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43 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Grand delusions aside.... do you think we could afford, let alone they would come to us, players of that level?

Maybe your right and we should just sell Rodriguez.

Personally I think he is the type of player that we need on the pitch. Today is a great example of what I mean. 
Was it a shit assist by Rodriguez, or a bad miss from Sigurdson?

Where did I ever say sell him? And where did I say we could afford players like that, obviously you completely missed my point which is no one is to good not to put a shift in and defend for the team for 90 minutes as Keown said no team in the PL can afford to carry players. No it was a great pass and an equally good save, for me no player no matter how good he or his manager thinks he is should be allowed not to work hard in all areas for the team, and no matter what you or anyone tells me I will never accept that that should be allowed by anyone in any team, Everton are a team not James and 10 others they all have to pull their weight. 

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Hello from Colombia.. I leave my creation in honor of  King James and the club. Everton win the premiere league this season..certified.  

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/everton-transfer-james-rodriguez-plans-18895190   Very encouraging that it appears like the marketing boys are on to this already

Guy is just class, if we can’t allow for one special player to relax defensive duties there’s something wrong. Not a chance he should be left out. If he’s fit he plays.   

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56 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Where did I ever say sell him? And where did I say we could afford players like that, obviously you completely missed my point which is no one is to good not to put a shift in and defend for the team for 90 minutes as Keown said no team in the PL can afford to carry players. No it was a great pass and an equally good save, for me no player no matter how good he or his manager thinks he is should be allowed not to work hard in all areas for the team, and no matter what you or anyone tells me I will never accept that that should be allowed by anyone in any team, Everton are a team not James and 10 others they all have to pull their weight. 

Where did I ever say you said sell him?

Palf, you gotta start to realise this is a forum with a lot of memebers.... it’s not the Palfy show!

Not all about you mate.

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4 hours ago, Shukes said:

Where did I ever say you said sell him?

Palf, you gotta start to realise this is a forum with a lot of memebers.... it’s not the Palfy show!

Not all about you mate.

Just responding to your posts mate after all isn’t that the idea of a forum, I certainly don’t think it’s all about me but if that’s how you feel I’ll keep away from what you say in the future, obviously I’ve upset you somewhere. 

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9 hours ago, Palfy said:

Just responding to your posts mate after all isn’t that the idea of a forum, I certainly don’t think it’s all about me but if that’s how you feel I’ll keep away from what you say in the future, obviously I’ve upset you somewhere. 

Haha in no way have you upset me mate, I’m just teasing mate.

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He’s SO good going forward that I accept that he’s not the best defensively/tracking someone. It’s not lack of effort/attitude - maybe he knows what his body can/can’t do. Look at Delph yesterday - James is less likely to pull up like that as he rarely sprints! James is a match winner - he will provide moments of magic in every match - when they’re finished off (and we win) he’s hailed a genius... when they’re not, people tend to notice that he failed to track Dwight McNeil’s run in the 85th minute...

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18 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Haha in no way have you upset me mate, I’m just teasing mate.

👍 had me going there, I’m going to lay off the James crap for a bit I’m letting what I see as his negatives hide his positives, of which you have righty pointed out he has many. 
That’s more down to us as a team not hitting the heights of a few weeks ago, but I trust Ancelotti and I’m sure we will get back to winning ways very soon Chelsea would be nice. 
And by the way your still a wanker 😂

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11 minutes ago, Palfy said:

👍 had me going there, I’m going to lay off the James crap for a bit I’m letting what I see as his negatives hide his positives, of which you have righty pointed out he has many. 
That’s more down to us as a team not hitting the heights of a few weeks ago, but I trust Ancelotti and I’m sure we will get back to winning ways very soon Chelsea would be nice. 
And by the way your still a wanker 😂

I am mate haha. 
But I’m just as guilty as seeing it the opposite way if I’m honest. I see him do those little drag back and quick passes and it blows my mind, so I don’t notice him being lazy as much.

I think I’m willing him to do something special so much, I kinda gloss over the bad parts.

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On 05/12/2020 at 14:52, Bailey said:

😂

Those "concrete" stats also don't tell you the whole story though. A bad pass that gets to his man is still a completed pass. A shot from 50 yards out that dribbles to the keeper is still a shot on target. 

I like XG because it gives you a predicted output and therefore gives more insight behind the basic stats. 

As with all stats though they require you to watch the game and make up your own conclusions. Any stat is just there to support or contradict a view and IMO should never be used on its own. 

I would also say that using stats is also a good way to see if what you thought you saw was correct. We are all guilty of our subconscious biases!

The first two paragraphs show the difference. As much as a stat will never show you everything, it still shows a completed pass was a completed pass. 
xG shows a prediction. 
Plenty of people predicted we would beat Burnley, but a prediction is still just a prediction. 

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On 05/12/2020 at 16:14, Bailey said:

I thought James got stuck in a lot more today in fairness to him. His contribution going forward was significant too. 

He is another that suits playing in the 433 formation more than with the 5 at the back.

This. Though we were much better when we moved to a three and Gomes came on. James was much more effective with Gomes and Doucoure linking up with him a bit more. If Gylfi scores then James helps win the game with a brilliant pass. 

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9 hours ago, c1982 said:

He’s SO good going forward that I accept that he’s not the best defensively/tracking someone. It’s not lack of effort/attitude - maybe he knows what his body can/can’t do. Look at Delph yesterday - James is less likely to pull up like that as he rarely sprints! James is a match winner - he will provide moments of magic in every match - when they’re finished off (and we win) he’s hailed a genius... when they’re not, people tend to notice that he failed to track Dwight McNeil’s run in the 85th minute...

We aren’t used to having a player with such talent 😂

He was much more effective with Doucoure next to him and more importantly Coleman behind him. 
It was clear at the start of the season that Coleman was aware he wasn’t going to have James tracking back, but he was also very aware his job was to protect him and provide him with the ball. Tackles would go in on him and Coleman would be in the, and then you could hear him shouting all the way though most games “give it James”. 

players will accept a player not working so hard defensively if they do the business at the other end. Even when we had Lukaku, didn’t hear the rest of the team complain about him not working hard. They were concerned with his contribution at the other end. Different players can offer a different contribution. James has to create chances, and it seems that even when we play shit he still does that. 

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15 hours ago, c1982 said:

He’s SO good going forward that I accept that he’s not the best defensively/tracking someone. It’s not lack of effort/attitude - maybe he knows what his body can/can’t do. Look at Delph yesterday - James is less likely to pull up like that as he rarely sprints! James is a match winner - he will provide moments of magic in every match - when they’re finished off (and we win) he’s hailed a genius... when they’re not, people tend to notice that he failed to track Dwight McNeil’s run in the 85th minute...

Delph was sprinting!? ;)

 

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

Great post in the echo on James and his form. 
Detailing exactly what I have been saying recently. 
 

Can’t work out how to link it haha. But one stat... in the last three games he has been credited with 14 shot creating passes.

Three short from the 17 he created in the first three games....... that’s how bad he has been recently.

The article explains how short sighted it is to base form on assists, as an assist is relying on the prowess of the finisher. Take Gylfi and his chance as a great example of this.

I do think most our South Americans have struggled since the international breaks. Only highlights how ridiculous it is to have them during this season. Surely there’s another more logical option.

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

Great post in the echo on James and his form. 
Detailing exactly what I have been saying recently. 
 

Can’t work out how to link it haha. But one stat... in the last three games he has been credited with 14 shot creating passes.

Three short from the 17 he created in the first three games....... that’s how bad he has been recently.

The article explains how short sighted it is to base form on assists, as an assist is relying on the prowess of the finisher. Take Gylfi and his chance as a great example of this.

That is why xG is better than the basic assist stat 😜

 

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3 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i think gylfi and james will work well together.  it's all on one of them to be creative, having both in the side will offer an outlet if they decide to go hard at James.

Who would you take out to put James in without it being Gylfi? Iwobi maybe?

For me if James comes back in he needs support around him, and I don’t think we could have that with Gylfi being in there too. 

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14 minutes ago, StevO said:

Who would you take out to put James in without it being Gylfi? Iwobi maybe?

For me if James comes back in he needs support around him, and I don’t think we could have that with Gylfi being in there too. 

iwobi, that is the only position he has played with us, clearly that's where carlo wants him.  gylfi stays where he is.  

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3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

No, if Gyfli stays in it has to be him that moves out of the number 10 position.

yes, james plays as a forward on the right, he has never been the 10.  not sure why romey "don't change the formation when it's working" wants to all of a sudden change the formation.  bit ironic though

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

yes, james plays as a forward on the right, he has never been the 10.  not sure why romey "don't change the formation when it's working" wants to all of a sudden change the formation.  bit ironic though

It was the amount of personnel changes that I had an issue with but you crack on with chatting shite. You do it very well. 
 

We’re lacking creativity further up the pitch and James gives that. He’s a better player than Gylfi and people seem to be concerned about his lack of defensive work. He’s worth changing things for. Ffs, it’s Sheffield United next. If you can’t push a little bit more there then you may as well give up. 

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I don’t know to much about Sheffield this season bar there playing shite, I haven’t seen any of there games so don’t no how they try to attack teams,

But if James is to play I would want him in a forward midfield position in the centre of the park for me Iwobi on the right works better than James being there, and James does his best work when he gets in a more central position. 

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Along with Allan, made the Whoscored  XI of best new signings in the premier league.

Allan was the signing Everton desperately needed by James Rodriguez's move from Real Madrid to Goodison Park was certainly the most eye-catching. In fact, it's arguably one of the most remarkable transfers in Premier League history. Rodriguez was an instant hit with the Everton fans and has six goal involvements in his first 10 league appearances. Of players to have started more than five league games this season, only Kevin De Bruyne (one every 101.2 minutes) is creating a clear-cut opportunity more frequently than Rodriguez (every 120.7 mins).

https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/xgVnUJlqiEGkUCgIi1KHzg/Show/Chelseas-Thiago-Silva-makes-best-new-signings-Premier-League-XI

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14 hours ago, Palfy said:

I don’t know to much about Sheffield this season bar there playing shite, I haven’t seen any of there games so don’t no how they try to attack teams,

But if James is to play I would want him in a forward midfield position in the centre of the park for me Iwobi on the right works better than James being there, and James does his best work when he gets in a more central position. 

As much as I agree with this, James playing on the right creates the extra space in the middle for him to run into and do some damage. If he plays centrally a midfielder can sit on him and reduce his threat. A full back won’t follow him into the middle and gives him more time on the ball before a midfielder picks him up. 
I want him in the middle creating chances, but when his starting position is on the right it gives him a great platform. 

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7 minutes ago, StevO said:

As much as I agree with this, James playing on the right creates the extra space in the middle for him to run into and do some damage. If he plays centrally a midfielder can sit on him and reduce his threat. A full back won’t follow him into the middle and gives him more time on the ball before a midfielder picks him up. 
I want him in the middle creating chances, but when his starting position is on the right it gives him a great platform. 

You make some really good points, my reasoning for wanting him to be more central than on the right I didn’t say so in my previous post bar Iwobi is good on the right and his better work is when he’s more central, is that it may release him from the burden of having to defend which way know he doesn’t like doing so much, and Iwobi does really well, just a thought that that may suit his game better we know he hurts teams in a forward position and with his vision from a central position he can spread the play better.

But I’m hearing he still isn’t going to be ready for tomorrow which could be a massive miss if Richarlison doesn’t make it. 

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9 hours ago, Palfy said:

You make some really good points, my reasoning for wanting him to be more central than on the right I didn’t say so in my previous post bar Iwobi is good on the right and his better work is when he’s more central, is that it may release him from the burden of having to defend which way know he doesn’t like doing so much, and Iwobi does really well, just a thought that that may suit his game better we know he hurts teams in a forward position and with his vision from a central position he can spread the play better.

But I’m hearing he still isn’t going to be ready for tomorrow which could be a massive miss if Richarlison doesn’t make it. 

I get that Palfy, I’d be worried if we did that with only Doucoure and one other in the middle. 
 

I think we’ll see him back for West Ham. I hope so anyway as I’ve got a ticket. 

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For me having James in the centre in the role Siggy currently plays is the best position for him to be in. 

If he plays there he can dictate play better than he can from the right, even if he drifts inside. He has more passing options, and a better view of the game.

It means we can have a proper winger on the right, like Iwobi who can get forward and whip the ball in and pull defenders out of position. It also means that the right back is not isolated as Iwobi will get back to defend.

Yes we lose Siggys defensive efforts in the centre of midfield, but although he has been better recently in harassing and defending and played really well, Allan he is not. We wont lose that much defensively, and we gain loads offensively. Most teams will also leave a player or two man marking James as they cannot let him get the ball when we break.

I think we have to trust Allan and Doucoure to manage the midfield, and work with the much improved defence of Keane and Mina.

 

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18 minutes ago, London Blue said:

For me having James in the centre in the role Siggy currently plays is the best position for him to be in. 

If he plays there he can dictate play better than he can from the right, even if he drifts inside. He has more passing options, and a better view of the game.

It means we can have a proper winger on the right, like Iwobi who can get forward and whip the ball in and pull defenders out of position. It also means that the right back is not isolated as Iwobi will get back to defend.

Yes we lose Siggys defensive efforts in the centre of midfield, but although he has been better recently in harassing and defending and played really well, Allan he is not. We wont lose that much defensively, and we gain loads offensively. Most teams will also leave a player or two man marking James as they cannot let him get the ball when we break.

I think we have to trust Allan and Doucoure to manage the midfield, and work with the much improved defence of Keane and Mina.

I agree with most of that with the exception of Iwobi being a "proper" winger. I've rarely see somebody with a physique that looks less like a winger, great wingers are slight and nippy....he looks more like a body buider.

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I think James playing in the Siggy role would create more defensive pressure on us. 

Siggy does get through a fair amount of graft and if you took that out of the side, you have 4 midfield / forwards upfield with only 2 sitting. I then think you stifle Doucoure a bit more. 

I think the front 3 has enough quality to do the damage on their own that they don't need to add another player into the mix. Then if you have 3 in midfield they can cover each other and for the two wide men if they get caught forward. I just think we have to be a bit more alive to the fact that teams will target that side. 

After all if they are attacking down our right, it means there is more space for James to exploit when we win the ball. Think of it like bait!

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26 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I think James playing in the Siggy role would create more defensive pressure on us. 

Siggy does get through a fair amount of graft and if you took that out of the side, you have 4 midfield / forwards upfield with only 2 sitting. I then think you stifle Doucoure a bit more. 

I think the front 3 has enough quality to do the damage on their own that they don't need to add another player into the mix. Then if you have 3 in midfield they can cover each other and for the two wide men if they get caught forward. I just think we have to be a bit more alive to the fact that teams will target that side. 

After all if they are attacking down our right, it means there is more space for James to exploit when we win the ball. Think of it like bait!

If you have a very good 10 who doesn’t follow to far back you force the team you are playing against to leave a player or players to hold and cover their position, but not so much out wide a full back would be comfortably to pass a wide player  and help double up on the opposite full back, we’ve witnessed that with James and it’s cost us, but midfielders are less likely to leave opposition midfielders unmarked in a high central position, especially when that midfielder as the ability of James. 
Which in turn helps the 2 holding midfielders and the 2 central defenders by restricting the opposition’s midfield getting forward in mass. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

If you have a very good 10 who doesn’t follow to far back you force the team you are playing against to leave a player or players to hold and cover their position, but not so much out wide a full back would be comfortably to pass a wide player  and help double up on the opposite full back, we’ve witnessed that with James and it’s cost us, but midfielders are less likely to leave opposition midfielders unmarked in a high central position, especially when that midfielder as the ability of James. 
Which in turn helps the 2 holding midfielders and the 2 central defenders by restricting the opposition’s midfield getting forward in mass. 

Maybe, maybe not. I think it depends who you play against. Most sides have that defensive player anyway so you won't gain any real tactical advantage. 

I agree with you that it has caused us a few defensive problems, but there were other factors in those problems. We have also created plenty of chances by winning the ball and then feeding James in space because the full back isnt in position. 

Maybe it should be horses for courses! 

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4 hours ago, Bailey said:

Maybe, maybe not. I think it depends who you play against. Most sides have that defensive player anyway so you won't gain any real tactical advantage. 

This is why I prefer him playing off the right. When he sees the space inside he can come in and make the most of it. He’s quick enough to do something brilliant before the full back has passed him over to the midfield, and if the full back sticks with him it leaves plenty of space out wide for our full back to get in there. 

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23 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i'm really starting to wonder about this injury, he's missed 4 matches (this will be his 5th) and has been out for a month.  anyone know if he is training?

Carlo said he was in individual training before the City game, don't know if he's said he's joined the team in today's press conference.

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19 minutes ago, StevO said:

We didn’t expect him to be fit for every game, just got to get the most out of him when he is fit again. Hopefully makes a big difference when he’s back. 

yes i agree. but the injury was never given a timetable of when he would be back, we just hear each week "he's out" with no severity or update on what this "calf injury" (that's all we've been told) is.  as romey stated, he is doing individual sessions.  Carlo just said Allan is doing individual sessions and is expected back end of january.  so i'm just wondering what is the ETA of james.  i don't think it's nefarious, just wondering when he will be back!  i love the guy and want to see a football at his feet

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Ancelotti confirms that James is in poor form and hopes he might regain some form against Rotherham. 
For me that’s a very worrying statement it brings in to doubt his desire to play in this country, he started off bright in his first 3-4 games, and then fell off a cliff performance wise. 
Having watched all his games I have to say he doesn’t look happy he doesn’t look like a player who wants to be here, this is a tough league in a tough environment let’s be honest Liverpool isn’t Madrid, I genuinely feel this is a head and heart thing and not an ability issue. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Ancelotti confirms that James is in poor form and hopes he might regain some form against Rotherham. 
For me that’s a very worrying statement it brings in to doubt his desire to play in this country, he started off bright in his first 3-4 games, and then fell off a cliff performance wise. 
Having watched all his games I have to say he doesn’t look happy he doesn’t look like a player who wants to be here, this is a tough league in a tough environment let’s be honest Liverpool isn’t Madrid, I genuinely feel this is a head and heart thing and not an ability issue. 

What did he say? I can only find this, which makes no mention of form -

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“James trained all week with the team and showed a good condition: not at the top but it could help for him to play tomorrow [Saturday] – he is close to the top [peak condition].

 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Ancelotti confirms that James is in poor form and hopes he might regain some form against Rotherham. 
For me that’s a very worrying statement it brings in to doubt his desire to play in this country, he started off bright in his first 3-4 games, and then fell off a cliff performance wise. 
Having watched all his games I have to say he doesn’t look happy he doesn’t look like a player who wants to be here, this is a tough league in a tough environment let’s be honest Liverpool isn’t Madrid, I genuinely feel this is a head and heart thing and not an ability issue. 

Think you’re confusing form with fitness 

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12 minutes ago, Palfy said:

First football article written by caught offside. 

Just read it now. Wouldn't surprise me if it's been mistranslated as form because it does come from a Spanish newspaper, but it is what it is.

I don't think he's unhappy here at all. His interview he gave himself says the complete opposite.

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7 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Just read it now. Wouldn't surprise me if it's been mistranslated as form because it does come from a Spanish newspaper, but it is what it is.

I don't think he's unhappy here at all. His interview he gave himself says the complete opposite.

It’s not even mistranslation, it’s Marca making things up. 

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5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Just read it now. Wouldn't surprise me if it's been mistranslated as form because it does come from a Spanish newspaper, but it is what it is.

I don't think he's unhappy here at all. His interview he gave himself says the complete opposite.

Must be, you can't say he's out of form when he's only played 25 minutes in the last month.

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1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said:

Just read it now. Wouldn't surprise me if it's been mistranslated as form because it does come from a Spanish newspaper, but it is what it is.

I don't think he's unhappy here at all. His interview he gave himself says the complete opposite.

 like you said in the Iwobi thread talk is nice but actions are what actually counts. 
I wouldn’t blame him for feeling unhappy it’s shit times at the moment, but I don’t see a happy player out there at the moment in his football, a dip in form maybe and he comes out of it, but my gut feeling is it’s more than that by his demeanour but of course that’s my opinion. 

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47 minutes ago, Matt said:

It’s not even mistranslation, it’s Marca making things up. 

I stand corrected. In french “en forme” means feeling well, so could well just be mistranslation (assuming Spanish is similar)

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14 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Looked very frustrated for most of the game (with the teams and his own performance) but then stepped up and showed his quality with that ball for Doucoure. And that's what he's out there to do and will keep showing it the more fitness he gets back.

Yeah. Didn’t have a great game but tried and only needed 2 opportunities to set up what should’ve been 2 goals. Rough game for him and just coming back from injury, could’ve been better but still changed the game. 

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I thought we looked much better in midfield when he went off, we were balanced and stronger, Rotherham’s threat was minimal when he was taken off and as our midfield worked harder and protected the defence allowing them to have an impact further up field, for me he has to work harder for the team. 

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3 minutes ago, StevO said:

It seemed to me that when they found James in a bit of space he made things happen. It didn’t always come off. But it’s pretty clear, give him the ball and we create chances. We need him on the pitch and we need to give him the ball, let him do the rest. 

That is what I saw too. When he got the ball, he was looking to do something. I'm not convinced anyone else did after the first 10 minutes.

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