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Next Everton manager: the wisdom of TT.


Your choice of Everton manager  

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  1. 1. Who would you prefer to be Everton's next manager? Please nominate your top five choices.

    • Rafael Benitez
    • Marcelo Bielsa
    • Sergio Conceicao
    • Antonio Conte
    • Lucien Favre
    • Duncan Ferguson
    • Paulo Fonseca
    • Christopher Galtier
    • Rudi Garcia
    • Eddie Howe
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    • Frank Lampard
    • Roberto Martinez
    • David Moyes
    • Scott Parker
    • Andrea Pirlo
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    • Graham Potter
    • Ralph Rangnick
    • Claudio Ranieri
    • Nuno Espirito Santo
    • Maurizio Sarri

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Galtier still falls into the Potter camp for me.

He spent several years at Saint Ettiene and they did win a league cup beating Stade Rennais. His cup record aside from that is very poor both domestically and abroad. Since he left St Ettiene finished higher than they did with him and they reached the FA Cup final equivalent. 

He joined Lille in December 2017 and guided the club from 18th to 17th escaping relegation by a single point. He then saw a transformation, albeit with some significant help from his DoF. They came 4th and then won the league.

The 4th position came in the curtailed season when they played 28 out of 38 games. They ended with a goal difference of 8, which would get you about 8th over here based on the last three seasons.

They then went on to incredibly win the league this season, conceding only 23 goals. That won them the league. They were outperformed on scoring in real terms and in expected goals. 

I just cannot suddenly see any reason why after all of those years in management that it built up to this league win. There is nothing in his record to suggest he would back it up either. I could be hopelessly wrong but it just looks like one of those great footballing stories that gets thrown up every now and then. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Galtier still falls into the Potter camp for me.

He spent several years at Saint Ettiene and they did win a league cup beating Stade Rennais. His cup record aside from that is very poor both domestically and abroad. Since he left St Ettiene finished higher than they did with him and they reached the FA Cup final equivalent. 

He joined Lille in December 2017 and guided the club from 18th to 17th escaping relegation by a single point. He then saw a transformation, albeit with some significant help from his DoF. They came 4th and then won the league.

The 4th position came in the curtailed season when they played 28 out of 38 games. They ended with a goal difference of 8, which would get you about 8th over here based on the last three seasons.

They then went on to incredibly win the league this season, conceding only 23 goals. That won them the league. They were outperformed on scoring in real terms and in expected goals. 

I just cannot suddenly see any reason why after all of those years in management that it built up to this league win. There is nothing in his record to suggest he would back it up either. I could be hopelessly wrong but it just looks like one of those great footballing stories that gets thrown up every now and then. 

 

You got it wrong a bit.  The season after saving them from relegation Lille got 2nd, then 4th and then won the league. That's very consistent form over 3 full seasons. You are right their DOF brought him a lot of quality, something we're at hit and miss with Marcel. Luis Campos left as well, so apparently he'll want to join Galtier with his next appointment? Are we ready to give up on Brands?

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@Bailey My jaw dropped when I just read you mentioning 'expected goals' to talk down the achievement of a surprise league win that no one expected. Mate, this affair with expected goals has to stop 🤣

In all seriousness guys, really surprised by the Nuno thing. I just assumed it was an obvious choice and would be pretty nailed on. Not because he's my favourite or anything, just thought it all added up. Ha.

Anyway. Bit lost now. But reading up on this Galtier bloke, he sounds like he's done a good progressive job, like what we need. Only problem is, well...the Expected Goals were a bit low last season. Would need to address that as a matter of urgency.

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Honestly I think we could be a pretty attractive prospect for any manager really. Think about it, 4 out of the last 5 went onto potentially the biggest and best jobs they could have landed whilst not even having to succeed with us. ( I refuse to count big sam )

Moyes - Man U. Martinez - Belgium. Koeman - Barca. Carlo - Real Madrid.

So if any one fancies the City, Bayern or PSG job just throw 18 months here and it’s pretty much yours I figure.

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10 hours ago, London Blue said:

I'm not ready to give up on Brands, I don't think the majority of fans are.

Why though? What has he done to earn so much support? In my opinion our player recruitment is below par under his management. Where are the exciting young signings ala DCL we were all expecting? Brands is Dutch, we all know about the Dutch pool of talents and I remember when he came we're all exited and were chatting about incoming Dutch prospects, but it's been 3 years and I'm wondering where are they?! He's mainly signing top club rejects, of which only Digne worked out. Some big fish in small pond ala Godfrey, Doucoure who are considered safe signings and we paid premium to get them and the rest is a bull crap. Sorry, but nothing convinces me that he's doing a good job. We are where we are because of bad management and bad recruitment. If we do not hold the people responsible for the latter, no matter how many managers we change, we won't move forward.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Nuno isn't going to Palace now.

Oh for fucks sake.

Edit: Just taking comfort from the fact that it's breaking on the Echo, so we shall probably see him with a Palace shirt and scarf at lunchtime with a 5yr deal in his pocket.

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this all sounds a bit strange regarding Nuno - media say CP now not interested due to increased demands after speaking to Everton. That would suggest Everton offered him something and he either turned it down, or has also sounded out CP while he mulls over our offer. All sounds a bit fishy, as this sort of tactic would in the end see him at neither club - or at least it shouldn't. Wouldn't think he was that sort after to be able to play clubs against each other, and still have them wanting to sign him. 

 

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 Crikey. That's some turn of events. Interesting.

Honestly think whoever gets this job is literally just 2 or 3 attacking players - with pace and a bit of va va voom, away from having a team with much more potential than we've seen for a while. I'm not saying top 4, but certainly better than mid table. We just need more, well better, options in the final 3rd. Strength in depth will be an issue for a few more years mind.

Just hope whoever it is gets a fair go at it.

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3 hours ago, Haiku said:

Why though? What has he done to earn so much support? In my opinion our player recruitment is below par under his management. Where are the exciting young signings ala DCL we were all expecting? Brands is Dutch, we all know about the Dutch pool of talents and I remember when he came we're all exited and were chatting about incoming Dutch prospects, but it's been 3 years and I'm wondering where are they?! He's mainly signing top club rejects, of which only Digne worked out. Some big fish in small pond ala Godfrey, Doucoure who are considered safe signings and we paid premium to get them and the rest is a bull crap. Sorry, but nothing convinces me that he's doing a good job. We are where we are because of bad management and bad recruitment. If we do not hold the people responsible for the latter, no matter how many managers we change, we won't move forward.

Go to the Brands thread, you’ll find plenty of opinions on him and what his job entails and why he has support. 

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15 hours ago, Haiku said:

You got it wrong a bit.  The season after saving them from relegation Lille got 2nd, then 4th and then won the league. That's very consistent form over 3 full seasons. You are right their DOF brought him a lot of quality, something we're at hit and miss with Marcel. Luis Campos left as well, so apparently he'll want to join Galtier with his next appointment? Are we ready to give up on Brands?

Quite correct! Thanks for looking into it, I was sure they finished 2nd last year and then couldn't understand why they were 4th. Now it all makes sense!

I didn't realise Luis Campos left as well, although looking at the articles he is going to other clubs. I cannot see us removing Brands, especially as he is leading the search. It would be like a turkey voting for Christmas!

Taking another look at the "lost" season, this makes me more positive on him. 3 solid years with a side that should be challenging for those positions with the quality in the squad. That sounds like a slight but clearly the guys before him couldn't do it, albeit largely without Campos. The important things for me are that:

1. They conceded the least goals in the league (supporting this seasons achievement)

2. They scored (and were expected to score) a decent amount of goals (3rd most in the league). For the purpose of comparing them to this season, they also outperformed what was expected of them. It is a good trait to have if you do it consistently, and this now looks more like a pattern than an anomaly.

3. Looking at the results of the 2nd season, they won 6 of their last 7 conceding only 1 goal in those wins. Whilst they had a couple of poor results over the festive period, it looked like they got their act together and brought that momentum into this season. In the game they lost they also missed a penalty and conceded an own goal so on another day that could have been a different result as well.

I do still have concerns about his performances in the cup competitions but if Brands can do a similar job to Campos then I would be happy with his appointment to see what he could do. I certainly put him above other candidates being listed, albeit it would be a bit of a risk.

 

14 hours ago, Newty82 said:

@Bailey My jaw dropped when I just read you mentioning 'expected goals' to talk down the achievement of a surprise league win that no one expected. Mate, this affair with expected goals has to stop 🤣

In all seriousness guys, really surprised by the Nuno thing. I just assumed it was an obvious choice and would be pretty nailed on. Not because he's my favourite or anything, just thought it all added up. Ha.

Anyway. Bit lost now. But reading up on this Galtier bloke, he sounds like he's done a good progressive job, like what we need. Only problem is, well...the Expected Goals were a bit low last season. Would need to address that as a matter of urgency.

That wasn't my only concern Newty and you know it. Stop fishing for likes. :)

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Potter or Galtier for me, if I had to choose it would be Potter due to his PL experience and the quality of football his Brighton side played. With better players and resources I can see him being a success and getting us into Europe.

I have a good feeling about him being our manager.

 

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8 hours ago, RuffRob said:

this all sounds a bit strange regarding Nuno - media say CP now not interested due to increased demands after speaking to Everton. That would suggest Everton offered him something and he either turned it down, or has also sounded out CP while he mulls over our offer. All sounds a bit fishy, as this sort of tactic would in the end see him at neither club - or at least it shouldn't. Wouldn't think he was that sort after to be able to play clubs against each other, and still have them wanting to sign him. 

 

Possibly agent intervention the more they can get him the more they can get for themselves. 

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2 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I hope not. But will support him if it is.

There’s realistically nobody else out there. Although I’d be underwhelmed by it, looking at the bigger picture we need someone to come in who’ll be willing to start something and stay. Big named managers aren’t the answer. They will jump ship as proved by Ancelotti. That type of manager came too early for us. We aren’t at that stage. We need someone to come in and build a good squad get us into Europe then move up the ladder. Out of all the candidates I think Nuno suits us right now. 

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2 minutes ago, MC11 said:

There’s realistically nobody else out there. Although I’d be underwhelmed by it, looking at the bigger picture we need someone to come in who’ll be willing to start something and stay. Big named managers aren’t the answer. They will jump ship as proved by Ancelotti. That type of manager came too early for us. We aren’t at that stage. We need someone to come in and build a good squad get us into Europe then move up the ladder. Out of all the candidates I think Nuno suits us right now. 

I think both Potter or Galtier are realistic choices, and match your criteria, both play better football then Wolves did under Nuno.

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6 minutes ago, MC11 said:

There’s realistically nobody else out there. Although I’d be underwhelmed by it, looking at the bigger picture we need someone to come in who’ll be willing to start something and stay. Big named managers aren’t the answer. They will jump ship as proved by Ancelotti. That type of manager came too early for us. We aren’t at that stage. We need someone to come in and build a good squad get us into Europe then move up the ladder. Out of all the candidates I think Nuno suits us right now. 

I'm not sure fans will be happy with Nuno's sit back and counter type of football though. I'm still hoping for Galtier and if he can bring 1 or 2 of his stars from Lille we will push on.

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Just now, London Blue said:

I think both Potter or Galtier are realistic choices, and match your criteria, both play better football then Wolves did under Nuno.

Potter is a no from me. On the basis that he won’t attract top players to the club. I also just don’t think he’s a top 6 manager. It’s an opinion but I think he’s all wrong. 
 

The french guy I have absolutely no knowledge of. Again a massive gamble and can’t see a long sustainable stay from him. 

 

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4 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

The Guardian Fiver has the state of our club just about nailed on here

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/jun/09/the-fiver-wolves-lage-lage-lage-lage

There were rumours that Nuno was going to leave Wolves earlier in the year so it was not a surprise that he left, and gave Wolves a chance to draw up a short list of candidates. 

We were stunned by Carlo's betrayal.

A slightly different set of circumstances I think.......

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1 minute ago, London Blue said:

There were rumours that Nuno was going to leave Wolves earlier in the year so it was not a surprise that he left, and gave Wolves a chance to draw up a short list of candidates. 

We were stunned by Carlo's betrayal.

A slightly different set of circumstances I think.......

100% agree, still we do look like a bit of a circus at the moment.

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3 minutes ago, MC11 said:

Potter is a no from me. On the basis that he won’t attract top players to the club. I also just don’t think he’s a top 6 manager. It’s an opinion but I think he’s all wrong. 
 

The french guy I have absolutely no knowledge of. Again a massive gamble and can’t see a long sustainable stay from him. 

 

Potters team play very attractive football, and he has turned a squad of limited talents to a very good footballing team. Pep called him one of the moat talented young managers. I would take him over "sit back Nuno" any day.

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Just now, chicagoblue said:

100% agree, still we do look like a bit of a circus at the moment.

Its not a great look I grant you but, Spurs are worse with the "Conte Hockey Cokey", and the Palace version the "Nuno Two step".

At least we have been keeping thing quiet and doing business behind closed doors. To be fair I would rather we take a week or two and get it right.

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It's important to not let the media circus reflect bad on us. The media throwing names all over just shows that they have no clue. And, as I've said for years, it allows bookies to make a fortune. The biggest traditional sports media advertisers? Bookies. They work hand in hand.

I'm sure we've been in touch with various reps etc since Carlo left. Just no idea who.

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8 hours ago, Newty82 said:

It's important to not let the media circus reflect bad on us. The media throwing names all over just shows that they have no clue. And, as I've said for years, it allows bookies to make a fortune. The biggest traditional sports media advertisers? Bookies. They work hand in hand.

I'm sure we've been in touch with various reps etc since Carlo left. Just no idea who.

Why not? 🧐

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13 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Ha. I know. If only any of us knew 🤣.

(That's if I'm taking your reply in the right context).

You are mate, just read we are going for Conte, I still think the former England manager Mike Basset is in with a shout at this rate, or we could wait for Gareth Southgate he’s going to be out of work in about 3 weeks🤪

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/06/09/everton-consider-shock-move-former-liverpool-manager-rafa-benitez/

Everton consider shock move for former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez

There has been contact between Benitez, who lives on Merseyside and is a free agent, and Everton to sound out mutual interest

Everton are considering a shock move for former Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez.

Benitez is available and hungry for a return to the Premier League, and Everton owner Farhad Moshiri is weighing up what would be the most unexpected appointment in Goodison Park history.

Moshiri initially focused on two clear frontrunners in the race to replace Carlo Ancelotti, who plunged the club into an unwanted managerial crisis last week to return to Real Madrid. A first round of talks with representatives of ex-Wolves coach Nuno Espirito Santo did not lead to a convincing outcome, and a reunion with David Moyes is complicated as he is under contract at West Ham. Moyes, who spent 11 years at Everton, remains a strong contender, but Moshiri is adamant he will not meet the Scot without permission from the West Ham board with whom he has a good relationship.

That means some of the names previously thought of as rank outsiders have come into the equation, with Benitez, 61, the most intriguing to have been discussed at boardroom level.

Moshiri has good reason to at least meet Benitez, who lives on Merseyside and is a free agentfollowing his most recent stint at the Chinese club, Dalian Professional. There has already been contact between Benitez and Everton to sound out mutual interest. But for his obvious Anfield connections - Benitez spent six years at Liverpool where he won the Champions League and FA Cup - his candidacy would be a no-brainer given the calibre of his CV which includes the highest honours in European football.

Benitez has spoken openly about his eagerness to return to management in England as soon as possible, and is pragmatic enough to realise the Everton job is an attractive proposition. 

The question for Moshiri is how palatable that would be to his fanbase. There are numerous examples of players switching their allegiances, but no manager has ever led both clubs. 
Moshiri mulling over so many options is a sign that the recruitment process could take time, the owner with much to ponder as he assesses what direction to lead the club in the aftermath of Ancelotti’s exit

Everton desperately need a unifying figure to bring stability and continuity to the manager’s office, but the last nine days have served to underline the lack of certainty about the style of football and type of figurehead the club wants, the names considered ranging from experienced, proven managers to up-and-coming coaches.

Moshiri has tried many profiles of coach during the course of his six year reign: Roberto Martinez and Marco Silva meant to represent an exciting future; Ronald Koeman and Ancelotti men of global clout who were supposed to be safe pairs of hands; and Sam Allardyce.

Martinez, sacked in 2016, has also been mentioned for a potential Everton return, along with former Lille coach Christophe Galtier and Brighton’s Graham Potter.

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3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Moshiri has tried many profiles of coach during the course of his six year reign: Roberto Martinez and Marco Silva meant to represent an exciting future; Ronald Koeman and Ancelotti men of global clout who were supposed to be safe pairs of hands; and Sam Allardyce.

And Sam Allardyce 😂

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