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On 24/05/2021 at 09:26, Bailey said:

We need genuine starters and back ups at left

As well as Niels, we've (currently) got Smalls in the wings.  At some point we've got to give them an opportunity, or at least hope of progression or lose them.

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2 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

As well as Niels, we've (currently) got Smalls in the wings.  At some point we've got to give them an opportunity, or at least hope of progression or lose them.

Niels is completely unproven in the position. Carlo clearly doesn't fancy him there.

Small may or may not come good. Its a massive jump and if Kenny and Niels were cast aside when we needed them to step up, I wouldn't be backing Smalls to come in and play.

2 hours ago, Makis said:

Godfrey can also play there in an emergency.

We don't want to be in that position again this year. If every left back in the club gets injured then fair enough, but we need a starter and capable back up so that Godfrey can learn his trade properly as a CB.

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2 hours ago, Makis said:

Godfrey can also play there in an emergency.

No thanks. He performed admirably when needed but if there is one thing everyone on this forum can agree on it has to be that he is not a RB or LB. The modern game demands two fullbacks who are adept at going forward. Also, Godfrey is our best CB - moving him to fullback in an emergency causes an emergency at CB.

Lastly, I felt this way all year about RB. Godfrey and Holgate did the best they could but it was nowhere near PL standard. It was a complete black hole. A good RB would have helped us at both ends of the pitch. Our CBs and Digne would have had a better structure and not overcompensate defensively, and a good RB would have created more chances going forward. 

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3 hours ago, Makis said:

So how much do you think a backup lb who is that good would cost? Or how much do you think the club should spend on one.

I think we have at least six positions that need strengthening more.

Completely agree. 10-15m would probably be the price, unless there is a free agent out there but I'd argue what the heck are we doing with Nkounkou if we/Carlo still don't think he's ready to backup Digne after a full year on the training ground. 

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3 hours ago, AlbanyNYToffee said:

Completely agree. 10-15m would probably be the price, unless there is a free agent out there but I'd argue what the heck are we doing with Nkounkou if we/Carlo still don't think he's ready to backup Digne after a full year on the training ground. 

I have no idea where he stands. It seems evident Carlo doesnt trust him at the back as he only played there once in the league and when he did he went forward and one of the midfielders did his defensive work.

6 hours ago, Makis said:

So how much do you think a backup lb who is that good would cost? Or how much do you think the club should spend on one.

I think we have at least six positions that need strengthening more.

Does it matter how much that player costs? It isnt like it will break the bank. If Niels isnt good enough, then we need to find someone that is. 

I am far from convinced that this Ancellotti project will work but lets at least give the man the tools.

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It does matter because club will pay for him and then his wages for maybe four years. If Digne stays he's probably not playing enough and if he goes club would still need a new lb.

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Pickford

??? Holgate Mina Digne

James Doucoure ??? ???

DCL ???

 

???/youth Keeper

Coleman Godfrey ???/youth player Nkounkou 

??? Davies/Allan Gbamin Iwobi

???

King/Kean

 

Pretending to be Marcel Brands again, sorry Palf.

Any keeper on a free. Not worth using up the budget when we've arguably got the best keeper in the league. 

Right back. Max Aarons being the obvious one, but I'd settle for Clyne as a stop gap. Maybe even try our luck with Leicester for one of their two. 

Centre half. Koulibaly is the dream. I'd like someone experienced like Ben Mee to organise the defence as ours is a little wet behind the ears.

Centre mid. Really like Billing, although not watched much of Bournemouth this season. Fellaini is available on a free and wouldn't mind pissing off Moyes and going for his 'new fellaini' Soucek. We need a nonsense rather than Sigurdsson and Gomes.

Right mid. Buendia. I'd make him priority number one, he's that good.

Left mid. If the price is reasonable Zaha. If not stick with Richarlison. Ideally we could sell Richarlison and bring in Buendia and Zaha with the money.

Attacking mid. Bring back Vlasic. 

Striker. Someone with experience. Dreamland being Aguero (he went to city for the money, why not us). 

 

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33 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Pickford

??? Holgate Mina Digne

James Doucoure ??? ???

DCL ???

 

???/youth Keeper

Coleman Godfrey ???/youth player Nkounkou 

??? Davies/Allan Gbamin Iwobi

???

King/Kean

 

Pretending to be Marcel Brands again, sorry Palf.

Any keeper on a free. Not worth using up the budget when we've arguably got the best keeper in the league. 

Right back. Max Aarons being the obvious one, but I'd settle for Clyne as a stop gap. Maybe even try our luck with Leicester for one of their two. 

Centre half. Koulibaly is the dream. I'd like someone experienced like Ben Mee to organise the defence as ours is a little wet behind the ears.

Centre mid. Really like Billing, although not watched much of Bournemouth this season. Fellaini is available on a free and wouldn't mind pissing off Moyes and going for his 'new fellaini' Soucek. We need a nonsense rather than Sigurdsson and Gomes.

Right mid. Buendia. I'd make him priority number one, he's that good.

Left mid. If the price is reasonable Zaha. If not stick with Richarlison. Ideally we could sell Richarlison and bring in Buendia and Zaha with the money.

Attacking mid. Bring back Vlasic. 

Striker. Someone with experience. Dreamland being Aguero (he went to city for the money, why not us). 

 

Apology accepted mate🙂

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7 hours ago, pete0 said:

Pickford

??? Holgate Mina Digne

James Doucoure ??? ???

DCL ???

 

???/youth Keeper

Coleman Godfrey ???/youth player Nkounkou 

??? Davies/Allan Gbamin Iwobi

???

King/Kean

 

Pretending to be Marcel Brands again, sorry Palf.

Any keeper on a free. Not worth using up the budget when we've arguably got the best keeper in the league. 

Right back. Max Aarons being the obvious one, but I'd settle for Clyne as a stop gap. Maybe even try our luck with Leicester for one of their two. 

Centre half. Koulibaly is the dream. I'd like someone experienced like Ben Mee to organise the defence as ours is a little wet behind the ears.

Centre mid. Really like Billing, although not watched much of Bournemouth this season. Fellaini is available on a free and wouldn't mind pissing off Moyes and going for his 'new fellaini' Soucek. We need a nonsense rather than Sigurdsson and Gomes.

Right mid. Buendia. I'd make him priority number one, he's that good.

Left mid. If the price is reasonable Zaha. If not stick with Richarlison. Ideally we could sell Richarlison and bring in Buendia and Zaha with the money.

Attacking mid. Bring back Vlasic. 

Striker. Someone with experience. Dreamland being Aguero (he went to city for the money, why not us). 

 

Think you got Holgate & Godfrey mixed up mate....

Aaron’s & Buendia would be good business, maybe we can send Iwobi and Keane the other way plus £££. If not Buendia hopefully Leon Bailey.

Also guarantee King & Kean won’t be here. 

Hopefully Brands and Caro are getting stuck into their work early. 

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27 minutes ago, Btay said:

Think you got Holgate & Godfrey mixed up mate....

Aaron’s & Buendia would be good business, maybe we can send Iwobi and Keane the other way plus £££. If not Buendia hopefully Leon Bailey.

Also guarantee King & Kean won’t be here. 

Hopefully Brands and Caro are getting stuck into their work early. 

I think he got a lot of players names mixed up!

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13 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

With Emerson returning to Barcelona and them still having Sergi Roberto, wonder if Sergino Dest is worth a cheeky bid. 

Long term buy and US marketing.

Thought I read somewhere that he is one of many Barca players that might not have a future at the club and could be sold this summer. 

One thought I had about us buying an American player...Pulisic left out of the starting XI again yesterday. He's been frustrated by the lack of starts under Tuchel. I mean there's no way we'd be able to afford him, but what an addition he would make on the wing. Could even play centrally if and when James is out

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

No idea, gotta get a manager first.  Then manager and brands have to get together to discuss the squad and needs.  Sadly i fear the signings will be late or worse we might not get enough in/out in time.  Another bungled summer, another lost year.  2 steps forward 3 steps back.  

Everton tha'.

 

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16 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

No idea, gotta get a manager first.  Then manager and brands have to get together to discuss the squad and needs.  Sadly i fear the signings will be late or worse we might not get enough in/out in time.  Another bungled summer, another lost year.  2 steps forward 3 steps back.  

Thing is if we go into the season with no hope of finishing top half we will probably finish the season second - most likely leading for every game until we shit the bed against brentford at home and liverpool finish first because that is exactly how we do things.

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The sad truth is that as much as we have paid for our players, along with the salary we are paying them we are still some way behind the top 6 clubs - battling 7th to 10th place is pretty much what we should be expecting based on what we are shelling out in wages (even though we seem to be throwing money around). Table below suggest that we should be looking to increase our annual wage bill by a whopping £45M (or 65%) to be on a level playing field with the self proclaimed super 6. 

Leicester City are the stand out exception of one team who have managed to consistently punch about their weight, but they are a one off (can't really count West Ham of a single season).

The depressing reality is we are just not spending enough to realistically be competitive in the top six - no matter who comes in as new manager.  I think this reality hit home with Ancelotti this passed couple of months - 

 

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

The sad truth is that as much as we have paid for our players, along with the salary we are paying them we are still some way behind the top 6 clubs - battling 7th to 10th place is pretty much what we should be expecting based on what we are shelling out in wages (even though we seem to be throwing money around). Table below suggest that we should be looking to increase our annual wage bill by a whopping £45M (or 65%) to be on a level playing field with the self proclaimed super 6. 

Leicester City are the stand out exception of one team who have managed to consistently punch about their weight, but they are a one off (can't really count West Ham of a single season).

The depressing reality is we are just not spending enough to realistically be competitive in the top six - no matter who comes in as new manager.  I think this reality hit home with Ancelotti this passed couple of months - 

Quite honestly in any other industry you would be saying what a prick, but hay ho it’s his money, and sadly our club and dreams  

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Unfortunately we have an owner who thought and possibly still thinks he could buy his way to the top, his first big mistake was sacking Martinez and hiring Koeman before the ink had dried on the contract, he should have given Martinez another 6 months and a little bit of money, and got him self settled in if you just give himself a bigger picture, but no the big I am attitude kicked in and millions have been spent with massive mistakes and the upshot is we haven’t improved in 5 years. 

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

The sad truth is that as much as we have paid for our players, along with the salary we are paying them we are still some way behind the top 6 clubs - battling 7th to 10th place is pretty much what we should be expecting based on what we are shelling out in wages (even though we seem to be throwing money around). Table below suggest that we should be looking to increase our annual wage bill by a whopping £45M (or 65%) to be on a level playing field with the self proclaimed super 6. 

Leicester City are the stand out exception of one team who have managed to consistently punch about their weight, but they are a one off (can't really count West Ham of a single season).

The depressing reality is we are just not spending enough to realistically be competitive in the top six - no matter who comes in as new manager.  I think this reality hit home with Ancelotti this passed couple of months - 

 

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Apologies Rob I’ve edited your post when I thought it was mine, I must say though that’s no way to speak about our owner 😂

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7 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Unfortunately we have an owner who thought and possibly still thinks he could buy his way to the top, his first big mistake was sacking Martinez and hiring Koeman before the ink had dried on the contract, he should have given Martinez another 6 months and a little bit of money, and got him self settled in if you just give himself a bigger picture, but no the big I am attitude kicked in and millions have been spent with massive mistakes and the upshot is we haven’t improved in 5 years. 

I get where you’re coming from Palfy, but Martinez had to go. The performances were terrible (but he kept telling the media how good they were) and the results were just as bad. Goodison was a horrible horrible place to be towards the end of his time with the club. He couldn’t stay on as manager. 

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47 minutes ago, Bailey said:

https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/

Another wages site showing different figures albeit with many of the same clubs in a similar position. It highlight how well Leicester have done.

same site - the one I put on was for past season (20/21), link is for upcoming season (but that will change after transfer window). I am just trying to highlight that we are not a club who are actually paying a 'top 6' wage bill and are quite far from it.

As much as we are spending, it seems its only about enough to keep you in the top half of the Premier league, but not enough to realistically put you in the Top 6 or keep you in the top 6. 

I would hazard a guess that if Leicester keep being 9th top wages payers then more likely than not they will slid down from annual champions league battles toward Europa and then top half of the table battles over then next 3-4 years.  

Its no accident that, give two or three positions, most teams final league position will pretty much mirror their position on the Premier League salary table, with only an occasional outlier. What I am alluding to is that there is a significant jump in what the 'Big 6' spend on wages compared to ourselves. It is going to be tough for any manager to break in to this with a significantly lower calibre squad.

 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Unfortunately we have an owner who thought and possibly still thinks he could buy his way to the top,

The thing is if you actually look at the spending (compared to other teams), he hasn't actually spent anywhere near enough to buy our way to the top. Wages wise, he has spend enough to get us to around 7th to 9th. Its crazy how much you now need to spend in this league to simply tread water.  Not nearly spending enough to actually realistically expect to be breaking in to the top 6. 

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

same site - the one I put on was for past season (20/21), link is for upcoming season (but that will change after transfer window). I am just trying to highlight that we are not a club who are actually paying a 'top 6' wage bill and are quite far from it.

As much as we are spending, it seems its only about enough to keep you in the top half of the Premier league, but not enough to realistically put you in the Top 6 or keep you in the top 6. 

I would hazard a guess that if Leicester keep being 9th top wages payers then more likely than not they will slid down from annual champions league battles toward Europa and then top half of the table battles over then next 3-4 years.  

Its no accident that, give two or three positions, most teams final league position will pretty much mirror their position on the Premier League salary table, with only an occasional outlier. What I am alluding to is that there is a significant jump in what the 'Big 6' spend on wages compared to ourselves. It is going to be tough for any manager to break in to this with a significantly lower calibre squad.

 

Oh haha, thought I was being useful and instead I was being an idiot. That will teach me to rush! 

I agree though, there is only so long you can outperform yourself. That tends to be either as a result of the manager or a certain group of players. Likewise those teams spending lots are only likely to be out of those positions for a long period of time if they do the opposite.

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2 hours ago, RuffRob said:

The thing is if you actually look at the spending (compared to other teams), he hasn't actually spent anywhere near enough to buy our way to the top. Wages wise, he has spend enough to get us to around 7th to 9th. Its crazy how much you now need to spend in this league to simply tread water.  Not nearly spending enough to actually realistically expect to be breaking in to the top 6. 

Uncle Alisher could come to our rescue. This from someone who found it abhorrent when the Mansours took over City.

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I just feel a bit gutted somebody like Buendia looks to be signing for Villa. £33millon doesn't seem extravagant for a player of his ability and experience and wages of around £75-80K for your creative midfielder seem reasonable for a team with ambitions of top 6.  

We are not going to get the £50-60M player that go to Chelsea and Man U etc, but would have thought this sort money for a still developing talent would have been right up our street. Buendia could quite easily be a £50-60M player in a couple of years time.

 

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3 hours ago, London Blue said:

Some positions need filling regardless of who we have as manager, right back and right wing for example. We should pull the trigger on any targets we have now, while we can still get them.

Not so easy without a manager. Players might not fancy that level of uncertainty too. 

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8 hours ago, StevO said:

Not so easy without a manager. Players might not fancy that level of uncertainty too. 

True, but I do wonder how much of a players decision to join is based on the contract, the club itself and the vision sold by the DOF, and how much is the manager. Especially when transfers are (mostly) handled by Brands.

I would imagine that players would be told the type of football we want the manager to play. But as you say the manager is a big part.

 

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

True, but I do wonder how much of a players decision to join is based on the contract, the club itself and the vision sold by the DOF, and how much is the manager. Especially when transfers are (mostly) handled by Brands.

I would imagine that players would be told the type of football we want the manager to play. But as you say the manager is a big part.

 

I would have thought even without a manager - a DoF may sound out an agent of any possible club targets to register any interest in a player - even though it might me a few weeks or month before we put in any formal bid. Once its been discussed with new manager.

What we can't do is sit twiddling our thumbs and hope deals are not done early - like what Villa seem to be doing.  

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17 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I just feel a bit gutted somebody like Buendia looks to be signing for Villa. £33millon doesn't seem extravagant for a player of his ability and experience and wages of around £75-80K for your creative midfielder seem reasonable for a team with ambitions of top 6.  

We are not going to get the £50-60M player that go to Chelsea and Man U etc, but would have thought this sort money for a still developing talent would have been right up our street. Buendia could quite easily be a £50-60M player in a couple of years time.

 

The most gutting thing about a transfer like this is that it is the type of footballer we are crying out for. League experience, creates and scores, works hard and has his best years ahead of him.

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I have been reading that Utd might be looking to off load Daniel James this transfer window. Still a youngster at 23 and with bags of experience. Fast as fook and can play left or right as he can use both feet. Great player to have in a counter attacking team. Something we need is speed out wide, and this lad is one of the fastest about. He is no slouch having featured in over 70 games for Man U over past two season as a 22/23 year old. 

He would not be a kings ransom (fee or wages) and still room for him to improve as just approaching 24.

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2 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

I have been reading that Utd might be looking to off load Daniel James this transfer window. Still a youngster at 23 and with bags of experience. Fast as fook and can play left or right as he can use both feet. Great player to have in a counter attacking team. Something we need is speed out wide, and this lad is one of the fastest about. He is no slouch having featured in over 70 games for Man U over past two season as a 22/23 year old. 

He would not be a kings ransom (fee or wages) and still room for him to improve as just approaching 24.

I wouldn't be against it if the price was low enough as we need speed, but I also think that's all he is is pace. 

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7 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

I wouldn't be against it if the price was low enough as we need speed, but I also think that's all he is is pace. 

other areas can be developed and improved - but pace, you either have it or you don't, same goes for being two footed. 

Given the squad Man U have there must be a bit more to his game if he has been used in so many games. Utd have obviously 'upgraded' by spending £73M on Sancho.  I would guess there would be no need for him to move either, so no real settling in period. 

At the right price I think he could be a nice addition to our squad.

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3 hours ago, RuffRob said:

other areas can be developed and improved - but pace, you either have it or you don't, same goes for being two footed. 

Given the squad Man U have there must be a bit more to his game if he has been used in so many games. Utd have obviously 'upgraded' by spending £73M on Sancho.  I would guess there would be no need for him to move either, so no real settling in period. 

At the right price I think he could be a nice addition to our squad.

You say it can be improved but he is 23 years old now and spent God knows how many years being coached on his technique and tactics. Whatever improvement you will see from him won't be significant.

A player like James will suit a certain system and style of play and I am not sure that will be Rafa's. 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Hopefully we'll see some movement soon with signings. Then I can see whether I'm going to dislike this era even more or a tiny bit less.

😂, you nutter I can see already this is going to be a fun 21/22 season. COYB 

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Surely with a big name manager such as Rafa, all the world class players are lining up to sign with Everton.  Oh wait….I’m still shocked he was seen as a “big name”.  The transfer rumors speak for themselves.  The names we had with Carlo have all dried up and we are getting a former Newcastle player linked now.  Sadly I fear this will be another allardyce that takes years to clean up (hell we still have tosun!!).  Honestly not even sure if I’ll be along for moshiri coaching carousel at that point, I’m becoming despondent with this team

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

Surely with a big name manager such as Rafa, all the world class players are lining up to sign with Everton.  Oh wait….I’m still shocked he was seen as a “big name”.  The transfer rumors speak for themselves.  The names we had with Carlo have all dried up and we are getting a former Newcastle player linked now.  Sadly I fear this will be another allardyce that takes years to clean up (hell we still have tosun!!).  Honestly not even sure if I’ll be along for moshiri coaching carousel at that point, I’m becoming despondent with this team

If it cheers you up, we are still being linked to Koulibaly.

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3 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Surely with a big name manager such as Rafa, all the world class players are lining up to sign with Everton.  Oh wait….I’m still shocked he was seen as a “big name”.  The transfer rumors speak for themselves.  The names we had with Carlo have all dried up and we are getting a former Newcastle player linked now.  Sadly I fear this will be another allardyce that takes years to clean up (hell we still have tosun!!).  Honestly not even sure if I’ll be along for moshiri coaching carousel at that point, I’m becoming despondent with this team

Fat lot of good it did us getting linked with a lot of supposed big names over the last 2 seasons. I think we can all lament on prior managers shite signings (Koeman - Bolaise?Sandro?, Martinez - Alcaraz? Kone?) but they've likely also had gems but as with life the bad overshadows the good. 

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2 hours ago, Goodison Glory said:

Fat lot of good it did us getting linked with a lot of supposed big names over the last 2 seasons. I think we can all lament on prior managers shite signings (Koeman - Bolaise?Sandro?, Martinez - Alcaraz? Kone?) but they've likely also had gems but as with life the bad overshadows the good. 

james rodriguez and allan signed due to Carlo, they are a cut above.  my point was sadly we won't be seeing signings like that this summer.

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16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

james rodriguez and allan signed due to Carlo, they are a cut above.  my point was sadly we won't be seeing signings like that this summer.

Godfrey was our signing of the season last year and he had the least hype. I’d also say Doucoure was better than Allan and same again.

Have some faith mate - not every signing needs to be a big name or world class player!

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5 minutes ago, StevO said:

You can’t just drop your team because you don’t like the change of manager. Well, you might be able to, but I certainly can’t. The managers and owners will come and go, I’ll still be there with the team. And I can’t stand Rafa being our manager, but I’ll be a blue a lot longer than him. 

TBF to mjb, I know what he means. There's a different feeling now. I'll always watch, but at the moment it's not with the same enthusiasm as before. The love will always be there, but to put it simply: it's not enjoyable to watch us now. As fans, we deserve to be able to enjoy what we love because we make the club. 

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3 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

TBF to mjb, I know what he means. There's a different feeling now. I'll always watch, but at the moment it's not with the same enthusiasm as before. The love will always be there, but to put it simply: it's not enjoyable to watch us now. As fans, we deserve to be able to enjoy what we love because we make the club. 

I'll be going into the season with exactly the same passion as I have since I was ten (51 years ago); manager, style, boardroom (good or bad) can just fuck off, don't care and give no thought to them when the eleven cross the line.

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3 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I'll be going into the season with exactly the same passion as I have since I was ten (51 years ago); manager, style, boardroom (good or bad) can just fuck off, don't care and give no thought to them when the eleven cross the line.

Me too, I support Everton FC, not individuals, and bloody hell we've had some duffers in all positions on and off the field.

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50 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

TBF to mjb, I know what he means. There's a different feeling now. I'll always watch, but at the moment it's not with the same enthusiasm as before. The love will always be there, but to put it simply: it's not enjoyable to watch us now. As fans, we deserve to be able to enjoy what we love because we make the club. 

My excitement around the team can go up and down a bit, but if Everton are playing there are only a few things in my life that could get in the way. 

Actually missed the Andy Johnson derby because my sister got married. We haven’t spoken since. 😂 (joke). 
I also missed my first ever game with a season ticket that I paid for myself as an adult with a job as I was on the stag do. 
 

Ive even been lucky enough to watch Everton get beaten (I think it was Burnley but memories fade) at 36,000 feet above the Atlantic. 

If I’ve misunderstood what @markjazzbassist was saying then apologies to you Mark. It read like you would stop supporting the team if things don’t get better to me, but maybe I’ve read it wrong. 

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54 minutes ago, Sibdane said:

TBF to mjb, I know what he means. There's a different feeling now. I'll always watch, but at the moment it's not with the same enthusiasm as before. The love will always be there, but to put it simply: it's not enjoyable to watch us now. As fans, we deserve to be able to enjoy what we love because we make the club. 

54 years through thick and thin, good times and bad, I can completely understand what you and Mark are saying, I’ve said it a thousand times, but I’m still here supporting the team I love, and hope you guys will be next season and every season after. 

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34 minutes ago, StevO said:

My excitement around the team can go up and down a bit, but if Everton are playing there are only a few things in my life that could get in the way. 

Actually missed the Andy Johnson derby because my sister got married. We haven’t spoken since. 😂 (joke). 
I also missed my first ever game with a season ticket that I paid for myself as an adult with a job as I was on the stag do. 
 

Ive even been lucky enough to watch Everton get beaten (I think it was Burnley but memories fade) at 36,000 feet above the Atlantic. 

If I’ve misunderstood what @markjazzbassist was saying then apologies to you Mark. It read like you would stop supporting the team if things don’t get better to me, but maybe I’ve read it wrong. 

Yeah you read it wrong.  I’m not gonna switch allegiances, I do feel despondent though.  Come game day I will watch (am I masochistic??) and I will still support the club.  But I’m feeling hoodwinked.  @Sibdane did a great job of summarizing.  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” or in Everton moshiri parlance fool me 6,7,8 times …..what is wrong with you?!!  Lol.  It’s a sick addiction this club

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

Yeah you read it wrong.  I’m not gonna switch allegiances, I do feel despondent though.  Come game day I will watch (am I masochistic??) and I will still support the club.  But I’m feeling hoodwinked.  @Sibdane did a great job of summarizing.  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” or in Everton moshiri parlance fool me 6,7,8 times …..what is wrong with you?!!  Lol.  It’s a sick addiction this club

You’ll get used to it. I reckon I’ve spent more time as an Evertonian being unhappy about the direction the club is heading than I have been happy. 

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3 hours ago, MikeO said:

I'll be going into the season with exactly the same passion as I have since I was ten (51 years ago); manager, style, boardroom (good or bad) can just fuck off, don't care and give no thought to them when the eleven cross the line.

I’m not excited about the season in the slightest, the Euro’s have been a welcome distraction, and I think I’ll be experiencing zero excitement for the first time walking to Goodison for the first game of the season. 

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

Yeah you read it wrong.  I’m not gonna switch allegiances, I do feel despondent though.  Come game day I will watch (am I masochistic??) and I will still support the club.  But I’m feeling hoodwinked.  @Sibdane did a great job of summarizing.  “Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me” or in Everton moshiri parlance fool me 6,7,8 times …..what is wrong with you?!!  Lol.  It’s a sick addiction this club

You're not alone. 

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