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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I suspect you are right , I’ve even heard of blues wanting us to lose so he gets booted out quickly ☹️
 

 

It’s shit, but this is the kind of thing that happens when the club make divisive decisions. 

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3 minutes ago, Bill said:

Can't believe people are wanting Everton to lose.

I think all those people who call themselves Everton Supporters should just do exactly that and Support Everton. 

I wouldn't give two fucks if Micky Mouse was our Manager as long as we are successful, and I think this new Manager will be more successful than the last half a dozen we've had.

Onward and upward.

Glad you agree that it's six previous managers, not ten :happy:.

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1 hour ago, StevO said:

I understand your point, but I completely disagree. These are reactions of people hurt by this decision and no one has the right to say they aren’t Evertonians. You might not like their actions and their opinions but they are entitled to them as much as any of us. 
 

It’s things like this that are not helping the cause. Someone supporting the club in a different way to someone else is absolutely no reason to make them not an Evertonian. 

I said in my post earlier that everyone is entitled to their opinion but i will stick to mine.

Any true Everton fan shouldn't want our team to lose regardless of the manager. 

Hurt, anger and upset is what 50% of the blues are feeling right now but all of us are 100% passionate about the club!

If those wanting Everton to lose or going to games to boo you're right- it's their actions and opinion so they're entitled to them.

The flip side of course, this will cause unrest in the ground amongst fans! We want to create a hostile atmosphere for the away team and fans not our own bloody team.

 

This is probably the most controversial appointment in my 41 years on the planet.

Some fans are happy

Some just okay

Some absolutely fucking livid.

Need to find a middle ground which is tough, probably something Houdini couldn't even muster up. 

 

Like most new seasons I'm excited to what we can achieve, which normally only last 15 games.

If Rafa does well i won't be one of those saying i told you so! 

I hope if the team are doing well, some might come around to the concept of Rafa being here- then maybe we can find some middle ground. 

 

 

 

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If he was that good a manager teams would have bit his hand off instead of him going off to China. Out of his last six jobs the only club to put up with for more than years is Newcastle. 

His peak was in 2005 with the team Houlier built. Compare that side to the one he left and you see how poor a manager he is. His football is worse than Alladyce who the fans didn't give a minute.

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21 minutes ago, pete0 said:

If he was that good a manager teams would have bit his hand off instead of him going off to China. Out of his last six jobs the only club to put up with for more than years is Newcastle. 

His peak was in 2005 with the team Houlier built. Compare that side to the one he left and you see how poor a manager he is. His football is worse than Alladyce who the fans didn't give a minute.

This is my feeling, too. I really don't care that he previously managed Liverpool, and everyone makes comments they regret. What concerns me is that he's Allardyce 2.0 and something of a 'has been'.

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24 minutes ago, pete0 said:

If he was that good a manager teams would have bit his hand off instead of him going off to China. Out of his last six jobs the only club to put up with for more than years is Newcastle. 

His peak was in 2005 with the team Houlier built. Compare that side to the one he left and you see how poor a manager he is. His football is worse than Alladyce who the fans didn't give a minute.

Newcastle we’re desperate for him to stay and their fans are genuinely gutted he has come to Everton and who is to say he never had other offers?

There were other teams interested in him this time as well

Pretty certain the money on offer in China was more of a factor in him going there than a lack of other offers

He is credited with doing a great job at Chelsea under very difficult circumstances so I think you are way off the mark to suggest he’s done nothing since 2005

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7 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

This is my feeling, too. I really don't care that he previously managed Liverpool, and everyone makes comments they regret. What concerns me is that he's Allardyce 2.0 and something of a 'has been'.

Surely a quick comparison of their respective CV’s would be enough to prove he is absolutely nothing like Fat Sam? 🤷🏻‍♂️

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A lot of good balanced opinions here to be honest.

Fair play to all for that.

Personally think it would be horrible for our club if he got booed upon being introduced. I think even he could understand an awkward silence or subdued but polite applause.

I think I'd just kind of nod in acknowledgement 🤣

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43 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Newcastle we’re desperate for him to stay and their fans are genuinely gutted he has come to Everton and who is to say he never had other offers?

There were other teams interested in him this time as well

Pretty certain the money on offer in China was more of a factor in him going there than a lack of other offers

He is credited with doing a great job at Chelsea under very difficult circumstances so I think you are way off the mark to suggest he’s done nothing since 2005

Newcastle fans are hardly known for their football knowledge. 

Since him managing Newcastle in the championship nearly every club above them has changed manager, add all the top leagues in Europe as well. Yet no one touched him. Why?

He's a multimillionaire, the extra ££ in China wouldn't make a difference to him.

If he was so good why did Chelsea get rid? Likewise Madrid, Inter. All less than a year!

He's declined from his peak since 2005. You disagree? Champions League to championship and China.

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1 hour ago, milesey05 said:

Hurt, anger and upset is what 50% of the blues are feeling right now but all of us are 100% passionate about the club!

 

I think this maybe where this appointment has changed people a little. I certainly don't feel as passionate about the club at the moment. I am certainly not excited about the new season, at least not at this moment anyway. A couple of good new signings might change that sense of anticipation but it is more a sense of dread to be honest.

8 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

Personally think it would be horrible for our club if he got booed upon being introduced. I think even he could understand an awkward silence or subdued but polite applause.

I think I'd just kind of nod in acknowledgement 🤣

I agree with this. If you don't like Benitez, the boos should be for Mohsiri (and the other board members). I will be giving Benitez a chance to show what he can do with this group of players before getting on his back, but I doubt I will ever like him. Maybe he might surprise me... I don't know... I am not sure what I really think at the moment!

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https://www.football365.com/news/farhad-moshiri-rafa-benitez-very-distant-connection-liverpool

Part of this article was in the post Dunc made.

I am just astounded by some of the points Mohsiri has made.

1. 3000 players on a computer listing their injuries and such - He obviously hasn't heard of the internet.

2. Passion - Hmmmm

3. Winning mentality - Hmmmm. How long ago did he last have a winning record?

4. Rallies and banners against Martinez and Moyes - I must have missed that.

5. Distant connection to Liverpool - What a stupid comment.

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Top and bottom of it is this.....he has won more trophies than any of our previous managers bar Ancellotti.

We can look at Newcastle China or whatever and try and predict how he will do here..... It makes no odds, we will only know when he starts.

He isn't soft, both he and moshiri know that mediocrity on the level of Ancellottis season will be handled with complete protest.  Moshiri will need to back him, Rafa will demand that.... They are both in a situation where there must be results.

Im quietly optimistic.... But maybe it's wishful thinking

This right here. Surely they understand that this kind of appointment needs more immediate results than previous managers. He won’t get the same amount time to build a squad. 

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1 hour ago, Pritam said:

Hi Guys,

I am a Liverpool fan. I absolutely love Rafael Benitez.

I am thrilled that he has been selected to be your manager. I am sure he will do very well for Everton. While we know that there is lot of animosity between the fans of the clubs, but I believe I am not alone when saying that we wish Everton always does well. We only wish Liverpool does better 😊.

I know he hasn't made the best remarks during his Liverpool days but it was almost a decade back. He must have realised since then that such remarks don't put him in a good light. During this dreaded pandemic, this has come as a good news. I am hopeful that he will be able to convince unhappy and angry fans that he will give his absolute best for Everton.

I especially expect Everton to do well in cup competitions and Europe in addition to finishing up higher than in the recent past.

Good luck guys. Stay safe and take care 🙂 of yourselves.

Pritam.

Hi Pritam sounds to me that Blue should be your colour, we are better class of supporter than the reds plus we have your favourite manager as well. It’s never to late mate to reverse the error of your ways, when you think about it you know it makes sense🙂

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

https://www.football365.com/news/farhad-moshiri-rafa-benitez-very-distant-connection-liverpool

Part of this article was in the post Dunc made.

I am just astounded by some of the points Mohsiri has made.

1. 3000 players on a computer listing their injuries and such - He obviously hasn't heard of the internet.

2. Passion - Hmmmm

3. Winning mentality - Hmmmm. How long ago did he last have a winning record?

4. Rallies and banners against Martinez and Moyes - I must have missed that.

5. Distant connection to Liverpool - What a stupid comment.

Every time he opens his mouth he makes a show of himself.

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The proof of the pudding will be in the eating now. He is here and we just have to accept it - whether we like it or not.

We can't be to hard on Benitez personal, he put his name in the hat and has landed a job he feels he can be successful at. After the interview process, he proved himself to the man who pays the bills that he is the best man for the job.

I was against him to start with, he didn't even come in to my thinking for any of my 5 votes (due to redhsite blind bias against him), when he became favourite for job - I though 'no chance the club will never hire him once the fans backlash is vented' - so much so I instantly put £25 on Nuno when his odds shifted out!! (not as clever a move as I first thought), I had every confidence that the board would see sense and not go near him due to the divisive nature of his appointment.

He is not a popular choice with many or most, but lets not kid ourselves he is a decent coach - you don't get his CV by chance. He is also proven and experienced at this level and the level we are aspiring too. We have had our fingers well and truly burnt with both Silva and Koenmen trying the next best thing with unproven managers, a steady pair of hands is probably what we need.

From all I have read Benitez is a much better coach and tactician than Ancelloti, where as Ancelotti is a good man manager of very top players. Benitez will give the players much more direction in what he wants them to do on the pitch. I heard a sound bite that Ancelotti's instruction was often ' just go out and play' - great when you have Worldies, but not so much when you the player are not at the very very top level.

Our problem will be the fans (and I include myself) simply getting over the fact that this is Rafa 'fucking' Benitez in the dugout.  Whether we like it or not, the success or failure of Benitez's will actually be down to us actually giving him a fair crack at the whip and getting over our preconceived biases against him.

I have heard he is a very nice chap who has done a lot of good work for the city of Liverpool, but on a professional side he is also ruthless in demanding the best effort and commitment out of both his players and employers. Perhaps this is why some clubs have shy in employing him - he has no qualms in holding owners to account if they are not doing all they can to bring success to the club. 

I have my fingers crossed that we all at least end up begrudgingly respecting him as he hopefully improved our club over then next few seasons. I am so tired of this manager merry go round!!

 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

4. Rallies and banners against Martinez and Moyes - I must have missed that.

There were banners against Martinez, at the end of his tenure is was as toxic as I've known Goodison and to be fair to Moshiri, he pulled the plug before the last game of the season against Norwich.

That said, the rest of your post I do agree with. Funny how his acknowledgement of Moyes means that he was in the frame to take over - even if unsuccessful.

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6 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

There were banners against Martinez, at the end of his tenure is was as toxic as I've known Goodison and to be fair to Moshiri, he pulled the plug before the last game of the season against Norwich.

That said, the rest of your post I do agree with. Funny how his acknowledgement of Moyes means that he was in the frame to take over - even if unsuccessful.

Good point, I hadn't thought about the end of his tenure. I just presumed that Mohsiri was referring to the selection process post-Ancellotti.

 

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42 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Got as far as By Guillem Balague and didn't bother to read any further.

 

1 minute ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Opened the link and saw Guillem Balgue's face looking back at me - closed the article and didn't read any more. 

Excuse my ignorance but why the dislike/lack of interest? I don't really know anything about him.

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1 hour ago, chicagoblue said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57673841

 

This reads like an insiders account. If so, it's 100% confirmation That Usmanov is a decision maker at the club.

two spending billions are better than none. 

A very general rule - but it seem American owners want to make money out of football clubs and Russian billionaire want to spend their money on football clubs and try and win as much as they can!! 

My thought is Moshiri is the current owners face (with Usmanov in the wings). Not being a current shareholder Usmanov can legitimately pump his money in to the club with 'arms length' 'sponsorships' - if Usmanov was named shareholder then would be limits on this. All quite crafty really in order to allow more funds to be legitimacy put in to the club. If this was 10-15years ago before FFP, I have little doubt now that Usmanov would have just bought the club and done a Chelsea/Man City. I think this is the ultimate end goal - just taking a lot longer and more fiddly due to FFP rules. 

Its easy to criticise Moshiri that 'success' is not yet happening, But I am sure with around £500million of his money spent and a new stadium actually being build over the next 3 year he is just as frustrated as we are, if not more so.

Given what he is doing for this club, I am inclined to give him a bit of leeway in being strong in his choice of manager this time around. A manager he was paying a kings ransom of £10M a year has just walked out on him.  We should actually count our blessing really to have such committed owners who genuinely want us at the very top table of English and European football. All I can personally do is to get behind him, and if that means giving Rafa as fair as go at the job, the same as I gave Ancelotti and those before him I will do. 

 

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3 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I have heard he is a very nice chap who has done a lot of good work for the city of Liverpool

Seems to be, his kids went to the same infant school at the same time as my son, he was often seen at the school gates picking his kids in the afternoons and always had time to chat with the other parents.

Nice bloke or not, I want my club to succeed, most thought it was a nailed on certainty with the last guy, who it turns out talked a good story and delivered shit football. So I will welcome him to our club and judge him on what he does, if it’s shit, I’ll boo, if it’s good I’ll cheer.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

 

Excuse my ignorance but why the dislike/lack of interest? I don't really know anything about him.

He comes across as a really nice guy (would happily have a pint with him) but he has a knack for reporting absolute twaddle. The kind of guy that would say that Nuno Santo is in the building at Finch Farm 15 minutes before we announce Benitez. 

Not something that I have a lot of trust in, so I don't give his reporting the time of day. 

Fabrizio Romano is the man to follow.

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1 hour ago, MikeO said:

 

Excuse my ignorance but why the dislike/lack of interest? I don't really know anything about him.

Knows nothing about football. Was just a random Spanish person in Liverpool university who then started supporting Liverpool as Benetiz was there. No idea how he ended up on sky.

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3 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/57673841

 

This reads like an insiders account. If so, it's 100% confirmation That Usmanov is a decision maker at the club.

I read that article earlier. When I read this I knew it was BS.

"And Benitez impressed Moshiri and Usmanov - the decision-makers at the club - in his first two video conference chats. They liked what he was bringing - including ideas about the academy, the design of the squad, how to improve their injury problems and his track record."

Brands runs the footballing side of the club. If they are brining in Benitez because of his "ideas about the academy" then Brands might as well quit.

The design of the squad is also a new one on me, at least to be impressed by it. What exactly could they possibly be? Not buy 4 number 10s in one transfer window? 

Benitez may have been around the block but he isn't a sports scientiest. We have a whole sports science department to manage player fitness and injuries. 

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23 hours ago, Palfy said:

Hi Pritam sounds to me that Blue should be your colour, we are better class of supporter than the reds plus we have your favourite manager as well. It’s never to late mate to reverse the error of your ways, when you think about it you know it makes sense🙂

Sure, Never say never 😊. I do support Everton when Liverpool don't play. In acway I guess blue is my color. A big reason for my love of Everton is a scene from one of the derbies in the early 2000s. I saw two brothers sit together with a Red and a Blue jersey. They were sharing food. This just melted my heart. Never had I seen anything like this before. I have been in awe of Everton ever since.

In a way, Liverpool FC is incomplete without Everton FC.

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On 01/07/2021 at 19:05, MikeO said:

 

Excuse my ignorance but why the dislike/lack of interest? I don't really know anything about him.

BBC diversity project. Sure as shit isn't for his footballing knowledge. 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I'm deliberately keeping quiet for now. I'm not comfortable with this at all. But as I've said before, it takes a properly strong character to walk into this storm that he's going to face, and we sorely need that. Every wasted point, the atmosphere will get more and more toxic so he better be a success because otherwise I don't see him being able to live where he wants. Sad but true. 

But, I will admit that his interview came across well. Not enough for me to relax or get excited or think "phew, it's not as bad as I thought", but enough to think he's clearly here to do something positive. I don't expect him to last the season, but if he does it will mean it's because he's done well, and so long as he does well he'll get my backing. 

I feel the same, of all the options listed I never kind of felt he was realistic or appropriate but now that he his here I’ll get behind him. To his credit, he is walking into a position in which he has so more to lose than gain and I respect that. He could have easily stayed in and around the leagues like China and collected a big wage packet but he has put his reputation on the line somewhat to come here. 

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7 hours ago, Pritam said:

Sure, Never say never 😊. I do support Everton when Liverpool don't play. In acway I guess blue is my color. A big reason for my love of Everton is a scene from one of the derbies in the early 2000s. I saw two brothers sit together with a Red and a Blue jersey. They were sharing food. This just melted my heart. Never had I seen anything like this before. I have been in awe of Everton ever since.

In a way, Liverpool FC is incomplete without Everton FC.

I new I was right👍

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2 hours ago, StevO said:

Haha if you scroll up you will see plenty disagree with that. 
Personally think the man is full of shit and some out whenever I see him pop up on Sky. 

Let’s not forget he’s the waiters mate as well. Be like listening to one of Bisto Tits media mates wax lyrical about him. 

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11 hours ago, Hafnia said:

 

A really good watch. Balague knows his stuff. 

Yeah I thought that was good, shed some light on a couple of things we’ve been talking about in here such as his man management and whether or not he had other offers

Granted Balague is close to Rafa so he was always going to back his corner but I thought it was interesting none the less

Dont really get the hate for Balague either but each to their own and all that

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4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Yeah I thought that was good, shed some light on a couple of things we’ve been talking about in here such as his man management and whether or not he had other offers

Granted Balague is close to Rafa so he was always going to back his corner but I thought it was interesting none the less

Dont really get the hate for Balague either but each to their own and all that

Some fooking ridiculous shit going on now. Balague knows his stuff.  He's spot on about the discontent that will emerge from the players/staff when changes are being rung.

I get the feeling he's gonna shake shit up and I look forward to it.  Far too many comfortable people. 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Let’s not forget he’s the waiters mate as well. Be like listening to one of Bisto Tits media mates wax lyrical about him. 

Difference being one made his name winning trophies and the other by avoiding relegation.

Called us a small club for doing a penknives to gunfight routine in the Derby..... Wasn't wrong was he? Not nice to hear but given the fact that the next 10+ years seen us face Liverpool like they were Barcelona and we were Accrington Stanley does actually make him correct in his sentiments.

Spat his dummy out big time cos he didnt win - I like that.  Maybe if our players were like that they wouldn't be stood round the circle at full time talking behind their hands to opponents having just been beaten. 

Im not starting a Rafa fan club but I'll certainly be fully behind him if kicks some arses into shape and our shitty culture gets replaced with a winners mentality. 

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22 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Difference being one made his name winning trophies and the other by avoiding relegation.

Called us a small club for doing a penknives to gunfight routine in the Derby..... Wasn't wrong was he? Not nice to hear but given the fact that the next 10+ years seen us face Liverpool like they were Barcelona and we were Accrington Stanley does actually make him correct in his sentiments.

Spat his dummy out big time cos he didnt win - I like that.  Maybe if our players were like that they wouldn't be stood round the circle at full time talking behind their hands to opponents having just been beaten. 

Im not starting a Rafa fan club but I'll certainly be fully behind him if kicks some arses into shape and our shitty culture gets replaced with a winners mentality. 

To be fair to Sam Allardyce, the best side he has managed was the Bolton side he created. 

Benitez's early days were mixed.

Early coaching

The first attempts by Benítez at senior management away from the Real Madrid fold were less than successful. He was appointed manager of Real Valladolid for the 1995–96 season, but was dismissed after only two wins in 23 games with the club bottom of La Liga. During the 1996–97 season, Benítez took charge at Osasuna in the Segunda División, but after only nine games and one win, he was dismissed. He did, however, meet the fitness instructor Pako Ayestarán at the club, and went on to form a partnership with him at several clubs for the next decade. In 1997, he joined another Segunda División side, Extremadura, and this time led them to promotion, finishing second in the table behind Alavés after winning 23 out of 42 games. Extremadura only survived one season in La Liga, however, and were relegated in 1999 after finishing 17th and losing a play-off to Rayo Vallecano.[4]

Benítez subsequently quit Extremadura and took a year off from football to study in England and Italy. He also worked as a commentator/analyst for Eurosport, Marca, El Mundo and local Madrid TV. In 2000, he was appointed manager of Tenerife of the Segunda División and with a team that included Mista, Curro Torres and Luis García, he gained promotion to La Liga by finishing third in the league behind Sevilla and Real Betis.[4]

He then managed to get the Valencia gig, a team that got to the Champions League final the two years prior.

I am not saying that Allardyce would have won anything with a quality squad but he has never had the chance. Benitez got his and to his credit he took it with both hands.

17 minutes ago, Shukes said:

For me he isn’t red anymore…. He’s blue now!

Apparently he fell out with John Terry at Chelsea as he kept referring to Liverpool as "we"!

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44 minutes ago, Bailey said:

To be fair to Sam Allardyce, the best side he has managed was the Bolton side he created. 

Benitez's early days were mixed.

Early coaching

The first attempts by Benítez at senior management away from the Real Madrid fold were less than successful. He was appointed manager of Real Valladolid for the 1995–96 season, but was dismissed after only two wins in 23 games with the club bottom of La Liga. During the 1996–97 season, Benítez took charge at Osasuna in the Segunda División, but after only nine games and one win, he was dismissed. He did, however, meet the fitness instructor Pako Ayestarán at the club, and went on to form a partnership with him at several clubs for the next decade. In 1997, he joined another Segunda División side, Extremadura, and this time led them to promotion, finishing second in the table behind Alavés after winning 23 out of 42 games. Extremadura only survived one season in La Liga, however, and were relegated in 1999 after finishing 17th and losing a play-off to Rayo Vallecano.[4]

Benítez subsequently quit Extremadura and took a year off from football to study in England and Italy. He also worked as a commentator/analyst for Eurosport, Marca, El Mundo and local Madrid TV. In 2000, he was appointed manager of Tenerife of the Segunda División and with a team that included Mista, Curro Torres and Luis García, he gained promotion to La Liga by finishing third in the league behind Sevilla and Real Betis.[4]

He then managed to get the Valencia gig, a team that got to the Champions League final the two years prior.

I am not saying that Allardyce would have won anything with a quality squad but he has never had the chance. Benitez got his and to his credit he took it with both hands.

Apparently he fell out with John Terry at Chelsea as he kept referring to Liverpool as "we"

You may want to fact check racist, team mates wife shagging.... John Terrys version.......

Never got his own way with Rafa, liked to run the dressing room and got a few managers sacked with lampard and Drogba.  Benitez dropped him to let him know who was boss ..... 

Gerrard has a great relationship with Rafa now - said that Rafa not pandering to him was brilliant psychology. 

John Terry was a huge issue at Chelsea - great player. Had a gambling problem that the club needed to manage, shagging team mates wives, racially abusing a player.  Rafa referred to things he did at Liverpool - he didn't say "we" in terms of being a Liverpool employee.

Didn't like Rafa for one reason and that was that he never gave Terry the power he craved. 

The more I'm thinking about it ..... The more I'm liking Rafa. 

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12 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You may want to fact check racist, team mates wife shagging.... John Terrys version.......

Never got his own way with Rafa, liked to run the dressing room and got a few managers sacked with lampard and Drogba.  Benitez dropped him to let him know who was boss ..... 

Gerrard has a great relationship with Rafa now - said that Rafa not pandering to him was brilliant psychology. 

John Terry was a huge issue at Chelsea - great player. Had a gambling problem that the club needed to manage, shagging team mates wives, racially abusing a player.  Rafa referred to things he did at Liverpool - he didn't say "we" in terms of being a Liverpool employee.

Didn't like Rafa for one reason and that was that he never gave Terry the power he craved. 

The more I'm thinking about it ..... The more I'm liking Rafa. 

Hilarious. Telling me to fact check and then you come out with a string of unsupported allegations. 

The quotes from Terry look pretty open and honest to me. He talks about his injury and form in them. It isnt like he is saying I was amazing but wasn't picked. It should also be pointed out that when Rafa left, Terry had a great season the following year under Mourinho. I doubt Mourinho let Terry get away with the things you are claiming! 

In any event, the point I made was tongue in cheek to Shukes. I wasnt expecting it to be taken so seriously!

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Difference being one made his name winning trophies and the other by avoiding relegation.

Called us a small club for doing a penknives to gunfight routine in the Derby..... Wasn't wrong was he? Not nice to hear but given the fact that the next 10+ years seen us face Liverpool like they were Barcelona and we were Accrington Stanley does actually make him correct in his sentiments.

Spat his dummy out big time cos he didnt win - I like that.  Maybe if our players were like that they wouldn't be stood round the circle at full time talking behind their hands to opponents having just been beaten. 

Im not starting a Rafa fan club but I'll certainly be fully behind him if kicks some arses into shape and our shitty culture gets replaced with a winners mentality. 

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13 minutes ago, Bailey said:

Hilarious. Telling me to fact check and then you come out with a string of unsupported allegations. 

The quotes from Terry look pretty open and honest to me. He talks about his injury and form in them. It isnt like he is saying I was amazing but wasn't picked. It should also be pointed out that when Rafa left, Terry had a great season the following year under Mourinho. I doubt Mourinho let Terry get away with the things you are claiming! 

In any event, the point I made was tongue in cheek to Shukes. I wasnt expecting it to be taken so seriously!

Terry honest?  You mean to say that he didnt call Anton Ferdinand a black c&-£.

Lip readers established that those words did in fact get spoken - Terry was found guilty.  He then said he reached out to Ferdinand and Ferdinand said he never but would welcome him to do so.

Terry never shagged Wayne bridges wife either???  I suppose him parking his Bentley in s disabled bay didnt happen either.

But ..... Terry did ok when they got the manager in who he wanted Rafa sacked for?  Yeah that makes sense, the same manager who literally causes shit wherever he goes? Who sacked a physio after insulting her costing the club £5m

Bit of a nightmare there bailey. 

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