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39 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Terry honest?  You mean to say that he didnt call Anton Ferdinand a black c&-£.

Lip readers established that those words did in fact get spoken - Terry was found guilty.  He then said he reached out to Ferdinand and Ferdinand said he never but would welcome him to do so.

Terry never shagged Wayne bridges wife either???  I suppose him parking his Bentley in s disabled bay didnt happen either.

But ..... Terry did ok when they got the manager in who he wanted Rafa sacked for?  Yeah that makes sense, the same manager who literally causes shit wherever he goes? Who sacked a physio after insulting her costing the club £5m

Bit of a nightmare there bailey. 

What the hell are you on about? You have moved so far away from the original point I replied to you about its embarrassing. 

You do realise you dishonest people don't lie all the time. Are you saying he also wasn't being honest about his form and injuries as well, or just the bits you don't agree with? 

 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

What the hell are you on about? You have moved so far away from the original point I replied to you about its embarrassing. 

You do realise you dishonest people don't lie all the time. Are you saying he also wasn't being honest about his form and injuries as well, or just the bits you don't agree with? 

 

Ah so when it suits your agenda he's telling the truth? Of course.   

Honest John Terry eh..... 

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2 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Can we all agree that Terry is a racist cunt that nobody wants near our club, or our wife.

But he tells the truth about Rafa, can't be honest about anything else like. 

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Possibly not the right time to announce this but I own a signed and framed John Terry shirt, not in Chelsea colours but an England shirt, being an Englishman and proud supporter of our national team I have no problem with that he was a great player for his country, so bought his shirt at a sporting dinner hosted by Bobby Robson who when handing it over to me lamented about what a fantastic player he was, Bobby another proud Englishman god rest his soul. 

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8 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Possibly not the right time to announce this but I own a signed and framed John Terry shirt, not in Chelsea colours but an England shirt, being an Englishman and proud supporter of our national team I have no problem with that he was a great player for his country, so bought his shirt at a sporting dinner hosted by Bobby Robson who when handing it over to me lamented about what a fantastic player he was, Bobby another proud Englishman god rest his soul. 

Great player no doubt, still a cunt tho.

Rio was better IMHO. 

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3 hours ago, Palfy said:

Possibly not the right time to announce this but I own a signed and framed John Terry shirt, not in Chelsea colours but an England shirt, being an Englishman and proud supporter of our national team I have no problem with that he was a great player for his country, so bought his shirt at a sporting dinner hosted by Bobby Robson who when handing it over to me lamented about what a fantastic player he was, Bobby another proud Englishman god rest his soul. 

Was just about to rip you, then you mentioned Bobby 🙂

What an honour mate, honestly jealous. Great man.

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20 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Was just about to rip you, then you mentioned Bobby 🙂

What an honour mate, honestly jealous. Great man.

You’ve never let anything get in the way before 😂 Your right he was a wonderful man, he was suffering with cancer at the time but still honoured his commitments, and had time for a chat with everyone, he was over the moon that I was a Geordie, he even said to his manager/agent “ can you believe it that lads a Geordie “ never had the heart to tell him there’s loads of us in Swindon😊

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Starting to like the sound of Rafa the more I read about him to be honest

Think this bunch of prima donnas needs a no nonsense manager who won’t stand for their half arse efforts, if he ruffles a few feathers then so be it
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9752359/DANNY-MURPHY-Rafa-Benitez-great-appointment-Everton.html

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57 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Starting to like the sound of Rafa the more I read about him to be honest

Think this bunch of prima donnas needs a no nonsense manager who won’t stand for their half arse efforts, if he ruffles a few feathers then so be it
 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9752359/DANNY-MURPHY-Rafa-Benitez-great-appointment-Everton.html

Totally agree.

Finch farm looks more like happy farm when you watch these Everton FC videos. 

Players all chummy before and after games with their international teammate opponents.   

Rafa is gonna lose some of the dressing room which he will plan for - a culture change from comfort to hard arsed work is not going to go well with the "let's pretend I'm busy" merchants. 

He will know our weaknesses more than most. I'm actually looking forward to the fallout.  

I anticipate a bit of "he can't do that cos that players one of our best and he will want to leave". ..... If we have players who want to leave cos a manager doesn't indulge them and they can't do what they want then they are part of the reason the Rafa is our 5 th manager in a handful of years. 

 

Crack on Rafa. 

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4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I think that is definitely the case. The Ancellotti appointment seemed a bit too glamorous and we arent a glamorous club! 

When I think of the games I have most enjoyed they have been high energy, lots of hard work and bit of quality of magic in the mix. Benitez certainly has a lot more grit about him, I am just not entirely sure what type of football he is going to deliver. 

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18 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Ah so when it suits your agenda he's telling the truth? Of course.   

Honest John Terry eh..... 

I don't know whether he is telling the truth or not. I wasn't there and that is why I used the word "apparently" in the original post you have all of a sudden gone off on one about. 

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1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I don't know whether he is telling the truth or not. I wasn't there and that is why I used the word "apparently" in the original post you have all of a sudden gone off on one about. 

You are using John Terry as a source of Rafa not being a good manager......you may as well post up links from the sun or news of world for all the credibility he has. 

John Terry is a 24 carat prick, liar and snake of a man. He has got managers sacked left right and centre, he tried to lead an England revolt against capello at the world cup. He plays along if the managers do what he likes them to do. 

You could dig a little further to his time at Chelsea and look at Juan Matas opinion of Rafa, and oriel Romeu..... Both said he had a ton of shit to deal with regarding the atmosphere at the club - no doubt Mr Terry doing his thing. The players on the whole bought in and Romeu said his attention to detail and coaching was "staggering". 

Rafa doesn't kiss arses.  He gets results.

Lets see how he goes. 

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I always used to buy into the idea that Terry, Lampard and the big names at Chelsea all got managers sacked when they didn’t like them. 
But all of those big names left and the sackings carried on, even to one of them. Maybe they didn’t get managers sacked, maybe the owner is just happy to replace managers on a regular basis. 

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28 minutes ago, StevO said:

I always used to buy into the idea that Terry, Lampard and the big names at Chelsea all got managers sacked when they didn’t like them. 
But all of those big names left and the sackings carried on, even to one of them. Maybe they didn’t get managers sacked, maybe the owner is just happy to replace managers on a regular basis. 

Gary Neville announced it on Monday night football that Lampard could not take too much offense to being sacked after losing the dressing room - after all he was one of the group who got Chelsea managers sacked - specifically citing AVB. 

Apparently they rang up members of the media to get them booted out.  Brutal. 

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3 hours ago, Hafnia said:

You are using John Terry as a source of Rafa not being a good manager......you may as well post up links from the sun or news of world for all the credibility he has. 

John Terry is a 24 carat prick, liar and snake of a man. He has got managers sacked left right and centre, he tried to lead an England revolt against capello at the world cup. He plays along if the managers do what he likes them to do. 

You could dig a little further to his time at Chelsea and look at Juan Matas opinion of Rafa, and oriel Romeu..... Both said he had a ton of shit to deal with regarding the atmosphere at the club - no doubt Mr Terry doing his thing. The players on the whole bought in and Romeu said his attention to detail and coaching was "staggering". 

Rafa doesn't kiss arses.  He gets results.

Lets see how he goes. 

When have I said Rafa isn't a good manager? Even if the comments Terry said are true, how does that make Rafa a bad manager? You are making up arguments to get in a tizz about.

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Gary Neville announced it on Monday night football that Lampard could not take too much offense to being sacked after losing the dressing room - after all he was one of the group who got Chelsea managers sacked - specifically citing AVB. 

Apparently they rang up members of the media to get them booted out.  Brutal. 

So Neville can be believed about something he didnt actually physically see or experience, but Terry can't be believed about something that happened to him because he is a scumbag. 

Here is Lampard's account by the way. The short story is that Neville was talking BS.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/chelsea/frank-lampard-chelsea-player-power-was-not-behind-the-sacking-of-andre-villas-boas-30565189.html

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

When have I said Rafa isn't a good manager? Even if the comments Terry said are true, how does that make Rafa a bad manager? You are making up arguments to get in a tizz about.

So Neville can be believed about something he didnt actually physically see or experience, but Terry can't be believed about something that happened to him because he is a scumbag. 

Here is Lampard's account by the way. The short story is that Neville was talking BS.

https://m.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/chelsea/frank-lampard-chelsea-player-power-was-not-behind-the-sacking-of-andre-villas-boas-30565189.html

So what's your issue about Rafa then? I don't see your initial post being anything other than looking for negatives.... By my understanding he may actually know almost as much about tactics as you? 

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17 hours ago, Hafnia said:

So what's your issue about Rafa then? I don't see your initial post being anything other than looking for negatives.... By my understanding he may actually know almost as much about tactics as you? 

I think that is unlikely ;)

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“Please – no more X-Liverpool players telling Evertonians how lucky they are to have Benitez at Goodison,” wrote Keys. “No they’re not. Most don’t want him.

“The majority will tolerate him, but they don’t want lectures on how they should be feeling from across Stanley Park.

“It will end in tears. It always does with Benitez.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/richard-keys-benitez-everton-manager-24468189.amp

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7 minutes ago, pete0 said:

“Please – no more X-Liverpool players telling Evertonians how lucky they are to have Benitez at Goodison,” wrote Keys. “No they’re not. Most don’t want him.

“The majority will tolerate him, but they don’t want lectures on how they should be feeling from across Stanley Park.

“It will end in tears. It always does with Benitez.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/richard-keys-benitez-everton-manager-24468189.amp

Find that quite reassuring, if Keys thinks he's going to fail he'll almost certainly be successful.

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25 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Find that quite reassuring, if Keys thinks he's going to fail he'll almost certainly be successful.

That's the thing about opinions - every clown can have one. 

He is here now, no matter who likes it or not or what their opinions are on him.

First hurdle will be signings - It will be really interesting to see who comes in this summer. As always, it will be a struggle to attracted established names (for reasonable wages). It will be interesting to see which way he directs Brands. I really hope its geared more towards exciting young players keen to work hard, and step up and prove themselves in the top end of the Premiership. 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

“Please – no more X-Liverpool players telling Evertonians how lucky they are to have Benitez at Goodison,” wrote Keys. “No they’re not. Most don’t want him.

“The majority will tolerate him, but they don’t want lectures on how they should be feeling from across Stanley Park.

“It will end in tears. It always does with Benitez.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/richard-keys-benitez-everton-manager-24468189.amp

Yesterday's man, Keys.

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6 hours ago, pete0 said:

“Please – no more X-Liverpool players telling Evertonians how lucky they are to have Benitez at Goodison,” wrote Keys. “No they’re not. Most don’t want him.

“The majority will tolerate him, but they don’t want lectures on how they should be feeling from across Stanley Park.

“It will end in tears. It always does with Benitez.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/richard-keys-benitez-everton-manager-24468189.amp

He’s a knob but I agree. It’s been bad enough other Evertonians telling us how we should feel, let alone them lot!

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Have we created this negative a ti football ourselves?

I honestly have never heard this reputation with Rafa. Not sure where it came from.

Always thought he was a manager that stabilises a team, then progress’s them forward. Most fans from teams he has managed seem to class him as a manager they would have back.

I feel someone has said it in the thread…. And many have rolled with it.

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2 hours ago, Shukes said:

Have we created this negative a ti football ourselves?

I honestly have never heard this reputation with Rafa. Not sure where it came from.

Always thought he was a manager that stabilises a team, then progress’s them forward. Most fans from teams he has managed seem to class him as a manager they would have back.

I feel someone has said it in the thread…. And many have rolled with it.

Newcastle only scored more than 2 goals in a game once under him (against us, more telling about Silva). 

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12 hours ago, Shukes said:

Have we created this negative a ti football ourselves?

I honestly have never heard this reputation with Rafa. Not sure where it came from.

Always thought he was a manager that stabilises a team, then progress’s them forward. Most fans from teams he has managed seem to class him as a manager they would have back.

I feel someone has said it in the thread…. And many have rolled with it.

I think there is definitely an overreaction but that is largely based on his Newcastle side who, at times, were one of the most defensive sides I have seen. Put it this way, Allardyce's West Brom side after only 6 months were playing much better football than Benitez's Newcastle side did despite being there for 3 years. 

Whilst Benitez is clearly a cautious manager looking more at stopping the opposition that exposing the weaknesses of the other team, I have always thought of him as fairly balanced. 

I expect we will see a mid-block, the side will be organised, press cohesively and I certainly don't think we will be a soft touch. 

In the same breath, my recollection of his time at Liverpool and Chelsea is that his sides aren't the most creative. They are balanced and rely a lot on counter attacking opportunities rather than creating overloands and exposing space. 

Now this might remind you of a certain Italian who led us to picking up points in tough games before slipping up in the ones we should win. I don't think Benitez will be much different however here there is no Gerrard screamers or peak Torres to get the side out of a hole. 

The positive with Benitez when compared to Ancellotti is that Benitez has managed average players before. A lot of people were happy with Ancellotti when we were picking up the points at the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea despite the quality of the football on show. I am sure those people will be happy with Rafa. The rest of us will have to wait and see. 

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56 minutes ago, Bailey said:

 

The positive with Benitez when compared to Ancellotti is that Benitez has managed average players before. A lot of people were happy with Ancellotti when we were picking up the points at the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea despite the quality of the football on show. I am sure those people will be happy with Rafa. The rest of us will have to wait and see. 

last season we actually didn't look like much of a 'team' when we where on the pitch. Player swill be clear on what is expected of them with a very clear game plan.

This next couple of seasons I will be happy enough to pick up enough points to get us a european place, or to get some silverware - whether they are picked up against Man U or Burnley. Given what has been going on this past 4-5 seasons, some 'success' will suit me far more than 'nice' football.  

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

last season we actually didn't look like much of a 'team' when we where on the pitch. Player swill be clear on what is expected of them with a very clear game plan.

This next couple of seasons I will be happy enough to pick up enough points to get us a european place, or to get some silverware - whether they are picked up against Man U or Burnley. Given what has been going on this past 4-5 seasons, some 'success' will suit me far more than 'nice' football.  

We did against decent sides because the game plan was easy. Defend, sit in your banks of four and try and win a set piece.

When we had to try and play, we were all over the place. 

To win a cup or to qualify for Europe we will have to play decent football. Like last season, crap football will catch up with you. 

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7 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I do agree that a strong defense usually beats a strong offense, so there's wisdom in building a team from the back. On the other hand, I'm not a big fan of playing not to lose versus playing to win. My concern is that the former will become the latter.

I hope not many of us are happy just playing not to lose but I understand what you’re getting at, I’m hopeful that once he is happy with his defence he can look to play more expansive football. Having said that I thought that once Ancelotti sorted the defence out which he did we would play more attacking football, but we still played a lot of negative football. 

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10 hours ago, Bailey said:

We did against decent sides because the game plan was easy. Defend, sit in your banks of four and try and win a set piece.

When we had to try and play, we were all over the place. 

To win a cup or to qualify for Europe we will have to play decent football. Like last season, crap football will catch up with you. 

There is a difference between 'crap' football and 'effective' football. We obviously have have a decent base as a defensive unit, given the highlight of last year. So Benitez has a good starting point to work from in that front. He should be able to at least equal Ancelotti in performances against the big teams (although we will have to take the fact that fans will be allowed back in the ground next year - so I don't expect us 9or any other teams) to win nearly so many away games)

I fully agree we where shocking last year when we needed to play - it was as bad as anything I have seen, and not a great advert for Ancelotti as a 'coach' to be honest - we just looked so slow with everything, easy to defend against. I think Benitez will have more 'ideas' and structure to what he wants of us doing going forward - taking in to consideration the constraints or limitations of the player he will have at his disposal.  I think Ancelotti is just so use to having world class offensive players, who 'just play' that he seem to struggle with a group of offensive player that just need a little more direction and system as a team when in possession. (I may be too harsh as we did seem to have a lot of injuries that disrupted a consistent formation). Good man management, or just fielding your favourite players in the hope they will come back in to form seem to only go so far! I think Benitez will be more inclined to just bench those out of form or seen not putting the required minimum effort in. 

I will take entertaining football over effective football any day of the week, as long as it does bring the results needed with it, but over the next couple of season I will satisfied with improvement in the results department in the first instance. Bonus if entertaining as well. 

I know what you are saying about decent football tends to go hand in hand with winning football, in the upper echelons that's very true. But given the money spent we have been served up poor football and mid table results. I will take effective (even if a little dull at times) winning football for the next couple of seasons if it makes us more competitive. More flair can be added if we start rubbing shoulder in the top 6. 

Benitez has managed to bring success to teams in similar positions to us, so his football has been proven on a number of occasions to be 'effective' given the resources at his disposal. As he is now here, he is definitely worth getting behind and giving a fair crack at the whip over the next couple of seasons. 

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It will be very interesting to see the players Rafa is linked with.

Has he ever been at a club that really backed him with money?  I'm thinking Liverpool he was...... Some great signings.... Alonso, Torres, Maschereano...... Some crap ..... Aquilani.

He signed Koulibaily for Napoli.... £6.5m, Jorginho and dries mertens for about £8m apiece .....

 

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34 minutes ago, Tonsta said:

Maybe we will hear something  in 48 hours?

I think it is going to be a funny transfer market - We don't really yet know what the going rate for players is going to be. Might get to the last couple of week in August, as teams (including us) might be so desperate to move some players on - you will be able to get some good quality for free.

Have been, reading Barca have to get a fair few players off the books just to pay the free transfers they have bought in to the club. Definitely going to be a strange one. I don't think we know who is able to spend what. 

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2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

It will be very interesting to see the players Rafa is linked with.

Has he ever been at a club that really backed him with money?  I'm thinking Liverpool he was...... Some great signings.... Alonso, Torres, Maschereano...... Some crap ..... Aquilani.

He signed Koulibaily for Napoli.... £6.5m, Jorginho and dries mertens for about £8m apiece .....

 

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Very rare for managers to be involved in transfers in Italy. More likely the director of football picked them.

More miss than hit at Liverpool and Newcastle. Wouldn't include Alonso considering Rafa wanted rid of him. Didn't know how use a classy player and wanted him replaced with Barry. Better manager would have wanted both. 

He'd rather a hard worker play out of position like Kuyt than manage a better player to work harder.

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3 hours ago, RuffRob said:

There is a difference between 'crap' football and 'effective' football. We obviously have have a decent base as a defensive unit, given the highlight of last year. So Benitez has a good starting point to work from in that front. He should be able to at least equal Ancelotti in performances against the big teams (although we will have to take the fact that fans will be allowed back in the ground next year - so I don't expect us 9or any other teams) to win nearly so many away games)

I fully agree we where shocking last year when we needed to play - it was as bad as anything I have seen, and not a great advert for Ancelotti as a 'coach' to be honest - we just looked so slow with everything, easy to defend against. I think Benitez will have more 'ideas' and structure to what he wants of us doing going forward - taking in to consideration the constraints or limitations of the player he will have at his disposal.  I think Ancelotti is just so use to having world class offensive players, who 'just play' that he seem to struggle with a group of offensive player that just need a little more direction and system as a team when in possession. (I may be too harsh as we did seem to have a lot of injuries that disrupted a consistent formation). Good man management, or just fielding your favourite players in the hope they will come back in to form seem to only go so far! I think Benitez will be more inclined to just bench those out of form or seen not putting the required minimum effort in. 

I will take entertaining football over effective football any day of the week, as long as it does bring the results needed with it, but over the next couple of season I will satisfied with improvement in the results department in the first instance. Bonus if entertaining as well. 

I know what you are saying about decent football tends to go hand in hand with winning football, in the upper echelons that's very true. But given the money spent we have been served up poor football and mid table results. I will take effective (even if a little dull at times) winning football for the next couple of seasons if it makes us more competitive. More flair can be added if we start rubbing shoulder in the top 6. 

Benitez has managed to bring success to teams in similar positions to us, so his football has been proven on a number of occasions to be 'effective' given the resources at his disposal. As he is now here, he is definitely worth getting behind and giving a fair crack at the whip over the next couple of seasons. 

I do think there will be more structure in our attack under Benitez but that also stifles creativity. As an example, I don't really ever remember a Benitez side playing with width high up the pitch. I can see him playing with front three akin to that of Tuchel at Chelsea which is great at winning the ball back (because of the numbers in central positions) but will run into trouble against packed defences when they aren't able to stretch the game using the wing backs.

I really do not know what to have made of Ancellotti. I cannot describe how disappointed I am to have had one of the most heralded managers in the game come to the club and play some of the worst football I have seen. I really do not know what went on here during his time. I do think Benitez will be more adaptable, but don't forget he is known to rotate a lot too. I guess that will depend on how far we get in certain competitions though.

I do agree with your last three paragraphs although I won't be expecting Benitez flair any time soon!

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13 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Very rare for managers to be involved in transfers in Italy. More likely the director of football picked them.

More miss than hit at Liverpool and Newcastle. Wouldn't include Alonso considering Rafa wanted rid of him. Didn't know how use a classy player and wanted him replaced with Barry. Better manager would have wanted both. 

He'd rather a hard worker play out of position like Kuyt than manage a better player to work harder.

The Barry / Alonso thing is a weird one.

It is a bit unclear about exactly what he wanted but if he wanted Alonso and Barry together it would have been a good move (albeit slow!). Somehow that ended up as pissing off Alonso, him leaving and Barry not joining. They then signed Aquilani to replace him which didn't work, albeit it sounds like he was unlucky with injuries.

My biggest concern with Rafa is that whilst he has signed some good players in his time, he has also bought a lot of very average players for decent enough money. I hope that Brands has more control however given that Benitez is clearly Mohsiri's man you could just see him going over the head of Brands and sanctioning the players Benitez wants.

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11 hours ago, Bailey said:

The Barry / Alonso thing is a weird one.

It is a bit unclear about exactly what he wanted but if he wanted Alonso and Barry together it would have been a good move (albeit slow!). Somehow that ended up as pissing off Alonso, him leaving and Barry not joining. They then signed Aquilani to replace him which didn't work, albeit it sounds like he was unlucky with injuries.

My biggest concern with Rafa is that whilst he has signed some good players in his time, he has also bought a lot of very average players for decent enough money. I hope that Brands has more control however given that Benitez is clearly Mohsiri's man you could just see him going over the head of Brands and sanctioning the players Benitez wants.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/jamie-carragher-xabi-alonso-left-liverpool-real-madrid-rafa-benitez-a7624431.html%3famp

Rafa's intention was to off-load Xabi for £30million and buy Barry for half that price. The appeal of Barry was that he was English and could play in two or three positions. But, believe it or not, only Juventus and Arsenal were keen to take Xabi.

“When it became clear those interested in Xabi were only prepared to pay £15m — and Aston Villa wanted £30m for Barry — the club pulled the plug.”

 

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17 hours ago, pete0 said:

Very rare for managers to be involved in transfers in Italy. More likely the director of football picked them.

More miss than hit at Liverpool and Newcastle. Wouldn't include Alonso considering Rafa wanted rid of him. Didn't know how use a classy player and wanted him replaced with Barry. Better manager would have wanted both. 

He'd rather a hard worker play out of position like Kuyt than manage a better player to work harder.

Benitez apparently wanted to sell Alonso because he wanted to be with his wife for the birth of their child...... Which is pretty consistent with how many view his man management.  Pretty appalling btw but non the less it's a far cry from the indulging managers we've had.

Barry was a very similar player to Alonso - not as good. So it was smart recruitment albeit it in an unsavoury manner. 

He was in charge of player recruitment at Napoli.... In fact at all his clubs he likes tight control of this.  He also bought Allan, Higuain and some other great signings.

I honestly think his abrasive but hard working style is needed here.  I really want him to work out because he is exactly what this club needs.  I sensed his aggitation at the circus when being rolled out as Everton manager....  I honestly think he is on the autistic spectrum, not severely but he has traits which point to his cold personality and obsessive nature.  

Players always try and work a new manager out.... There really is no point with this fella, he only cares about what happens on the pitch. I'm looking forward to it. Easy Touch FC no more. 

 

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56 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I honestly think his abrasive but hard working style is needed here.  I really want him to work out because he is exactly what this club needs. 

Players always try and work a new manager out.... There really is no point with this fella, he only cares about what happens on the pitch. I'm looking forward to it. Easy Touch FC no more. 

 

Totally agree with this - some kind of accountability has been long overdue. Really looking forward to seeing the dummies, in both senses, being spat out. 

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Benitez apparently wanted to sell Alonso because he wanted to be with his wife for the birth of their child...... Which is pretty consistent with how many view his man management.  Pretty appalling btw but non the less it's a far cry from the indulging managers we've had.

Barry was a very similar player to Alonso - not as good. So it was smart recruitment albeit it in an unsavoury manner. 

He was in charge of player recruitment at Napoli.... In fact at all his clubs he likes tight control of this.  He also bought Allan, Higuain and some other great signings.

I honestly think his abrasive but hard working style is needed here.  I really want him to work out because he is exactly what this club needs.  I sensed his aggitation at the circus when being rolled out as Everton manager....  I honestly think he is on the autistic spectrum, not severely but he has traits which point to his cold personality and obsessive nature.  

Players always try and work a new manager out.... There really is no point with this fella, he only cares about what happens on the pitch. I'm looking forward to it. Easy Touch FC no more. 

 

Interesting to see how this jives with Brands. Not disagreeing with your observation at all, just will be interesting to see how this evolves.

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4 hours ago, Goodison Glory said:

Interesting to see how this jives with Brands. Not disagreeing with your observation at all, just will be interesting to see how this evolves.

Personally I don’t think it matters what Brands might think about Benitez role on player recruitment. 

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The more I think about this appointment (now I have calmed down), the more it makes sense. What we have had before are a series of managers all with their own style of play needing different players.

With Benitez we have some consistency in that like Carlo he is a defensive minded coach, their teams play a similar style of football requiring similar types of players, so no need for a massive squad over hall.

Both managers have had success, and managed large clubs, and big name players. Yes Carlo has had way more success, but both are similar in the way their teams operate.

Benitez is a workaholic and wont be tempted away if a bigger club come calling. He will install discipline and demand the best out of the players. Tactically he is no mug, and knows how to get results.

The only concern I have is over transfers, but I think that will of been sorted out before he signed. 

I am more optimistic now that I was when Carlo left, and if I am honest more optimistic now than I was under the last few months under Carlo. 

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4 minutes ago, Aidan said:

I would have said the exact same about Carlo when he signed.

I think its less likely as Benitez has family with deep roots in the area, Carlo had nothing to tie him to the club, or the area.

Plus Benitez has walked through a shit storm to take this job, he really must want to manage us.

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