Palfy 3,102 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 2 hours ago, Palfy said: I thought he acquitted himself very well for his first introduction to the team, in what was not his normal position against an on point Liverpool team, and up against Mane, not a to difficult first game was it.Β Fuck me apologies I was silly enough to think this was the Godfrey thread, not the Mina!!! Wankers?π Hafnia and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shukes 4,212 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 We support diversity on TT Palf! Why does the Godfrey thread have to be all about him? Letβs bring everyone into it π Palfy and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Just now, Shukes said: We support diversity on TT Palf! Why does the Godfrey thread have to be all about him? Letβs bring everyone into it π Palfy, markjazzbassist and Shukes 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 9 minutes ago, Shukes said: We support diversity on TT Palf! Why does the Godfrey thread have to be all about him? Letβs bring everyone into it π Ok but not you know who please π Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shukes 4,212 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 22 minutes ago, Palfy said: Ok but not you know who please π I wasnβt even Gana mention him mate. Iβm not like that! Were Lu? I mean you? Palfy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 1 minute ago, Shukes said: I wasnβt even Gana mention him mate. Iβm not like that! Were Lu? I mean you? Β Palfy and Shukes 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,366 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 Godfrey.... Played well at right back.Β Β Bloody Nora Carlo he's a centre half, what are you doing playing him in other positions. ..... You'll probably play him in defensive midfield next. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 26 minutes ago, Shukes said: I wasnβt even Gana mention him mate. Iβm not like that! Were Lu? I mean you? πππ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Romey 1878 13,072 Posted October 18 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 18 Just back to Godfrey for a moment - an underrated moment from yesterday was watching Henderson's head bounce off him and Godfrey barely even noticed he'd been touched and looked confused as to why Henderson was horizontal Β . Wiggytop, Bailey, Hafnia and 5 others 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,366 Posted October 18 Report Share Posted October 18 17 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: Just back to Godfrey for a moment - an underrated moment from yesterday was watching Henderson's head bounce off him and Godfrey barely even noticed he'd been touched and looked confused as to why Henderson was horizontal Β . Yeah I clocked that, which prompted me to say what a good strong athlete he looks.Β Henderson is a solid lad so it indicates a good attribute Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post pete0 1,880 Posted October 18 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 18 Needed to stay closer to Mane a couple of times but other than that done well all things considered, out of position,new team, and pitted against Mane who Liverpool were playing too. StevO, Romey 1878, Matt and 2 others 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,072 Posted October 19 Report Share Posted October 19 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1865571/debutant-godfrey-identifies-major-everton-character-trait https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ben-godfrey-explains-everton-transfer-19125116 I'm looking forward to seeing much more from this lad. Palfy, markjazzbassist and Matt 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 2,987 Posted October 19 Report Share Posted October 19 sounds confident and excited and willing to learn and grow, all things we want from a player. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cornish Steve 2,962 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 It's only one game, but he looks like a major asset. His run down the right was full of confidence, and he played well in defense. The most positive thing is, at this stage, I don't see an obvious weakness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 1,706 Posted October 20 Report Share Posted October 20 Very athletic player. Would never have thought of him as an option in the market after last season so credit to the scouting team for spotting him. Perfect age as well markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted October 22 Report Share Posted October 22 On 17/10/2020 at 19:27, Finn balor said: Donβt see it as Mina being flashy he was running the other way and the ball came across and he tried to get something on it. It just fell to salah who buried it. Godfrey was good today. Couple of good blocks. Good on the ball. Didnβt look out of place at allΒ You see this quite a lot to be honest. If it comes off, everyone raves about how skillful he is. If it doesn't, it well ends up like this. I have seen plenty of very good players do the same thing, in fact I am pretty sure VVD did it a couple of weeks ago!Β On 17/10/2020 at 19:23, c1982 said: That back healed lazy/flashy βclearanceβ he did today seems like a bad habit - not the first time heβs done it today. It needs coaching out of him as I remember moaning about it in the past!!! I think heβs a good player and clearly a positive character in the dressing room but he does worry me in a John Stones (who I really like as a player still) type way! I don't think it is being flashy or lazy but more about wanting to get something on the ball with his dominant foot. A left footer hooks that ball away a lot easier and I still think that is what he should have done but at the same time I could also see him skew it into the top corner! On 17/10/2020 at 23:00, London Blue said: Just seen it again on MOTD, and there was nothing else he could do, just unlucky it went to Salah. I thought he played well apart from that. I thought he played alright and despite my comments above, the important thing that he needed to do was get the ball to safety and in the end it went straight to the one man you don't want it to go to inside the box. Ironically he would have probably been better served by not touching it at all!Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,072 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/1872629/godfrey-reveals-ancelotti-message-before-first-everton-start Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,366 Posted October 25 Report Share Posted October 25 His versatility is a definate asset. Have any players ended up being good full backs after starting as centre halves? Gets his coat..... StevO 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,072 Posted October 28 Report Share Posted October 28 https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12115325/ben-godfreys-journey-to-everton-shaped-by-season-at-shrewsbury Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted Sunday at 14:02 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:02 Is and never will be a RB, he looked completely lost today. Iβd give him a game in the centre, drop Mina and put Holgate at RB until Seamus is back. But never again at RB.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted Sunday at 14:06 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:06 4 minutes ago, Matt said: Is and never will be a RB, he looked completely lost today. Iβd give him a game in the centre, drop Mina and put Holgate at RB until Seamus is back. But never again at RB.Β He played right centre back today.Β markjazzbassist, pete0, duncanmckenzieismagic and 1 other 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 2,987 Posted Sunday at 14:06 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:06 3 minutes ago, Matt said: Is and never will be a RB, he looked completely lost today. Iβd give him a game in the centre, drop Mina and put Holgate at RB until Seamus is back. But never again at RB.Β he wasn't a RB today, he was RCB in aΒ back 3.Β he was shaky but so were keane and mina.Β we need a solid vet (thiago silva would have been great) to be steady and learn from. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted Sunday at 14:08 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:08 Just now, Bailey said: He played right centre back today.Β Did he? I only ever saw him in the RB position. But to be more clear, he should be the RCB in a 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted Sunday at 14:12 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:12 Just now, Matt said: Did he? I only ever saw him in the RB position. But to be more clear, he should be the RCB in a 4 Yeh he was definitely RCB in a 5 with Iwobi as the RWB.Β Personally I think he will make the same naive mistakes in a traditional CB position.Β He is just rough around the edges and needs time to learn and develop. It feels to me that his physical and technicalΒ ability has got him to this level and he just needs to learn how to defend a bit better. I'm sure it will come.Β pete0 and nutmegwolf203 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted Sunday at 14:35 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:35 21 minutes ago, Bailey said: Yeh he was definitely RCB in a 5 with Iwobi as the RWB.Β Personally I think he will make the same naive mistakes in a traditional CB position.Β He is just rough around the edges and needs time to learn and develop. It feels to me that his physical and technicalΒ ability has got him to this level and he just needs to learn how to defend a bit better. I'm sure it will come.Β I know he was on paper but he rarely seemed central in any way toΒ me. Agree with the rest though.Β Palfy 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted Sunday at 17:51 Report Share Posted Sunday at 17:51 3 hours ago, Matt said: I know he was on paper but he rarely seemed central in any way toΒ me. Agree with the rest though.Β He was meant to be, but your right from his actions you wouldnβt have thought so.Β Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted Sunday at 19:07 Report Share Posted Sunday at 19:07 1 hour ago, Palfy said: He was meant to be, but your right from his actions you wouldnβt have thought so.Β Thatβs a better way of putting itΒ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romey 1878 13,072 Posted Monday at 09:12 Report Share Posted Monday at 09:12 Three at the back just is not a good formation for us. I wish it would go away. Bailey 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted Monday at 18:58 Report Share Posted Monday at 18:58 9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Three at the back just is not a good formation for us. I wish it would go away. Possibly not but there are good reasons why he has implemented it, our 2 CD donβt play as a tight unit against Utd the space between Keane and Holgate was embarrassing, so by playing 3 CD heβs looking to close the space in the middle of our penalty area which isΒ killing us.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aidan 2,216 Posted Monday at 22:27 Report Share Posted Monday at 22:27 If imagine he knows it doesn't suit us, which just shows how much faith he has in any of our centre half pairings.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 1,706 Posted Monday at 23:19 Report Share Posted Monday at 23:19 14 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Three at the back just is not a good formation for us. I wish it would go away. I like 3 at the back but it requires the right kind of personal. I donβt think we had it. Maybe when we had Jags, Distin and Heigtinga but right now our CBβs donβt deal with danger efficiently enough. Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted Tuesday at 14:27 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:27 On 23/11/2020 at 09:12, Romey 1878 said: Three at the back just is not a good formation for us. I wish it would go away. I just can't get my head around why any team would want to play three centre backs. There are some sides that play the system a little differently such as Sheffield Utd with their overlapping centre backs and Arsenal where Tierney still attacks like a full bank despite playing at centre half. It just doesn't make any sense to me to play with 3 actual centre backs playing as actual centre backs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted Tuesday at 14:54 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:54 21 minutes ago, Bailey said: I just can't get my head around why any team would want to play three centre backs. There are some sides that play the system a little differently such as Sheffield Utd with their overlapping centre backs and Arsenal where Tierney still attacks like a full bank despite playing at centre half. It just doesn't make any sense to me to play with 3 actual centre backs playing as actual centre backs. I think itβs fairly obvious why he did it although it might not have gotten the desired effect defensively we were much better as anΒ attacking force, but more importantly for me it shows just how poor we are in the CD department we need an upgrade in players in that area desperately.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
London Blue 1,996 Posted Tuesday at 16:33 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:33 If we had used Holgate,Β Kean and Godfrey it would have worked betterΒ as Holgate is more aggressive in snuffing out danger. Matt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Formby 150 Posted Tuesday at 16:48 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 16:48 2 hours ago, Bailey said: I just can't get my head around why any team would want to play three centre backs. There are some sides that play the system a little differently such as Sheffield Utd with their overlapping centre backs and Arsenal where Tierney still attacks like a full bank despite playing at centre half. It just doesn't make any sense to me to play with 3 actual centre backs playing as actual centre backs. Not sure why, but I burst out laughing at this! Very Catch-22 type sentence. Bailey:Β It just doesn't make any sense to me to play with 3 actual centre backs playing as actual centre backs. Carlo: You'd rather we play full backs as centre backs? Bailey: Haven't we tried that? Carlo: Or centre backs as full backs? Bailey: Er...no. Carlo: Then we're playing centre backs as centre backs, right? Bailey: Okay, but why three of them? Carlo: Because it's the system. And they're also not very good. Got it? Matt and MikeO 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Btay 1,706 Posted Tuesday at 19:12 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 19:12 2 hours ago, London Blue said: If we had used Holgate,Β Kean and Godfrey it would have worked betterΒ as Holgate is more aggressive in snuffing out danger. Holgate and Godfrey as the wider 2, their pace allows them to cover the wide area and up against full backs. Iβd probably go Mina in centre at the moment but he and Keane are causing so many issues for us. Zouma would be perfect for this to work in my opinion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted Tuesday at 20:04 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 20:04 5 hours ago, Palfy said: I think itβs fairly obvious why he did it although it might not have gotten the desired effect defensively we were much better as anΒ attacking force, but more importantly for me it shows just how poor we are in the CD department we need an upgrade in players in that area desperately.Β Playing 5 at the back doesn't make the side defend any better in my opinion.Β 3 hours ago, Formby said: Not sure why, but I burst out laughing at this! Very Catch-22 type sentence. Bailey:Β It just doesn't make any sense to me to play with 3 actual centre backs playing as actual centre backs. Carlo: You'd rather we play full backs as centre backs? Bailey: Haven't we tried that? Carlo: Or centre backs as full backs? Bailey: Er...no. Carlo: Then we're playing centre backs as centre backs, right? Bailey: Okay, but why three of them? Carlo: Because it's the system. And they're also not very good. Got it? π€£ Don't get me wrong, I donβt necessarily agree with the other sides doing it either but at least I can see the tactical merit in playing that way. It looks like 5 at the back but actually it isn't. Its only 5 at the back when you defend but not when you attack.Β If you attack with 3 centre backs playing as centre backs you just lose an attacking player and in my opinion you don't shore up the defence any better. The argument is that you get a wing back further up the pitch, but you can achieve the same feat with 4 at the back.Β It is just a tactic that has come into the game a lot more commonly since Conte came into the league and I have seen a lot more sides play it poorly that I have play it well.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted Tuesday at 21:30 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:30 1 hour ago, Bailey said: Playing 5 at the back doesn't make the side defend any better in my opinion.Β π€£ Don't get me wrong, I donβt necessarily agree with the other sides doing it either but at least I can see the tactical merit in playing that way. It looks like 5 at the back but actually it isn't. Its only 5 at the back when you defend but not when you attack.Β If you attack with 3 centre backs playing as centre backs you just lose an attacking player and in my opinion you don't shore up the defence any better. The argument is that you get a wing back further up the pitch, but you can achieve the same feat with 4 at the back.Β It is just a tactic that has come into the game a lot more commonly since Conte came into the league and I have seen a lot more sides play it poorly that I have play it well.Β But 2 CD hasnβt been working for us if you hadnβt noticed we have one of the worst defensive records in the league this season, Carlo would dearly love to play that way but we havenβt got a half decent pairing between them, hence he has to try something different we canβt keep shipping goals and not try to do something about it.Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 2,987 Posted Tuesday at 21:41 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:41 7 minutes ago, Palfy said: But 2 CD hasnβt been working for us if you hadnβt noticed we have one of the worst defensive records in the league this season, Carlo would dearly love to play that way but we havenβt got a half decent pairing between them, hence he has to try something different we canβt keep shipping goals and not try to do something about it.Β 5th worst in the league goals against.Β i didn't believe you, i looked it up.Β you're right, defense is BAD Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Palfy 3,102 Posted Tuesday at 21:56 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 21:56 10 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: 5th worst in the league goals against.Β i didn't believe you, i looked it up.Β you're right, defense is BAD Not good is it, Iβm of the opinion itβs not down to the managers tactics it more down to the lack of good CDs in the team.Β Shukes and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hafnia 6,366 Posted yesterday at 08:39 Report Share Posted yesterday at 08:39 10 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: 5th worst in the league goals against.Β i didn't believe you, i looked it up.Β you're right, defense is BAD I did make this point before the Fulham game, we had conceded as many as the bottom side Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matt 7,716 Posted yesterday at 09:21 Report Share Posted yesterday at 09:21 Iβm not that concerned long term about the CBs at the moment. Theyβve gotten a completely new midfield in front of them, Holgate has been out for a while and will be getting up to speed, Coleman being out has had a big impact and James not really doing any defensive work doesnβt help either. Doucoure and Allan are excellent at closing down but thereβs definite improvement for tracking runners from their side and communication from the CB. Just need the stupidity snuffing outΒ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwlad all over 528 Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago Ben Godfrey thread, why did we sign him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markjazzbassist 2,987 Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said: Ben Godfrey thread, why did we sign him? To play CB, I put him in my lineup in the match thread. Β Heβs quick and weβll need that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bailey 4,680 Posted 4 minutes ago Report Share Posted 4 minutes ago On 24/11/2020 at 21:30, Palfy said: But 2 CD hasnβt been working for us if you hadnβt noticed we have one of the worst defensive records in the league this season, Carlo would dearly love to play that way but we havenβt got a half decent pairing between them, hence he has to try something different we canβt keep shipping goals and not try to do something about it.Β Those goals aren't down to the centre backs though. Yes they have their hands to play in the goals but most of the goals have started from mistakes from those in front of them. From what I have seen there is a lot of miscommunication between the midfield and defence. Neither the CB's nor the midfielders are sure whether they should be tracking, sitting in, pushing out or getting tight. I think we are still in the bedding in phase. Lots of new players, new tactics and an unsettled side. It will either stick and we will settle down and start conceding less goals or it will eat away at the players and it will go the way it did for Martinez! Β Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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