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HAHAHAHAHA! For far too long things have gone against us in derbies, so I do not give a shiny shite that we should have lost out with decisions today. I'm going to revel in it.

Personally, I’m annoyed if my keeper isn’t going in for this.

People (on both sides) criticising Pickford for his tackle have clearly never played in goal, it's a 50/50 ball and you're taught from year naught to come out and take the ball, man, corner flag, refe

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1 minute ago, StevO said:

The first 15 minutes of the second half we should have scored twice, but didn’t convert. 
They were no more impressive than us today. Both teams weren’t good enough at the back and a threat going forward. 

We just didn’t get forward enough. 80% of our balls to the forwards were shocking. 

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A point is a good result against the champions. We are guaranteed to stay top after this game week which is great for the confidence of the team. DCL makes it 7 in 5 games and has scored in 5 games in a row for us. James has 3 goals and 3 assists in those 5 league games. We're looking dangerous and are still 100% contenders for champions league football. 

As long as Liverpool, Chelsea or City don't completely run away with it we will be in contention for the league title. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

A point is a good result against the champions. We are guaranteed to stay top after this game week which is great for the confidence of the team. DCL makes it 7 in 5 games and has scored in 5 games in a row for us. James has 3 goals and 3 assists in those 5 league games. We're looking dangerous and are still 100% contenders for champions league football. 

As long as Liverpool, Chelsea or City don't completely run away with it we will be in contention for the league title. 

 

City are currently 9 points behind

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8 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

Pickford tackle on VVD was awful and he should have been given a red, I wonder if he was trying for a bit of retribution after VVD should have had two yellows, one for tackle on James and the other on DCL

Don’t think it was retribution, more just clattering in chaotic action.  Still a red.  But VVD did deserve a yellow, didn’t he?  Wasn’t it in first minute or 2 that he deliberately hammered James or somebody.

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We now have some real talent, so that one of our best players 2 seasons ago, Gomes, now looks mediocre at times.  James and Allan are special, and DCL might become a great striker.

But Liverpool still looked the better team most of today’s match.  Better pace, pressing, passing, creativity.  Two outstanding talents in Mané and Salah.

Don’t know what happened to them v. Villa.  Glad it did.  Also glad we lucked out today, but it took very unusual luck to take a point today.

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1 hour ago, Elston Gunnn said:

Didn’t look offside from multiple stop-action replays, so VAR decision seemed crazy wrong, seemed a legit goal.

But American TV commentators (neither of whom is American) said VAR uses other cameras that we don’t see.  That’s the only way I can understand why that goal didn’t stand.  Glad it didn’t, but I’ll hope we get to see what VAR saw, just to understand.

Also, VAR was involved in the Pickford-VVD clatter, and I don’t understand that one either.  We lucked out twice with VAR today.

I genuinely felt the opposite. Live time I said to my son that looked off. Granted I didn’t expect it to be so close. However the rule is the rule. We’ve lost out in the last year and nobody was shouting a screaming for us (Man U) in particular so I couldn’t care less. If they were a good enough side they’d already be beating us by then. I’ll let them cry into their chips tonight. 

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17 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

We now have some real talent, so that one of our best players 2 seasons ago, Gomes, now looks mediocre at times.  James and Allan are special, and DCL might become a great striker.

But Liverpool still looked the better team most of today’s match.  Better pace, pressing, passing, creativity.  Two outstanding talents in Mané and Salah.

Don’t know what happened to them v. Villa.  Glad it did.  Also glad we lucked out today, but it took very unusual luck to take a point today.

Agree with this but they are part of a stable team, look at us we've only just started. Just wait till this new look side really gel!!

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1 minute ago, barryj said:

I genuinely felt the opposite. Live time I said to my son that looked off. Granted I didn’t expect it to be so close. However the rule is the rule. We’ve lost out in the last year and nobody was shouting a screaming for us (Man U) in particular so I couldn’t care less. If they were a good enough side they’d already be beating us by then. I’ll let them cry into their chips tonight. 

You know, I agree with you that live action I, too, thought he was offside, and definitely hoped so.  But then the repeated stop-action photos didn’t look offside to me.  So then I heard commentators talking about VAR looking at different camera shots than we see, so that confused me.

And now I hear talk that a “sleeve” was offside, so I don’t know what that means, or more likely I don’t know the intricacies of the rule.  Sleeve??

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5 minutes ago, barryj said:

What happened to them against Villa is they had no Mane, Henderson or Thiago 

Yes, that makes sense, though it must also have been a case that at some point, they just mentally collapsed.  Everything going right for Villa, just a case of everything going shockingly wrong at once for the Reds.

I will need to pay some attention to Villa.

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3 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

HAHAHAHAHA!

For far too long things have gone against us in derbies, so I do not give a shiny shite that we shoudl have lost out with decisions today. I'm going to revel in it.

i was looking forward to your response today :) i agree, we never get the "rub of the green", it was nice for once.  glad the red shite got a taste of their own medicine.  they get the calls every week.

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19 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Drink it in, blues, drink it in. The worst losers going are at it again. Don't think they'll be wanting the kick out by Robertson looking into, or Mane tripping Mina on purpose...

 

 

I use to think Ferguson and Utd could never be beaten for crying 😭 when things didn’t go there way. 
But Klopp and the shite have taken it to another level over the last few years, fucking pussies.  

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Rumours going about saying VVD ruptured his ACL and will be looking at 6 months out. 

No chance those shithouses are winning the league this season if true, especially with Alison out for a month or two. 

ACL's are normally 8-9 months to be honest, it could be the start of next season at best when they see him again, plus he will more than likely miss the European Championships. 

They're title challenge doesn't rest on him solely, but he's a massive part of the machine gone. 

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9 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

ACL's are normally 8-9 months to be honest, it could be the start of next season at best when they see him again, plus he will more than likely miss the European Championships. 

They're title challenge doesn't rest on him solely, but he's a massive part of the machine gone. 

Weve seen this Liverpool defence without him. He's their most important player IMO. 

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5 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I don't like players getting injured but FFS has vvd got a monopoly on putting his foot in?  Awful challenge by Pickford but no malace.

No doubt they will want severe retro punishment

Would love to see all the Liverpool fans buzzing if Pickford got a retrospective ban.... And then see all the Everton fans buzzing too 😂

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

Would love to see all the Liverpool fans buzzing if Pickford got a retrospective ban.... And then see all the Everton fans buzzing too 😂

Pickford will have to go into his own version of lockdown, Carlo will have to send him on a firework safety course to deal with all the rockets and flares and stuff.

 

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Don't get why so many think Pickford deserved a red when even their manager said the Pickford one would usually be yellow.

Joke that all the talk is about us getting a decision, at best Pickford didn't get a yellow. Looking at our red Richarlison didn't hit him with the stoods so arguably should've been a yellow. Only clear red was Robertson for being shit bag, then there's maybe Mane for the same thing but they didn't focus on him in the replays.

Should be a lot more noise about Mane for the diving too. 

 

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Replays show Richarlisons studs clearly hitting his ankle mate. Can’t really defend that one.

pickfords was awful and we were lucky.

Agree with Robertson, he should have been getting a Ellie at least for that.

Mane’s was not quite as bad as Pickfords, but deserved a yellow, and his diving was way over the top. 

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46 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Mane’s was not quite as bad as Pickfords, but deserved a yellow, and his diving was way over the top. 

And there was the one with Gomes high foot, Manes head touch’s the ball the same time a Gomes foot does, Mane goes down as if he’s been kicked in the head, blatent cheating.

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I wish we had another 7 or 8 contentious decisions go our way.  Pickford should have walked,  Richarlison was right to walk, their goal should have stood.

But Robertson should have walked, mane too, VVD should have been on a yellow at least after 3 minutes.... BT sport can fuck off too 

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8 hours ago, pete0 said:

Don't get why so many think Pickford deserved a red when even their manager said the Pickford one would usually be yellow.

Joke that all the talk is about us getting a decision, at best Pickford didn't get a yellow. Looking at our red Richarlison didn't hit him with the stoods so arguably should've been a yellow. Only clear red was Robertson for being shit bag, then there's maybe Mane for the same thing but they didn't focus on him in the replays.

Should be a lot more noise about Mane for the diving too. 

 

There manager and everyone who watched it knows it was a straight red, he could have cost us the game again.

We should have been down to 10 men and a penalty, he carnt help himself, hes not going to improve now.

The few good saves dont outweigh all the brain farts he has, imo.

Saying all that getting the breaks against them has been a long time coming.

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I love Derby’s with a bit of bite in them from both teams, it shows the fight and passion is there, how many times have we moaned in the past that we have rolled over and just laid down. 
Yesterday we put some steel into our game so did they they just came off worse in the injury stakes, tough fucking shit that’s how the cookie crumbles, it could have just of been the other way round, so I’m proud of everyone of our players who took them on toe to toe and kicked their egos into the ground, they were mixing it as much as us but they lost the fight and now there fucking crying. 

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3 hours ago, Tonsta said:

There manager and everyone who watched it knows it was a straight red, he could have cost us the game again.

We should have been down to 10 men and a penalty, he carnt help himself, hes not going to improve now.

The few good saves dont outweigh all the brain farts he has, imo.

Saying all that getting the breaks against them has been a long time coming.

Their manager said a yellow so how are you arguing otherwise?

Never a pen as it's offside.

4 hours ago, Shukes said:

Replays show Richarlisons studs clearly hitting his ankle mate. Can’t really defend that one.

pickfords was awful and we were lucky.

Agree with Robertson, he should have been getting a Ellie at least for that.

Mane’s was not quite as bad as Pickfords, but deserved a yellow, and his diving was way over the top. 

Depends what angle you view it from. At 16 second you see he's pulled his foot away and clash knees.

https://youtu.be/2GHkP9hx4jQ

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

Their manager said a yellow so how are you arguing otherwise?

Never a pen as it's offside.

Depends what angle you view it from. At 16 second you see he's pulled his foot away and clash knees.

https://youtu.be/2GHkP9hx4jQ

There manager said straight red not sure what interview you watched, Pickford had no idea when he lunged it was offside

Thats the whole point, he would have been off and a pen given, game over.

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17 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

There manager said straight red not sure what interview you watched, Pickford had no idea when he lunged it was offside

Thats the whole point, he would have been off and a pen given, game over.

He said if it wasn't offside it'd be a pen and a yellow.

But it was offside. Ref probs should have gave a yellow to Pickford. A yellow to the keeper would hardly have changed the game. 

Compare that to vvd should have been given two bookings in the first 5 mins (maybe that's why the ref didn't bother giving Pickford one).

Fabinho should have had one for shirt pulling to stop our attack.

Mane shouldn't have even been on the pitch, easily could have had two yellows for diving and potentially a red for the trip.

Robertson was definitely a red but didn't even get booked.

Add to that Robertson fouled our player in the build up to their first goal.

They had all the referee decisions go their way bar Pickford not getting a yellow. 

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We were rather fortunate to come away with a point in that game. For the life of me, I cannot see how Henderson's goal was offside. All four goals in the game, though, were really good. Whether we like it or not, Liverpool are a very good team with some outstanding players. The fact that we mostly went toe to toe with them shows how much we've improved - but we have quite a way to go to become truly dominant.

Pickford still concerns me. We can argue all day long about that challenge on VVD, but he was very lucky not to receive a card. It was reckless in the extreme - notwithstanding comments above that claim otherwise. And there should have been no need to disallow the goal at the end; Pickford should have done better. Yes, he made two outstanding saves, but I'm still nervous whenever he's involved. It's going to take time to change that, I think.

I thought our defense did quite well, despite the hesitancy that led to their second goal. Keane was solid, and it was good to see him score another. Digne's cross for our second goal was wonderful. Godfrey made a very good impression on his debut; he looks to be a good buy.

Up front, Richarlison was out of sorts and had a poor game. His rash tackle was stupid, and he deserved the red card. He said some nice words afterwards, but that doesn't make up for very poor judgment. DC-L took the header well, but he really should have scored earlier. He's getting better at taking chances, for sure, but that was a missed opportunity. He can get better, and I would expect him to continue to improve. James was kept quiet, although his quality was evident especially in the second half.

Once again, though, the midfield is where we're different - despite another poor performance from Gomes (I can't wait for Gbamin to be fit). Doucoure was strong and solid, but Allan was the more impressive. It's clear that Allan is not yet back to 100 percent, yet his impact on the game was obvious. He's a real fighter, tough, and the engine in midfield we've been screaming for.

By the way, another quantum change from prior seasons is our threat on set pieces. Corners are no longer a waste of time but an opportunity to score - every time.

The next game will be another tough one, since Soton achieved a strong result yesterday against Chelsea. The results in general, though, went well for us yesterday. Let's hope Villa and Leicester tie later today.

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2 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

People (on both sides) criticising Pickford for his tackle have clearly never played in goal

For me I expect the whinging reds to complain and cry about it, but I’m totally confused about the Evertonian’s who have backed their claims, not sure if it’s based on the fact they like to criticise Pickford for being Pickford, or they’ve forgotten what tribe they belong to. 
He was doing his job and doing it well, I personally can’t see any problem with that challenge in the context of the game and why it was made. 

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18 hours ago, pete0 said:

Their manager said a yellow so how are you arguing otherwise?

Never a pen as it's offside.

Depends what angle you view it from. At 16 second you see he's pulled his foot away and clash knees.

https://youtu.be/2GHkP9hx4jQ

If one angle shows his studs hitting his leg, then the studs hit his leg mate.

Because other angles don’t pick it up doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. 

Just so we’re all clear, contact doesn’t have to made to be a dangerous tackle either. The rules state that if a tackle is made with studs of the ground... it’s a red. It was a red regardless of any team he plays for. Fair play to Richarlison, he recognises that himself.

We should be moving on from last matches tackles in any case. We got a point from an excellent goal from DCL and stayed top of the league. 
COYB’s!!!!

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