Louis Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I didn't see that one coming! They signed both Tevez and Mascherano today - it's something to do with some MSI group - apparently linked with Russian mafia ! How exciting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 I couldnt believe it when I seen it on skysports, what a signing! Hats off to Pardew and co.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They are only loan deals people, and if rumours are to be believed they are only there until Chelsea want them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Still though! Tevez to Westham!! Its still some signing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 That's incredible. Chelsea have done that solely to keep tevez out of the hands of arsenal and man u (who are both out for a striker). Mad money and influence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted August 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 So do you reckon we will see more Chelsea targets lining up for West Ham in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Maybe, Portsmouth were also contenders to get these two players aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They'll line up for everyone. Remeber they bought smertin and loaned him out the next day? Also they bought shaun wright philips just to keep him away from arsenal i reckon. They didn't need him and didn't use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They'll line up for everyone.Remeber they bought smertin and loaned him out the next day? Also they bought shaun wright philips just to keep him away from arsenal i reckon. They didn't need him and didn't use him. 47964[/snapback] hats off to west ham what a coupe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted August 31, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Cherno Samba (football manager god) has just signed for Portsmouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraccerC Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 (edited) i hear they're set to sign, not sure if its a done deal yet also, mascherano is the better signing of the 2 Edited August 31, 2006 by CraccerC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 stopped work to listen to the radio when that came on :| couldnt believe it! i reckon romans got control of west ham making them use all their money to buy tevez and then buy him for chelsea on the cheap, i know it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 West Ham havnt bought him, its a loan deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish_Reg Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Something Fishy About Tevez And Mascherano To West Ham Deal And I’m not talking about the year’s supply of jellied eels they’ve got in front of them either. The deal to take Argentina stars Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to West Ham United hasn’t officially been confirmed yet but football discussion forums are white hot with the news and the potential implications, not only for West Ham but for the premiership at large. What would attract two of the world’s most sought after, young, talented international stars to Upton Park and the waiting arms of Alan Pardew? At first glance there is no logical explanation. West Ham had a great season last year after their promotion and surprised a lot of people (me included) with their classy football and solid defence that not only gave them a respectable league finish but also took them to the FA Cup Final. I doubt that their Cup Final defeat in one of the liveliest and most enjoyable Cup Finals in many years will have been enough to tempt the two Argies though and despite having a foot in European competition with the UEFA Cup, I doubt that’s the real pulling factor either. My suspicions lead me to a somewhat shadier deal being cooked up between the players’ club Corinthians, their owners MSI and another club with shady links to MSI and their owners. It’s long been rumoured that Roman Abramovich is the money man behind MSI and the reason that a broke Brazilian club like Corinthians could afford players like Tevez and Mascherano in the first place. It leaves no doubt in my mind that Chelsea and Roman are behind this proposed season long loan deal for the two Argentinians to West Ham and it’s only for one purpose - to acclimatise the players to London and the Premiership and see whether they are worth signing for Chelsea properly next summer. There can be no other reason for this transfer to take place. Yes, West Ham are a good, homely club with some good players but for a club to sign Carlton Cole this summer and turn around and also get Carlos Tevez, it leaves me wondering what the motives are. I think I’ve worked out the obvious answer and it doesn’t bode well for the rest of the Premiership. We’ve seen Chelsea’s strange buys and loan deals in the past with players like Smertin and Jarosik but this moves things to another level completely. Chelsea don’t outright own these players or their club but their guiding hand can skew the transfer market that they can prevent any of their near rivals in the top five from having these players while they park them at a safe and respectable club, close but not too close, for a season to let them mature in the English game. Something stinks around here and the smell is increasingly eminating from Roman Abramovich’s direction. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ makes perfect doesnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They are now both permanent deals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooberman Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 They are now both permanent deals 48006[/snapback] yeah just seen this - WTF?!?!?!? Tevez is rated at 18 million!! no wonder it's "undisclosed" this is the dodgiest deal in the history of the premiership... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 To sign both players apparently it is costing West ham £30million - £15million each, and then there is their HUGE wages. Wtf is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Chelsea are defo behind this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 where did the perminent deal come from? im sure Chelsea have arranged this so thay can check them out as prem players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooberman Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Chelsea are defo behind this 48014[/snapback] not a doubt in my mind that chelski are behind it - but why?!?!? doesn't make sense!! surely it would've been easier for them to buy them and loan them out?!?! i'm confused.....!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 well if Chelsea arrange them to be loaned here they risk no money on them, but can see if they can cut the prem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Keep an eye on SSN, theyve said they will tell us how the deal has been made after the break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 In May, Kia Joorabchian, the president of London-based MSI, said: "Tevez will leave Corinthians if a team pays the contract's release clause, which is between £69m and £83m." WHam must have shifted a few replica shirts in the close season to afford that then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Like most of you I feel there is more to come from this, it stinks to high heaven. If it is Chelski behind it, there is a hint of genius to it too. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Like most of you I feel there is more to come from this, it stinks to high heaven. If it is Chelski behind it, there is a hint of genius to it too. ATB Mac 48041[/snapback] Anyone who knows anything about football knows that West Ham cant possibly have afforded this deal. Agree with you about it being clever on the part of Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Anyone who knows anything about football knows that West Ham cant possibly have afforded this deal. Agree with you about it being clever on the part of Chelsea. 48044[/snapback] this all sounds iffie very iffie am not gonna say anymore just in case the maffia are involved you never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 The sad thing is alot of West Ham fans dont think its iffy at all and think they did the whole deal themselves very unlikely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Cherno Samba (football manager god) has just signed for Portsmouth. 47985[/snapback] He signed for Plymouth not Portsmouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 My mate's a WHam fan and he reckons this msi firm are going to buy the club next week and chelsea have nothing to do with it. He's absolutely buzzing, as well he might. Still bizarre though, tevez at west ham! Possibly the most amazing piece of transfer news i've ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 arnt you all just underestimating alan pardew who is a great manager....someone id have loved here at Goodison...hes a great visionary...good luck west ham. 48192[/snapback] I'd never want Pardew managing Everton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 i read on 3 news on my mobile, its suspected that MSI have aranged all this to get the two players into the Prem so they are in the shop wiondow. so they could sell the players rights to a club next year for massive sums. they are basically acting as an employment agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluetrip Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 i read on 3 news on my mobile, its suspected that MSI have aranged all this to get the two players into the Prem so they are in the shop wiondow. so they could sell the players rights to a club next year for massive sums. they are basically acting as an employment agency 48215[/snapback] I agree this whole deal is dodgy. The West Ham board are tight fisted to put it mildly and some of them are no strangers to mixing in very dark circles, so I'm told. Living in Essex for the last 18 months I've been told many times by moaning WH fans how they've siphoned the transfer money away for themselves while selling the clubs best assets re- Ferdinand, Lampard, Cole etc. I'm sure the tabloids will be all over it tommorow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 The Iranian is the front man...The Money is allegedly Bad Boris Abramovich Berezovsky's .... Whom is accused of being ....The Godfather of The Kremlin...A Chechen separitist/Mafia.... Behind Dodgey Election In the Ukraine...Many Political assas... & Big Ties to breakaway ( Weapons Shop state)The Republic of Trans-Dniester . Believe me Roman is is one of Boris's Boys.....Not the other way round...Boris was/is conisdred the Baddest least ethical of all the Oligarch's. Expecting West Ham to have new owners soonly as Boris is also a mad footy nut . P.s Boris who has now changed his name & already been chased out of Brazillian exile by the C.I.A amongst others....Lives in London & is still in Exile from Mr Putin's Gangsta extradition squad's. See Doco..Russian Godfathers...top Viewing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Unbeliveable permenant signings, probabley the strangest in prem history - undiclosed fees, so we haven't got a clue what it is. Read yesterday that MSI were looking to buy West Ham. Well I think - With MSI as the players representatives - they have been sold on the cheap to West Ham, say a token payment only, to be put in the shop window so they can be sold for there true value next season. MSI will buy a stake in West Ham - who now have two players worth say £40M and cost next to nothing. Thay buy a decent stake of the club for say £75M and then sell two players for say £40m. So you have basically bought a share of the club for half its real cost. The two Argentinians will be adequately paid, given a taste of Prem football, and get there big money move to a competative club next summer. West Ham will get the services of two of the World Cups star players for 12 months, and a decent investor coming in. MSI will get to buy a decent stake in a London club with two world class player who are set to give a nice winfall payment almost instantly. Poor old Corinthians are left shafted buy everybody. It does smell a little bit - and I would not be surprised if this transfer story has a lot more legs on it - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Ruffrob said............."The two Argentinians will be adequately paid, given a taste of Prem football, and get there big money move to a competative club next summer." ................. Whats to say they wont stay at West Ham, they are already looking quite a good side, but now with these two fella's and some more investment from the Russian takeover, whose to say that they wont be the New Chelsea. But i agree..........There is more to this than meets the eye. Time for an FA investigation on these Dealings, methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 according to the daily mirror they got them for, get this.... £1m each!!! now that is amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 £1M each - as I said that is just a token payment - for the value of the players that is basically having them for free. Somebody somewhere is going to make a heap of cash somewhere along the line. Very dodgy sounding deal, but I guess its all above board with a loophole somewhere. If we can all smell a dodgy deal then the powers that be must also have a wiff. Will be interesting to see what part 2 offers in their potential transfer next summer. Bit like watching Lost - What the f*ck is going on? - doesn't make sence - Then having to wait till for the next series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 i just read it was £1m for the pair, but its only to use them for one season. more than likely someone else will make a perminant move for them in the summer for big money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 West Ham dont see a penny of any transfer fee WHEN these two players are sold, it all goes to MSI. I wish someone would have let us have players like those, even if it is just for a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Toad Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 1mil for each doesn't surprise me. I knew it wouldn't be mega bucks as you can only disclose the fees upto 10mil. How funny would it be if they both turned out shite! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danish_Reg Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 MSI i believe are going to take over the hammers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Well they have received a take over bid and most people think the bid has been made by MSI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) I wish someone would have let us have players like those, even if it is just for a year 48284[/snapback] Bollocks...West Ham are being used and belittled. Neither of the Argentinians has any interest at all in playing for them other than as a stepping stone to "bigger" things, I'd be horrified if Everton were ever involved in something like that. We only want people at the club who want to play for Everton....it's a loophole that needs closing IMHO. "The essential contradiction of South American football in this globalised world, is that it runs at a financial loss but produces some of the most marketable commodities: the best players. "So investment consortia take advantage of the financial weakness of the clubs to secure the rights to sell the players - which is where the money is. "MSI - who also own a stake in Corinthians - bought Tevez's registration for $20m (£10.5m). South American football just doesn't generate the sort of money that makes that investment worthwhile. "So where's the return on the investment? From selling the players to European football. "And where can you get the biggest transfer fees? In a deal between two English clubs - so sell-on clauses are negotiated and money is made that way." "It seems that MSI still own these players and I would be absolutely astonished if that wasn't the case." "These players want to be in the Champions League, so if they're still at Upton Park in two years' time then something will have gone wrong with the scheme somewhere along the line. " Disgraceful Edited September 1, 2006 by mikeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 With Mike on this one, the sooner there is an investigation the better. Not through any jealousy, but for the simple reason, this game of ours has lost a good deal of integrity over the last three years. Now is the time to make a stand against corporate greed and involvement, before the football world smells a rat. ATB Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 What was wrong with the Kewell transfer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 (edited) I thought Kewell had gone to the shite on a free because his contract had run down. Shows how much attention I pay. Was it not the other way round anyway, Liverpool paid £5million and £2million went to Kewell's agent because this is what Sky Sports say the deal cost - Leeds United Liverpool 09 Jul 03 £5,000,000 Edited September 1, 2006 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 He was yet another one of those, 'i've supported liverpool all my life' bell-ends as well wasn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Arent they all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEye Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 leeds only got two million they where gutted. 48372[/snapback] Bet that didn't even pay the bill for the goldfish food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 the man who brought tevez and mascherno to west ham has said today they will be there after next summer and is not putting them in the shop window Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 (edited) the man who brought tevez and mascherno to west ham has said today they will be there after next summer and is not putting them in the shop window 48399[/snapback] At the risk of repeating myself...bollocks. The Argentine duo were only told about the move two days before it took place. Mascherano added: "Pardew talked about his vision for us and the club and we both became very excited." Tevez and Mascherano, both 22, starred in the World Cup and have been tracked by a host of teams across Europe. But West Ham beat off the competition to land the pair on permanent contracts. Tevez says he became a fan of the Hammers last season when another Argentine player, Lionel Scaloni, moved to Upton Park on loan from Deportivo La Coruna. "I had followed the club quite a bit last season because I am a close friend of Lionel," added Tevez. "We watched every West Ham game in Argentina because of our friendship and he spoke very highly of the club, its supporters and the manager." Mascherano was also pleased to complete the move, saying: "I am also aware of some of the great players at West Ham. "I know of Anton Ferdinand - he is talked about a lot in Argentina as a great player of future, while I also like Nigel Reo-Coker, who is a very dynamic captain and displays the work ethic that is clearly in place here." ( honest) All very plausible(!) and I don't believe a word of it. The only way that they'll still be there next year is if (as Licker suggested) West Ham qualify for the Champions league but the bookies still have them behind Everton (and Newcastle, Spurs and Villa) in the betting for fifth which I think is about right. Needs investigating by the FA. Edited September 2, 2006 by mikeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted September 2, 2006 Report Share Posted September 2, 2006 UEFA are looking at it and looking at the perm deal tag aswell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ola Posted September 3, 2006 Report Share Posted September 3, 2006 UEFA are looking at it and looking at the perm deal tag aswell 48403[/snapback] west ham bought em not on your nelly this is just a ploy to get cash 4 these players and make a buck or two this is as bent as barrymoore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Doing them a lot of good isn't it. Two nil down at home to the barcodes and both Argentinians subbed...be interesting to see if Tevez and Maraschino Cherry hang around for the Championship...serves the mercenary bastards right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 .serves the mercenary bastards right! 50576[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Obviously UEFA & FIFA didnt get a cut eh....hence the investigation..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Gonna lose again...this time to Man City ...bloody masterstroke bringing those two in wasn't it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Hate to keep going on about this (not ) but they've lost again. Tevez subbed after seventy-two mins...replaced by Mascherano???? No, left him on the bench and put on a forty year old. Whoever cooked up this fetid, corrupt "transfer" is getting their just reward...long may it continue . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 It is good news Mike, but most of us thought they would have a bad season this time around before those two came in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willo Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 The whole deal was a fookin farce and glad to see its reaping its rewards , hope the scumbag hammers go down n then we'll see the true Tevez and Mascherano pi55 off to SPain or the likes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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