch/

WTF is Mosie Kean's old man on about!!! This transfer gets stranger by the day!!

image.png.6fe18e0bcc12df350f831420dad17c33.png

 

so move to PSG to be behind Mbeppe, Neymar and Icaradi is the answer, because he don't like the fact DCL is ahead of him at Everton. 

His old man doesn't appear to the sharpest tool in the box

we hired more expnesive and more experienced strikers?  1.5m DCL???  what the fuck?

 

kean was the more expensive striker, he was a flop.

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1 minute ago, markjazzbassist said:

we hired more expnesive and more experienced strikers?  1.5m DCL???  what the fuck?

 

kean was the more expensive striker, he was a flop.

I know, the Kean's don't appear to the the brightest of families. Thanks be to God, that this seasons his super agent Riaola has now found a less complicated club, with less expensive and less experienced players in front of him. Just how does he do it!!!

Did he get a nice little fee for organising it for him! He knows how to manage your son alright. Thanks be to God indeed for super agents looking after talented young players. 

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3 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I read it as he found it hard to adjust to the UK, lockdown probably made it harder.

Wants to be playing.

To be fair a year at PSG will help make him a better player, I think he will get more games as they are in the Champs League. It will also give him some life experience. All of which helps us when he comes back next year, hopefully we will be playing in Europe and he will get more games.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

I read it as he found it hard to adjust to the UK, lockdown probably made it harder.

Wants to be playing.

To be fair a year at PSG will help make him a better player, I think he will get more games as they are in the Champs League. It will also give him some life experience. All of which helps us when he comes back next year, hopefully we will be playing in Europe and he will get more games.

i doubt he plays for us again, he will be off after PSG likely back to italy.  Mina Raiola is no mug, he gets more money if his client moves again.

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7 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i doubt he plays for us again, he will be off after PSG likely back to italy.  Mina Raiola is no mug, he gets more money if his client moves again.

Maybe, depends if we qualify for Europe or not. If he does amazingly well and a top European team come calling then he has 3 years left on his contract and we will make some money on him. If not then he comes back to us where we will need him.

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45 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I read it as he found it hard to adjust to the UK, lockdown probably made it harder.

Wants to be playing.

To be fair a year at PSG will help make him a better player, I think he will get more games as they are in the Champs League. It will also give him some life experience. All of which helps us when he comes back next year, hopefully we will be playing in Europe and he will get more games.

Hearing a big thanks to everybody, even God, for getting him out of Goodison. But not one positive comment coming from his camp about Everton or the people at Everton. 

Lets not be naïve, Mosie Kean can't get out the door quick enough. There was a quote leading up to the transfer, he wanted to move at 'any cost'. The painful truth is Juventus most likely where not willing to pay anywhere near what we paid for him last season to take him back, so that deal didn't materialise. Money bags PSG are going to have a punt on him thank to Riaola (they might owe him a favour or he's managed to sell him to them), his wages for 12months is peanuts to them, so why not have a good look at him and see if last summers hype about him was the real deal. If we are lucky they might take a shine to him - but given his showing both on and off the pitch in the 12months he has been with us I am not holding my breath, I am pretty sure he will let himself down once he realise there are even more better players ahead of him at PSG and game time will also not be easy to come by there, unless you earn it.  

The CL is not the Carabo cup, you don't play second string players in that competition. MK will not be starting CL games for PSG, (maybe one game at the end of the group stages is you have already run away with the group and its a dead duck). He might get some sub appearances once PSG have games won.

Moving to a new city, country and language (I assume his English is most likely better than his French?) during a continued period of local lockdowns and social distancing make little sense if leaving us because he's finding it hard to adjust and home. Going back to Italy I could understand, Paris I don't.  He's already done the hardest year with regard to settling in, he has one of the worlds best managers to learn from, an Italian manager at that, he is actually at a club where there isn't 3 or 4 world class strikers in front of him, if he knuckles down and is good enough game time would have come, and the club actually want him. We are the perfect environment for somebody like him at this stage of his career. There has to be more to it than this.  

I can actually put up with players coming here and in the end turning out to be a bit shit - you pay your money and you take your chances. One think I really hate is fans being made a mug of, and my spider sense is telling me we are somehow being mugged off a little my the Moise Kean circus. 

I would like to see us get most of our money back on him, so I really really hope I am wrong. But my rose tinted Moise Kean glasses came off a long time ago. I will believe him coming back a better player and wanting to fight for a starting place at Goodison when I see it. I think he will find that discipline and hard work will also be needed in Paris and even then you might not get on the pitch much - so I have my doubts he will be particularly happy there either. 

You might of gathered his old man's comments have pissed me off. rant over. 

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I’d really like to see Simms get a bit of game time and compare his cameo performances against Kean. I’m not saying Simms is ready for the prem but I’d just love to see the difference between an academy player and £30 million “wonder kid”

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