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Nobody else is to blame today other than Carlo Ancelotti. Disgraceful from him the past 2 games. 

Summary of first half  

It leaves the game open to abuse, put it this way teams could rehearse that....  Aim for the defender on front post and get your attacker to run into his swinging foot when he goes to clear. 

That game pretty much went as I expected with our 4 most creative players out. Newcastle pretty luck with that penalty and that was about the difference between the team.

Think Ancelotti missed a trick not starting either Iwobi or Bernard in this one ahead of Gomes, to at least have one player who would has run at Newcastle a bit.

not going to get to disheartened as we would have battered them with two or three of our regular starters on the pitch.

 

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Carlo has received a lot of plaudits for how we have played recently but that loss is on him. Poor starting 11 and some late and delayed tactical changes. Its no surprise our goal came from the one attacking wide player, playing as an attacking wide player. 

Its a big bug bear of mine seeing full backs forced into unnatural attacking positions. The skill of an attacking full back is moving into space at the right movement so seeing Kenny and Niels wasted by playing as wingers and being marked out of the game, and then seeing that happen for about 60 mins boggles my mind a little. 

Olsen looked very solid. One good save you would expect and another world class stop. Nothing he could do about the goals either. Pleasantly surprised by his distribution too.

In the end both Keane and Mina were poor, they both had really sloppy moments. Mina's cost us a goal but Keane's could have too. The two full backs deserve another chance in my opinion. 

Allan played well, Doucoure played better once he was released from his right back covering role. Delph did OK but some of his decisions of when to pass were terrible. 

Gomes, who was playing in a completely unknown position was crap. Siggy got better and he starting taking on more responsibility as the game went on. I did think both he and Gomes were having a contest as to who could lose the ball most at one stage. 

DCL had a very mixed game. Some excellent hold up play, some terrible decisions and execution on the ball, but then some great bits of movement to see him score one and another he should have. 

As for the subs, I thought Bernard added some well needed energy in midfield. He made Newcastle commit more than they had to before then. Tosun didn't do a lot but he found some pockets of space and played some good balls, including the one for the goal. I also though Iwobi did well. He made sure he was always available to put a ball into the box and one of them counted. 

It is always tough when you have so many people out but Newcastle are crap and we need to win games like that regardless of whether we are at full strength or not. 

 

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I feel there are a few overreactions in here , yes we were shite but at the end of the day we lost away to a dodgy penalty and a lucky deflection

That side is nowhere near our strongest Xi , in fact if you has said to Steve Bruce before the game that he could take 4 players out of that Everton side, bar maybe DCL the 4 that were missing (Richarlison, James, Digne & Coleman ) are probably the 4 he would pick

We all know the squad isn’t good enough yet so to give Carlo stick for trying to make the best of a band hand seems harsh 

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That's what years and years of shit recruitment does, our squad depth is non-existent. A good chunk of the players that we're having to rely on are mid-table fodder (at best) so it's little surprise, if extremely depressing that we go up against what is a piss poor Newcastle side and create the square root of fuck all for 96 minutes. Our tactics were negative, because they had to be - the Southampton game showed that we have about as much threat as a wet fart after a salad, so the best option was to park the bus like a League Two side and try to snatch something on the break. There's pace in Nkounkou, but he's basically a youth team player so can't expect miracles from him and it's as if Jonjoe has a fucking magnet attached to his arse pulling him back to his own goal - take a shot every time he played the ball forward and you'd be as pissed as the Pope. If Schalke are still somehow interested in him, then slap a reasonable figure on him and move on. 

Keane was OK, but Yerry Mina had another shocker. Getting touch tight to Ryan Fraser, known in all four corners of the world for his pace is a recipe for disaster and lo an behold he gets in behind and makes it 2-0. Utter, utter schoolboy shite that should quite rightly be played on the big screen at Finch Farm with concluding questions about what the actual fuck he was thinking. Robin Olson gets a free pass to be honest, made his debut and did well as expected, would arguably give him a go against United. 

Delph - fuck off. Give him a £100,000 bonus when he manages to get a decent cross in and we'd still be £100,000 richer at the end of the season. Shite. Only managed to get a ride in Manchester City's side because he was English, had he come from overseas he'd be turning out for Grimsby. 

Andre Gomes (who I love to death) was shit, again. Stonewall penalty, don't kid yourself. Waving your legs like an inflatable outside a car garage in the middle of the box is again schoolboy shit and asking for trouble. Did Wilson make a meal of it? Yep, but you've got to ask why we're in that situation to begin with.

Bernard, another player that I absolutely love was dismal. Has a turn of pace but never uses it, instead opting to either play a 50 yard sideways pass or a defence splitting ball backwards to Michael Keane. Can be fucked off in January, again if Roma are wanting to give us silly money then take their arm off and move on. Gylfi Sigurdsson doesn't deserve half the amount of shite he gets but again, today, shit. Twatting balls from about 489 yards rather than actually looking to break the lines and feed DCL into play, he's a luxury player that in sides like this we can't afford to have. 

As for DCL, he had about as much service as a takeaway in Chernobyl. Fuck all. Had to come about 40 yards deep to even see the ball which meant he was basically a defensive midfielder wearing a number 9 shirt, amazing how when we actually get the ball in and around the six-yard box (through a deflection) he sticks it in the net and pulls us back into the game - had we done that from the first minute we might have actually got something. 

Overall another shit show, last week was abysmal and this was just as bad. Take out the genuine stars in our team; James, Digne, Richarlison and we're fucking abysmal. It's going to take more than one or two transfer windows to sort this out, and I'm living in hope that Brands and Carlo can set things right but at the moment, here and now we're a mid-table side sprinkled with world-class talent. A defeat to United will be three defeats in a row, winless in four - thank fuck that we had an amazing start to the season or we'd be rubbing shoulders with the pondlife that is Fulham, West Brom and Burnley. 

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

The team were set up to fail, again. I'm clearly not asking for him to be sacked, he is in part responsible for the past two losses. 

Not taking our chances cost us the game, we went there with 2 of our most influential players missing, and both our first choice full backs missing, we were never going to be expansive with the players at our disposal. 
We've had a poor penalty decision awarded against us and block that ballooned over the keeper fall for them , they haven’t scored a clean cut well made goal so I’d say our tactics worked and they fluke it, but to rub salt into the wound DCL and Gylfi missed 2 guilt edge chances, missing those types of chances in games that you know you aren’t going to get many in because the team is struggling with personnel is what loses you the game. 

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Im not very popular for blaming Carlo today! Musnt be able to do wrong! 

More the fact that you're chatting absolute shite, a team filled with bang average dross yet you're jumping down the easy option which is Carlo. The game-plan was depressing, negative but arguably the right one with the utter shite we had to choose from out on the pitch. To somehow create an agenda and throw the manager under the boss shows a clear lack of understanding of football tactics. 

8 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

So Gomes, Siggy, Mina, John Joe, were blameless.  All down to the manager? Ok mate. 

+1.

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Just now, Aidan said:

The team selection and tactics were down to Carlo, who got it wrong and is responsible today. Mate. 

If Carlo told Gylfi, Gomes and co to play shite then I would say ok.

But. Gomes and Gylfi as I have spoken about numerous times are weak as absolute piss.  When we were going well, Gylfi was on the bench and Gomes was getting carried.  You can do that when you have Richarlison and James and Allan and Doucoure aren't overwhelmed by the amount of possession conceded by the likes of these 2.

Ancellotti has done miracles with the little recruitment he's been able to do. 

 

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Just now, Zoo 2.0 said:

More the fact that you're chatting absolute shite, a team filled with bang average dross yet you're jumping down the easy option which is Carlo. The game-plan was depressing, negative but arguably the right one with the utter shite we had to choose from out on the pitch. To somehow create an agenda and throw the manager under the boss shows a clear lack of understanding of football tactics. 

We played 5 central midfielders today. It was like watching ronald Koeman manage us. He got the system wrong and was too scared of being beaten by a poor Newcastle team. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

If Carlo told Gylfi, Gomes and co to play shite then I would say ok.

So a manager can only get it wrong if he actually specifically tells players to not play well?

He's not done miracles at all, he's recruited exceptionally well and played a system which works when those players are fit. It's not a miracle we actually look like a good team when we bring in champions league level players. 

With the players we currently have fit we should still be capable of challenging against teams like Southampton and Newcastle.

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3 minutes ago, Aidan said:

We played 5 central midfielders today. It was like watching ronald Koeman manage us. He got the system wrong and was too scared of being beaten by a poor Newcastle team. 

 

No to be fair you're spot on, playing two at the back and four up front would have seen us break the record as the first team to score 10 goals in a Premier League game. E-mail a CV over to Moshiri, as you're clearly on a higher level to Carlo who's only won the Champions League three times.

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Just now, Zoo 2.0 said:

No to be fair you're spot on, playing two at the back and four up front would have seen us break the record as the first team to score 10 goals in a Premier League game. E-mail a CV over to Moshiri, as you're clearly on a higher level to Carlo who's only won the Champions League three times.

Cheers mate

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

So a manager can only get it wrong if he actually specifically tells players to not play well?

He's not done miracles at all, he's recruited exceptionally well and played a system which works when those players are fit. It's not a miracle we actually look like a good team when we bring in champions league level players. 

With the players we currently have fit we should still be capable of challenging against teams like Southampton and Newcastle.

I'm sorry..... You were saying the only person at fault was Carlo? Were you not?

Then you said with the players we had we should have beaten Newcastle..... So what was the factor???  Did all the players play well and it was just tactics? Or did the players struggle to pass well, retain the ball?

Did Carlo tell Gomes to be a slug on the first chance that the keeper saved? Did he tell mina to step against a quick player and get rolled? 

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And for the record Gomes didn’t kick the back of Wilson’s leg it clearly shows his boot made connection with the underside of Wilson’s studs, because Wilson has jumped into Gomes after Gomes starts his movement to clear the ball. 
Fucking piss poor decision only backed up by Roy Keane out of the panel pundits because he’s a fucking prick and thinks he’s hard by being controversial. 

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2 minutes ago, Palfy said:

And for the record Gomes didn’t kick the back of Wilson’s leg it clearly shows his boot made connection with the underside of Wilson’s studs, because Wilson has jumped into Gomes after Gomes starts his movement to clear the ball. 
Fucking piss poor decision only backed up by Roy Keane out of the panel pundits because he’s a fucking prick and thinks he’s hard by being controversial. 

Callum Wilson the dickhead pretty much admitted he tried to get kicked by the swinging leg. 

Yeah nice one you tit, hope you get a ban and have pennos denied to getting your legs kicked to bits. 

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5 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I'm sorry..... You were saying the only person at fault was Carlo? Were you not?

Then you said with the players we had we should have beaten Newcastle..... So what was the factor???  Did all the players play well and it was just tactics? Or did the players struggle to pass well, retain the ball?

Did Carlo tell Gomes to be a slug on the first chance that the keeper saved? Did he tell mina to step against a quick player and get rolled? 

Wow, you are pedantic aren't you? 

I admit my initial choice of words was wrong. To say it was 'disgraceful' was an over reaction to a frustrating game. My opinion though is that carlo got the system wrong. If you think he got it right and the players were the ones responsible then more power you.

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2 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Callum Wilson the dickhead pretty much admitted he tried to get kicked by the swinging leg. 

Yeah nice one you tit, hope you get a ban and have pennos denied to getting your legs kicked to bits. 

What Callum Wilson did is something that we should be looking to take advantage of ourselves. There are more penalty decisions than ever and we need to be aware of that in the opposition box. If you cant beat them, join them. 

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Just now, Palfy said:

It’s not irrelevant.

We probably have one of the best managers in the game, and that’s been said by many people more qualified than us to make that statement, for me Carlo’s selection wasn’t wrong his players let him down in certain area’s. 

Just because he's so successful doesnt mean he always makes the right decisions. My selection or system is irrelevant because I'm not a manager, I'm still allowed an opinion on it. 

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1 minute ago, Aidan said:

We played 5 central midfielders today. It was like watching ronald Koeman manage us. He got the system wrong and was too scared of being beaten by a poor Newcastle team. 

 

Think that was more down to the players not being up to it - Jon jo and Niels struggled to replace Coleman and Digne. I think the tactic of have Dacoure and Delph covering them (as both inexperienced at this level) to allow then to attack when in possession was the right tactic. Neither of their movement or end product wasn't good enough so. We needed to get lucky and have one of them have a 'great' game. One decent performance from either of these and we win this game.

I can't be too critical of either Jon Jo or Niels as they don't have the experience or the usual 'winger' if front of them.

I don't think Gordon played because there was enough 'inexperience' on the pitch already, and like he Ancelotti has said on many occasion the most difficult think is keeping the player who are not in the starting 11 motivated. Putting in so much youth in the team ahead of senior player just outside of the starting 11 would work against this. 

We just didn't have any sort of outlet on either wing. 

Before the game I would have taken a draw., because the game pretty much turned out as I expected.

I think most disagree with your Ancelotti comment as you used the term that his team selection and tactics where 'disgraceful' - bit over the top.

Seeing how poor Newcastle actually where against his make shift starting line up, I am sure with hindsight, he will probably think he could have maybe been a bit bolder in the first half. 

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Just because he's so successful doesnt mean he always makes the right decisions. My selection or system is irrelevant because I'm not a manager, I'm still allowed an opinion on it. 

But if you don’t back your opinion up then it just comes across as criticism for the sake of criticism, if you’re going to criticise someone for not making the right decisions at least quantify what you believe would have been the right decision’s, and you never know we could end up agreeing with you 👍

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40 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

What would you have done? Who would you have picked and where? 

 

Played a wide player, maybe be really reckless and play two?

Played full backs as full backs. 

Played Doucoure as the box to box player he is. 

Its a completely fair point to say we were lacking key players, and that is always going to detract from the performance, but no-one is telling me that the Newcastle side we played today is better than ours even with those losses. They had a midfield of Hendrick, Longstaff and Almiron. 

The players have to look at themselves today but also I think Carlo will watch that game back and think that whatever he was trying didnt work.

 

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2 shite, lack lustre performances with squad players coming in that simply aren’t good enough.

Carlo will add more quality come January and Jan can’t come soon enough.

would we have taken being 2nd after 7 games at the start of the season? Fucking right we would.

massive game against united before the int break.

win that and it’s all roses again!

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Just because he's so successful doesnt mean he always makes the right decisions. My selection or system is irrelevant because I'm not a manager, I'm still allowed an opinion on i

So Your opinion that he shouldn't have played 5 midfielders was based on....... Nothing.  

Which means your point is nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Aidan said:

Wow, you are pedantic aren't you? 

I admit my initial choice of words was wrong. To say it was 'disgraceful' was an over reaction to a frustrating game. My opinion though is that carlo got the system wrong. If you think he got it right and the players were the ones responsible then more power you.

I'm not being pedantic.... There's nothing pedantic about asking why the manager alone was at fault.  Like the players weren't to blame which is what you were implying. 

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I don't actually think we played badly, like we did against Southampton, but there was nothing great either. Newcastle didn't boss us or out compeate us, it was just a lack of quality to cut through a fairly defensive Newcastle side. 

It's particulay annoying, as that could have been a fairly easy 3 points if we just had one decent attacking outlet on the pitch. On any other day could have just as easily been us winning by a single goal. 

Last week we where  simply out played!! This week Newcastle just about got the rub of the green for us to come away with nothing. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Played a wide player, maybe be really reckless and play two?

Played full backs as full backs. 

Played Doucoure as the box to box player he is. 

Its a completely fair point to say we were lacking key players, and that is always going to detract from the performance, but no-one is telling me that the Newcastle side we played today is better than ours even with those losses. They had a midfield of Hendrick, Longstaff and Almiron. 

The players have to look at themselves today but also I think Carlo will watch that game back and think that whatever he was trying didnt work.

 

We had no first choice/credible defensive fullback.

But the two fullbacks we had can bomb on so they were the width in a side that lacked our two first choice attacking wide players .....

Therefore the cover came from the midfield players.  

Made complete sense to me. 

Our options were Iwobi, Bernard, neither of whom are wide IMO. Or Gordon. 

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One of the reasons we lost today was that we lacked movement upfront. So many times we had the ball in midfield, passed it around nicely but had to go back as there was nobody making runs or finding space in front of them.

We lacked the runs of Richarlison and Dingne and the skill of James demanding players move to attacking situations.

We should have played two of Iwobi / Bernard / Gordon to give us that width. When we had Iwobi and Bernard on we actually looked dangerous.

Playing Siggy and Delph toom us back to the bad old days where we had no direction or ambition.

If this defeat means we see the end of Siggy and Delph in the team then this makes it easier to take.

On the plus side thought both full backs played well.

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54 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

We had no first choice/credible defensive fullback.

But the two fullbacks we had can bomb on so they were the width in a side that lacked our two first choice attacking wide players .....

Therefore the cover came from the midfield players.  

Made complete sense to me. 

Our options were Iwobi, Bernard, neither of whom are wide IMO. Or Gordon. 

Kenny has played many games for us and spent a season in the Bundesliga. If he can't defend by now he should have been moved on because he definitely isn't an attacking full back. 

Niels I have some sympathy with as it may have been worth a try but it didn't work and I am pretty sure that would have been obvious in training. 

Your argument fails spectacularly though because both went into the genuine full back position when they were asked to defend so Carlo clearly thought they were defensive full backs.

Furthermore playing someone wide doesn't add width if they can't get on the ball. They were easily marked by the Newcastle wing backs. At least a winger would have made the type of runs natural wide players make. Full backs don't and they didn't. 

It looked a disaster waiting to happen when the teamsheet was announced and it turned out that way. 

 

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I really don't think Ancelotti can be blamed for today's loss. Without four key players (Richarlison, James, Coleman, and Digne), we're no more than an average team with little depth. There's a certain malaise and couldn't-care-less attitude whenever Sigurdsson and Gomes play, and Delph is little better. No team can do well under those circumstances.

We're going to lose games as long as Richarlison and James are out, so let's at least learn some lessons from them.

  • Keane is improving with every game. He's a confidence player, and his confidence has returned.
  • Allan is a rock in that midfield, and we're a stronger team because of him. He should be wearing the captain's armband.
  • Doucoure, likewise, is a strong player, and you can tell he's beginning to get used to his new colleagues. He's another positive.
  • Nkounkou is a star in the making, and I hope he gets more chances to play. As one commentator noted, the last league game he started was in the French fourth division, but you'd never know it. Well done to our scouting organization.
  • Olsen had an excellent first game, and I was impressed with his obvious assurance around the ball. He demonstrated some excellent ball distribution, too. Pickford, at last, has real competition, and he must fight to keep his #1 spot. Being England's keeper does not mean you walk into an Everton team.
  • Mina is doing OK, and I have no complaints there. Kenny, though, is out of his depth.
  • Iwobi has potential, but his performances so far do not warrant a place in our squad. The same, IMO, can be said of Bernard.
  • Calvert-Lewin needs to be fed balls from the likes of Richarlison and James, and we're wasting his talents by not doing that. Which brings me to...

Sigurdsson was a mistake from the moment we paid a fortune for him. He has his moments of set-piece brilliance, but even they are becoming few and far between. There's just no urgency there, no determination to win: "C'est la vie. We win some and we lose some." No one with that attitude should be playing for Everton. And Gomes is no better. I had high hopes for him when we signed from Spain, but he's been quite the disappointment for me. I really don't get what others see in him. His attitude is too much like Sigurdsson's, and the number of incisive balls played are becoming rare. Maybe Delph tries harder than these two, but he has no better impact. His signing was, frankly, another mistake.

With our preferred starting eleven fit and raring to go, we're a Top Four team. Right now, we're a team that deserves to finish in the third quarter: 11th to 15th. Southampton and Newcastle are two teams we have to beat to make it to the Champion's League. It gets no easier next time out.

So back to my original point. Other than through force of personality, what can Ancelotti do to instill a sense of urgency into the play of Sigurdsson and Gomes? They are overpaid and will receive the same salary whether or not they bother on the field - and Ancelotti has no real alternative to playing them. Short of playing half the U-23 team, what do we expect him to do? You say we should have played with more width, but with whom? We're stretched beyond the limit right now.

Let's hope we have as good a transfer window in January as we had this past summer. And is there any possibility at all that player wages can depend on winning? If you're losing and feel it's OK to just kick the ball around to end the game, you should not be paid.

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I think Ancelloti is as frustrated as we are with the 'fringe' players at the club - most gave 5 to 6 out of 10 performances yesterday with the odd 7 out of 10. If they had all just upped it by an very achievable (and expected) 10% to say mostly 6-7 out of 10 instead - then we would would have probably won yesterdays game, that's all it would have taken. 

Even playing like we did with so many fringe players starting, there was still only a cigarette paper between us and Newcastle. So its almost doubly frustrating to come away with nothing. 

All I can put it down to is there being so many changes this weekend - they where just devoid of any sort of fluidity on either flank. 

When they are getting their chances, those players who came in should be trying to give Ancelotti a real selection headache, but they are just not doing this. You would think they would really roll their sleeve up and get on the pitch with the 'this game is mine' kind of attitude. What have they got to lose?

At the moment, there is one place up for grabs week in week out in our starting 11 - and between them at least one of Gomes, Gylfi, Iwobi or Bernard either in training or when they get on the pitch should be making it very hard for Ancelotti not to be starting them in games - but its almost the opposite with them.

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17 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Lost the post sorry but someone mentioned we haven't won a PL game without Richarlison. Is there more context to that? Since he signed, since Carlo started here? I'm curious what the actual stat is. Thank you!

My understanding is since we signed him he's missed seven games of which we've drawn four and lost three.

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1 hour ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Lost the post sorry but someone mentioned we haven't won a PL game without Richarlison. Is there more context to that? Since he signed, since Carlo started here? I'm curious what the actual stat is. Thank you!

 

50 minutes ago, MikeO said:

My understanding is since we signed him he's missed seven games of which we've drawn four and lost three.

This. We've not won a game that he's missed since signing here.

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6 hours ago, MikeO said:

My understanding is since we signed him he's missed seven games of which we've drawn four and lost three.

 

5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

This. We've not won a game that he's missed since signing here.

Thank you! Not encouraging for Saturday sadly. We're endanger of undoing all of our great work to start the season. I've said this sentence more than any other and I'll say it again: It's the hope that kills you. 

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Who am I to question Carlo, but even more who am I to question Haf? 😂

Cant understand what more Gordon had to do to feature. Can’t see the point of guaranteeing Pickford a start against Man Utd before the Newcastle game kicked off and lastly can’t understand why we at least didn’t have a midfielder that has some sort of attacking output or width. We are so fortunate to have a world class manger but I think we are still entitled to ask reasonable questions. Had he changed it we may still have lost but I think you’re allowed an opinion.  

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14 hours ago, barryj said:

Who am I to question Carlo, but even more who am I to question Haf? 😂

Cant understand what more Gordon had to do to feature. Can’t see the point of guaranteeing Pickford a start against Man Utd before the Newcastle game kicked off and lastly can’t understand why we at least didn’t have a midfielder that has some sort of attacking output or width. We are so fortunate to have a world class manger but I think we are still entitled to ask reasonable questions. Had he changed it we may still have lost but I think you’re allowed an opinion.  

I think the main issue is the manager was getting pelters as though he stopped our team from going out and winning.....

The biggest differential was that man for Man they were better than us.  When you have Gylfi and Gomes doing fuck all and we already had zero natural width because our first choice 4 players for the flanks were out then you look at why. And those 2 players didn't run, didn't pass well, in fact they didn't do anything well.

 

I'm all up for giving young players a go but Carlo for whatever reason does not think Gordon is ready.    I'm not going to question that because I've not seen enough from Gordon to suggest he is ready to step up in place of supposed international players who were used as a cover for the replacement fullbacks to provide the wide attacks 

 

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9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I think the main issue is the manager was getting pelters as though he stopped our team from going out and winning.....

The biggest differential was that man for Man they were better than us.  When you have Gylfi and Gomes doing fuck all and we already had zero natural width because our first choice 4 players for the flanks were out then you look at why. And those 2 players didn't run, didn't pass well, in fact they didn't do anything well.

 

I'm all up for giving young players a go but Carlo for whatever reason does not think Gordon is ready.    I'm not going to question that because I've not seen enough from Gordon to suggest he is ready to step up in place of supposed international players who were used as a cover for the replacement fullbacks to provide the wide attacks 

 

After their performances in this game, though, I'd take the gamble and replace Sigurdsson and Gomes with Gordon and Davies. He has to send a strong message in response to the half-hearted and aimless play of these two senior players. Frankly, it's worth risking us a game if it gives everyone's head a wobble for the rest of the season.

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9 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

After their performances in this game, though, I'd take the gamble and replace Sigurdsson and Gomes with Gordon and Davies. He has to send a strong message in response to the half-hearted and aimless play of these two senior players. Frankly, it's worth risking us a game if it gives everyone's head a wobble for the rest of the season.

Tried that, both players been dropped.  Top and bottom is they don’t care. 

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don't think it's that they don't care. Well, I certainly don't think it is in Gomes' case going from hearing him speak. I can't go off anything from Sig because you don't really hear anything from him but I'd be surprised if he doesn't care.

I suppose the level of care they have is that of "we lost today and I'm pissed off cos I like winning and it's nice.....wonder if we get back soon enough to go for a meal, I hope my pass stats were above 70% complete"

Vs

"Sorry love, it's best I don't come home tonight .... I'm completely fucked off.  I've just had a right go at a few players and Duncan had to calm me down, took a yellow card and I'm due a suspension"

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On 01/11/2020 at 23:50, Palfy said:

Strange that when Mike posted the team sheet not one person criticised Carlo and said this was going to be a disaster, or words to that effect, yet when we lose it’s a different story 🤷‍♂️

Well next time we line up with 5 central midfielders I'll make sure I drop what I am doing just so that I can come on the boards and let you know how much of a cluster fuck it is going to be!

On 04/11/2020 at 13:14, Hafnia said:

I suppose the level of care they have is that of "we lost today and I'm pissed off cos I like winning and it's nice.....wonder if we get back soon enough to go for a meal, I hope my pass stats were above 70% complete"

Vs

"Sorry love, it's best I don't come home tonight .... I'm completely fucked off.  I've just had a right go at a few players and Duncan had to calm me down, took a yellow card and I'm due a suspension"

1. You don't have a clue about how the players think and feel.

2. There is nothing to actually say that player 2 would perform better than player 1 and from a sports psychology perspective player 1's can be better suited to becoming elite sportsman as they don't carry as much emotional baggage and they are able to focus on moving forward rather than reflecting on the past. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

Well next time we line up with 5 central midfielders I'll make sure I drop what I am doing just so that I can come on the boards and let you know how much of a cluster fuck it is going to be!

1. You don't have a clue about how the players think and feel.

2. There is nothing to actually say that player 2 would perform better than player 1 and from a sports psychology perspective player 1's can be better suited to becoming elite sportsman as they don't carry as much emotional baggage and they are able to focus on moving forward rather than reflecting on the past. 

Maybe the fact I included the word "suppose" indicates that I wasn't stating it as fact .... I suppose you intentionally missed that part. 

I'm surprised you never questioned whether or not players go for a meal or indeed argue and have to be restrained by Dunc...

we've got weak spirited players who rely on others to step up.  Couldn't give a fuck if it matters what Myers Briggs personality type they are, or where they are on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.  

the players I mention do not lack talent, they lack desire.  

There's no stat site that can spoon feed you that type of insight unfortunately bailey. it's why pundits like Keane, Neville, Carragher get paid the money they do.  They spot shit that they hated as players, funny enough both Gomes and Gylfi have both been dug out by Neville for being passengers.

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6 hours ago, Bailey said:

Well next time we line up with 5 central midfielders I'll make sure I drop what I am doing just so that I can come on the boards and let you know how much of a cluster fuck it is going to be!

On 04/11/2020 at 13:14, Hafnia said:

OK Sir Alf Ramsey you do that, and for your information Alf we’ve played all of our games with 5 midfielders in a 433, this time it was a 4321, never the less it was 5 midfielders as before. 
So Alf I’m very much looking forward to your analysis today on how we are going to play based on the team selection, I’m sure you’re get it spot on as you are far more knowledgeable than Ancelotti, as one of your previous comments states “I could have told anyone having seen that line up we were going to lose” or words to that affect. 

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2 hours ago, Palfy said:

OK Sir Alf Ramsey you do that, and for your information Alf we’ve played all of our games with 5 midfielders in a 433, this time it was a 4321, never the less it was 5 midfielders as before. 
So Alf I’m very much looking forward to your analysis today on how we are going to play based on the team selection, I’m sure you’re get it spot on as you are far more knowledgeable than Ancelotti, as one of your previous comments states “I could have told anyone having seen that line up we were going to lose” or words to that affect. 

Sir Alf 😆😆

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5 hours ago, Palfy said:

Great spot after the event!!!

As ive said before people are still allowed an opinion during or after the game. A line up is just that, nobody knew which formation would have been played or what system was going to be implemented. 

The fact of the matter is nobody did say words to the effect of 'we're going to lose with that line up', but people did raise their concerns before the match. I think people have more faith in Carlo to make a system work compared to previous managers. Players did let him down, in my view he's still got to take some responsibility for that loss. 

And before people raise my previous posts soley blaming Carlo I've calmed down since then (for now until after todays game anyway!). 

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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Maybe the fact I included the word "suppose" indicates that I wasn't stating it as fact .... I suppose you intentionally missed that part. 

I'm surprised you never questioned whether or not players go for a meal or indeed argue and have to be restrained by Dunc...

we've got weak spirited players who rely on others to step up.  Couldn't give a fuck if it matters what Myers Briggs personality type they are, or where they are on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.  

the players I mention do not lack talent, they lack desire.  

There's no stat site that can spoon feed you that type of insight unfortunately bailey. it's why pundits like Keane, Neville, Carragher get paid the money they do.  They spot shit that they hated as players, funny enough both Gomes and Gylfi have both been dug out by Neville for being passengers.

 

 

Your point is that players need to care the way you think they need to care to be successful. Am I wrong? 

You just see everything black and white when in reality there is a massive grey area. Then you go on the attack when you get called out on it. 

There is simply no way that players get to this level if they lack desire. It's impossible. It just doesn't happen. Some show that in an outward manner, some don't. You have no idea what is going through their heads at any given moment. 

Keane, Neville and Carragher (two of which are failed managers btw) get paid to have an opinion. If they were as good as you seem to think they are they wouldn't be working for Sky they would be on the touchline every week managing their side. 

 

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