MikeO Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, London Blue said: I agree that's his best position I think. Based on Wednesday his best position is sat in the main stand in a suit. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 hours ago, MikeO said: Based on Wednesday his best position is sat in the main stand in a suit. Or left back.......... on the bus as the old joke goes MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted December 20, 2019 Report Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Wiggytop said: Or left back.......... on the bus as the old joke goes That’s unfair mate. Its right back..... in the changing room. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Doesn’t count now that most seem to be seeing the same thing but I have never once been impressed by anything Iwobi has done. He’s usually the most direct player but nothing even seems to come from it. Not willing to give him credit for that regardless of how poor the rest of the team is playing. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 If Carlo wants 4-4-2 I seriously can’t see him fitting in. I don’t think he has the engine to play that way chicagoblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Finn balor said: If Carlo wants 4-4-2 I seriously can’t see him fitting in. I don’t think he has the engine to play that way Ancelotti's dissertation at University was based around the 4-4-2 formation which tells you everything you need to know about his views on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it used going forward, especially considering our best performances under Ferguson came with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 4-4-2 is seen as old school these days. I’m sure the don knows his ideal formation but he has to have the players for that. 4-4-2 was how we had our best years and Ferguson at united thrived. We get neres and a good midfielder in jan and we will be pushing top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 442 isn't one formation. It's got many variations. Look at Leicester City in their title winning season compared to Burnley right now, completely different. Or even Athleticos narrow 442 which is highly successful. Ancelotti has set up with many formations with different teams (or so I have read), so no guarantee he will set up 442 here. MC11, markjazzbassist and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I’d fully expect Carlo to use whatever formation he sees as the best for the players he has available to him. Full trust that he’ll get it right. Romey 1878 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Let’s face it. This guy is one of the most decorated managers of all time. He’s risking a lot. He could go to China and be forgotten about for a lot more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 I hope we can recoup his value. This is a brands dud for me, I never wanted him and he’s done nothing to prove he has talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 His AC Milan side was known for a diamond midfield. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: I hope we can recoup his value. This is a brands dud for me, I never wanted him and he’s done nothing to prove he has talent. I’m assuming you have posted this in the wrong section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I hope we can recoup his value. This is a brands dud for me, I never wanted him and he’s done nothing to prove he has talent. Good old Mark! Can’t believe you’ve written him off already! plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 9 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I hope we can recoup his value. This is a brands dud for me, I never wanted him and he’s done nothing to prove he has talent. 8 hours ago, Finn balor said: I’m assuming you have posted this in the wrong section If it is Iwobi related this is the Iwobi thread, them MJB is right, and I agree, he’s not doing it for me at all, all huff and puff without any end result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 23, 2019 Report Share Posted December 23, 2019 12 hours ago, barryj said: Good old Mark! Can’t believe you’ve written him off already! Same with Walcott I wrote them off before they came here. I love brands but this signing was a head scratcher for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 24, 2019 Report Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 22/12/2019 at 21:34, Zoo 2.0 said: Ancelotti's dissertation at University was based around the 4-4-2 formation which tells you everything you need to know about his views on it. I wouldn't be surprised to see it used going forward, especially considering our best performances under Ferguson came with it. On 22/12/2019 at 21:39, Finn balor said: 4-4-2 is seen as old school these days. I’m sure the don knows his ideal formation but he has to have the players for that. 4-4-2 was how we had our best years and Ferguson at united thrived. We get neres and a good midfielder in jan and we will be pushing top 8 Finn touches on this for me. Regardless of formation Ancelotti isn't going to be playing "punt and run" as MJB puts it. He is going to want to play with possession and with accuracy. Napoli had an average of 56.2% this season and 87% accuracy. We aren't going to be able to get anywhere near that with the midfield players we have, even more so with just two of them. The only one that has any real quality on the ball is one of the first names people want out of the team. Whatever we saw under Ferguson is going to be nothing like what we see under Ancelotti. StevO and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 not sure what this guy offers but in for yet another match he offered nothing. i'm not a fan of this guy, i would like to see him sold. what attributes does he have? he doesn't seem pacey, not a goal scorer, not really an assist machine, other than being a warm body what does he give us? Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 No fault of his own as he tries hard enough and has a decent touch ect, but he just isn’t effective for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 I thought he played well, he cut in and made some good passes, had a couple of shots, promising considering he just came back from injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, London Blue said: I thought he played well, he cut in and made some good passes, had a couple of shots, promising considering he just came back from injury. he played the last match as well and had 2 weeks in between there. i wouldn't say he "just came back" from injury. he's been back for a month now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 He was below average for me which could be down to game time and lack of fitness, and we have seen much better from him in the past. His shooting was wank which as nothing to do with the above, he needs to work on that part of his game with extra hours on the training ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: he played the last match as well and had 2 weeks in between there. i wouldn't say he "just came back" from injury. he's been back for a month now. Takes a while to get back match fitness and sharpness, can only do that playing real games. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 He looked good the first couple of games he played. I think he's a useful player to have around and could improve London Blue and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 24, 2020 Report Share Posted February 24, 2020 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: not sure what this guy offers but in for yet another match he offered nothing. i'm not a fan of this guy, i would like to see him sold. what attributes does he have? he doesn't seem pacey, not a goal scorer, not really an assist machine, other than being a warm body what does he give us? The only issue when you want a player sold is you need to find a buyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 4 hours ago, StevO said: The only issue when you want a player sold is you need to find a buyer. Agreed. He’s young enough if Carlo doesn’t want him we can still get close to what we paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 25, 2020 Report Share Posted February 25, 2020 21 hours ago, Shukes said: No fault of his own as he tries hard enough and has a decent touch ect, but he just isn’t effective for me. This for me. He isn't involved enough in games. He works hard, has good technique, he finds decent pockets of space but he often doesn't do a lot when he is there with his final ball or shot. Physically he is strong, quick but not rapid. I see bits of a player there but it just doesn't seem to come together. Maybe a confidence issue too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 26, 2020 Report Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 26/02/2020 at 00:58, Bailey said: This for me. He isn't involved enough in games. He works hard, has good technique, he finds decent pockets of space but he often doesn't do a lot when he is there with his final ball or shot. Physically he is strong, quick but not rapid. I see bits of a player there but it just doesn't seem to come together. Maybe a confidence issue too. West ham at Goodison was his best game. Played central, found space and played on the half turn. He isn’t a traditional winger, needs to play inside off the wing. Whats most alarming is his work rate has gone completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Btay said: West ham at Goodison was his best game. Played central, found space and played on the half turn. He isn’t a traditional winger, needs to play inside off the wing. Whats most alarming is his work rate has gone completely. I agree about his position. He is similar to Bernard in that if they are left on the wing you won't see them involved in the game. I'm a fine one to talk but I always think he looks a bit 'heavy' too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 27, 2020 Report Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, Bailey said: I agree about his position. He is similar to Bernard in that if they are left on the wing you won't see them involved in the game. I'm a fine one to talk but I always think he looks a bit 'heavy' too. He’s strong, I see him similarly to the Ox at Liverpool and think he would be best in a midfield 3 but our current formation doesn’t allow that. Its a transition for him right now, no longer the kid at Arsenal - he needs to improve and I’m sure he knows it but he has time in my eyes. Really wish he would work on his shooting though... Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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