Bullshit Greed League (aka ESL)

[Romey 1878]

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/18/only-someone-who-truly-hates-football-can-be-behind-a-european-super-league

[Romey 1878]

Still absolutely livid this morning. Even if it doesn't end up going ahead I will never forgive the clubs involved in this and will hate them forever.

[Matt]

13 hours ago, c1982 said:

The players and the managers of these clubs are likely to get a huge slice of the billions on offer from a ‘Super League’ so they may not feel as strongly about it as us fans.

But doesn't mean they shouldn't have the opportunity to speak up. Chances of any of them going against their employers openly let alone giving up even more money is unlikely, but they should at least get given the chance.

[Matt]

2 hours ago, nyblue23 said:

It's American corporate greed run rampant. I stumbled my way into an elite university's law school in the states this year in my nearing mid-life (got tired of being drunk all the time behind the bar) and I've finally seen what the other side truly believes. My casebook for my business law class argues that insider trading is a good thing and I've learned that not only do American courts appear to protect shareholder interests (as I thought before entering law school)—it's actually the fucking law that shareholder interests are the only thing that matters and that directors of a corporation cannot make decisions that don't benefit shareholders even for humanitarian reasons.

We can't blame this on the footballers. The players themselves are still mere peons compared to the owners. This is just what pure capitalism does. I'll welcome all the supporters—even the shite supporters—who abandon their clubs over this.

Congratulations mate on making such a big, positive change for yourself

[Romey 1878]

Mourinho "sacked" this morning. But a lot of speculation it's all due to him being set against this bullshit.

If so, I'll respect him a lot more and I hope he comes out and says if that is what has happened.

[Hafnia]

8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Mourinho "sacked" this morning. But a lot of speculation it's all due to him being set against this bullshit.

If so, I'll respect him a lot more and I hope he comes out and says if that is what has happened.

Nah. He's got very little morals like that but he will no doubt use it to distract from the real reason.

Someone reckons it's cos of something going on in Germany and they can get nagelsmann

[Zoo 2.0]

9 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Nah. He's got very little morals like that but he will no doubt use it to distract from the real reason.

Someone reckons it's cos of something going on in Germany and they can get nagelsmann

It's been rumoured that Spurs' main target if they sack Mourinho is Nagelsmann, who is currently managing Red Bull Leipzig. With Flick resigning from Bayern yesterday (effective at the end of the season) to move to the German NT it seems as though this may have accelerated the process and forced Levy's hand.

I'd like Mourinho to have been fired because he's refused to work in the ESL and told the club where the shove their plans, but expect it's just down to how poor they have been and how much discontent is currently surrounding the club. 

Edit: Not confirmed, but rumours that Mourinho refused to take the players out to train in protest against the ESL.

[Palfy]

44 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Not confirmed, but rumours that Mourinho refused to take the players out to train in protest against the ESL.

As much as he’s a hated figure with a lot of fans I wouldn’t be totally surprised if he did something along those lines, he’s a principled man who would stand by his own principles even if they don’t meet the standards of others, so if this does have some truth in it then fair play. 

[Tonsta]

Funny how there is no sign of carra on the media he represents, no opinion on this then, the biggest news i football, for many a year, Gary Nev did not hide.

[Romey 1878]

4 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Funny how there is no sign of carra on the media he represents, no opinion on this then, the biggest news i football, for many a year, Gary Nev did not hide.

Carragher has said something actually.

And he'll be on MNF tonight with Neville where I imagine there will be fireworks galore.

[Palfy]

Morgan Stanley are putting up around 4 billion to get this off the ground, so they are the company that any decent fans need to dissociate themselves from, in the way of credit cards or any other types of finance. 
 

Also I read an article that 10,000 Liverpool supporters were asked on line for their opinions and nearly all condemned the move, if true then credit to them it show’s fans are more sportsman like than some of their team’s. 

[Tonsta]

28 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Carragher has said something actually.

And he'll be on MNF tonight with Neville where I imagine there will be fireworks galore.

Ok i must have missed that, but having watched ssn for 4 hours this morning, no sign of Carra.

[Matt]

44 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Funny how there is no sign of carra on the media he represents, no opinion on this then, the biggest news i football, for many a year, Gary Nev did not hide.

https://www.beinsports.com/en/football/news/european-super-league-carragher-brands-live-1/1672658

 

Better link if you can get through the shitshow of ads

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1424917/Liverpool-news-Jamie-Carragher-FSG-European-Super-League-betrayal

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Not confirmed, but rumours that Mourinho refused to take the players out to train in protest against the ESL.

"On Sunday, Tottenham were one of six Premier League clubs to announce they were joining a new European Super League, but it is not related to Mourinho's sacking."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56799400

[Romey 1878]

http://www.skysports.com/share/12280287 

[barryj]

If it goes ahead which I dearly hope it doesn’t. This would surely put Bramley Moore in jeopardy. Let’s not kid ourselves there will be less money around for those that are left behind.

[MikeO]

Just now, barryj said:

If it goes ahead which I dearly hope it doesn’t. This would surely put Brantley Moore in jeopardy. Let’s not kid ourselves there will be less money around for those that are left behind.

Crossed my mind that.

[markjazzbassist]

i have a feeling it's the ESL clubs testing the waters.  If the leagues/UEFA take action against them, they'll know it's not possible and will give it up. But currently with the FA and UEFA doing Fuck all they are probably thinking we grease some more hands and pay off some more here and there and we are in.  GROW A PAIR FA, ban the fuckers, drop points, DO SOMETHING

[barryj]

10 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i have a feeling it's the ESL clubs testing the waters.  If the leagues/UEFA take action against them, they'll know it's not possible and will give it up. But currently with the FA and UEFA doing Fuck all they are probably thinking we grease some more hands and pay off some more here and there and we are in.  GROW A PAIR FA, ban the fuckers, drop points, DO SOMETHING

The Premier league won’t and shouldn’t let them play in it. That’ll kill the interest dead. Let them play against the same 15 teams for the next 23 years they’ll all be bored to death with it and I hope it flops. In the mean time like Gary Neville said ban them from Europe, give them a points deduction and cripple them before it all kicks off and then it won’t be the spectacle they all hope for. 

[Bill]

Stop panicking, this will never happen. 

[barryj]

4 minutes ago, Bill said:

Stop panicking, this will never happen. 

I can’t see it happening but at the same time it’s an absolute disgrace they’re even at this point. How can they do this to their own fan base? Still while there is uncertainty I doubt we’ll break ground at Bramley. 

[Matt]

7 minutes ago, Bill said:

Stop panicking, this will never happen. 

It's not panic, Bill. It's venting anger. 

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, barryj said:

I can’t see it happening but at the same time it’s an absolute disgrace they’re even at this point. How can they do this to their own fan base? Still while there is uncertainty I doubt we’ll break ground at Bramley. 

The same way massive companies cam twist governments to make exceptions. Money. 

[Elston Gunnn]

Bayern and Dortmund say no.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/19/bayern-munich-and-borussia-dortmund-not-joining-european-super-league

[Bill]

If the premier league ban them from both cups and the Premier league, on the understanding that you will never be accepted back into the league if it all goes wrong, I can't see it happening.

On the other hand if it does happen all the other clubs in the Prem and the lower leagues will be very pleased. Six clubs from each league promoted and we will stand a good chance of being League champions.   bring it on.

[Tonsta]

It said on SSN they have signed a 23 year contract commitment to the so called super league.

[Bailey]

I don't see how it doesn't go ahead. Why go through all this only to pull the plug.

I am not sure how they will attract the other 8 clubs they need though.

[RuffRob]

Greedy greedy selfish bastards!!! 

I think all these signed up clubs should all be docked PL points and the likes of Leicester City, West Ham and Everton and another club represent Premier League in next seasons CL. Period.  

And how the fuck have Spurs managed to get themselves in to this Elite group of English football clubs - when where they last 'Champions' of England? half a dozen decent seasons in and around the top 4 and they become part of an Elite group of clubs for ever more!!  I would love to know the criteria!! In the last 25years Spurs have won a single League cup!!! Why not Leicester City if on recent achievements? and why not Everton if on longer term history or tradition? Money driven bullshit the lot of it.

If they leave and then wanted to come back in future - should be in the lower divisions and have to earn your way back up - imagine the six clubs trying to scrap over promotions spots and trying to get the worlds best player to sign for them !! I would love it.

Like most said will not happed and these six are flexing their financial muscle - PL should just flex their back at them. 

[Elston Gunnn]

2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I don't see how it doesn't go ahead. Why go through all this only to pull the plug.

Like others, I think this development is outrageous.  So I admit to being desperate to think of what can stop it.  Best I can tell this early, the answers are: (1) EPL kicking them out; (2) FIFA barring players from World Cup; (3) fans of traitorous clubs saying No.  Will any/all of these things happen?

[markjazzbassist]

SAF comments on it, mentions everton

 

“Talk of a Super League is a move away from 70 years of European club football. Both as a player for a provincial team Dunfermline in the 60s and as a manager at Aberdeen winning the European Cup Winners’ Cup, for a small provincial club in Scotland it was like climbing Mount Everest,” Ferguson told the Reuters news agency. “Everton are spending £500 million to build a new stadium with the ambition to play in Champions League. Fans all over love the competition as it is,” he said.