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21 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

This would be such an odd move for us to make. Why sign a youngster on loan when they would barely play for us?

Given Mina’s injury track record there is every chance he would get plenty of minutes for us, especially if Silva wants to use 3 CB’s in a 3-5-2 or 5-4-1 formation

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9 hours ago, Shukes said:

Carlo isn’t going to bid for Zouma. He is looking for either young players with potential, or experienced players that can improve our team.

This move makes sense, bring him here, show him some love and test him out.

We’ve got young centre backs with potential. 

As good as this guy might be, I don’t really see the point in him coming here for a year and taking minutes away from our young centre backs only to go back to chelsea a better player.

 

If we sign any centre back, they need to be a first teamer and ours.

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12 hours ago, Btay said:

We’ve got young centre backs with potential. 

As good as this guy might be, I don’t really see the point in him coming here for a year and taking minutes away from our young centre backs only to go back to chelsea a better player.

 

If we sign any centre back, they need to be a first teamer and ours.

Good point also.

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15 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Think he's further along than Pennington or Branthwaite.  See those two going on loan and so one more coming in to cover for a year makes sense (having shit the bed on Gabriel when covid happened)

See you switched my mind again haha. Sending those two out on loan to gain valuable experience could be good, if this lad is further along and can make an impact on our first team.

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Just now, Bailey said:

Maybe it is cover so that our own young lads can play every week on loan like we did with Sidibe and Kenny? 

Why not let someone else's kid rot on our bench whilst ours are playing regularly elsewhere. 

But he's going out on loan to play. I'd be surprised if he gets much game time here, so I don't know what Chelsea or Tomori are thinking.

It's make sense for us, but not them IMO.

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Absolutely need 4 senior CBs. Someone is always hurt, in our case usually Mina, but for instance right now Holgate is facing a few weeks out. Get Gibson and Branthwaite on loan in the Championship and if Tomori provides cover on the bench that is Chelsea's problem not ours. Plus with the way Keane runs hot and cold Tomori has a real shot to play, just like Zouma. 

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2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

But he's going out on loan to play. I'd be surprised if he gets much game time here, so I don't know what Chelsea or Tomori are thinking.

It's make sense for us, but not them IMO.

Yeh definitely, it would be silly business by them unless of course he ends up being that good that he does become a starting CB. Then it will be win-win.

As someone has said before, we have to face that Mina isn't going to stay fit all season and Holgate is likely to be out early doors. There will be game time for either one of our young lads or for someone on loan however between the three of them (Mina, Holgate and Keane) they should see the lionshare of game time so it will only be scraps. It comes down to whether you believe playing regularly on loan is better than playing occasionally for the first team but training with them every day.

Speaking of Holgate has anyone seen an update on him yet?

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Honestly, I’d love to test Branthwaite. Worst case is he goes on loan January. 

Personally I would be less keen to do this. If the window shuts and we have 2 injured CBs, Keane and two young lads then all the hard work we have done in the window to strengthen midfield could be undone.

I like the look of Branthwaite and Gibson and I hope they go on to do well here but its inevitable they will make mistakes and cost us goals simply due to inexperience. Personally I would rather they do that somewhere else and get a full season of mens football under their belts. 

There is no right or wrong in this though, they could flourish in the first team or not play enough on loan. Its why Brands gets paid the big bucks! 

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Tomori would be good if we had an option to buy, which i doubt will happen. They now have 5 cbs (6 if you include Azpilicueta) although Silva will only play a season or two at most - which may make Chelsea reluctant to lose Tomori on a permanent deal. 

This!

If he comes and he’s good, we have to buy him. We can’t have the situation where Zouma went back and we were short again. 

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Read this comment on a site and couldn't really agree more:

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Needs more playing time and not another loan. Great on the ball and makes incisive passes into midfield and the wingers checking in. Also gets in front of players when running onto a ball and shields it well (away vs Ajax for example)/ Would form an outstanding partnership with Thiago Silva when Lampard eventually goes through his rotation of center backs throughout the season to find the best pairing with Silva.

 

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6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I really don't get the thinking behind this.

Unless we're selling Mina, which seems very unlikely.

I see it as Keane, Mina, Holgate and Tomori being our 4 cbs.
 

I would prefer Tomori be a bit part player here and Gibson/Branthwaite be playing every week at Championship level for a year. In an odd way, this signing gives Gibson/Branthwaite more opportunities long term. Chances of us signing Tomori long-term are slim but maybe we don’t actually need him beyond this season as one of our youngsters could come back ‘ready’ next season. Could prove a smart move.

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1 hour ago, c1982 said:

I see it as Keane, Mina, Holgate and Tomori being our 4 cbs.
 

I would prefer Tomori be a bit part player here and Gibson/Branthwaite be playing every week at Championship level for a year. In an odd way, this signing gives Gibson/Branthwaite more opportunities long term. Chances of us signing Tomori long-term are slim but maybe we don’t actually need him beyond this season as one of our youngsters could come back ‘ready’ next season. Could prove a smart move.

I'm slowly coming around to this one. Mina hasn't exactly shown to be the most fit and Tomori has more experience in the fist team than Gibson/Branthwaite. I'd rather them go out and get more consistent time playing. 

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2 hours ago, c1982 said:

I see it as Keane, Mina, Holgate and Tomori being our 4 cbs.
 

I would prefer Tomori be a bit part player here and Gibson/Branthwaite be playing every week at Championship level for a year. In an odd way, this signing gives Gibson/Branthwaite more opportunities long term. Chances of us signing Tomori long-term are slim but maybe we don’t actually need him beyond this season as one of our youngsters could come back ‘ready’ next season. Could prove a smart move.

Like I said, it makes sense on our part but not for Tomori or Chelsea.

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4 hours ago, c1982 said:

I see it as Keane, Mina, Holgate and Tomori being our 4 cbs.
 

I would prefer Tomori be a bit part player here and Gibson/Branthwaite be playing every week at Championship level for a year. In an odd way, this signing gives Gibson/Branthwaite more opportunities long term. Chances of us signing Tomori long-term are slim but maybe we don’t actually need him beyond this season as one of our youngsters could come back ‘ready’ next season. Could prove a smart move.

More or less this is exactly what happened with Zouma and Holgate. 

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This is proving to be an awesome transfer window. I've said little about our deals over the past few years because I would have sounded unduly negative; other than Kean, I was not particularly struck by any of them. This time around, though, I'm pleased with every single one of them. Very well done, Everton.

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