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19 minutes ago, Shukes said:

The problem isn’t that we are shipping chances though, it’s that the players at the back aren’t confident enough with the ball to link with midfield effectively.

Mina isn’t a leader. He may be the least worst out of them all, but he isn’t in any way a leader in there. He is a much better game against Villa yesterday, but got bullied on Monday night. We need a CB that can come and mix it up, stand tough when needed and motivate players around him.

We don’t have that player in defence yet. Allan is the closest we have in the team.

They are all fine playing out of the back. I would say Keane is one of the best passers in the team. Mina is very good at drawing attackers out of position and playing around them. Last season everyone was telling me Godfrey was an elite midfielder! That isn't the problem in my opinion. 

I couldn't disagree more about Mina being bullied. You don't win the sheer number of duels he did if you are being bullied. He is the one fighter at the back. 

The issues lie with the make up of our midfield IMO. A central two are always likely to overloaded meaning we are likely to have less possession. Allan has an allround game but for all his qualities, Doucoure is not a possession midfielder. He is all energy popping up with a tackle in our box, before going down the other end and having a shot. 

I don't see us playing any differently under Rafa than being counter attacking and direct. 

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He didn’t win duels, he won headers. He was pushed over easily and didn’t stand up. 
You see him as a leader, I see him as a big guy that’s a lightweight.

You see ball playing defenders, I see technically inept players with a low confidence who panic when put under pressure.

Im fine with your opinion mate, I just completely disagree.

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I’m more concerned that we don’t lose to Norwich now that would put the skids under the team’s confidence, Rafa didn’t have much to choose from but put players out who have played in the the PL a fair amount of time’s, they should be doing better against the likes of your QPRs to be fair. He held back Gray Doucoure and Allan to give them a rest, and put Iwobi Gomes and Davies in they should be doing better than they did against that opposition same as Holgate and and Godfrey. I won’t be blaming Rafa for the lack of good options due to 5 years of miss appropriation of funds, it’s like we are relying on the same 11 players to be fit and play every single game, take 4 out due to injuries and we are fucked really after spending over 500 million since Moshiri took over, yet we blame Rafa who’s had nothing to spend and we call the 2nd round of the league cup our final, Christ we are in a shit state. 

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11 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I’m more concerned that we don’t lose to Norwich now that would put the skids under the team’s confidence, Rafa didn’t have much to choose from but put players out who have played in the the PL a fair amount of time’s, they should be doing better against the likes of your QPRs to be fair. He held back Gray Doucoure and Allan to give them a rest, and put Iwobi Gomes and Davies in they should be doing better than they did against that opposition same as Holgate and and Godfrey. I won’t be blaming Rafa for the lack of good options due to 5 years of miss appropriation of funds, it’s like we are relying on the same 11 players to be fit and play every single game, take 4 out due to injuries and we are fucked really after spending over 500 million since Moshiri took over, yet we blame Rafa who’s had nothing to spend and we call the 2nd round of the league cup our final, Christ we are in a shit state. 

Agree totally, for me Benitez has kind of got himself a near free pass this season - not being allowed big money spending like his predecessors and losing Gylfi in unusual circumstances.  On paper he has a weakened squad to those before him.

However, a years pass with no immediate massive spending might be a good thing in the longer term. Get to know the squad properly, build a relationship with Brands and build steady in the right places. Not just shoehorning expensive players in a squad in the first transfer of your appointment. We might lose 12 months, but the preceding 5years of big spending have not been all that.  

Benitez always talks about a good 'balance' to the squad and how we play. The free/cheap transfers already appear to be addressing this. Two of the player than have come in (and they are Benitez players) Grey and Townsend are making a difference to this squad and how we are able to play.  They are making as big an impact as we seen from any big transfer players in the past.

 

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50 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

They are making as big an impact as we seen from any big transfer players in the past.

Agreed they are, yet they aren’t or weren’t considered big players that were  being looked at by clubs of our size and stature, Benitez is possible the first manager who has bought players in for the positions that need filling, as he said I would have liked money because I could have got a better standard of player, in the past we have just been buying players who have had one or two decent seasons or who have a good past but are close to their sell by date, but most seem to have been bought with no concern as to how they improve or fit into the team, Rafa has shown if you buy players that you need to play for your system they don’t have to cost millions. 

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Norwich just became a very important game - not that they all aren't important of course. This is now where we either get the season back on some sort of track or the wheels can officially be declared as having fallen off.

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7 hours ago, RPG said:

Norwich just became a very important game - not that they all aren't important of course. This is now where we either get the season back on some sort of track or the wheels can officially be declared as having fallen off.

This is one of my gripes about us not taking the League Cup seriously , albeit there were mitigating circumstances this year

We do it every season, put out a shite team then get tonked and thereby either lose momentum or add unnecessary pressure on the side depending how we happen to be doing that particular season

 

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38 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

This is one of my gripes about us not taking the League Cup seriously , albeit there were mitigating circumstances this year

We do it every season, put out a shite team then get tonked and thereby either lose momentum or add unnecessary pressure on the side depending how we happen to be doing that particular season

 

Momentum is huge in football and we have a habit of using the cups to shoot ourselves in the foot!

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-january-transfer-funds-benitez-21668552

I guess it's good news that he's optimistic we'll have funds to spend in January, but I just don't trust January signings. Sure there have been some that work out (Bruno comes to mind as most recent), but they just make me anxious.

Although I guess with how paper thin our squad is, we may not have a choice.

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9 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-january-transfer-funds-benitez-21668552

I guess it's good news that he's optimistic we'll have funds to spend in January, but I just don't trust January signings. Sure there have been some that work out (Bruno comes to mind as most recent), but they just make me anxious.

Although I guess with how paper thin our squad is, we may not have a choice.

I agree full however there’s some handy players coming to the end of their contracts that we could get on the cheap and instantly improve the first team and squad depth. 

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I am so glad we got Rafa over Nuno. When it was looking like a two horse I was in the Nuno camp out of the two mainly due to the Rafa/Liverpool connection. So glad those who employed him had the courage to see beyond that and take Benitez for the professional that he is. 

Enjoyed his press conference again today. He talks good sense, and not to full of crap. I am sure his good honest effort, hard work and professionalism is rubbing of on the players at his disposal. Maybe a key ingredient that had been previously at this club for some time missing. 

I think we will be in a much better place come May 22. 

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5 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I thought he set us up brilliantly today, this team again showing so much fight and togetherness which we’ve missed since the days of David Moyes

Surely he is starting to win over the dissenters now? The job he is doing and the way he has us playing given all the injuries and financial restrictions we’ve had is nothing short of remarkable, even more so given the dross that was served up after the millions his predecessors had at their disposal 

You would have thought so but there’s nought querier than folk 

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6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I thought he set us up brilliantly today, this team again showing so much fight and togetherness which we’ve missed since the days of David Moyes

Surely he is starting to win over the dissenters now? The job he is doing and the way he has us playing given all the injuries and financial restrictions we’ve had is nothing short of remarkable, even more so given the dross that was served up after the millions his predecessors had at their disposal 

I was never a dissenter but he has exceeded all my expectations, off the pitch and on. Delighted for him and the team. Dare I say it, but a proper manager, at last.

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Rafa has got in the players heads, he’s got them working hard, understanding an effective system and their individual places in it, and got them believing in themselves. It sounds simple but we haven’t had that since Martínez season 1.
 

Even if you don’t like Rafa you’ve got to respect that. We were 10cm off top position yesterday. Long season to go but he’s worked a miracle so far.

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On 01/10/2021 at 13:56, Bailey said:

I think he might need to look at what is going on in training as the players are going down like flies at the moment.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-injury-gbamin-iwobi-calvert-21730843

 

Id say if they're muscular injuries,  its probably that they're being worked harder and playing with a greater intensity than we have for a long time, and that takes a period of physical adaptation.

That and just being unlucky with some injuries like DCL/Richy.

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5 hours ago, badaids said:

Rafa has got in the players heads, he’s got them working hard, understanding an effective system and their individual places in it, and got them believing in themselves. It sounds simple but we haven’t had that since Martínez season 1.
 

Even if you don’t like Rafa you’ve got to respect that. We were 10cm off top position yesterday. Long season to go but he’s worked a miracle so far.

Half the problem with our club is sentimental bollocks.....  Clapping kenwright for years despite poor ownership/ mismanagement, ex players getting jobs for the boys, managers getting leniency cos they are nice.

Rafa is a proper coach, he's not arsed about popularity like the ones who have their mates spinning shit at talksport (Bruce, Allardyce, pardew), doesn't try and win the journalists over.

I said a while back, he's exactly what the club and some fans need.  A fresh no nonsense perspective.  

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On 03/10/2021 at 11:58, msloan78 said:

Id say if they're muscular injuries,  its probably that they're being worked harder and playing with a greater intensity than we have for a long time, and that takes a period of physical adaptation.

That and just being unlucky with some injuries like DCL/Richy.

I imagine you are right, I get the feeling they were given a very easy time by Carlo!

On 03/10/2021 at 22:58, Aidan said:

I'm pleased with how much more tactically astute he is compared to Ancelotti. Substitutions and changes of system are much more effective and we offer much more in transition than last year.

We look so much more balanced even with recent injuries.

The difference on the counter attack is stark. We were terrible last season at trying to get from our defensive shape and into position to create a chance. Now it feels like whenever we win the ball back in midfield, we have numbers flooding forward, trying to make something happen. Its a bit like a game of basketball!

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Remember second season with Silva (worst manager I recall, yes worse than Walker, though he seems to be doing ok at minute) we had a very favourable opening fixture list similar to this season look at first 6 games and hope for 18pts realistically take 13 pts(4w 1d 1l) Silva had us on 6/7pts (hurts to look it back up), Rafa had us on 13pts and playing the best football without the ball I can remember, and we are effective with it. He is a manager as well as a coach as well as a tactician as well as a father figure/headmaster, he didn't really have to win me over as although he wouldn't have been my choice (Thomas Franck), I could see the sense in his appointment after whats gone since Moyes left, a steady hand on the rudder, if towards the end of the season we are in the chase for europe (CL), I'm sure we will be more aggressive in the hunt than we were under CA. I definitely trust Rafa and he's on an upward curve at the minute, though he still has to improve my faith in him which will only come over time and with consistency, do wish he'd got more credit from the "pundits" this weekend, though they have been fairly complimentary about us/him this season.

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On 03/10/2021 at 16:09, Hafnia said:

Rafa is a proper coach, he's not arsed about popularity like the ones who have their mates spinning shit at talksport (Bruce, Allardyce, pardew), doesn't try and win the journalists over.

I said a while back, he's exactly what the club and some fans need.  A fresh no nonsense perspective.  

Very happy to agree with this part of your post mate, I can’t go along with the Kenwright part I quite like the guy but that’s just a difference of opinion not a condemnation of your opinion. 

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2 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Agreed.

Although when reports first emerged about Carlo and Madrid I said the same thing...

I think this is different though. Rafa has more integrity than Carlo, plus he lives in the area etc etc

And we all know, as the press told us time and again, that this is the leading criterion when choosing a new manager. :)

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21 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

And we all know, as the press told us time and again, that this is the leading criterion when choosing a new manager. :)

I would be worried if there’s any truth in this Benitez love’s the club and the fans and they love him to a man not so here. He stayed and saw his contract out because he was made to believe the sale was going to happen end of his last season, it didn’t and I didn’t want to work for Ashley with no money and any assets always being sold so he left. I believe he could be persuaded to leave.  

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Sky’s favorite team behind the RS has always been Toon - remember back in the 90s when they tried to make them and Keegan everyone’s second team. It’s no different now.

Who knows if Benitez really loved it there? The only other reason to go is likely loads of cash. What he needs to do is come out and say he’s staying.

I hope he stays as it’s working for us at the minute, and I kind of like the fella in spite of everything. What I find hilarious is all bluenoses who were furious about him coming there are now loads papping their kecks about him possibly leaving.

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I believe Rafa is an honourable man regarding contracts. If he believed in their takeover going ahead and thought he might return I don't think he would have come to us. Looks like Newcastle are going to become another City splashing the cash to get every big name they can, bling boys.

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As much as I do not believe for one second it would actually happen, it would be just so Everton.

A manager comes in against the odds, wins the majority of the fan base around with a threadbare squad playing a brand of football that many are happy with and then he pisses off to bloody Newcastle.

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https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rafa-benitez-everton-moshiri-exclusive-21843777

Benitez is definitely saying the right things, and seems to be backed up with what we are actually seeing.

when you see the effort and performances the players are putting in thus far, I am very optimistic we have somebody at the helm that actually is a proper fit for what the club are trying to achieve.

I am hopeful we may now have the 'right manager' part of the jigsaw in place, even though it was an initially a very awkward appointment.

I think 12 to 18month of austerity, might not be a bad thing as not having the pressure of spending a 'war chest' in your first couple transfer is removed and the team might just develop and grow a bit more organically with the right players more slowly added to the squad. 

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15 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

How can the league schedule a derby game barely 48 hours after the previous game? That's unreasonable.

Agreed. But in response to that, I loved what he said about taking the Brentford game as seriously as the derby. And I think we're seeing that this season. We're beating the teams we should be beating, which is something that has not always been the case the last few years with us.

"Obviously the derby is the derby, but last year the team had good results against the top sides but still we finished in a position which was not good enough. So you have to make points.

"You have to be sure you compete against everyone - and if you can get three points against anyone it is three points. It is better if you get more satisfaction from beating a leading side, but for us we must compete in both games and try to win both."

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1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Agreed. But in response to that, I loved what he said about taking the Brentford game as seriously as the derby. And I think we're seeing that this season. We're beating the teams we should be beating, which is something that has not always been the case the last few years with us.

"Obviously the derby is the derby, but last year the team had good results against the top sides but still we finished in a position which was not good enough. So you have to make points.

"You have to be sure you compete against everyone - and if you can get three points against anyone it is three points. It is better if you get more satisfaction from beating a leading side, but for us we must compete in both games and try to win both."

Incidentally, Brentford is going to be a difficult team to beat. They are going to be one of this season's surprises. Honestly, I think Liverpool will be an easier team to beat than Brentford.

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