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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I was reading an article which was saying the State’s are heading for another wave of infections. 

yeah the delta is raging over here, it is sad, governor for my state released the data, 98% of all hospitilizations in our state are unvaccinated.  you can't fix stupid.  they value their "freedom" more than their life.

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6 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

im confused, everything i can find from reputable medical professionals says masks work (i work for a hospital).  so why don't masks work?

Is the CDC reputable? They have told us both they work and they don't work. And when the whole country was wearing masks, cases still climbed. Do they work? I'm sure. How effective? I don't think there is a consensus on that at all.

 

However, my point was more on the fact that children, even before shots were available,  represent the very lowest percentile across the board on infections, hospitalizations and mortality rate. 

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12 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

Is the CDC reputable? They have told us both they work and they don't work. And when the whole country was wearing masks, cases still climbed. Do they work? I'm sure. How effective? I don't think there is a consensus on that at all.

 

However, my point was more on the fact that children, even before shots were available,  represent the very lowest percentile across the board on infections, hospitalizations and mortality rate. 

i see studies from Harvard, Mayo Clinic, etc all proving they are effective.  These are the best institutions in the country for health.  now can you argue how effective?  sure.  but they are more effective thank no mask.  that is not in doubt.

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39 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i see studies from Harvard, Mayo Clinic, etc all proving they are effective.  These are the best institutions in the country for health.  now can you argue how effective?  sure.  but they are more effective thank no mask.  that is not in doubt.

You realize I'm not disagreeing that masks, overall, have some benefit right? 

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19 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

I wore my Everton mask to the Florida Cup, even tho I am fully vaccinated :)

I’m fully vaccinated yet still caught Covid, I was advised by my local health authority to go to hospital on 4-5 days in a row, after the Covid call centre reported me as a risk to my local health authority, they sent me by a courier equipment to test my Oxygen levels and heart rate. The recommendation at rest is 95% plus oxygen in your blood below 93% they want you in hospital mine was 88%, they want your heart rate at rest to be between 50-90 bpm mine was between 118-130, please don’t think you’re safe because you’ve been double jabbed.  

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7 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Palfy your double jab comment roused my curiosity.  How long do people think till it’s 3rd jab time?  

Winter booster shot is my understanding.

I believe they are finding better results by mixing vaccines too. 

My own personal experience has been that the fatigue was awful.  Really crappy.  I have forced myself to play golf, which isn't too hard as I love it.  Getting out and playing had done me wonders.  I feel like my energy is back.

I do need to go the gym though, out some weight on in the 3 weeks isolation.... Ate like a machine. 

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17 minutes ago, patto said:

Lads I’m sorry I put that post up regarding the masks and Vaccines I know it’s an emotive subject but it’s only what I believe.

ive had Covid my wife’s had Covid my grandson has had Covid and I’m talking full blown Covid not the 2day hit mine was for a full 2 weeks my wife’s went to 3 weeks we struggled to get up the stairs we never ate we did make sure we had drinks anything we needed was delivered to our front door by my daughter we were adamant not to go to hospital lots of people were dying there,my Grandson got it 3 months after us and ended up in ICU we were worried we could lose him but thank god we all recovered but all suffering long covid especially my wife.

we all wore a mask religiously so as I said I’m sorry if I upset anybody.

It’s strange and effects people in different ways, like you hospital was the last place I wanted to be, for a couple of reasons one being I’m bloody minded and secondly 3 kids 8 grandchildren it would have sent the family into meltdown. You wearing your mask is the right and sensible thing to do you are helping to protect others, those who don’t wear a mask are helping to infect others. I hope you the recovery is going to plan and you are all well. 

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8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Palfy your double jab comment roused my curiosity.  How long do people think till it’s 3rd jab time?  

They have been planning for the 3rd jab for sometime in the UK but as yet haven’t released a time frame of when and how. 

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@Palfy yeah I have read along the thread for a bit and am aware of your Covid experience - you should buy a lottery ticket with the odds you have hit with all this  are pretty incredible 😕  

No need to apologize @patto it's a subject we all have to deal with. Besides, Mark and I will usually disagree on most everything non-USMNT related, but civilly so. 

My guess is this may become the new flu shot, that has a booster every year. Except the flu has a season, this does not. I am curious if other folks have gotten the J&J one-shot vaccine? I got that a couple/few months back, both my neighbors got it a month or so ago, and all had minimal reactions to it, I actually had no reaction to it.

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30 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

@Palfy yeah I have read along the thread for a bit and am aware of your Covid experience - you should buy a lottery ticket with the odds you have hit with all this  are pretty incredible 😕  

No need to apologize @patto it's a subject we all have to deal with. Besides, Mark and I will usually disagree on most everything non-USMNT related, but civilly so. 

My guess is this may become the new flu shot, that has a booster every year. Except the flu has a season, this does not. I am curious if other folks have gotten the J&J one-shot vaccine? I got that a couple/few months back, both my neighbors got it a month or so ago, and all had minimal reactions to it, I actually had no reaction to it.

I think you’re right it will be the new version of the flu shot. It never seems to amaze me how as humans we constantly seem to mess up and cause havoc with the world we live in.

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27 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I think you’re right it will be the new version of the flu shot. It never seems to amaze me how as humans we constantly seem to mess up and cause havoc with the world we live in.

We all should take blame for spreading it, but the WHO did the report and it originated in Wuhan.  Either at the west market or at that lab.  It would be nice if they took some responsibility and faced some repercussions.  We all know that won’t happen.

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36 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

We all should take blame for spreading it, but the WHO did the report and it originated in Wuhan.  Either at the west market or at that lab.  It would be nice if they took some responsibility and faced some repercussions.  We all know that won’t happen.

That is a drum I will beat with you all day long. Be it engineered or natural, the Chinese government treated the situation like the USSR did Chernobyl, they tried to handle it quietly internally until the genie was literally out of the bottle and had to be acknowledged.  Fucked up the world six ways to Sunday.

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57 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

We all should take blame for spreading it, but the WHO did the report and it originated in Wuhan.  Either at the west market or at that lab.  It would be nice if they took some responsibility and faced some repercussions.  We all know that won’t happen.

I actually think it was man made based on my symptoms.  Weird is the best I can describe it. 

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41 minutes ago, Ghoat said:

That is a drum I will beat with you all day long. Be it engineered or natural, the Chinese government treated the situation like the USSR did Chernobyl, they tried to handle it quietly internally until the genie was literally out of the bottle and had to be acknowledged.  Fucked up the world six ways to Sunday.

spot on with the chernobyl comparison.  its telling that even moderate and liberal media in the states (and medical professionals) refuse to rule out the lab theory as well.  i read in depth stuff from people who study it, they said it's completely viable.  which is absolutely disgusting.  

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

We all should take blame for spreading it, but the WHO did the report and it originated in Wuhan.  Either at the west market or at that lab.  It would be nice if they took some responsibility and faced some repercussions.  We all know that won’t happen.

All of the leaders in the western world knew of the issue and all took too long to respond. Blood on their hands too in my opinion. 

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16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

spot on with the chernobyl comparison.  its telling that even moderate and liberal media in the states (and medical professionals) refuse to rule out the lab theory as well.  i read in depth stuff from people who study it, they said it's completely viable.  which is absolutely disgusting.  

IMHO, it's because Trump suggested it. Granted he threw so much shit against the wall for 4 years, that some of it had to stack. Law of averages, blind squirrel/acorn and such. But yeah of all the places in the world for it to originate, in the backyard of the biggest Chinese biolab that studies corona viruses...is a hell of coincidence. 

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Not definitive, but one opinion..

"In conclusion, all these specific features observed in SARS-COV-2 helps scientists to rule out the idea that this pandemic caused by the novel coronavirus is the result of a man-made action that could be either engineered in the laboratory or further created as a bioweapon out of conspiracy. Recent discoveries revealed evidence of the presence of the virus around the world before it emerged in Asia. There is growing evidence of its true origin as a global organism that was waiting for favorable conditions to emerge instead of originating in China. Recent testing of sewage in Barcelona had suggested that the virus may have been present in the Spanish city in March 2019, many months before China identified the pathogen in the city of Wuhan in December 2019. Based on the results available, it is most probably that this is a natural-born virus that emerged from an animal host, most likely a bat, without any direct pieces of evidence about its intermediate host."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7982270/

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20 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Palfy your double jab comment roused my curiosity.  How long do people think till it’s 3rd jab time?  

I think the double jab protection is holding up well, especially in Pfizer and Moderna. 

If they do a 3rd jab in the UK it looks like it will be more of a precaution than a necessity (at this stage).

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

just announced if you got pfizer or moderna there is a booster shot 8 months after your second dose.  available next month.  J&J shot will offer one as well.

Looks like we will be getting boosters indefinitely. 

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There's an online form you need to fill in to get a hard copy of your vaccination status and a question/answer combo just seems wrong to me, am I losing it?

Question is... 

"Your letter will be in English. But we can send you information about what the letter is for in another language if you need it.

You do not need your letter in the language of the country you're travelling to."

Then obviously a yes/no answer. I don't need it in a foreigh language so the answer is surely "yes" because I don't need it in Greek. But if you answer "yes" the next page asks, "Which language do you need this information in?" and then gives a list of options.

To get past the question you have to answer "no" but surely no to "you do not need your letter in the language..." is a double negative meaning that yes, you do need it in a foreign language.

Am I going mad or is the guy who wrote the form?

 

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https://www.npr.org/2021/08/23/1030208101/mississippi-livestock-drug-ivermectin-covid-misinformation

 

they don't trust the government vaccine, but will take livestock medication due to misinformation online.  and people think i'm being harsh when i say most americans are just stupid.  mississippi doing their best to prove me right here.

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On 11/08/2021 at 15:26, Ghoat said:

Is the CDC reputable? They have told us both they work and they don't work. And when the whole country was wearing masks, cases still climbed. Do they work? I'm sure. How effective? I don't think there is a consensus on that at all.

 

However, my point was more on the fact that children, even before shots were available,  represent the very lowest percentile across the board on infections, hospitalizations and mortality rate. 

The thing about science is that you continue to gather data and you change your conclusions as you learn more. I'd lose confidence in the CDC if their recommendations did not change over time.

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20 hours ago, MikeO said:

One of my daughters has tested positive, staying well away, going to Greece next week.

She's suffering a bit but fully vaccinated so not too bad.

Hope she's ok.  It took me a week or so to get over the tiredness.... I could smell cigarettes for a few weeks after.

I have noticed that my childhood asthma has sort of returned too which is concerning.  I never struggled with a cough or wheeze when I had covid. 

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2 minutes ago, johnh said:

Had a cold phone call today, talking about insurance on my washing machine.  I said 'I haven't got a washing machine, we are fortunate to have a stream running past the end of our garden and we beat the clothes on the rocks.' 'Do you do insurance for if the stream runs dry'?  Click.

I don't know what that's got to do with the virus John but nice one😂

Made me think about the guy who answers a knock at the door and it's the Jehovah's Witnesses and says, "I'm glad you called round, I'm Jehovah, how are we doing?"

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

I don't know what that's got to do with the virus John but nice one😂

Made me think about the guy who answers a knock at the door and it's the Jehovah's Witnesses and says, "I'm glad you called round, I'm Jehovah, how are we doing?"

Don't know how that got in this thread and I haven't had a drink yet today!  By the way, you have a good holiday Mike.

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7 hours ago, johnh said:

Just to prove I can post on the right thread!  (Occasionally)

Me and her indoors had our 'booster' jab today.  Have had my flu jab so hope I will get through the winter months OK.

So do I hope for you both, keep well mate. 

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2 hours ago, MikeO said:

One of my girls (and her daughter) tested positive yesterday, she has pretty massive long standing health problems as well so was warned it might hit her badly if she got it, fingers firmly crossed.

Tell her to make sure she has zinc, vit C, Vit D..... If she can take that mike. 

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21 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Tell her to make sure she has zinc, vit C, Vit D..... If she can take that mike. 

Has pneumonia now as well, caught very early because she knows her body so well, so medics are confident they have her under contol; and as importantly she agrees with them. Force of nature my Sophie.

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10 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Has pneumonia now as well, caught very early because she knows her body so well, so medics are confident they have her under contol; and as importantly she agrees with them. Force of nature my Sophie.

Fingers crossed she's ok Mike.  The way they treat coronavirus now with therapeutics is far more advanced than at the begining.  I'm sure she's a chip of the old block and will kick it's arse. 

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