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3 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Covid numbers in Minnesota are currently some of the highest in the US right now, which is alarming.

Big issue right now with my circle of people is how it's affecting the theater community here. All of my friends are either in shows or have spouses/friends in shows, so if one person contracts it in a show at one theater, it's very likely to spread to other theaters across town, which can then shut down those shows for up to 10 days.

When we go out to a place now to play trivia or go out to eat, we all keep our masks on unless we're actively eating or drinking. I'm sure people think we look ridiculous, but we have to be extra careful right now because of our profession. 

We can get all the booster shots we want, but if people are still contracting it, it's still going to cause havoc. 

The cold weather is kicking in over here now..... Far more indoor socialising and closed windows.  Let's hope it doesn't kick off again.

 

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

The cold weather is kicking in over here now..... Far more indoor socialising and closed windows.  Let's hope it doesn't kick off again.

 

I think it will mate a few countries in Europe are heading for their 4th wave, I really can’t see us escaping the same fate. I know more people who have tested positive in the last few months than I knew the 2 or so years previously, without wishing to sound dour it’s looking inevitable that we are heading for further restrictions, unless we give the heard immunity a serious go. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

I think it will mate a few countries in Europe are heading for their 4th wave, I really can’t see us escaping the same fate. I know more people who have tested positive in the last few months than I knew the 2 or so years previously, without wishing to sound dour it’s looking inevitable that we are heading for further restrictions, unless we give the heard immunity a serious go. 

Or if everyone would just fucking get vaccinated

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26 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Or if everyone would just fucking get vaccinated

That would be the ideal scenario but won’t happen unless of course you take away people’s right to abstain from the vaccination program. 

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15 minutes ago, Palfy said:

That would be the ideal scenario but won’t happen unless of course you take away people’s right to abstain from the vaccination program. 

Everybody should have the right be thick and put people's lives in danger.

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6 hours ago, MikeO said:

Everybody should have the right be thick and put people's lives in danger.

Like you mate I’m a triple jabber yet I will be totally honest my first thought wasn’t I’m having the vaccination to save others, mine was self preservation and not being excluded from the things I enjoy in life, so in some ways I’ve allowed a chemical to be put into my body that hasn’t gone through the test of time or the rigour’s of years of scrutiny for the want of an easier life, some may call that stupid. My wife hasn’t been vaccinated not because she is a conspiracy theorist or an anti vaxxer but because she doesn’t believe the vaccines are proven to be safe and we can’t possibly know if we will suffer irreversible bad health in the future, now she wouldn’t call that thick as much as she would not call you and I thick for having it, and in time will have the vaccine if proven to be safe over a period of time. So selfish me just says that fair enough but don’t think that I won’t be going to Spain for 6 months a year because they won’t let you in.  

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On 17/11/2021 at 18:10, Palfy said:

That would be the ideal scenario but won’t happen unless of course you take away people’s right to abstain from the vaccination program. 

I really don't get the argument against vaccination. A child can't go to school without having a complete set of vaccinations. A student can't go to university without having a complete set of vaccinations. What's the big deal about having to have a vaccination the stop many thousands more from dying?

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37 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I really don't get the argument against vaccination. A child can't go to school without having a complete set of vaccinations. A student can't go to university without having a complete set of vaccinations. What's the big deal about having to have a vaccination the stop many thousands more from dying?

I think the main complaint from anti-vaxxers is that there wasn't enough thorough testing and they don't know the long-term side effects.

Even though the CDC has said that the potential side effects of the vaccine pale in comparison to the effects of contracting covid.

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1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

I really don't get the argument against vaccination. A child can't go to school without having a complete set of vaccinations. A student can't go to university without having a complete set of vaccinations. What's the big deal about having to have a vaccination the stop many thousands more from dying?

Maybe that’s the case in the states but not here kids have and still do go to school not fully vaccinated, parents have to give permission before their kids get vaccinated. Believe it or not thousands of parents chose not to vaccinate their kids at all or pick and choose which vaccines they will allow their kids to have.  

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8 hours ago, MikeO said:

Why are we doing absolutely nothing when this is the situation in Germany now?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59378548

They still have around 10,000 less cases a day than us (with a bigger population) and have had 99k deaths so far against our 144k, despite our higher vaccination rate. Madness surely?

Because they only have 68% vaccinated and we have over 90%, so possibly our government feels we are in a better position when it comes to people being hospitalised or dying from Covid. We will never eradicate Covid and it’s variants you and me can and probably will still catch it even though we have had 3 jabs we can only hope by doing so we won’t become to ill, although I do have my doubts about that due to my own experience. No government is making it mandatory to be vaccinated a few reasons I’m guessing, so if those who don’t want to be vaccinated catch it and die or become seriously ill then that’s tough they made their own decision and payed for it. We can’t keep locking down or shutting shop on certain sectors of the economy indefinitely. I still have the anti bodies from when I last caught it so maybe the vaccination with herd immunity is the way to go, but one thing is for sure it’s never leaving so we just have to learn to live with it, and if any of us are one of the unlucky ones who succumbs to it’s worse effects, then there was nothing our family friends or neighbours could have done to prevent that vaccine or not because you will catch this vaccinated or not. 

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4 hours ago, Palfy said:

Because they only have 68% vaccinated and we have over 90%, so possibly our government feels we are in a better position when it comes to people being hospitalised or dying from Covid.

We have 69% fully vaccinated in fact, with serious concerns that the protection it gives is falling off, plus we have a considerably denser (in more ways than one👀) population than Germany, but we're doing nothing and the clown in chief isn't even bothering to follow his own rules.

 

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5 hours ago, MikeO said:

We have 69% fully vaccinated in fact, with serious concerns that the protection it gives is falling off, plus we have a considerably denser (in more ways than one👀) population than Germany, but we're doing nothing and the clown in chief isn't even bothering to follow his own rules.

 

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These numbers are interesting. There's a clear correlation with political affiliation: The more right-wing, the lower the vaccination rate.

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6 hours ago, MikeO said:

We have 69% fully vaccinated in fact, with serious concerns that the protection it gives is falling off, plus we have a considerably denser (in more ways than one👀) population than Germany, but we're doing nothing and the clown in chief isn't even bothering to follow his own rules.

 

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That is population and not just those who can be vaccinated, remember most kids can’t be vaccinated. 

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29 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Presumably the same rules apply to Germany numbers so my point stands.

Thing is Mike people will use stats to suit their argument so we never get a true picture, on the news last night it was reported that we had over 90%
vaccinated who I’m assuming are eligible to be vaccinated and Germany in the report you posted had only had 68% vaccinated I would assume that would only include those who are eligible for the vaccine otherwise it’s a pointless figure. 

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2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

These numbers are interesting. There's a clear correlation with political affiliation: The more right-wing, the lower the vaccination rate.

Correlation extends (very easily) to the more right wing, the more ignorant and selfish. Not complicated.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

Er, yup, that's what you did😂. I was just trying to to add some reality, comparing apples with apples.

No not really you asked the question why our government is doing nothing in this country when the Germans were doing more in theirs, I respond with maybe because we are so say 90% vaccinated our government feel we are in a better position than the Germans who are only 68% vaccinated, that wasn’t said as the only reason or a factual reason or as a belief I hold, that was put forward as what they may believe. On a personal note just got off the phone to a friend of some 50 years who has caught it he had the booster 3-4 weeks ago as at a risk patient, due to being 27 stone which has led to associated health problems, he is absolutely shitting himself that it will turn very serious for him. 

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4 hours ago, MikeO said:

Massive difference to what you said as well, gives 80% having two shots so where do you get "over 90%" from?

Well yes it did change due to the 12-15 year olds who have only had one jab due to time scales between jabs, what I was impressed with if you can trust this governments stats was that 96% of over 50s are fully vaccinated, you can always count on the wisdom that comes with age usually, obviously Brexit bucked that trend silly old fuckers 😂

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6 hours ago, Palfy said:

Crazy, why do you think that is. 

On the spectrum of relative priorities from individual freedom to social responsibility, America lies at the extreme of the former. Being told what to do is anathema and an affront to freedom. A limited view of social responsibility is evident from the fact that millions in the US have no medical insurance. So, when individuals must choose between doing what they want versus what social conscience tells us what they ought, many choose the former. President Trump's attitude is as extreme as they come, and his followers embrace his sense of machismo: Real men (and women) don't kowtow to any virus. So, this large body of individuals fight tooth and nail against being vaccinated.

It doesn't help that the district in which I live is represented by Marjorie Taylor Greene, who's a complete nutter. She's convinced many that the whole thing is a hoax to usher in a "new world order". Crazy.

I should say that there are others who will not be vaccinated because they don't trust a process that rushes out a vaccine. The truth is, though, that scientists have been working on this type of vaccine for many years, so it's questionable whether or not the argument is valid. Others refuse because vaccine research, and in one case vaccine production, requires the use of stem cells taken from an aborted fetus. So, it's not the case that everyone takes the 'personal freedom' stance - but I'd suggest it does explain why parts of the US remain so unvaccinated. As with the map Mike showed for Britain, the equivalent map of the US shows a striking correlation to politics.

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A new variant in the south of Africa which spreads quicker than the Delta variant, and appears to be resistant to the vaccines could already be in this country. 40,000 Austrians take to the streets to protest against another lockdown have people had enough after 2 years of restrictions. Where is this all leading us to ? For me it seems inevitable that we can’t stop this virus and unfortunately it will sweep through the world attacking the most vulnerable, and hopefully those who get it will create natural anti bodies that remain in the body and protect us for years to come, this may mean we have to contract it 2-3 times for our anti bodies to be at the full strength required to defend us against Covid and it’s mutations, as shit as it sounds how do stop it if it’s found away to combat our vaccines. Governments will fall and a form of anarchy will prevail if we keep going in and out of lockdown, people will revolt more and more if their businesses jobs and freedoms are constantly taken away from them, lockdowns aren’t the answer they do curb the rise and cases do significantly drop but as soon as we open up they rise again, the people and the economies of the world can not endure the constant merry go round of restrictions that in the long term are proving not to be the answer, and there will be protests in earnest if this carries on Austria is just the beginning. 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

A new variant in the south of Africa which spreads quicker than the Delta variant, and appears to be resistant to the vaccines could already be in this country. 40,000 Austrians take to the streets to protest against another lockdown have people had enough after 2 years of restrictions. Where is this all leading us to ? For me it seems inevitable that we can’t stop this virus and unfortunately it will sweep through the world attacking the most vulnerable, and hopefully those who get it will create natural anti bodies that remain in the body and protect us for years to come, this may mean we have to contract it 2-3 times for our anti bodies to be at the full strength required to defend us against Covid and it’s mutations, as shit as it sounds how do stop it if it’s found away to combat our vaccines. Governments will fall and a form of anarchy will prevail if we keep going in and out of lockdown, people will revolt more and more if their businesses jobs and freedoms are constantly taken away from them, lockdowns aren’t the answer they do curb the rise and cases do significantly drop but as soon as we open up they rise again, the people and the economies of the world can not endure the constant merry go round of restrictions that in the long term are proving not to be the answer, and there will be protests in earnest if this carries on Austria is just the beginning. 

Could People not just be mindful of others? It's not up to the government to try to enforce "common" sense and "common" decency. 

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51 minutes ago, Matt said:

Could People not just be mindful of others? It's not up to the government to try to enforce "common" sense and "common" decency. 

They should but in all walks of life but unfortunately that isn’t going to cure Covid and stop people protesting as we’ve seen here America and now Austria, I can only see herd immunity working at the moment. 

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9 minutes ago, Palfy said:

They should but in all walks of life but unfortunately that isn’t going to cure Covid and stop people protesting as we’ve seen here America and now Austria, I can only see herd immunity working at the moment. 

 

Not sure herd immunity is going to happen though, we'll never meet the percentage required plus this virus seems to be evolving quicker than we can keep up with (going on the last articles I've read).

 

 

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11 hours ago, Matt said:

 

Not sure herd immunity is going to happen though, we'll never meet the percentage required plus this virus seems to be evolving quicker than we can keep up with (going on the last articles I've read).

 

 

I know it’s fucking scary this new variant from the south of Africa  has genuinely got the scientific world really concerned.  

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26 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I know it’s fucking scary this new variant from the south of Africa  has genuinely got the scientific world really concerned.  

Yeah but they've also said remain calm because it's largely unknown at the moment. Just requires a bit of common sense, selflessness and self constraint. We'll be fine...

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This new strain along with the athletes dropping to the floor with heart problems is a bad combo.

Much of what I'm seeing right now is people sharing anti Vax sentiments on the basis of these incidents.....the medical world needs to speak up about it.

Hopefully the current vaccinations offer a large degree of protection

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Had to have another test today ahead of routine hospital check on Tuesday, and the testers have now had training on how to do a test on someone with a stoma (I was actually asked to be the guinea pig in the training video but we couldn't find a date that fitted); it's so much easier for me than a "normal" person, I just remove the "plug" and they stick in the swab. Unlike a routine test where they jab the thing down your throat and then up your nose I literally felt nothing, who knew having a hole in your neck had an upside?:D

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4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Had to have another test today ahead of routine hospital check on Tuesday, and the testers have now had training on how to do a test on someone with a stoma (I was actually asked to be the guinea pig in the training video but we couldn't find a date that fitted); it's so much easier for me than a "normal" person, I just remove the "plug" and they stick in the swab. Unlike a routine test where they jab the thing down your throat and then up your nose I literally felt nothing, who knew having a hole in your neck had an upside?:D

I had my swab yesterday for my second eye op next week.

Just seen there are 2 cases of the new variant in the UK.   I think there will be a lockdown. 

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