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1 minute ago, Matt said:

Considering the flights from Norway are probably cut off, I imagine most would’ve been watching on TV anyway. Plus, couldn’t care less, they’re going to gloat and brag regardless 

Just moving dad to his new apartment for when he’s in Basel. He’s got a flight back to Liverpool on Friday, just hoping the borders stay open long enough!

Fingers crossed 🤞 all goes well mate, it’s a nightmare when you are unsure what’s happening with travel plans. 

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I had a house clearance type person around earlier, just to take away a sofa surplus to requirements; told me he wasn't allowed to get within six feet of me and the company had stopped the need for the client to sigh for the job. The six foot rule went out of the window as it was a sofa-bed (which he wasn't told) so heavy and prone to swinging open so as he was on his own I needed to give him a hand; believe it or not I'm still alive, and hopefully so is he.

Undecided on this whole thing. I'm pretty much carrying on my life as I always have, maybe washing my hands a few more times than normal but that's about it; we'll see how it progresses, strange times.

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On 05/03/2020 at 14:33, markjazzbassist said:

i'm not worried about it i live in the midwest and it hasn't gotten here yet, mostly the coasts.  i'd be worried for my children but it targets mostly older people and doesn't seem to be effecting children much, which is a good thing.  as far as me?  well i'm all paid up on my life insurance so my wife and kids will have a nice life :)  i'm not worried, i'm not traveling abroad, just skiing trips a few hours away which won't be hampered.

It's got there now.

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On 05/03/2020 at 18:22, dunlopp9987 said:

Living in NYC, I'm shocked it took so long to get here. I figured we would be one of the first major metropolitan areas to get hit. I'm usually pretty blasé about sanitizing hands or anything, but I've been washing them like crazy and avoiding touching anything. 

Just saw that the Prem is temporarily banning any handshakes before matches due to the virus, which begs the question.....is there a possibility the season gets delayed/called off? I can't imagine it would come to that, as it looks like Italy's way to handle it is just have all matches played behind closed doors. But wouldn't it be something if the year the shite are about to win the league, an act of *whoever/whatever* prevents it from happening?

Didn't realize you lived in NYC. I work each week in northern NJ. One of the weekends I'm in town, and not traveling home to Atlanta, we should get together to watch a game.

The mayor of NYC and the governor of the state seem to have their act together. It's tough, though, when the nation's leader is proving to be totally inept. It's obvious the number of reported cases is going to explode in the coming days. Personally, I'm driving home to Atlanta this weekend and will work from home for the rest of the month.

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Arsenal v Brighton called off, if we are are as the experts say 4 weeks behind Italy and heading in the same direction, then I can see this season being cancelled in quite a few countries.

 If the players and staff are catching it then how can games go on even if behind closed doors, there will be so much self isolation going on clubs won’t be able to put a team out. 
Which brings me onto the shite if the season is abandoned and they can’t rightfully win the league, as an Evertonian I would feel a sense of poetic justice had been administered ? I’ll say know more. 

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1 minute ago, TallPaul1878 said:

I can understand why the government are not shutting schools yet. 

All the data from previous pandemics shows early closure of schools is absolutely the most effective way of slowing down transmission.

Unfortunately mum and dad both go to work now, who will look after the children.

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12 hours ago, MikeO said:

I had a house clearance type person around earlier, just to take away a sofa surplus to requirements; told me he wasn't allowed to get within six feet of me and the company had stopped the need for the client to sigh for the job. The six foot rule went out of the window as it was a sofa-bed (which he wasn't told) so heavy and prone to swinging open so as he was on his own I needed to give him a hand; believe it or not I'm still alive, and hopefully so is he.

Undecided on this whole thing. I'm pretty much carrying on my life as I always have, maybe washing my hands a few more times than normal but that's about it; we'll see how it progresses, strange times.

To be honest, the employees  shouldn’t have to suffer that kind of disrespect :P 

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Our county is going to make an announcement for “stricter measures” in an hour. Luckily did some shopping this morning and am making a fuckton of Scouse right now, rumours are a week of everything shutting down. Glad I’ve been making soup etc and have stuff in the freezer! Only got 4 ales though :( 

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12 minutes ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Viruses can and do mutate. A virus that decimates a population doesn't stand much chance itself and so it evolves to become milder so as not to kill it's host. Evidence suggests that coronavirus has already been mutating and that cases in Europe are showing differences to those in China.

By slowing down the rate of infection we are hoping to buy enough time for the virus to become less lethal. It really isn't about building an immunity to it but more so the virus mutating to a less lethal form that is more beneficial for itself.

Interesting, how do you know this stuff Paul? Is it your line on work or your education? It certainly seems logical.

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5 hours ago, TallPaul1878 said:

It surely has to be suspended now. I can understand why the government are not shutting schools yet. It depends where we are on the infection curve. If you shut down too soon then eventually people will become fatigued and start breaking quarantine.

They will as they are in Italy, were they have now said people will be arrested if they break the curfews imposed. 
To be honest I don’t think I would go to any event with crowds of people, more because I wouldn’t want to catch it and then endanger my family, I would hate to think that me being reckless had affected my wife kids and grandchildren.

 I few lads who work for me have been going to Cheltenham, one of them has just had a baby, his attitude was I’m not worried about Corona, shocking in my eyes to take the risk and possibly put your kid in danger. 

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5 minutes ago, Palfy said:

They will as they are in Italy, were they have now said people will be arrested if they break the curfews imposed. 
To be honest I don’t think I would go to any event with crowds of people, more because I wouldn’t want to catch it and then endanger my family, I would hate to think that me being reckless had affected my wife kids and grandchildren.

 I few lads who work for me have been going to Cheltenham, one of them has just had a baby, his attitude was I’m not worried about Corona, shocking in my eyes to take the risk and possibly put your kid in danger. 

WHO table shows the likelihood of people under 50 dying from it are tiny, but I take your point.

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59 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Just pointing out it goes against the approach most other countries are taking.   

As I understand it, the UK approach is based on creating a herd immunity. But for that to happen, a lot of people need to get infected, possibly and quite likely, including a lot of vulnerable people.

Herd immunity only works when the virus comes back, when, because a lot of people are immune, it can't spread to the weakest who don't have immunity as they are 'shielded' by the immune ones.    

Is it better to lose more lives than necessary now, in order to be able to better face it in the future?  Why not just wait for a functioning vaccine when it comes back next year?

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31 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Interesting, how do you know this stuff Paul? Is it your line on work or your education? It certainly seems logical.

It’s the basis of evolution although this is too logical an explanation, so then not evolution. A virus can just as equally become more specialized and wipe out most of a population and specialize in certain individuals. It’s random mutation unless the implication is that this virus thinks and adapts, which would be terrifying (for multiple reasons). I’d be interested to know the rate of reinfection.

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4 minutes ago, holystove said:

Just pointing out it goes against the approach most other countries are taking.   

As I understand it, the UK approach is based on creating a herd immunity. But for that to happen, a lot of people need to get infected, possibly and quite likely, including a lot of vulnerable people.

Herd immunity only works when the virus comes back, when, because a lot of people are immune, it can't spread to the weakest who don't have immunity as they are 'shielded' by the immune ones.    

Is it better to lose more lives than necessary now, in order to be able to better face it in the future?  Why not just wait for a functioning vaccine when it comes back next year?

They are, but far too late so it’s rendered irrelevant. It’s all got a bit of “tea and biscuits got us through the war” feeling. But then again, the whole world reacted too slowly so now we have to see it out. 

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2 minutes ago, holystove said:

Just pointing out it goes against the approach most other countries are taking.

I wasn't defending it, I haven't got a clue what the best course of action is and neither do the "experts" apparently as they all seem to be contradicting each other.

 

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13 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Didn't realize you lived in NYC. I work each week in northern NJ. One of the weekends I'm in town, and not traveling home to Atlanta, we should get together to watch a game.

The mayor of NYC and the governor of the state seem to have their act together. It's tough, though, when the nation's leader is proving to be totally inept. It's obvious the number of reported cases is going to explode in the coming days. Personally, I'm driving home to Atlanta this weekend and will work from home for the rest of the month.

Would love that, Steve!

And the working from home thing seems to be the norm now. I had heard a rumour from a few friends that the subway was going to shut down, potentially as early as last night. So I packed a quick bag and am staying with my girlfriend in Manhattan (I'm living in Brooklyn) 

Strange times out there, friends. Stay safe, stay healthy, UTFT.

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1 hour ago, TallPaul1878 said:

Viruses can and do mutate. A virus that decimates a population doesn't stand much chance itself and so it evolves to become milder so as not to kill it's host. Evidence suggests that coronavirus has already been mutating and that cases in Europe are showing differences to those in China.

By slowing down the rate of infection we are hoping to buy enough time for the virus to become less lethal. It really isn't about building an immunity to it but more so the virus mutating to a less lethal form that is more beneficial for itself.

Does the 19 stand for the 19th strain of the Coronavirus. 

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1 minute ago, Matt said:

But they can be carriers. As is the case with all viruses 

This is the problem with closing schools when both parents are working and kids being farmed out to grandparents (which I think @holystove highlighted earlier) who are the ones more at risk. Certainly if schools do close we won't be taking in our grand-kids; apart from not having the space it's not sensible as we both have pre-existing stuff as I mentioned before.

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19 minutes ago, MikeO said:

This is the problem with closing schools when both parents are working and kids being farmed out to grandparents (which I think @holystove highlighted earlier) who are the ones more at risk. Certainly if schools do close we won't be taking in our grand-kids; apart from not having the space it's not sensible as we both have pre-existing stuff as I mentioned before.

I’ve got 6 lots of flights booked for long weekends to Spain between next week and end of May, were we go has been declared a state of emergency for that area.

My mrs always has our Grandchildren when there off school, maybe we need to reconsider.

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On 13/03/2020 at 16:36, TallPaul1878 said:

When is the correct time to shut the schools? It's easy when you're a contrarian who just wants to criticise the government in whatever it chooses to do. Close too early and you are panicking, close too late and you are negligent.

You and I are not privy to where a country is in respect to the virus taking hold. This is a serious health hazard and people are still playing party politics with it. "Gee I hope there is a recession so we can get rid of Trump/Tories"

Do you honestly think the opposition would have done anything differently? They'd follow the advice of the experts and sure as shit would still be worrying about the economy.

I think you misunderstand me I wasn't criticising the Tories and just point outing that if it's spreading P2P then school closures are effective, I'm sure they're taking advice from whoever they should be and trying to the make an evidence based strategy that is not going to sow more panic.

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Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

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8 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

I’ve heard the same but I’m not sure if it’s bullshit rumors or true.

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1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Was just chatting with my girlfriend's roommate. His sister has a friend who works high up in government health care, and apparently within the next 24-72 hours, Trump will mandate a 14-day quarantine nationwide. One household member will be able to go out to grocery stores and the doctor, but besides that, full quarantine. 

This might be conjecture, but figured I'd give a heads up to my fellow Americans in case it's true!

I just arrived home, driving 14 hours from New Jersey. My wife is in Tennessee and should arrive home tomorrow night. If you're correct, we may have just made it in time.

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Sounds good in theory but requires up to date and adequate testing, which in practice is not really possible.  You have to be able to look one or two weeks into the future, and predict when the health services are going to be overrun.  If they are already overrun, you are too late with the quarantine.

I also don't get his point that you can only quarantine once..  and why does he assume literally everyone will get corona, regardless of how a country approaches it...

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2 hours ago, Chach said:

It's bold.

 

The problem is the bottle is alot smaller than it should be. Won't take much water to make it overflow.

Hospitals have been creaking under business as usual demands..... our disgrace of a government have put us in a place where we will see people turned away. 

Lets hope China completely eradicate  wet markets better eh.  Completely and utterly barbaric, dead wood animals like bats and snakes stacked up on each other for human consumption.  

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Hi All me and the c/o are currently in Spain till late April, we are on lock down, no bars, no restaurants, no golf, just me and and the c/o confined to barracks.

After day one of confinement im not sure 2 of us will will leave, so i may be looking for a safe house on my return, any offers from my fellow Blue Boys?

 

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36 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Hi All me and the c/o are currently in Spain till late April, we are on lock down, no bars, no restaurants, no golf, just me and and the c/o confined to barracks.

After day one of confinement im not sure 2 of us will will leave, so i may be looking for a safe house on my return, any offers from my fellow Blue Boys?

 

I know the feeling. All schools, even parks, are locked down, which means both my wife and daughter are with me all day for the next 6 weeks (so far lockdown is planned until end of April). In some ways I’m really happy but after 5 days there’s already some cabin fever going on!

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I know the feeling. All schools, even parks, are locked down, which means both my wife and daughter are with me all day for the next 6 weeks (so far lockdown is planned until end of April). In some ways I’m really happy but after 5 days there’s already some cabin fever going on!

we are locked down for 3 weeks, no school for the kids and i'm working from home as is the wife.  cabin fever is inevitable sadly.  lucky our govenor even though he's a republican took it seriously (unlike trump) and was locked down in advance of the Feds.  hopefully it works. 

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19 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

we are locked down for 3 weeks, no school for the kids and i'm working from home as is the wife.  cabin fever is inevitable sadly.  lucky our govenor even though he's a republican took it seriously (unlike trump) and was locked down in advance of the Feds.  hopefully it works. 

Good luck mate! I’m actually grateful for being unemployed at the moment; if I had to work from home and be locked in with my girls there’d be chaos. 

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25 minutes ago, Matt said:

Good luck mate! I’m actually grateful for being unemployed at the moment; if I had to work from home and be locked in with my girls there’d be chaos. 

i need the money, we live paycheck to paycheck so im so so grateful that i can continue to work and not have to worry about how we will put food on the table.  

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

i need the money, we live paycheck to paycheck so im so so grateful that i can continue to work and not have to worry about how we will put food on the table.  

So did we even before the job loss.  We’re 40% less income than 2 years ago and even then we barely made it through the year! Good luck man 

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Some people on my "other" forum, the Macmillan cancer one, having to make really difficult decisions. The main curative treatment for the type of cancer I had (umbrella title head & neck though there are many variants under it) is radiotherapy. For many, me included, chemo is given because it increases the curative effect of the RT by 5/6%; problem is that the chemo drug used completely destroys your immune system for one week in each of the three three week cycles. Even when I had it six years ago I was told to pretty much to isolate as much as possible during those weeks as even a cold could be a killer. Now anyone in that position would be told to self isolate due to covid but how do you do that when you have to go to hospital five days a week for RT?

Lovely guy on the site started his treatment today and decided against having the chemo, accepting the small (but not insignificant), increased risk of dying from cancer against the potential threat of covid doing the same. Did not envy him having to make that decision but lots of people supporting him online and in the flesh, and there will doubtless be many more faced with the same/similar choices; the World's gone crazy.

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