Btay 2,013 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, pete0 said: As C1982 says Iwobi did his job yesterday. I'd add he done well getting the ball to safety after being passed the ball when he had a player breathing down his neck a few times as well. It’s just sad because when he came here he had very high energy levels, would receive it back to goal inside our half and carry us forward. Now he looks slow and absent ideas on how to even get on the ball. I just don’t think he’s a wide player at all - west ham was his best game by far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 8,082 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Btay said: It’s just sad because when he came here he had very high energy levels, would receive it back to goal inside our half and carry us forward. Now he looks slow and absent ideas on how to even get on the ball. I just don’t think he’s a wide player at all - west ham was his best game by far. He would definitely be better in a central diamond formation. Not worried about his stamina, all that will come back and it’s going to have hit most players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 2,013 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Matt said: He would definitely be better in a central diamond formation. Not worried about his stamina, all that will come back and it’s going to have hit most players. Felt like his energy dropped before the break though. Honeslty have no issue with something like this against Norwich as the midfield. Iwobi Gomes Davies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, StevO said: Not even close to Walcott’s level for me. agreed and i'm one of walcott's biggest detractors. Walcott offers pace and running the channels, he may be awful on the ball and at finishing, but he stretches the opposition and gives us width and a runner. iwobi offers nothing except a decent long range shot ala barkley. i have the feeling he was bought for Marco but doesn't fit info Carlo's formation/style at all. I'd be happy to see him sold, we paid like 30m for him! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 hours ago, c1982 said: In his defence - he was playing a ‘defensive’ role yesterday. His role was more of a containing brief which he and mainly Coleman achieved. Had he been fit, Sidibe would have been much better suited. Yes, he was non-existent, but I’d say he put decent effort in a role that he doesn’t really suit at all. 2 hours ago, c1982 said: There is that but if the tactic was to nullify Liverpool’s threat (which most have failed to do), then I think we did it quite well and actually can feel a little unlucky that we didn’t snatch it. Iwobi, ironically, could have been the one to snatch it for us had Richarlison shown more awareness and squared it when Iwobi would have had an open goal to shoot at. He wasn't playing a defensive role. He had to contribute all round. He got far too deep tracking James bloody Milner and then Joe frigging Gomes. This wasn't Robertson rampaging up and down the wing. The problem we had, which he was a part of, was that we couldn't keep the ball. He ended up in what you have described as a "defensive" role because he did more defending than attacking. I was hoping for a much bigger performance from him after the break. He really needs to find some form ASAP. Btay 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,588 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 46 minutes ago, Bailey said: He wasn't playing a defensive role. He had to contribute all round. He got far too deep tracking James bloody Milner and then Joe frigging Gomes. This wasn't Robertson rampaging up and down the wing. The problem we had, which he was a part of, was that we couldn't keep the ball. He ended up in what you have described as a "defensive" role because he did more defending than attacking. I was hoping for a much bigger performance from him after the break. He really needs to find some form ASAP. The whole team did more defending than attacking. It was clearly a tactic to defend, restrict and contain - then maybe try and snatch something on the counter that we very nearly did. I’m not suggesting Iwobi had a good game, I’m just stating that, that isn’t a role/discipline he excels in. It’d be unfair to judge many against this Liverpool team as they’ve made much better players look average. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,588 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, StevO said: Not even close to Walcott’s level for me. As a right winger in a 4-4-2, I’d pick Walcott over Iwobi too. Iwobi excels as an inside forward from the left or free role centrally - maybe he just doesn’t fit into Ancelotti’s Everton. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
duncanmckenzieismagic 5,213 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 9 hours ago, c1982 said: In his defence - he was playing a ‘defensive’ role yesterday. His role was more of a containing brief which he and mainly Coleman achieved. Had he been fit, Sidibe would have been much better suited. Yes, he was non-existent, but I’d say he put decent effort in a role that he doesn’t really suit at all. This also backs up your point https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/carlo-ancelotti-fixed-marco-silvas-18466136 Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 6 hours ago, c1982 said: The whole team did more defending than attacking. It was clearly a tactic to defend, restrict and contain - then maybe try and snatch something on the counter that we very nearly did. I’m not suggesting Iwobi had a good game, I’m just stating that, that isn’t a role/discipline he excels in. It’d be unfair to judge many against this Liverpool team as they’ve made much better players look average. Apologies I have just re-read and realised I mistook "we" for "he" so I see that you weren't excusing his performance. Iwobi is an experienced player now, he has to find a way to transition his game from defence to attack in that 442 role. He got too deep, too often and then when it came to him he was stuck and it felt like the times he did get the ball he gave it away. Like most of the team he did well at cutting the passing lanes but that's a tribute to the manager rather than the player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 1,998 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bailey said: . He got too deep, too often and then when it came to him he was stuck and it felt like the times he did get the ball he gave it away. I noticed similar but for me if he's stuck that means his teammates aren't showing for the ball. Even then when he had nothing on he lost the ball safely giving the team time to regroup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevO 5,769 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 9 hours ago, c1982 said: As a right winger in a 4-4-2, I’d pick Walcott over Iwobi too. Iwobi excels as an inside forward from the left or free role centrally - maybe he just doesn’t fit into Ancelotti’s Everton. I hope you’re right, but I’ve never seen him excel at all in a blue shirt. Bernard can offer more on the left (though he can’t play away from home) and doesn’t seem Carlo wants to play with that central position, so not sure what the future holds for Iwobi right now. Though I can’t see him leaving. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 15 hours ago, pete0 said: I noticed similar but for me if he's stuck that means his teammates aren't showing for the ball. Even then when he had nothing on he lost the ball safely giving the team time to regroup. I don't necessarily agree but I take the point. pete0 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwlad all over 568 Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 I'm trusting Carlo.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,299 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 Picked out as being one of the worst buys of the season. Alex Iwobi: The winger was a breath of fresh air when he burst into the Arsenal team for the first time. However, it was really no surprise to see the north Londoners cash in on a mega £35m for the Nigerian last summer. It's safe to say that the Gunners aren't missing him. Everton royally wasted their money on Iwobi who scored just once and failed to contribute a single assist in 2019/20. He is just 24 but you have to feel he is lacking the potential to make it an adequate level StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 I feel like he has a lot more to give yet. I may well be wrong! Matt, pete0 and MikeO 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chicagoblue 443 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 As others have said, it's a waste of our time and his career to play him wide in a 4-4-2. As with pretty much every midfield we buy, he's another No 10 type. No surprise his best games were where he had the freedom to float a bit and go central. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevO 5,769 Posted July 30, 2020 Report Share Posted July 30, 2020 I’ve not been that impressed in any position with him really. In fact, the last time he impressed me in an Everton game he was wearing an Arsenal shirt. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 12,940 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, StevO said: I’ve not been that impressed in any position with him really. In fact, the last time he impressed me in an Everton game he was wearing an Arsenal shirt. 😂 Pretty tragic that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 hours ago, StevO said: I’ve not been that impressed in any position with him really. In fact, the last time he impressed me in an Everton game he was wearing an Arsenal shirt. Not an iwobi fan either. Sell sell sell Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wiggytop 641 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Not an iwobi fan either. Sell sell sell Hasn’t done enough to warrant staying here, all the frailty he showed at Arsenal came with him. Move on ASAP. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Haiku 331 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 And I'm starting to question Marcel Brands qualities. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barryj 1,171 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 16 hours ago, Bill said: Picked out as being one of the worst buys of the season. Alex Iwobi: The winger was a breath of fresh air when he burst into the Arsenal team for the first time. However, it was really no surprise to see the north Londoners cash in on a mega £35m for the Nigerian last summer. It's safe to say that the Gunners aren't missing him. Everton royally wasted their money on Iwobi who scored just once and failed to contribute a single assist in 2019/20. He is just 24 but you have to feel he is lacking the potential to make it an adequate level Not saying their point isn’t valid but but bad research by journalists immediately makes me switch off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,411 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, he’s definitely got ability I personally think he’s come into a team that lacked any real direction in the midfield with a lot of MF players not up to the standard required, hopefully with some new additions and Ancelotti’s direction we may see what he is capable of. But I maybe completely wrong and he doesn’t improve next season. Sibdane, MikeO, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pete0 1,998 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 At Arsenal he had players round him making runs, playing flowing football. Something out team need to work massively on. Him and Walcott are a level above with the football coaching they've received. They mightn't be as gifted as say bernard but they understand how to play football better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RuffRob 502 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Palfy said: I’m prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt at the moment, he’s definitely got ability I personally think he’s come into a team that lacked any real direction in the midfield with a lot of MF players not up to the standard required, hopefully with some new additions and Ancelotti’s direction we may see what he is capable of. But I maybe completely wrong and he doesn’t improve next season. I agree with this, easy to bash Iwobi, still young and just moved to new club and city. I can understand the signing - a younger more affordable winger than Zaha, with the potential to develop. I think most would suport this strategy. The middle of the park has been painful at time this year, not a platform for any of our wide players to flourish from really. We have been very unlucky with Gbmain and Delph injuries - the two people brought in too toughen up the midfield have been unavailable through injury for most of the season. Although, many performances have not been great. I think it too early too through the towel in yet on Iwobi. MikeO, chicagoblue and London Blue 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 12,940 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 20 hours ago, Bill said: Picked out as being one of the worst buys of the season. Alex Iwobi: The winger was a breath of fresh air when he burst into the Arsenal team for the first time. However, it was really no surprise to see the north Londoners cash in on a mega £35m for the Nigerian last summer. It's safe to say that the Gunners aren't missing him. Everton royally wasted their money on Iwobi who scored just once and failed to contribute a single assist in 2019/20. He is just 24 but you have to feel he is lacking the potential to make it an adequate level It was £28m rising to a possible £34m with add ons according to the BBC. .https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49282957 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 hour ago, pete0 said: At Arsenal he had players round him making runs, playing flowing football. Something out team need to work massively on. Him and Walcott are a level above with the football coaching they've received. They mightn't be as gifted as say bernard but they understand how to play football better. Walcott is one of the worst "thinking" footballers around. All he knows how to do is make forward runs and half of the time he is offside with them. badaids 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Palfy 3,411 Posted July 31, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 56 minutes ago, Bailey said: Walcott is one of the worst "thinking" footballers around. All he knows how to do is make forward runs and half of the time he is offside with them. That’s not the same Walcott I’ve been watching for me his Achilles heel has been his final ball, but his general play has been better than most, he moves and makes himself available he tracks back and helps his RB out, he still has a fair bit of pace and has one the best engines in the team. Strange how we can be so far apart with our opinions on certain players. Shukes, chicagoblue, Steve_E and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 53 minutes ago, Palfy said: That’s not the same Walcott I’ve been watching for me his Achilles heel has been his final ball, but his general play has been better than most, he moves and makes himself available he tracks back and helps his RB out, he still has a fair bit of pace and has one the best engines in the team. Strange how we can be so far apart with our opinions on certain players. He might track back but its a basic command with him, not like Richarlison who sniffs a bit of danger on the counter attack and will be one of the first back. He switches off so often too. A poor final means he either has poor technique or poor decision making and for me he has good technique and therefore again its between the ears. The number of times he gets into good positions and picks the wrong option is far too often. His moves are also on the whole average. He makes good counter attacking moves but he doesn't make "clever" runs. They are runs programmed into him because of his pace. He has no idea how to time them most of the time. A guy with his pack should rarely be offside. I commented on his movement the other day too when he just ran at Kean who was already under a lot of pressure. It was the dumbest things he could have done because Kean could have passed the ball to him, he blocked off a deeper ball to the full back and he dragged another defender to box Kean out. I remember someone commented on Kean losing the ball but he had nothing on because of Walcott being thick as shit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,299 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, MikeO said: It was £28m rising to a possible £34m with add ons according to the BBC. .https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49282957 Don't shoot the Messenger Mike, they're not my words. 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MikeO 12,940 Posted July 31, 2020 Report Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bill said: Don't shoot the Messenger Mike, they're not my words. 😀 Can if I want😂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,593 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Rumours that he's homesick and we're trying to find him a move to a London club. We're going to take a big hit on his fee if it's true. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Swap deal for Zaha. I was surprised that he wasn't on the bench yesterday however its hard to get on that bench now! Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevO 5,769 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 36 minutes ago, Bailey said: Swap deal for Zaha. I was surprised that he wasn't on the bench yesterday however its hard to get on that bench now! My thoughts exactly. If we could involve him in a deal like that it would be brilliant. Bailey 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wiggytop 641 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Thought he was out injured with thigh stain yesterday, but PX with Zaha would be a good move for us. London Blue 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 2,013 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Homesick or seen he has a real fight on his hands getting into the 11 and doesn’t fancy it? Seen loads of videos of him involved with the likes of DCL & Bolasie pre season having a good time so it raise suspicions. Would rather see Gordon develop this season anyways. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MC11 1,200 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 Team was so balanced yesterday. Do we really want him in that side? markjazzbassist and StevO 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, Btay said: Homesick or seen he has a real fight on his hands getting into the 11 and doesn’t fancy it? Seen loads of videos of him involved with the likes of DCL & Bolasie pre season having a good time so it raise suspicions. Would rather see Gordon develop this season anyways. 45 minutes ago, MC11 said: Team was so balanced yesterday. Do we really want him in that side? Both of these. Just sell him and take the loss and move on. He will barely even see cup action in this side. Walcott and Bernard and Gordon all ahead of him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Thought he was out injured with thigh stain yesterday, but PX with Zaha would be a good move for us. He may have, just hadn't seen a reason. Still tough making the bench. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
c1982 2,588 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 So frustrating today - he had a massive chance to show his worth but poor. He just always wanted an extra 2 or 3 touches and that really killed off anything that could have been positive in an attacking sense. We lose too much with Richarlison out and Iwobi filling in - I still think he’s a decent enough player but it just wasn’t for him today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
badaids 571 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 He had plenty of the ball early on but was completely useless with it - decision making and situational awareness absolutely appalling. He's had enough chances - hate to say it but he should be shipped out. Big to fill Richi's shoes - but Gordon should have started today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 He just takes too long to make decisions. Having said that, he was as "good" as any other winger we played so it certainly wasn't just him that was crap. If anything, he was involved in our brightest moments in the first half... and some of our worst. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 Never rated him, sad to be proved right. Just get rid. I’d rather seen Gordon and Bernard on the bench then him. AlbanyNYToffee 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RuffRob 502 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 think most had poor games not just Awobi, so do feel for him a bit, the team has been playing well until today. but didn't help himself either. when he's not playing well, he can look particular bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wiggytop 641 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 Poor again today, there’s only been a few glimpses of any quality to make me want him to stay, happy for him to I’ve on and we let Gordon develop. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,593 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 He's wank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aidan 2,228 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 £25m Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Aidan said: £25m Yeah him and delph the biggest knocks against brands Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MC11 1,200 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 It’s not looking good at all. He’s a big strong lad should be doing a lot more. For some reason I feel he’d be more effective as a striker but that just might be my hunch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StevO 5,769 Posted October 25, 2020 Report Share Posted October 25, 2020 He’s strong, quick, can beat a man, but never when you actually need him to do it. Not good enough. MC11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,610 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Should have part exchanged him for Zaha. MC11 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 3,165 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 The good news is he is Still very young and someone Will take a punt on him. His wages aren’t terrible if I remember correctly, so I’m sure we can sell him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,593 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Hafnia said: Should have part exchanged him for Zaha. Maybe Palace weren't stupid enough and laughed at us. Btay 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 2,013 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 Incredible how much he’s regressed. When he arrived, his strength was to get the ball and drive forward with it and carry us up the pitch. He’s completely lost any confidence to do so and his work rate has dropped so much it’s incredible. Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,593 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 After being able to think about it over night I've reconsidered my view of him... he's really wank. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tonsta 67 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 He is a well built, athletic, strong lad, and he tackles like siggy, time to get rid he is not going to get better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,610 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Maybe Palace weren't stupid enough and laughed at us. I think Zaha is in a place where he would force the issue.... Potentially justified too. I think he was promised a move..... You never know... In Jan it could happen...... Highly unlikely though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,593 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 51 minutes ago, Hafnia said: I think Zaha is in a place where he would force the issue.... Potentially justified too. I think he was promised a move..... You never know... In Jan it could happen...... Highly unlikely though. That doesn’t mean they’ll take our shite, he can’t force that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,610 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: That doesn’t mean they’ll take our shite, he can’t force that. That's where he will earn his big bucks..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,954 Posted October 26, 2020 Report Share Posted October 26, 2020 He has a case of the Ross Barkley's for me... Has all the physical and technical attributes to be a top player but lacks the most important bit between the ears. He was worth the punt but it hasn't worked out and I can only ever really see him coming good in patches when he has a run of games with his confidence is up. Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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