Moise Kean

[markjazzbassist]

1 hour ago, chicagoblue said:

Did we offer 30m Euros or Pounds?

euros.  

[StevO]

£31m seems reasonable, I’d ask for a higher buy back though. Maybe £50m if you could get it.

[Btay]

7 minutes ago, StevO said:

£31m seems reasonable, I’d ask for a higher buy back though. Maybe £50m if you could get it.

What are we quoting for lookman - 22mil? Think this guy will go for 30-35 mil pounds.

[StevO]

2 minutes ago, Btay said:

What are we quoting for lookman - 22mil? Think this guy will go for 30-35 mil pounds.

If we could get rid of Lookman and just have to find £10m to take this lad I think we’d have done well. 

[Bailey]

Just watched a couple of videos of the lad. Looks like he has great close control, technique and an eye for goal. No idea what he is like positionally or with his vision and passing etc but he certainly seems promising. Big difference playing in Seria A to the Prem though and I expect he will take time to adapt.

[Lowensda]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Just watched a couple of videos of the lad. Looks like he has great close control, technique and an eye for goal. No idea what he is like positionally or with his vision and passing etc but he certainly seems promising. Big difference playing in Seria A to the Prem though and I expect he will take time to adapt.

He's a bit of a diva but I think that comes with the amount of hype hes been given since youth team football. His ego probably outweighs his talent currently but his potential is very high.

[nutmegwolf203]

6 hours ago, Lowensda said:

He's a bit of a diva but I think that comes with the amount of hype hes been given since youth team football. His ego probably outweighs his talent currently but his potential is very high.

Is he? In what sense? I haven't read anything that alludes to any attitude problems. 

[Finn balor]

Apparently Juve wanted to use him in the de light transfer as a makeweight but it didn’t happen. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/report-everton-plan-40m-bid-for-moise-kean/

[nutmegwolf203]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/report-everton-plan-40m-bid-for-moise-kean/

Makes sense if true 

[nutmegwolf203]

1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/report-everton-plan-40m-bid-for-moise-kean/

Quick!

[barryj]

On 09/07/2019 at 20:24, barryj said:

Wouldn’t want a buy back clause in  the contract unless it was silly money which won’t happen. I’d give them first option at market price otherwise we carry the risk and they get the finished article at the fraction of the price. 

 

3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/14/report-everton-plan-40m-bid-for-moise-kean/

Exactly what I’ve been saying all along

[Sibdane]

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"Kean, 19, has emerged as a wonderkid at Juventus, and hit six goals in just 13 league games last season, of which just five were as a starter."

The price tag scares me now knowing he barely played a third of a season.

[Matt]

1 hour ago, sibdane said:

The price tag scares me now knowing he barely played a third of a season.

Thank fuck I’m not the only one!

[markjazzbassist]

yeah loan deal to buy is fine, but outright buy is a hell no from me.  way too small a sample size.  loan yes, buy no

[Sibdane]

I'm leaning towards Nicolas Pepe as being the best current option out there that's in our price range.

[Finn balor]

I’m thinking Malcolm is our most realistic option 

[Sibdane]

Malcom is a winger though. Ideally we get both of them plus a solid CB. That would be a good window (not even considering Gana leaving and his replacement atm).

[Finn balor]

3 hours ago, sibdane said:

Malcom is a winger though. Ideally we get both of them plus a solid CB. That would be a good window (not even considering Gana leaving and his replacement atm).

Pepe is not a striker .Have a look at his footage. He is not a number 9

[StevO]

Let’s get bold and buy the kid!! It’s not our money

[Finn balor]

I deffo think it’s Kean or Leao 

[Makis]

Not sure if I'm Kean on Leao or Leaoning towards Kean.

[barryj]

23 minutes ago, Makis said:

Not sure if I'm Kean on Leao or Leaoning towards Kean.

Very good!

[plaidharper]

https://www.juventus.com/en/news/news/2019/juventus-signs-exclusive-partnership-with-konami.php

Kean one of the players included on that cover photo for their recently announced deal with PES / Konami.

[Aidan]

No idea how reliable this one is. He's got a tick tho

[Sibdane]

38 minutes ago, Aidan said:

No idea how reliable this one is. He's got a tick tho

I think he's pretty reliable. I recognize the name at least (could be a good or bad thing).

[Aidan]

19 minutes ago, sibdane said:

I think he's pretty reliable. I recognize the name at least (could be a good or bad thing).

Seems a little late to the party... According to other reports we have had a bid rejected and submitted another one yesterday! 

[Finn balor]

I think Pepe will go from Lille which leaves Leao. I wouldn’t want to think they would sell both. Leao could prosper next season and be worth more in the long run. Kean I think is the goer business wise. Juve have spent huge on wages in the last twelve months on Ronaldo, Ramsey, de light, raboit. They need to sell.  £40 mill with a buy back or percentage is a good deal for them 

[Sibdane]

1 minute ago, Finn balor said:

I think Pepe will go from Lille which leaves Leao. I wouldn’t want to think they would sell both. Leao could prosper next season and be worth more in the long run. Kean I think is the goer business wise. Juve have spent huge on wages in the last twelve months on Ronaldo, Ramsey, de light, raboit. They need to sell.  £40 mill with a buy back or percentage is a good deal for them 

That's a good point about the wages.

[barryj]

2 hours ago, Finn balor said:

I think Pepe will go from Lille which leaves Leao. I wouldn’t want to think they would sell both. Leao could prosper next season and be worth more in the long run. Kean I think is the goer business wise. Juve have spent huge on wages in the last twelve months on Ronaldo, Ramsey, de light, raboit. They need to sell.  £40 mill with a buy back or percentage is a good deal for them 

Please let’s have no talk of the buy back!  

[Haiku]

I would accept buy back clause only if it's paired with return clause.

[Btay]

Juve apparently interested in selling now.. Not sure how much longer Brands can wait on this one. 

[SpartyBlue]

4 hours ago, Btay said:

Juve apparently interested in selling now.. Not sure how much longer Brands can wait on this one. 

Being able to buy outright is preferred, of course, but the buyback option isn't terrible. I imagine we'd make 10-15m to take him on for a year. If he's as advertised it might be hard to keep him more than a couple years anyhow. Better than a straight loan.

[Finn balor]

If he only has a year left he can wait till January and then sign a pre- contract with a foreign club so Juve might not have much leverage to force a buy back clause. With Ramsey, raboit, de light being signed recently for huge wages they need to get some money back in the pot

[Finn balor]

One Italian newspaper say the want between £23-£27 million 

[DownUnderToff]

Would do that without hesitation

[Btay]

8 hours ago, Finn balor said:

One Italian newspaper say the want between £23-£27 million 

Would be a good price in this market. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

 

[Matt]

That expression basically summarises my opinion on the whole thing.

[Finn balor]

Think he is the best option out there 

[Elston Gunnn]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig

This says €40m with €60m buy-back.

[Matt]

19 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig

This says €40m with €60m buy-back.

An expensive gamble that. 

[AlbanyNYToffee]

18 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jul/25/everton-moise-kean-juventus-ademola-lookman-rb-leipzig

This says €40m with €60m buy-back.

Fine with that as long as buyback is two years from now. Want him focused this year. 

[Sibdane]

Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards.

[pete0]

The buy back is too low/deal is lopsided. On those terms we're taking on the risk of him not coming good and Juve getting him on the cheap if he does.

Most likely they see him as a player for in 2 years time once Ronaldo will retire. If that's the case I'd ask them to send him to us on a 2 year loan and pay us £20m for helping develop him. That way we have none of the risk and Juve are guaranteed the player is theirs come the time Ronaldo leaves. 

[Sibdane]

I'd prefer a two-year loan with an option to buy for somewhere around 60MM. Lower than that would be great, but if he becomes anywhere near what his potential supposedly is then that would be a steal.

[Aidan]

A buy back clause might as well be called a go backwards clause because that's all it is. 

If Juve don't want to play ball and won't sell him outright let him rot behind the countless strikers Juve have. If the player wants first team football he must push a move for himself otherwise we as a club need to move on and sign another option. 

[markjazzbassist]

hell no, 35m?  this dude had 13 apps in serie A and he's worth that much?  no way.  still unproven in that league not to mention the premier league.  loan to buy with buybacks would be the only way i'd say yes.  we could be saddled with another niasse for all we know.

[SpartyBlue]

2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

hell no, 35m?  this dude had 13 apps in serie A and he's worth that much?  no way.  still unproven in that league not to mention the premier league.  loan to buy with buybacks would be the only way i'd say yes.  we could be saddled with another niasse for all we know.

We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such, we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is a serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. 

[markjazzbassist]

1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said:

We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. 

he's no different than DCL for me, unproven youth, we already have 1 why go with another?  get mandzukic for 2 years for 12m or something and go that route with DCL learning and growing.  makes no sense having 2 unproven young strikers vying for your 1st spot.  we need a go to sure thing

[barryj]

2 hours ago, Sibdane said:

Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards.

Exactly - my point all along. I’d agree that If we decide to sell they have first refusal. 

[Cornish Steve]

4 hours ago, Sibdane said:

Buyback clause is too low. The market is rapidly inflating -- there's no telling how much will change in two years and he could be worth more than that by market standards.

In two years, 60m euros will be about 200 million pounds. 

[SpartyBlue]

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

he's no different than DCL for me, unproven youth, we already have 1 why go with another?  get mandzukic for 2 years for 12m or something and go that route with DCL learning and growing.  makes no sense having 2 unproven young strikers vying for your 1st spot.  we need a go to sure thing

The problem is who fits that bill? How many sure things are out there who significantly improve on DCL and would be willing to come to a club without European football? For me, we have to accept that the spot we are in necessitates taking a bit of a gamble. We aren't going to get the finished article at this point. We are going to have to focus on getting someone talented but young or a situation like Lukaku's where he was 3rd choice and angling for regular starts. Hopefully over the next 2-3 years we will have European football and a new, world-class stadium under construction. At that point we may be able to attract players who have less question marks around them. Until then I think we just have to trust management to make good decisions. 

[Matt]

4 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

We don’t really have the ability to attract elite, proven strikers at this point. As such, we have to take chances on youth (like Kean) or players who are on the outside looking in at their current club (like Lukaku was). By all accounts this kid is a serious talent so I say trust management to exercise good judgement. 

First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. 

[Romey 1878]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. 

Depends which one the management feel has the most scope to be developed. 

Personally, I know fuck all about this Kean and am hopeful over DCL. It all rests on Brands’ and Silva’s judgement I suppose. 

[SpartyBlue]

28 minutes ago, Matt said:

First sentence; so DCL. So either a massive financial gamble on this lad or develop one of our own. Both are gambles (one much less so than the other). I know which one I’d take. 

I like DCL and think he has a chance to develop into a very good all-around striker but I’m not sure you can equate the two. Kean is mentioned alongside some of the best U-20 talent in the world and he has been linked to some of the biggest clubs there are. It’s about as consensus as it gets around here that we need to bring in a striker and that wouldn’t be the case if everyone was confident DCL could do the job. You’re certainly right that it’s a gamble but I’m my opinion  it’s one worth taking. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said:

I like DCL and think he has a chance to develop into a very good all-around striker but I’m not sure you can equate the two. Kean is mentioned alongside some of the best U-20 talent in the world and he has been linked to some of the biggest clubs there are. It’s about as consensus as it gets around here that we need to bring in a striker and that wouldn’t be the case if everyone was confident DCL could do the job. You’re certainly right that it’s a gamble but I’m my opinion  it’s one worth taking. 

DCL has a World/Euro Cup winners medal around that age of competition,  scored the winning goal too I think. I don’t care about the training leagues, for that money he has to be miles above DCL, so it remains an expensive gamble. 

[Finn balor]

Ideally we sell Tosun and niasse, get kean or Leao or better for me dembele who we should have got from Fulham and I’d be up for a older player for a season 

[Btay]

I think if DCL broke out for Juve’s first team last year he’d be going for 30 million. He’s growing into the hardest role - sole centre forward, in the hardest league and he’s doing a damn good job.

[Aidan]

3 minutes ago, Btay said:

I think if DCL broke out for Juve’s first team last year he’d be going for 30 million. He’s growing into the hardest role - sole centre forward, in the hardest league and he’s doing a damn good job.

He's doing an average job. If he was doing a good job we wouldn't be pushing for a starting number 9.