Sibdane Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I really think Moshiri wants the best for the club, but his head is in FIFA video game where he thinks money buys success. Matt, Romey 1878 and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RuffRob Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I don't have a problem with bring in players like Townsend for free. Over the past few years, I had more of a problem watching the club spending £25M on Bolaise, +£20M on Walcott and £28m on Iwobi. I don't think any one of us was overly comfortable with the money spent on any one of these transfers. My guess is that Townsend will be AT LEAST as productive as these three players, and probably more so. If we need a year or two of more modest and maybe BETTER spending and dare I say it better management to get back on track then I say its about time!! Matt, StevO, chicagoblue and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 There's a common theme to this summer's recruits: They all genuinely seem to want to be here. That's not been evident from some current players on the pitch, so it's a healthy thing to see. Matt, Sibdane and chicagoblue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just now, Cornish Steve said: There's a common theme to this summer's recruits: They all genuinely seem to want to be here. That's not been evident from some current players on the pitch, so it's a healthy thing to see. Well when you consider the clubs they're from, they should be. Everton is the biggest club these players will have played for, and it doesn't get much bigger than us unless it's BARCA/REAL/PSG/etc. StevO and nyblue23 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: There's a common theme to this summer's recruits: They all genuinely seem to want to be here. That's not been evident from some current players on the pitch, so it's a healthy thing to see. When you bring in players who so obviously aren't good enough they do tend to thank their lucky stripes for an opportunity to showcase that fact while getting good money . Bailey, nyblue23, Palfy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Romey 1878 said: When you bring in players who so obviously aren't good enough they do tend to thank their lucky stripes for an opportunity to showcase that fact while getting good money . I'd rather them thank their luck stars, but whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Sibdane said: I'd rather them thank their luck stars, but whatever. That too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 25 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: When you bring in players who so obviously aren't good enough they do tend to thank their lucky stripes for an opportunity to showcase that fact while getting good money . Here I am trying to find a silver lining to the clouds gathering overhead... Matt and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said: Here I am trying to find a silver lining to the clouds gathering overhead... You're welcome, Steve . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 8 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: Turns out the rich owner we all wished for brought us nothing different than what we already had. Moshiri will be a winner because of Bramley Moore, sadly he still has a ton of work to do on the pitch to be revered. while moshri hasn't taken us to the promised land we had hoped for, to say that we don't have anything better than what we had before is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Goodison Glory said: while moshri hasn't taken us to the promised land we had hoped for, to say that we don't have anything better than what we had before is laughable. You’re right we blew 200m so we have that debt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: You’re right we blew 200m so we have that debt We had massive relative debt before too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 Debt is not a bad thing. Well-run companies utilize debt, and it's usually a positive when publishing financial results. It doesn't sound like our debt is crippling. More relevant to Everton right now are the FFP rules. Poor decisions by previous managers (and I mean managers, not DoF) continue to bite us. Koeman spent very unwisely. Crooked Sam is responsible for other awful decisions. We have no option but to live with them, unfortunately. Palfy, Gwlad, AlbanyNYToffee and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said: Debt is not a bad thing. Well-run companies utilize debt, and it's usually a positive when publishing financial results. It doesn't sound like our debt is crippling. It wouldn’t be a positive if you were a shareholder looking for a decent dividend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, Palfy said: It wouldn’t be a positive if you were a shareholder looking for a decent dividend. If you’re looking for a dividend don’t invest in a football club. Debt on the balance sheet doesn’t have to mean no profit and no dividend though. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, Palfy said: It wouldn’t be a positive if you were a shareholder looking for a decent dividend. Sure it would. A debt/equity ratio of zero is generally not good financial management. A 50:50 ratio is just fine, even in the football business. MUFC's ratio hovers around 1.23, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 5 hours ago, StevO said: If you’re looking for a dividend don’t invest in a football club. Debt on the balance sheet doesn’t have to mean no profit and no dividend though. Steve wasn’t talking solely about football clubs he was talking about all companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Palfy said: Steve wasn’t talking solely about football clubs he was talking about all companies. And my second point still stands about all companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 21 hours ago, markjazzbassist said: You’re right we blew 200m so we have that debt We don’t have 200M of debt either. You can’t look at debt on the balance sheet in isolation without comparing it to what you are also owed. Net Liabilities would be one way to look at it…that is if you didn’t want to take assets into account. MikeO, London Blue, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makis Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Debt is ok if you have invested it into something that makes more money. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Close season 2021, the gift that keeps on giving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 Just for anyone who doesn't understand that debt isn't necessarily bad, here's Nestles total debt; $40b. https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/NSRGY/financials Yet they're considered one of the most profitable and successful companies around. Cornish Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Matt said: Just for anyone who doesn't understand that debt isn't necessarily bad, here's Nestles total debt; $40b. https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/NSRGY/financials Yet they're considered one of the most profitable and successful companies around. My dad's first job after he finished National Service in the early fifties was for Nestlé, pleased to see they recovered Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: Just for anyone who doesn't understand that debt isn't necessarily bad, here's Nestles total debt; $40b. https://www.wsj.com/market-data/quotes/NSRGY/financials Yet they're considered one of the most profitable and successful companies around. Awful company gobbling up natural resources (water) and destroying nature and communities for money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said: Awful company gobbling up natural resources (water) and destroying nature and communities for money. Aaah, that old chestnut. Not true but anyway, point was to show that having a lot of debt does not equate poor, nor is it a bad thing. Just curious, which big company isn't an evil planet destroying force that I can look up the debt of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-signings-show-rafa-benitez-21116063 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Matt said: Aaah, that old chestnut. Not true but anyway, point was to show that having a lot of debt does not equate poor, nor is it a bad thing. Just curious, which big company isn't an evil planet destroying force that I can look up the debt of? its 100% true, they destroyed a massive land preserve in michigan. the government wouldn't sell them the land so they bought land next to it and sucked all the water out of the ground, preserve is a wasteland now. to your point of big corporations yes i agree they are all evil, i'm not a capitalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted July 22, 2021 Report Share Posted July 22, 2021 6 hours ago, MikeO said: My dad's first job after he finished National Service in the early fifties was for Nestlé, pleased to see they recovered Known as Nestles when I was a kid! MikeO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 You couldn’t pick a worse company in the world as a shining example of a good business, unless you are a hardened capitalist who puts profits be for lives. Please read ZME Science report on why Nestle is one of the the most hated companies in the world, it cannot bear to shock you unless you are a raving capitalist or arsehole, great example of companies with huge debt operate to keep shareholders happy and the company afloat. zmescience.com search for why is Nestle one of the most hated companies in the world. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 23, 2021 Report Share Posted July 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Palfy said: You couldn’t pick a worse company in the world as a shining example of a good business, unless you are a hardened capitalist who puts profits be for lives. Please read ZME Science report on why Nestle is one of the the most hated companies in the world, it cannot bear to shock you unless you are a raving capitalist or arsehole, great example of companies with huge debt operate to keep shareholders happy and the company afloat. zmescience.com search for why is Nestle one of the most hated companies in the world. But have you had a cookies and cream milkybar? You can’t hate the guys who make that, you just can’t! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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