Romey 1878 Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, RuffRob said: Gabriel now out due to sending off. Do we go at them a bit more, or do we stay on the back foot again and try and hit them on the break. If Coleman is fit, then he starts for me, and I would tempted to play James ahead of Siggy in the middle. Just because James has linked well with Coleman. I would just be a little bolder (and different) to how we have played in the last two games against an out of form Arsenal. Olsen Coleman Keane Mina Godfrey Doucoure Davies Iwobi James Richarlison DCL I'd go a bit more attacking but I'd still be wanting to invite them onto us at the same time tbh. The pressure is on them massively to get something, so let them come at us and then blitz them as they fanny about with it. They're shite and we should be a little bolder, as you say. I hope to see Pickford back in for this one as well. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 Keep the same line up that started the 2nd half, I think we will still see Pickford reinstated and hopefully everyone else came through unscathed. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 16, 2020 Report Share Posted December 16, 2020 I’m just worried about Doucoure as he’s been through a mountain of work. We can get at them, it’s cliché but an early goal our way will have them rattled. Concerns over their pace uptop against Mina/Keane but they have done well the last 2 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 Also, Arsenal have Man City 4 days after this game in the cup, then chelsea. We have Man United 4 days after ( Man U have a 3 day turn around ) Its rare that the fixtures favour us but we can’t complain here. I don’t know if arteta can risk being dumped out of a cup right now or a loss to us. We might need to consider a bit of rotation for either Arsenal or Man U. DCL, Richarlison & Doucoure have been through a mountain of work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 If James is fit I would bring him in second half to get some fitness and offer another gear. Other than that play the lineup that’s winnjng Olsen holgate Mina keane godfrey Doucoure Gomes Gylfi iwobi DCL Richarlison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Btay said: Also, Arsenal have Man City 4 days after this game in the cup, then chelsea. We have Man United 4 days after ( Man U have a 3 day turn around ) Its rare that the fixtures favour us but we can’t complain here. I don’t know if arteta can risk being dumped out of a cup right now or a loss to us. We might need to consider a bit of rotation for either Arsenal or Man U. DCL, Richarlison & Doucoure have been through a mountain of work. We can't complain about the volume of work our players are doing. Number of game wise as we are in a much better position than Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal, Man U, and Man City. Last nights game was our first midweek game in months - we have only been playing once a week. The teams listed have been playing twice a week, every week for months - including away travel to Europe. All our player are going in to Xmas period far more fresher than the opposition teams we we are playing. If anything, work load wise we are at an advantage. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 5 minutes ago, RuffRob said: We can't complain about the volume of work our players are doing. Number of game wise as we are in a much better position than Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal, Man U, and Man City. Last nights game was our first midweek game in months - we have only been playing once a week. The teams listed have been playing twice a week, every week for months - including away travel to Europe. All our player are going in to Xmas period far more fresher than the opposition teams we we are playing. If anything, work load wise we are at an advantage. We looked very tired in the second half though, it was quite noticeable. Btay and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: We looked very tired in the second half though, it was quite noticeable. Was noticeable for a few players against Chelsea too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: We looked very tired in the second half though, it was quite noticeable. Yeah I think we might need some rotation. Might be a bit harsh to say but our back 4 aren’t covering loads of ground so they may be okay. Last thing we need is an injury to Doucoure, DCL or Richy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt said: Was noticeable for a few players against Chelsea too It was and I'm not criticising them for it either. They've all put everything into these two games so it's natural and I expected it. 29 minutes ago, Btay said: Yeah I think we might need some rotation. Might be a bit harsh to say but our back 4 aren’t covering loads of ground so they may be okay. Last thing we need is an injury to Doucoure, DCL or Richy. We do but we also have to be careful with that rotation as well. We all know below the starting 11 is quite a big drop off, so we'll have to be clever and only maybe change them one at a time. The last thing we need after building the confidence again is a heavy defeat. Btay and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: It was and I'm not criticising them for it either. They've all put everything into these two games so it's natural and I expected it. We do but we also have to be careful with that rotation as well. We all know below the starting 11 is quite a big drop off, so we'll have to be clever and only maybe change them one at a time. The last thing we need after building the confidence again is a heavy defeat. Absolutely. I just hope we keep the defence much the same. We are short a striker though. I can’t see Tosun offering anything up top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 17, 2020 Report Share Posted December 17, 2020 13 hours ago, Btay said: Absolutely. I just hope we keep the defence much the same. We are short a striker though. I can’t see Tosun offering anything up top. Bit harsh to bring Tosun’s balding into it. AlbanyNYToffee and Btay 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post London Blue Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 19 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Bit harsh to bring Tosun’s balding into it. His chances of playing are receding. pete0, markjazzbassist, Btay and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 23 minutes ago, London Blue said: His chances of playing are receding. Matt will be writing you a Christmas card as we speak Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, London Blue said: His chances of playing are receding. Zoo 2.0 and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbanyNYToffee Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Seamus is fit. Now what?! Surely there's an argument to be made he should start? Yes 4 CB's has worked for us recently but it is not a long-term solution. Do you start Seamus? If so does holgate go to LB? And either way do Holgate or Godfrey replace Mina? Things are going to get interesting with so many games coming up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 i believe the term "fit" is interpreted many different ways. some on here prefer the term "match fit" when talking about a player starting. if coleman is truly ready to go i still wouldn't start him, i would use him as a sub and let him get up to the pace that way. i would not disturb the wall that is our back 4. 2 clean sheets, no reason to mess with it. no need to rush seamus back. Palfy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 25 minutes ago, AlbanyNYToffee said: Seamus is fit. Now what?! Surely there's an argument to be made he should start? Yes 4 CB's has worked for us recently but it is not a long-term solution. Do you start Seamus? If so does holgate go to LB? And either way do Holgate or Godfrey replace Mina? Things are going to get interesting with so many games coming up. Not for me. Give him more time, it feels like he has been rushed back before and suffered a fresh injury. Given the results and the performance and that this game is one that you can play in exactly the same way as we have in those wins, it doesnt hurt to give him another weekend with his feet up. Palfy, Matt and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Don’t rush back an injured player + don’t change a winning team = common sense answer. Palfy, Btay, London Blue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt said: Don’t rush back an injured player + don’t change a winning team = common sense answer. That said, I wonder if Holgate comes in for Allan and Coleman starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matt said: That said, I wonder if Holgate comes in for Allan and Coleman starts? Please no, Holgate did very well in midfield, for a defender, but we have options in midfield who are actual midfielders, know the role and are better midfielders as a result. 3 games in 7 days is tough, but I would not change the back 4, they have kept 2 clean sheets in a row and are starting to play with a defensive cohesion that is so important. Coleman should only play if Holgate cant due to injury, tiredness or form. In midfield I would put Gomes in For Allan, he has played the most minutes with Doucoure, and Siggy the three played well together against Leicester. I do wonder if Siggy can play 3 games in midfield so you could swap him for Bernard, or bring Gordon in to that role. The top three keep their place. Another top team performance, 3 points and foot on the height of the wall around fortress Goodison please. Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 1 hour ago, London Blue said: Please no, Holgate did very well in midfield, for a defender, but we have options in midfield who are actual midfielders, know the role and are better midfielders as a result. 3 games in 7 days is tough, but I would not change the back 4, they have kept 2 clean sheets in a row and are starting to play with a defensive cohesion that is so important. Coleman should only play if Holgate cant due to injury, tiredness or form. In midfield I would put Gomes in For Allan, he has played the most minutes with Doucoure, and Siggy the three played well together against Leicester. I do wonder if Siggy can play 3 games in midfield so you could swap him for Bernard, or bring Gordon in to that role. The top three keep their place. Another top team performance, 3 points and foot on the height of the wall around fortress Goodison please. Wasn’t saying it’s what I want mate, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt said: Wasn’t saying it’s what I want mate, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it is all Ahh, sorry mate I misunderstood. I don't think Carlo will, at least I hope not. If it was Silva or Gravy Guzzler then it would be a nailed on change along with Cenk up front and DCL wide left. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 I wouldn't mind seeing Coleman start if properly fit - he's not missed that long a period. I really don't think we should play without any attacking back unless its really necessary. We have played two games on the bounce now with four centre backs playing, teams will work out the best way to exploit it. Play a right back at right back, especially one so good at getting forward. If Coleman is ready - I am for him start. I think getting at Arsenal from the off is the best way to go in this game. They will be nervous, so at home, lets have a bit of a go at them. I don't think sitting back against Arsenal and letting them find any rhythm or getting confident on the ball would be such a great idea. Sitting back worked against Chelsea and Leicester, but there where teams coming in to the game on good form. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted December 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 27 minutes ago, London Blue said: Ahh, sorry mate I misunderstood. I don't think Carlo will, at least I hope not. If it was Silva or Gravy Guzzler then it would be a nailed on change along with Cenk up front and DCL wide left. Wow I had completely forgotten about DCL wide left, what a shit show that was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Just now, markjazzbassist said: Wow I had completely forgotten about DCL wide left, what a shit show that was Not to mention RWB with koeman... crazy stuff hey markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt said: Wasn’t saying it’s what I want mate, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see it is all I’d have no issue with it to be honest. As long as colemans 100% good to go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 Holgate started off as a right back so he does know the role. I am happy if Coleman starts, he is good at attacking and has loads of experience. Its just Holgate and the back 4 have played really well in the last 2 games and we have struggled previously to keep a clean sheet. So why change a good thing? If it were Dinge and Godfrey then I would change as Dinge is a top left back and Godfrey has no experience of playing at left back, the difference between players quality and ability in the role is great. MikeO, Matt and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted December 18, 2020 Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Btay said: Not to mention RWB with koeman... crazy stuff hey Some of our managers were smoking the strong stuff. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cornish Steve Posted December 18, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted December 18, 2020 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: i believe the term "fit" is interpreted many different ways. some on here prefer the term "match fit" when talking about a player starting. if coleman is truly ready to go i still wouldn't start him, i would use him as a sub and let him get up to the pace that way. i would not disturb the wall that is our back 4. 2 clean sheets, no reason to mess with it. no need to rush seamus back. Not only two clean sheets but clean sheets against teams that, had they won, would have gone top of the table. Matt, markjazzbassist, London Blue and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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