Cornish Steve Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Even if they backtrack on it each and every club involved should face some sort of punishment for accepting it in the first place. No surprise to me that so many of the clubs involved are American owned either. They do love a closed shop. So we still have a path to Europe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56800351 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centralladd2020 Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Let the money grabbers bugger off then the English f.a. can revamp the Premiership bigger and better for the real fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 All the clubs involved should be punished by the PL (or Seria A and La Liga) and UEFA and show them a few individual clubs can't bully European football. These 12 or so teams are not going to break away from Prem or UEFA and only just play each other for evermore. These clubs are basically angling for the CL format to be changed so that it mean that if these selected teams miss the usual qualification route, they get in though a back door every season. They can commit to big wages etc safe in the knowledge they would get the CL money season after season. You can't have one rule for 'rich' teams and then different rules for another team - it's fooking cheating. If a club is at risk of a ban from European football for a period of time if they breach of FFP rules, what penalty should clubs be given for colluding behind their individual domestic leagues and UEFA's back's purely for what is financial protectionism to the detriment to their leagues and all the other clubs within as well as football in general? These greedy club owners need to be hit where it hurts the most, by those who have the power to do so. Some clubs should be embarrassed by this. MikeO, Romey 1878 and markjazzbassist 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted April 19, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 L'Equipe in France put it nicely.. "If they continue with their project, we will never forgive them. We won't forgive them if they give it up, either. The 12 clubs will remain traitors of a shared ideal for a long time still… They've showed they're ready to kill off European football, its essence, its history and its beauty with their cynicism and greed." Zoo 2.0, Quinn31, Romey 1878 and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyblue23 Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Matt said: Congratulations mate on making such a big, positive change for yourself Thanks, Matt. We’ll see how positive it is in the end, hah. Matt and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Elston Gunnn said: Like others, I think this development is outrageous. So I admit to being desperate to think of what can stop it. Best I can tell this early, the answers are: (1) EPL kicking them out; (2) FIFA barring players from World Cup; (3) fans of traitorous clubs saying No. Will any/all of these things happen? This is it. Will these things actually happen. They might be suggesting it but the Premier League are there just to line their own pockets as well and kicking out those 6 clubs will lose them a lot of money. Likewise I am not entirely sure how international sides can be stopped from picking these players. Some countries did a similar thing in rugby union but would that really happen in football? I have my doubts. 45 minutes ago, RuffRob said: All the clubs involved should be punished by the PL (or Seria A and La Liga) and UEFA and show them a few individual clubs can't bully European football. These 12 or so teams are not going to break away from Prem or UEFA and only just play each other for evermore. These clubs are basically angling for the CL format to be changed so that it mean that if these selected teams miss the usual qualification route, they get in though a back door every season. They can commit to big wages etc safe in the knowledge they would get the CL money season after season. You can't have one rule for 'rich' teams and then different rules for another team - it's fooking cheating. If a club is at risk of a ban from European football for a period of time if they breach of FFP rules, what penalty should clubs be given for colluding behind their individual domestic leagues and UEFA's back's purely for what is financial protectionism to the detriment to their leagues and all the other clubs within as well as football in general? These greedy club owners need to be hit where it hurts the most, by those who have the power to do so. Some clubs should be embarrassed by this. I think the middle paragraph hits the nail on the head. It is posturing to protect their position in the current format, which lets be honest is equally as bad. I also think as a sport the governing bodies need to pull their heads out of their arses. Whilst the Premier League and Champions League are meritocracies the reality is very different. If you look at the last 10 years in the UCL the same teams will be there year after year enjoying the financial benefits that come with it. Its the same with the EPL. Yes teams go up and down but aside from clubs who are financially mismanaged, the core group of teams doesnt change and whilst a top side may have a short period in the duldrums, they do get back there in a couple of years time. FFP is another way of keeping the smaller clubs down too whilst protecting the financially powerful sides. In some ways at least these lot have the balls to call it what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 21 minutes ago, nyblue23 said: Thanks, Matt. We’ll see how positive it is in the end, hah. I know where you've been and what you're doing by the sounds of things, I'm doing the same at the moment nyblue23 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 MANU stock is up 10% on the NYSE. Clearly, the money people like the idea. I suspect they'll soon get a dose of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 If the so breakaway six's stocks are going up you can bet our 'stock' has just gone down. We are about to embark on raising significant funds for a new stadium, and this potential massive financial bombshell drops!!! for sure it will be harder this week than it was last week to sell the Everton dream to investors. Whatever happens, some big waves have been caused in the pond of football finances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Clubs going to be chucked out of this season's CL and EL according to this. https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/champions-league-teams-chelsea-city-b1833966.html pete0, Cornish Steve, StevO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 There are a couple of things about this new league that I dont think have been thought through. 1. There are going to be a lot of dead rubber games. If only the top 3 from a league of 10 count then once you are out of it then it becomes nothing more than an inconvenience. I can foresee a games having a pre-season feeling. 2. There are 6 English sides. Presumably they will be automatically split up but even so that is a fair few games against the same old sides. If it is random, you could have 6 out of 10 sides playing from the Premier League. I would guess one of the other invites might come to the Premier League too which would make it worse. No doubt there are countless others as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 I’m just simply disgusted and sad. If we ever vote towards anything like this. I will burn my shirts and never watch us again. My heart says as a club we have too much integrity for this. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 StevO, markjazzbassist, Matt and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Bailey said: There are a couple of things about this new league that I dont think have been thought through. 1. There are going to be a lot of dead rubber games. If only the top 3 from a league of 10 count then once you are out of it then it becomes nothing more than an inconvenience. I can foresee a games having a pre-season feeling. 2. There are 6 English sides. Presumably they will be automatically split up but even so that is a fair few games against the same old sides. If it is random, you could have 6 out of 10 sides playing from the Premier League. I would guess one of the other invites might come to the Premier League too which would make it worse. No doubt there are countless others as well. But the owners the money men they don’t care about what a meaningless boring circus they are creating, they don’t care about the fans, they just want take as much money out of the game as they can in their lifetime, they have no real emotional feelings to the clubs they have bought or there history or there fans, it’s € $ and £ signs that interest them and they are using football as a means to achieve it. Bailey and markjazzbassist 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 They're trying to base it on the US sports model - the same teams playing the same limited number of opponents every year, with no promotion no relegation. It's as boring as sin and would never work in Britain. By the way, might Leicester be declared winners of the FA Cup by default? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 5 hours ago, barryj said: I can’t see it happening but at the same time it’s an absolute disgrace they’re even at this point. How can they do this to their own fan base? Still while there is uncertainty I doubt we’ll break ground at Bramley. Because they don't give a shit about real fans, the supporters who have got the clubs where they are today. Wipe out history (it seems to be the 'thing' now) it's all about the money. Been hopping mad all day. markjazzbassist and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/fk-you-well-walk-alone-fans-tell-liverpool-20210419207295 Palfy and Shukes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Palfy Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Every league in Europe needs to act now they need to show that they mean business and make the decisions to severely punish them, by taking points of them or even better demotion to a lower league, then if they carry on to form their shit league they should be expelled from the leagues in their countries and be removed from European football as we know it. Also no club not in their league should be allowed to sell players to them or buy players from them, and when their league fails they will not be allowed to rejoin their current associations and leagues, until all owners and directors who were part of them when they left no longer have any association with the clubs. markjazzbassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 The member teams' positions in their respective leagues are of little consequence. It's all about the amount of money the owners believe they can make. It's raw capitalism at its worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Actually I'm all for it. We won the last Derby, we have eternal bragging rights pete0, MikeO and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 James Milner on Sky being open and saying he doesn’t want it. Hopefully he’s one of many. Credit to Klopp for his comments too. Matt and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Leeds official Twitter is hilarious. Says they drew with super league side Mersey side reds. Lol well played social media person Matt, AlbanyNYToffee, pete0 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUnderToff Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Wonder how this goes with player contracts, as well as transfer agreements. I imagine a lot have trigger clauses around qualification and games played in the Europa and Champs league (as well as premier league games, assuming they're kicked out of there). At what point do contracts get voided, or sued over for transfer clauses. Matt, Sibdane and Bailey 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryj Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Gwlad all over said: Because they don't give a shit about real fans, the supporters who have got the clubs where they are today. Wipe out history (it seems to be the 'thing' now) it's all about the money. Been hopping mad all day. It was a rhetorical question. I know the answer as do we all it was to point out the very fabric that they just clearly don’t understand or if they do just blatantly don’t care for. The thing is the fans do have the power. If no one watches it doesn’t work. Gwlad and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 This is so grim, even the fans, the players, and the managers of this 'dirty dozen' clubs are against it, and happy to voice their contempt - a concept that has no legitimate support from anybody in football. Purely driven by a handful of greedy club owners and their accountants, nothing to do with football and everything to do with a hand full of extremely rich people getting richer from 'hobby' football club ownership - how much personal wealth do these people want? These owners are selling the soles of these clubs. Hopefully, the backlash will put off the other three 'chosen' clubs from signing up to this. I also would like to think the other five clubs they plan to annually invite all show solidarity and tell the super league to stick those token places where the sun don't shine. I wouldn't want to see Everton or any other club to legitimising this competition. How interesting could a 'closed' league of 12 teams really be long term? especially for your true fans, born of generations of tradition. It will be Las Vegas type football, for football tourists to enjoy; either beamed direct to your TV in Asia or to some other far flung corner of the planet, or getting yourself to a bucket list game. markjazzbassist and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Matt said: Actually I'm all for it. We won the last Derby, we have eternal bragging rights We also won the very first derby 2 hours ago, StevO said: James Milner on Sky being open and saying he doesn’t want it. Hopefully he’s one of many. Credit to Klopp for his comments too. Credit to Klopp for his comments before the match, but he was a bumbling cunt after the game attacking Neville and deflecting, deflecting, deflecting. The mask slips with a lot more regularity these days. StevO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, barryj said: It was a rhetorical question. I know the answer as do we all it was to point out the very fabric that they just clearly don’t understand or if they do just blatantly don’t care for. The thing is the fans do have the power. If no one watches it doesn’t work. problem is most of these teams have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of tourist fans all over the world, who are interested in headline game after headline game and will just lap it up. These owners don't care if the revenue comes from a bloke in Manchester or a fella in Beijing. Zoo 2.0 and Palfy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 20, 2021 Report Share Posted April 20, 2021 7 hours ago, RuffRob said: problem is most of these teams have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of tourist fans all over the world, who are interested in headline game after headline game and will just lap it up. These owners don't care if the revenue comes from a bloke in Manchester or a fella in Beijing. Very true they don’t care who pays to watch, Asia and the Pacific countries will be their biggest market, then in a couple of years it wouldn’t surprise me if they invite a team from the Chinese league. Bailey and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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