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11 hours ago, London Blue said:

The more I think about this appointment (now I have calmed down), the more it makes sense. What we have had before are a series of managers all with their own style of play needing different players.

With Benitez we have some consistency in that like Carlo he is a defensive minded coach, their teams play a similar style of football requiring similar types of players, so no need for a massive squad over hall.

Both managers have had success, and managed large clubs, and big name players. Yes Carlo has had way more success, but both are similar in the way their teams operate.

Benitez is a workaholic and wont be tempted away if a bigger club come calling. He will install discipline and demand the best out of the players. Tactically he is no mug, and knows how to get results.

The only concern I have is over transfers, but I think that will of been sorted out before he signed. 

I am more optimistic now that I was when Carlo left, and if I am honest more optimistic now than I was under the last few months under Carlo. 

That and the football might not be entertaining enough especially if results don’t come quickly. Towards the end of last season the only reason the fans didn’t turn was because he was ‘Ancelotti’. Rafa I worry won’t have that luxury.

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22 minutes ago, barryj said:

That and the football might not be entertaining enough especially if results don’t come quickly. Towards the end of last season the only reason the fans didn’t turn was because he was ‘Ancelotti’. Rafa I worry won’t have that luxury.

That's the risk, and a motivating factor to succeed. 

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Anyone not thought that Rafa probably knows Everton's problems more than most?

For one - he spent a good chunk of time watching us shit the bed against his side.... He will be well aware as to what our weaknesses have been.... Not interns of players but culturally.

He's a footy bore, in the sense that he watches endless football matches.  By all accounts he interviewed superbly - this will be due to him knowing far more about us than other managers.

He will be desperate to succeed here, his work life balance will be optimum in the sense he can go home after training, less energy spent commuting etc. 

Im really optimistic

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7 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Anyone not thought that Rafa probably knows Everton's problems more than most?

For one - he spent a good chunk of time watching us shit the bed against his side.... He will be well aware as to what our weaknesses have been.... Not interns of players but culturally.

He's a footy bore, in the sense that he watches endless football matches.  By all accounts he interviewed superbly - this will be due to him knowing far more about us than other managers.

He will be desperate to succeed here, his work life balance will be optimum in the sense he can go home after training, less energy spent commuting etc. 

Im really optimistic

me too - now got my head around him being here. There has be to much crap getting people down this past 12-18months, so not going to let it get me down that the fact that my own personal choice didn't get the job. It is what it is now. 

For me personally, life's to short to be mopping around and being pissed off about something that MIGHT turn out to be shit. New broom sweeps clean and all that - it could be just as likely it turn out great, so I may as well be optimistic about the coming change. So I have just been dwelling on the positives since the appointment. 

Plenty of time to be pissed off if it actually turns to shit.

 

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We have to afford him the same respect and opportunities as we have the managers who came before him, and if he doesn’t succeed he will go the same way as others that seems to be a guarantee with this board. I wanted him after Koeman was sacked he wasn’t my first choice this time round I put him at number 2 of 5 choices. I’ve got a good feeling about this appointment, not because the football will be attacking but we are use to that anyway, more because like Moyes he will set boundaries and won’t suffer fools, he should get us going in the right direction on and off the pitch. And if not adios amigo 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can anyone just summarise it? Because I won't be watching or reading any of his interviews

For one, he backtracked on what he said he meant by “small club.” Instead of saying it was that we had dwindling squad numbers as he claimed before (which we all knew was horseshit anyway), he turned it into “it’s all about context. I’m Everton manager now and I will fight for the club. I’m happy to see the club getting bigger and bigger.”

Color me unconvinced of anything he says.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can anyone just summarise it? Because I won't be watching or reading any of his interviews

other than answering the now boring questions about ex Liverpool manager being at Everton blah blah. He basically says - most important this is developing a winning mentality at the club, no matter what teams we play. I will take giving everything and 'winning' more are the most important thing at the moment, so will happily buy into that. 

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7 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

I liked what he said about talking with senior players to understand what they thought was missing and to instilling a winning mentality. I reckon he was told that basically Carlo had given up after Christmas, so they had no motivation.

That was the highlight for me as well. As everyone is suggesting these pressers are largely useless because all experienced managers know the playbook but I found that part very interesting. A lot of reading between the lines but it's clear Carlo's style may not have fit the players we have. We felt that as fans at times but interesting to 'hear' it from Rafa. 

Also on the James/Seamus comments, I don't think there is anything in that at all. He said he didnt want to talk about individual players and he didn't really talk about Seamus other than to say his role as captain is important. Nothing about his impact on the pitch. 

Generally speaking I left with a good feeling. My concern has been and will continue to be the squad. It's far more shambolic than the manager. We need to get rid of 5-6 and bring in 2-3. 

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On 08/07/2021 at 05:18, Makis said:

Barca also need to resign Messi. They are in deep trouble at the moment.

Sorted that with 5(!!!) year contract.

 

Reminds me of the 12 year deal Chicago Blackhawks gave to Marion Hossa when he was like 32 and had 3 years left.

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can anyone just summarise it? Because I won't be watching or reading any of his interviews

BBC seems to of covered it, see below. My main takes are:

He is going to throw himself into the job. He is a fighter who fights for the club he is at.

He has not had time to assess the squad, does not want to comment on individuals.

He wants to win first, pretty football is secondary, clearly European football in the minimum expectation.

Happy to work with Brands.

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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on Seamus Coleman: "I have been talking with him many times. He is an inspiration. He can be a key player. Can he be the captain? Yes, why not. We will see."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I think it is important now to talk about the team and ideas rather than individuals. Something is very simple but to play well. We have to create a team that is competitive, that fights for the shirt. It doesn't matter the name of the opponent. We have to find the way to win games, to play good football if it is possible. The fans want to see a side play well, but winning."

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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on Duncan Ferguson: "He is a legend and he will be an important part of my staff. He knows the players, the club and fans and can be an inspiration."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I was convinced when I decide to say yes it was a great opportunity. I want to win and to do well. We start with the first game and see what happens. It is to be ambitious and to do my best. I am sure we will do it."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I will tell you that I have conversations with senior players and they are ambitious. They realised something was missing and this is what we must find. It is a winning mentality from the first day to the last. They want to do well and to improve. It is a very good thing for me to have these platers to keep pushing and be an example."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on the response to his appointment: "To be fair the Evertonians around me are quite happy and very supportive and even the Liverpudlian's have accepted it's a chance for me to come back to the Premier League and compete for something. A lot of people are encouraging me to do well I'm happy with that."

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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on the England players, including Pickford: "I was asking them and how they feel and supporting them to the last minute. I think that they did great and it was a great achievement for England. It will be good for them now and good for them in the future."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I will tell you something not many people know, we went to supermarkets and restaurants and the fans were really good. The majority they were fine. You can see in Liverpool, which is my city. We have connections in the red side and blue side. The fans appreciate that we will be here working hard for the team and the club. Nobody will be taking about the past. I am thinking about the future."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on criticism from fans: "It is football and it is quite emotional. The only thing I can say is that I will fight for my team as I have at every place I have worked. It is a challenge and I want to do well and compete. I will be the first one there pushing and pushing."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on signing players: "The reality is that when you go to any club the manager has to work with a director of football and the board and you have financial restrictions. I am happy with the lads - they are training well. If we can add players that are good for us, that is the objective. We must improve the players we have. And we must manage the financial restrictions while still being ambitious."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on previous comments about the club while Liverpool boss: "It depends on the context. It was a long time ago and I was fighting for my club. That is what I am doing now. I will fight for Everton every single game and compete against anyone. I am pleased this club is getting bigger and bigger and we can challenge and compete."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez: "I know about the club, the tradition, the history, the mission of the owners and the fans behind the team. Anyone who knows the history will see it is easy. I am at home and I want to compete to challenge for whatever you can challenge. It is a great opportunity and a challenge for me."

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11 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

So we’re going to waste time assessing players that everyone knows aren’t good enough… hopefully that’s just politician bullshit and he already knows who he wants out the door. 

With Coleman I get the impression he was acknowledging that he is a great captain, and has been a great player, not saying he was the answer to our right back question.

I think part of the presentation he did to get the job would have included who needs replacing, he has already highlighted that things are missing from the team.

I expect their will be 3 or 4 transfers (if not a few more) in over the next couple of weeks.

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20 minutes ago, London Blue said:

With Coleman I get the impression he was acknowledging that he is a great captain, and has been a great player, not saying he was the answer to our right back question.

I think part of the presentation he did to get the job would have included who needs replacing, he has already highlighted that things are missing from the team.

I expect their will be 3 or 4 transfers (if not a few more) in over the next couple of weeks.

Coleman is completely irrelevant tbh. He’s not going anywhere, no one would have him and he’s good to have around the place as a back-up. My concern is that the true wastes of space we have are going to still be here and, to be honest, having to still watch some of this squad coupled with him as our manager will be hell for me. I desperately need us to have a good transfer window.

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2 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

I watched about 10 minutes of the press conference, it's not a dig at Rafa directly but it was filled with politician speak; we're going to give 110%, this is a massive club, the players will work hard etc.

Will judge him on the results we get, after being stung by Ancelotti (and to a lesser extent Koeman) I can't be arsed getting too attached to our management.

 

Spot on, I feel the same and add Martinez to those I was fooled by.

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1 hour ago, London Blue said:

BBC seems to of covered it, see below. My main takes are:

He is going to throw himself into the job. He is a fighter who fights for the club he is at.

He has not had time to assess the squad, does not want to comment on individuals.

He wants to win first, pretty football is secondary, clearly European football in the minimum expectation.

Happy to work with Brands.

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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on Seamus Coleman: "I have been talking with him many times. He is an inspiration. He can be a key player. Can he be the captain? Yes, why not. We will see."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I think it is important now to talk about the team and ideas rather than individuals. Something is very simple but to play well. We have to create a team that is competitive, that fights for the shirt. It doesn't matter the name of the opponent. We have to find the way to win games, to play good football if it is possible. The fans want to see a side play well, but winning."

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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on Duncan Ferguson: "He is a legend and he will be an important part of my staff. He knows the players, the club and fans and can be an inspiration."

     
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    Everton

    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I was convinced when I decide to say yes it was a great opportunity. I want to win and to do well. We start with the first game and see what happens. It is to be ambitious and to do my best. I am sure we will do it."

     
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    Everton

    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I will tell you that I have conversations with senior players and they are ambitious. They realised something was missing and this is what we must find. It is a winning mentality from the first day to the last. They want to do well and to improve. It is a very good thing for me to have these platers to keep pushing and be an example."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on the response to his appointment: "To be fair the Evertonians around me are quite happy and very supportive and even the Liverpudlian's have accepted it's a chance for me to come back to the Premier League and compete for something. A lot of people are encouraging me to do well I'm happy with that."

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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on the England players, including Pickford: "I was asking them and how they feel and supporting them to the last minute. I think that they did great and it was a great achievement for England. It will be good for them now and good for them in the future."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez: "I will tell you something not many people know, we went to supermarkets and restaurants and the fans were really good. The majority they were fine. You can see in Liverpool, which is my city. We have connections in the red side and blue side. The fans appreciate that we will be here working hard for the team and the club. Nobody will be taking about the past. I am thinking about the future."

     
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    Everton boss Rafa Benitez on criticism from fans: "It is football and it is quite emotional. The only thing I can say is that I will fight for my team as I have at every place I have worked. It is a challenge and I want to do well and compete. I will be the first one there pushing and pushing."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on signing players: "The reality is that when you go to any club the manager has to work with a director of football and the board and you have financial restrictions. I am happy with the lads - they are training well. If we can add players that are good for us, that is the objective. We must improve the players we have. And we must manage the financial restrictions while still being ambitious."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez on previous comments about the club while Liverpool boss: "It depends on the context. It was a long time ago and I was fighting for my club. That is what I am doing now. I will fight for Everton every single game and compete against anyone. I am pleased this club is getting bigger and bigger and we can challenge and compete."

     
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    Everton manager Rafa Benitez: "I know about the club, the tradition, the history, the mission of the owners and the fans behind the team. Anyone who knows the history will see it is easy. I am at home and I want to compete to challenge for whatever you can challenge. It is a great opportunity and a challenge for me."

Can you expand a bit on that? 

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Coleman is completely irrelevant tbh. He’s not going anywhere, no one would have him and he’s good to have around the place as a back-up. My concern is that the true wastes of space we have are going to still be here and, to be honest, having to still watch some of this squad coupled with him as our manager will be hell for me. I desperately need us to have a good transfer window.

Players like Delph whom I imagine is the main culprit will be tough to shift, (much like a shit stain) due to his high wages and him being crap.

Others like Bernard, will go. 

Siggy may go, but again is on high wages.

You are right though, another key transfer window.

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Can we just go back to the part where he said we were getting “bigger and bigger”? For a club whose most famous chant talks about knowing your history, and whose supporters pride ourselves on having been one of the biggest clubs in England for almost 150 years, that comment just feels all wrong. We’re not getting bigger-we’ve been big.

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12 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Can anyone just summarise it? Because I won't be watching or reading any of his interviews

Summary: "I will try."

In more detail: "I will try to do my best every single game, and I will try to compete against anyone... we will try to be sure that we can do better... hopefully everyone will be happy."

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I thought he was spot on.

Never tried to take easy way out when asked about small club comments.  Basically it's a case of "yeah I said them and I'll say the same type of things about other clubs as an Everton manager.

Good!!! 

FFS so many people look for offense from him.  We had David Moyes earning the 4th highest wages in world football and said "7th place is a good for a club like Everton" or something to those words.  ...... 

I couldn't give a shit if he has blue Christmas trees, whether he knows about Dixie Dean or whatever else some managers could try and use as a means of winning over some fans.  If he understands our club is saddled with half arsed merchants and knows how to sort it out then that's all I care about. 

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4 hours ago, pete0 said:

Find it weird that more fans are getting behind Rafa than they did Alladyce, they even took more issue with Sammy Lee. Both play negative football but at least the latter builds good foundations and can get teams to play.

I didn’t until I saw Sam pick a team and them,….. err stand on the pitch. That did it for me 😉

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5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

I thought he was spot on.

Never tried to take easy way out when asked about small club comments.  Basically it's a case of "yeah I said them and I'll say the same type of things about other clubs as an Everton manager.

Good!!! 

FFS so many people look for offense from him.  We had David Moyes earning the 4th highest wages in world football and said "7th place is a good for a club like Everton" or something to those words.  ...... 

I couldn't give a shit if he has blue Christmas trees, whether he knows about Dixie Dean or whatever else some managers could try and use as a means of winning over some fans.  If he understands our club is saddled with half arsed merchants and knows how to sort it out then that's all I care about. 

Maybe Moyes was right, plenty of managers have come in since he left on much more money and with bigger budgets and yet we’ve gone down hill since then 🤷🏻‍♂️

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1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Maybe Moyes was right, plenty of managers have come in since he left on much more money and with bigger budgets and yet we’ve gone down hill since then 🤷🏻‍♂️

Earning the 4th highest wages in football - talking about penknives to gunfights, one of the worst records away at the top 4 and then saying 7th place is good for a club like Everton?

That very club who made him extremely rich...... No. Complete and utter bollocks from a bloke who is one of the reasons mediocrity has become expected at the club. 

I will concede he did a good job with the transfers etc but his methods were Southgate esque.

Bottled nearly every big game we had. 

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7 hours ago, pete0 said:

Find it weird that more fans are getting behind Rafa than they did Alladyce, they even took more issue with Sammy Lee. Both play negative football but at least the latter builds good foundations and can get teams to play.

What's weird is we hired Allardyce - a man sacked from the England job after one fucking game for taking a bung.

A man who puts money above anything else. 

A greedy, windup merchant with no shame who crawls out from his rock every sacking season to fatten his already bulging bank account.  Fucked off from West Brom after taking them down 

Absolute twat of a man who isn't fit to lace Rafas shoes.  Rafa stayed and took Newcastle back up after joining them in a precarious position. 

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I thought the interview was solid. Though like others words are just words at this stage. You can certainly screw up an interview but not really get any credit as it's expected you will say the right things.

what was most telling for me was the high standards he will have for himself.

I also loved the way he said he knows something is missing and so did the senior players - he didn't say it directly but heart and fight seemed to be on his mind.

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18 hours ago, MikeO said:

Maybe because Allardyce is an obnoxious personality who's never won a thing in his life and Benitez is a decent human being who has many domestic and European trophies to his name?

Just maybe.

I wouldn't say Benetiz is any less obnoxious. 

Most his success came from teams already built for him, he's left worse sides than he started with at Newcastle and Liverpool.

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20 hours ago, MikeO said:

Maybe because Allardyce is an obnoxious personality who's never won a thing in his life and Benitez is a decent human being who has many domestic and European trophies to his name?

Just maybe.

agree totally, Benitez is superior to Allardyce in any every department mention. 

I am convinced that Benitez will fight tooth and nail for Everton now he is here. You can tell he really wanted this job, despite some of the negativity that's thrown his way. He definitely has a strong affinity with the people of Merseyside, which he has made his home. Think he has be very brave taking it to be honest, and has definitely put himself up for close scrutiny.

Having read up on him in a lot more detail this past few weeks, he does seen a decent, honest and hardworking fella, so I wish him nothing but the best now. 

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20 hours ago, pete0 said:

I wouldn't say Benetiz is any less obnoxious. 

Most his success came from teams already built for him, he's left worse sides than he started with at Newcastle and Liverpool.

There is no manager on the planet anywhere remotely as obnoxious as Allardyce.

One mean spirited, greedy, aloof, arrogant upstart. Doesn't give a fuck about anyone other than himself and his pockets 

Rafa isn't about making friends, but you only need to look at the charitable work he has done on Merseyside and Tyneside.  Once you do you will realise you are a million miles off. The Geordies loved him not just for the job he did. 

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9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

There is no manager on the planet anywhere remotely as obnoxious as Allardyce.

One mean spirited, greedy, aloof, arrogant upstart. Doesn't give a fuck about anyone other than himself and his pockets 

Rafa isn't about making friends, but you only need to look at the charitable work he has done on Merseyside and Tyneside.  Once you do you will realise you are a million miles off. The Geordies loved him not just for the job he did. 

His support to the 96 charity is great, but I wouldn't be surprised if Alladyce gives to charity either. 

His actions/attitude at Liverpool with the small club comments and the treatment of Alonso are worse than anything Alladyce done whilst he was here.

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31 minutes ago, pete0 said:

His support to the 96 charity is great, but I wouldn't be surprised if Alladyce gives to charity either. 

His actions/attitude at Liverpool with the small club comments and the treatment of Alonso are worse than anything Alladyce done whilst he was here.

I don't see the problem with the small club comments.  He was managing Liverpool and we parked the bus. It was fighting talk.

Ferguson did stuff like this all the time 

The Alonso piece .... It's hardly like taking a bung and ridiculing a fellow managers speech impediment is it?

Give him more than 6 months here and he would have done more 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

His support to the 96 charity is great, but I wouldn't be surprised if Alladyce gives to charity either. 

His actions/attitude at Liverpool with the small club comments and the treatment of Alonso are worse than anything Alladyce done whilst he was here.

I k ow your a fan,… don’t understand why… but that’s your prerogative and I respect that mate.

But a throw away comment and standing his ground with a player isn’t in any way comparable to cheating mate. 

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There isn't a lot you can work out from these training games but in both of them we have seen some deep third man runs leaving an easy through ball. Those runs are some of the most difficult to defend so I am hoping that continues as the quality of the games increases!

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On 15/07/2021 at 21:25, Hafnia said:

Earning the 4th highest wages in football - talking about penknives to gunfights, one of the worst records away at the top 4 and then saying 7th place is good for a club like Everton?

That very club who made him extremely rich...... No. Complete and utter bollocks from a bloke who is one of the reasons mediocrity has become expected at the club. 

I will concede he did a good job with the transfers etc but his methods were Southgate esque.

Bottled nearly every big game we had. 

Why is his wage even remotely relevant , unless of course you were expecting him to buy the players and pay their wages out of his own pocket? 

Out of interest can you name any Everton manager who has done better or even equalled him since he left?
 

 

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3 hours ago, Bailey said:

There isn't a lot you can work out from these training games but in both of them we have seen some deep third man runs leaving an easy through ball. Those runs are some of the most difficult to defend so I am hoping that continues as the quality of the games increases!

And if you can get James on the ball to play these easy through balls I’d expect them to turn into many many goals. 

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4 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Why is his wage even remotely relevant , unless of course you were expecting him to buy the players and pay their wages out of his own pocket? 

Out of interest can you name any Everton manager who has done better or even equalled him since he left?
 

 

Depends how you look at it.  He spent 10 years here to win fuck all, the rest achieved that in a shorter timeframe.

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10 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Depends how you look at it.  He spent 10 years here to win fuck all, the rest achieved that in a shorter timeframe.

So no then!

I know you won’t budge on this but Moyes inherited an ageing side that was constantly fighting relegation and he transformed it into a young side constantly challenging for Europe and did it on a shoestring budget. Yes he failed to break through that perceived glass ceiling but I’m still convinced he would have smashed through it if he had the money to go and get someone like Lukaku

Everton under Moyes were widely regarded as the best of the rest every manager we have had since then has failed to get anywhere near that standard despite all being given a ton of money to throw at it 🤷🏻‍♂️

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33 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

So no then!

I know you won’t budge on this but Moyes inherited an ageing side that was constantly fighting relegation and he transformed it into a young side constantly challenging for Europe and did it on a shoestring budget. Yes he failed to break through that perceived glass ceiling but I’m still convinced he would have smashed through it if he had the money to go and get someone like Lukaku

Everton under Moyes were widely regarded as the best of the rest every manager we have had since then has failed to get anywhere near that standard despite all being given a ton of money to throw at it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Moyes had his chance to get a Lukaku when he spent big on Beatie, Johnson, and Yakubu. Moyes simply didn't know how to use strikers. 

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15 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

All three had varying degrees of success none were anywhere near Lukaku level at any point in their careers

They were all more successful before joining Everton. Doesn't matter how good Lukaku is as Moyes would have had him running the channels. I missed out Saha and Rooney, they were both better than Lukaku yet didn't close to him goal scoring wise. 

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54 minutes ago, pete0 said:

They were all more successful before joining Everton. Doesn't matter how good Lukaku is as Moyes would have had him running the channels. I missed out Saha and Rooney, they were both better than Lukaku yet didn't close to him goal scoring wise. 

Not really. James Beattie was a gamble that never really paid off, his career was already going down hill way before we signed him. He was wasting away on Southampton’s bench and the Southampton fans I knew at the time couldn’t believe they managed to get £6m for him. Moyes managed to revive his career at Everton and he had a great season in 2005/06 that saw him only just miss out on the World Cup squad

AJ made his name at Palace by winning and scoring penalties but as soon as he signed for us the Refs had his card marked and he couldn’t buy a pen, some of the decisions were ludicrous against him and he could have been decapitated on the penalty spot and still not got one. But his record of scoring from open play improved and his form for us got him into the England squad regularly for the only time in his career. He only moves on, for a profit, because he was getting forced out wide to accommodate Yakubu

The Yak was a journeyman who did at Everton exactly what he did at every other club he played for, banged goals in for fun in his first season then couldn’t be arsed abs became a waste of space . But guess who he played for when he recorded the most goals he ever got in a season playing in England (21) ? Yep Everton

Anyway we are hijacking the thread to go over old ground so I will leave it there

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3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

So no then!

I know you won’t budge on this but Moyes inherited an ageing side that was constantly fighting relegation and he transformed it into a young side constantly challenging for Europe and did it on a shoestring budget. Yes he failed to break through that perceived glass ceiling but I’m still convinced he would have smashed through it if he had the money to go and get someone like Lukaku

Everton under Moyes were widely regarded as the best of the rest every manager we have had since then has failed to get anywhere near that standard despite all being given a ton of money to throw at it 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

Moyes is seen as a manager who did a decent enough job and got a long stint because he got us to an average league finish of 6/7 for a few years.

I would argue he did well despite a low transfer budget but would also argue his wage budget enabled him to keep players who would leave lesser clubs.

The long and short of it is that he pretty much earned £30m for his time here to keep us in the league.  A frustrating manager but decent fella.

 

All very much meh for me.  Represents a very frustrating time as an Everton fan where he combined with a chairman specialising in mediocrity and poor decision making. 

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Jeez Haf your like a dog with a bone, just won't let go. The Moyes period has been the best period we've had since the eighties but you still manage to Slag him off and somehow describe it as the worst period in our History.

I feel sorry for Rafa, if he doesn't win us two Cups and entry into Europe your going to tear him to pieces.

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3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Not really. James Beattie was a gamble that never really paid off, his career was already going down hill way before we signed him. He was wasting away on Southampton’s bench and the Southampton fans I knew at the time couldn’t believe they managed to get £6m for him. Moyes managed to revive his career at Everton and he had a great season in 2005/06 that saw him only just miss out on the World Cup squad. 

AJ made his name at Palace by winning and scoring penalties but as soon as he signed for us the Refs had his card marked and he couldn’t buy a pen, some of the decisions were ludicrous against him and he could have been decapitated on the penalty spot and still not got one. But his record of scoring from open play improved and his form for us got him into the England squad regularly for the only time in his career. He only moves on, for a profit, because he was getting forced out wide to accommodate Yakubu

The Yak was a journeyman who did at Everton exactly what he did at every other club he played for, banged goals in for fun in his first season then couldn’t be arsed abs became a waste of space . But guess who he played for when he recorded the most goals he ever got in a season playing in England (21) ? Yep Everton

Anyway we are hijacking the thread to go over old ground so I will leave it there

He got 23 and 14 goals in the two seasons before signing for us. Top English scorer over the period or thereabouts. We broke our record fee to bring him, and Moyes ruined him. Barely got in double figures for us, never looked close to matching his soton record. He had a very respectful goal every 214 minutes at Soton (skewed by his early years so it's better than that if you discount his early years), compared to every 340 minutes under Moyes.

How can you win a pen when your never in the box? He weren't forced out wide, Moyes liked his players to work hard and defend, he didn't like a striker to keep up top in the goal scoring positions.

In season. How many in the league? How many after Christmas? Embarrassing when people include cup goals.

Did Moyes do any wrong in your eyes?

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

Jeez Haf your like a dog with a bone, just won't let go. The Moyes period has been the best period we've had since the eighties but you still manage to Slag him off and somehow describe it as the worst period in our History.

I feel sorry for Rafa, if he doesn't win us two Cups and entry into Europe your going to tear him to pieces.

Did I describe it as the worst period in our history? No.  That belongs to the Walter Smith pembridge, gemmil, gazza, Mark Hughes shite 

Which is why Moyes impact felt more than it actually was. 

Finishing at an average 7th spot and describing it as a good period is why the club has waited 25 years for a trophy.  

It's the pinnacle of accepting mediocrity. 

 

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