Matt Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 22 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Between him and Coutinho it’s a toss up of the has been worldies. Except 1 costs the same as the others loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt said: Except 1 costs the same as the others loan. James is only 18m? I didn’t see a fee linked. That is cheap in this market, although his wages would be astronomical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 Just now, markjazzbassist said: James is only 18m? I didn’t see a fee linked. That is cheap in this market, although his wages would be astronomical. Coy was touted at £24m, James at £25m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Matt said: Coy was touted at £24m, James at £25m Wow James cost real 63m pounds when they bought him. Selling for less than half. I didn’t realize he was going for that cheap! Although with not a lot of suitors at that price kinda speaks for itself, something not right there. Coutinho has performed better of the two IMO but he’s the more expensive and doesn’t really fit our formation. It will be interesting to see where they end up, honestly I’d be fine if we said no to both and looked elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 No brainer if that fee is right, creative flair and dead ball sorted. Still a good age too. Oh sit down... StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said: Wow James cost real 63m pounds when they bought him. Selling for less than half. I didn’t realize he was going for that cheap! Although with not a lot of suitors at that price kinda speaks for itself, something not right there. Coutinho has performed better of the two IMO but he’s the more expensive and doesn’t really fit our formation. It will be interesting to see where they end up, honestly I’d be fine if we said no to both and looked elsewhere. Financially he will be worth nothing on Reals books, They bought him six years ago. So if his first contract was four years it’s cost them under 16m per year in write down. If we pay 25m it’s all profit for them. Not to mention they will already have had fees from Bayern for the loan, they were probably in profit on him last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 James also revealed that he was the one who made sure his Bayern loan did not become permanent. “Bayern is a top club, but the one who did not want to continue was me. They wanted to activate the purchase option, but I spoke with a leader so that they did not do it because I was not comfortable and I was not happy. “When that happens in your life you have to make decisions, they understood it perfectly. At that time my decision was that and I do not regret it. ” https://onefootball.com/en/news/james-rodriguez-reveals-real-madrid-blocked-permanent-switch-30244265 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 1 hour ago, StevO said: Financially he will be worth nothing on Reals books, They bought him six years ago. So if his first contract was four years it’s cost them under 16m per year in write down. If we pay 25m it’s all profit for them. Not to mention they will already have had fees from Bayern for the loan, they were probably in profit on him last season. I quoted the monies to show how far he’s fallen, I don’t care about real’ finances and how he looks on the books. He was a 63m player and is worth less than half now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I quoted the monies to show how far he’s fallen, I don’t care about real’ finances and how he looks on the books. He was a 63m player and is worth less than half now. Bayern paid £10m loan fee and had the option to make it permanent for £30m so would have paid £40m in total for him which is still a decent amount. Plus real only want rid as he doesn't suit their managers vision, not because he's a bad player. He's touted for less than £30m at the moment as he's turned down a move to Munich and he's in his last year of his contract. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 5, 2020 Report Share Posted July 5, 2020 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: I quoted the monies to show how far he’s fallen, I don’t care about real’ finances and how he looks on the books. He was a 63m player and is worth less than half now. But that’s my point, as the player owes the club nothing his transfer value will have been reflected in that. Obviously he’s not worth the same value as he was when they signed him, but what a players contract owes the club will always affect what they are willing to sell him for. So in this instance they could be happy to sell him for as little as £10m, but he’s a player who is more than likely worth more than that. My point is that a players value is not necessarily the same as what is paid for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 6, 2020 Report Share Posted July 6, 2020 7 hours ago, StevO said: But that’s my point, as the player owes the club nothing his transfer value will have been reflected in that. Obviously he’s not worth the same value as he was when they signed him, but what a players contract owes the club will always affect what they are willing to sell him for. So in this instance they could be happy to sell him for as little as £10m, but he’s a player who is more than likely worth more than that. My point is that a players value is not necessarily the same as what is paid for him. oh i get that, and i get the reality that selling him at any price is still profit for them, but to see his transfer fee listed that low is surprising, that's all i'm saying. i still thought he would go for 50m or something. call me naive (don't call me shirley) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagoblue Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Whatever the fee, he's on mad wages. Exactly what we're struggling to get rid of now. Overpaid undermotivated players. Easy to sign, impossible to get rid of if it doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 hours ago, chicagoblue said: Whatever the fee, he's on mad wages. Exactly what we're struggling to get rid of now. Overpaid undermotivated players. Easy to sign, impossible to get rid of if it doesn't work. Just because he’s on mad wages now, doesn’t mean he will be next time. He only has one year left on that huge contract, so do you take a one year deal on 250k or take a four year deal on 150k? Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 TalkShite aren’t the best for reliable info but hey ho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 This guy is though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 Rodríguez, Allan and Doucoure... I might just get excited if Brands and Ancelotti pull that off! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 I want this signing just to shut this cock up. StevO and nyblue23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 25, 2020 Report Share Posted August 25, 2020 47 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Rodríguez, Allan and Doucoure... I might just get excited if Brands and Ancelotti pull that off! Would be amazing but i cant see all three coming at once. I think it will be either Rodriguez or Doucoure personally. If the rumors where true about a fee under 10 million for Rodriguez then thats a huge coup. Whilst i know it shouldn't be the case but id be most excited to see Gomes in the midfield with Allan and Rodriguez - Huge improvement on the midfield we endured for 19/20 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 Exciting 3 we might sign, but I’m worried it’ll be Gylfi, Rooney and Klaassen all over again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 21 minutes ago, Matt said: Exciting 3 we might sign, but I’m worried it’ll be Gylfi, Rooney and Klaassen all over again Add in Vlasic as well. All for that 10 spot. This is a bit different as we don’t have any midfield right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 38 minutes ago, Btay said: Add in Vlasic as well. All for that 10 spot. This is a bit different as we don’t have any midfield right now. Vlasic was amazing. We ruined him. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt said: Exciting 3 we might sign, but I’m worried it’ll be Gylfi, Rooney and Klaassen all over again They were three players for the same role, these are three players who have different games. c1982 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 I dont see how we could afford his wages. As Carlo has said before though, the rumour was doing the circles when he was at Napoli too. He seems like the perfect guy to get in on loan with wages being paid mostly or partly by Madrid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: They were three players for the same role, these are three players who have different games. Exactly this. If Rodriguez comes in he’ll play wide like has in the past for Carlo. Cant help but think DCL in the middle, James and Richarlison out wide, with Doucoure, Gomes and Allan begins them. Don’t know about anyone else, but that excites me, a lot! London Blue, Matt and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 26, 2020 Report Share Posted August 26, 2020 7 hours ago, StevO said: Exactly this. If Rodriguez comes in he’ll play wide like has in the past for Carlo. Cant help but think DCL in the middle, James and Richarlison out wide, with Doucoure, Gomes and Allan begins them. Don’t know about anyone else, but that excites me, a lot! I'm not sure you would want to play with wide men like that with 3 in midfield. You would end up with a cluster of players all inside the width of the 18 yard box and then you would be relying on the full backs doing most of the creative work out wide because the middle of the park is too congested. I think you would need at least one natural winger with 3 men in midfield. He looks the ideal fit in a 4-4-2 though (from what I have read of him). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 11 hours ago, StevO said: Exactly this. If Rodriguez comes in he’ll play wide like has in the past for Carlo. Cant help but think DCL in the middle, James and Richarlison out wide, with Doucoure, Gomes and Allan begins them. Don’t know about anyone else, but that excites me, a lot! Big thing is Rodriguez is left footed. Finally. I think if we can get all those players into a fluid 4-3-3 we could really be onto something. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badaids Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 At this stage a loan is the best option for us. A fantastic player if he feels like it and not injured and fuck me the eye watering wages. Lets loan him, make him feel wanted and give him game time (if of course he can displace Davies) and if it all works out sign him on a free. He might lift the other players too to have a name like that at Goodison. Too much risk to spunk 40 mil plus wages on him at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-everton-arent-position-pie-in-the-sky-james-rodriguez-transfer-gamble Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, badaids said: Too much risk to spunk 40 mil plus wages on him at the moment. The fee will be nowhere near £40m! The fee will be less than £10m and reported as undisclosed - similar to us selling Schneiderlin - it’s about getting the player off the wage bill. James will have to take a big wage cut for it to happen. 3 year deal now is perfect in my opinion - there’d be no guarantee that he’d choose us as a free agent next summer and it’s whether Real would sanction a loan in the final year of his contract anyway. He’s clearly someone Ancelotti knows, rates and trusts so we need to put our faith in that. Hafnia, Matt, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 My one recent memory of Rodriguez was when he came on for Columbia vs England in the world cup...... night and day difference to their side. It was like watching a genuine match winner who could pick apart our defence and he wasn't fully fit. For me, we don't have anyone with that type of guile up front. Bernard if on his game maybe, Richarlison is more a finisher than creator.... If the numbers are right then it's a no brainer. Carlo trusts him, if he thinks he will improve us then I'm all for it. A different way to assess this is:' how would you feel if Liverpool, man city or Chelsea came in for him. Personally I would think "no brainer".... it's only because we've had our fingers burned with players at the latter part of their careers. barryj, StevO and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Im actually bewildered that some fans are scoffing at the idea of Rodríguez coming to Everton. I don't think they've ever seen him actually play. Romey 1878, StevO and Shukes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, badaids said: At this stage a loan is the best option for us. A fantastic player if he feels like it and not injured and fuck me the eye watering wages. Lets loan him, make him feel wanted and give him game time (if of course he can displace Davies) and if it all works out sign him on a free. He might lift the other players too to have a name like that at Goodison. Too much risk to spunk 40 mil plus wages on him at the moment. His wages won’t be that much more than Gylfi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Aidan said: Im actually bewildered that some fans are scoffing at the idea of Rodríguez coming to Everton. I don't think they've ever seen him actually play. This!! How can anyone not be excited at the possibility of him playing for Everton?! markjazzbassist and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, Aidan said: Im actually bewildered that some fans are scoffing at the idea of Rodríguez coming to Everton. I don't think they've ever seen him actually play. 20 minutes ago, StevO said: This!! How can anyone not be excited at the possibility of him playing for Everton?! Tbf most that are wary it’s mostly to do with his injury record rather than questioning his ability. barryj and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, StevO said: His wages won’t be that much more than Gylfi. His wages and overall fee would be covered by niasse and schneiderlins wages alone. Add on the exposure he gives us.... the appeal for other players. Plus if he realises 70% of his potential - he will improve us as a team immeasurably. The quality of training improves.... it's all positive. Yeah it may fail but a risk worth taking. If he doesn't work out - teams in the US of China/UAE will want him. StevO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Isaiah Posted August 27, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 43 minutes ago, StevO said: This!! How can anyone not be excited at the possibility of him playing for Everton?! We've been spoiled recently by the dazzling football genius of Theo Walcott, Yannick Bolassie, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Alex Iwobi. James Rodriguez would be just one more superstar in a team full of legends. Aidan, Sibdane, Bailey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Isaiah said: We've been spoiled recently by the dazzling football genius of Theo Walcott, Yannick Bolassie, Gylfi Sigurdsson and Alex Iwobi. James Rodriguez would be just one more superstar in a team full of legends. Well from that list only one player comes close to being a superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 True. I should have singled out Bolassie. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I haven't watched him play for a long time now but he was a really exciting player to watch when he burst onto the scene. He looked like he had the world at his feet. Given that I haven't seen him, I thought I would compare some stats on him to the players he would likely replace. Unfortunately they are too large to post but lets just say over the 2017 to 2019 seasons he completely blows Bernard, Siggy and Walcott out of the water. Iwobi gets close in a couple of areas but they are based on his time at Arsenal. If he stays fit, then he would be a huge improvement but the warning should be with Iwobi who statistically and to the eye looked a far superior player at Arsenal than the one we have seen! StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Bring him in marcel, and bring us back to European glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 He is a risk of that there’s no doubt and I think we all accept that due his age and injury record. However without those there is no way a player of his calibre would ever entertain coming to us even with Carlo at the helm. I think therefore for the right price we have to push on and have a gamble and hope that as is natural other other players raise their games to impress him. If we addd Allan in as well both know what Carlo wants and expects and therefore could transform the dressing room. Still I don’t believe it until I see him in an Everton shirt on the OS as we have been down this road before. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Think its a risk we have to take. Truly a class act of a player. We are realisticaly not going to get a player of his class risk free as 1. He would h demand a huge transfer fee and wages and 2. Most of the top clubs in the world would want him, so we wouldnt get a look in!!!. Not sure why Real would loan him and pay part of his wages and then see him go on a free next summer. Why not just let him go now for free!! It would be cheaper for them. Its not like its in Real's benefit to see him have a great season while on loan. Him having a great season will us on loan would not benefit us much in the long run, as the would be a que of clubs after him on a free. A three year contract sounds reasonable, calculated risk StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I haven’t looked into this much, as I tho k it’s all a dream. But honestly.... I don’t give a shit how much we have to pay...... if we can get him in... then make it happen however!!!!!! Cisk and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shukes said: I haven’t looked into this much, as I tho k it’s all a dream. But honestly.... I don’t give a shit how much we have to pay...... if we can get him in... then make it happen however!!!!!! I'm at the point of saying.......b0ll0cks to any risk - get him in!!!! Was ace at that world cup. I'd take anyone right now who will not be going into the U23s!! Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted August 27, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 Latest report (i know to take any report with a pich of salt!!) is that he is willing to take a pay cut to get a help facilitate a move to Eveeton. Now if that is true it is a massive difference to some of maybe our more questionable recent signings. He is not coming here to get that one massive final contract, he is coming here based on a different motivation. If it is true that he would be willing to take even just a small paycut, it is still a significant and meaningful gesture and to me a early good sign. Straight away gets fans on his side more than for a player who you know has come becase we have offered him an inflated pay cheque. Certain transfers can just end up being just a positive catalyst. StevO, Matt, markjazzbassist and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 2 hours ago, RuffRob said: Latest report (i know to take any report with a pich of salt!!) is that he is willing to take a pay cut to get a help facilitate a move to Eveeton. Now if that is true it is a massive difference to some of maybe our more questionable recent signings. He is not coming here to get that one massive final contract, he is coming here based on a different motivation. If it is true that he would be willing to take even just a small paycut, it is still a significant and meaningful gesture and to me a early good sign. Straight away gets fans on his side more than for a player who you know has come becase we have offered him an inflated pay cheque. Certain transfers can just end up being just a positive catalyst. I think some people blindly misinterpret him. I saw on twitter a snippet of carlos book and he says what a hard working, unselfish professional he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted August 27, 2020 Report Share Posted August 27, 2020 I started watching some better videos on him and hes absolutely class. Kind of player that just sees things happening before any one else. Typically of left footers but his left foot is amazing. Unbelievable close control and he creates space for himself and beats players with his technique/skill not his physical attributes so his age shouldn't be an issue. I really think if we land these 3 then it could be a pivotal point going forward for us. Sibdane and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Aidan Posted August 28, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 It's happening. It's happening everybody calm down. EVERYBODY FUCKING CALM DOWN. ITS HAPPENING. AlbanyNYToffee, StevO, Shukes and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Deal done apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Holy shit, I can’t help it, I’m excited..... If this falls through I’m taking Carlos locker off him!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 if the figure of £4M a year wages is true, then he is taking a considerable wage cut to come., almost a 1/3 of what he is on now (apparently) ! . sounds like he really wants to come be here. puts us in a strong position in negotiations with Real for the transfer fee, we have them over a barrel a bit. they don't want him and one year left on his contract if he stays injury free - this could be huge transfer. A truly world class player, coming with his own personnel point to prove!! 3 year contract at 29 on the wages quoted would be a brilliant bit of business. StevO and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 I'm not overly exited, but I really hope this one will turn out to be a successful signing for us. Welcome, James! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Aidan said: It's happening. It's happening everybody calm down. EVERYBODY FUCKING CALM DOWN. ITS HAPPENING. Is there something Everton in this picture I’m missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Just now, Romey 1878 said: Is there something Everton in this picture I’m missing? That was my initial reaction but don’t you dare bring logic into this Romey 1878 and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Is there something Everton in this picture I’m missing? Law of attraction... we imagine it and it will manifest... trust me! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 36 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Is there something Everton in this picture I’m missing? Yes - but it’s not tangible. It’s the eternal feeling of optimism but knowing that it’s likely to be more the feeling of deja vous. Romey 1878 and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 He tweeted, topless, in English!! Hes coming!!! Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, StevO said: He tweeted, topless, in English!! Hes coming!!! That's actually an astute observation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisk Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Theres legs in this....being in Portugal avoids UK quarantine restrictions . Why now use English in his posts? Reminds me of that Lukaku post on the plane when he signed for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted August 28, 2020 Report Share Posted August 28, 2020 Theres a lot of negative nellys on here tonight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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