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With not much hope of anything happening transfer wise and going by Rafas past exploits, how long before Rafa is infront of the camera blaming lack of funds, the board etc after a poor run of results?

(Nothing to do with today's friendly, been pondering this for a bit of time)

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2 minutes ago, Newty82 said:

With not much hope of anything happening transfer wise and going by Rafas past exploits, how long before Rafa is infront of the camera blaming lack of funds, the board etc after a poor run of results?

(Nothing to do with today's friendly, been pondering this for a bit of time)

I said he will be sacked before the end of the campaign.  His defense first football will be toxic and hard man Rafa Will wear thin with the players.  Goodison will be a cauldron of negativity.  I expect moshiri out banners as well.

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16 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

I said he will be sacked before the end of the campaign.  His defense first football will be toxic and hard man Rafa Will wear thin with the players.  Goodison will be a cauldron of negativity.  I expect moshiri out banners as well.

I think the banners should say...

Moshiri concentrate on the business side. Leave the footy alone. Thanks.

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34 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

I said he will be sacked before the end of the campaign.  His defense first football will be toxic and hard man Rafa Will wear thin with the players.  Goodison will be a cauldron of negativity.  I expect moshiri out banners as well.

If that’s defensive football, then Carlo won’t last seconds at Real with his football.

Im going to predict that many will change their minds within the first few months. 
 

If I’m wrong…. Then I’ll stick to my day job 😉

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8 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Just think it's pre-season, as soon as we go 1-0 down to Southampton inside the first 10 minutes it's going to absolutely go off. 

I thought that the toxicity when Martinez was on his last legs was bad, but this is going to take it to a whole new level. 

Honestly, really wouldn't be surprised to see him walk/sacked as early as October, just because of how much of a clusterfuck it's going to be.

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I think there's a few people on here who need to take a good look at themselves. This was a pre season friendly away to a decent Man utd side. Whereas we had half of our side missing. 

Its basically a practise match with the chance to see new players, and to see how they play in different positions and in different systems. I think you should put the knives away for the time being and see how it goes.

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10 minutes ago, Bill said:

I think there's a few people on here who need to take a good look at themselves. This was a pre season friendly away to a decent Man utd side. Whereas we had half of our side missing. 

Its basically a practise match with the chance to see new players, and to see how they play in different positions and in different systems. I think you should put the knives away for the time being and see how it goes.

I don't agree about the pre-season comments. Results clearly bare no importance but performances do. This is where you get to work on those things that you are trying to achieve in the season. Today was the final tune-up and we started with 10 of what I expect to be our starting 11 for the weekend. 

Given everything we know about Benitez are you expecting much to change in respect of our system at the weekend, because I am not.

There will definitely be a settling in period and the players will sharpen up as the season goes on but what we saw in that first half will be a lot of what we can expect to see against Southampton. 

We will improve though, and I expect a step forward ahead of that game but if anyone is expecting a massive change in the next 7 days they probably need to put down whatever it is they are smoking. I agree that it certainly isn't time to be writing the season off yet!

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4 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Is it unthinkable that we'd lose to Soton?

It looks like they have had a really disappointing summer and having lost their star striker, I think their star midfielder is also going to be out. 

I can see them struggling again this season unless something changes before the end of the window.

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1 hour ago, Newty82 said:

I think the banners should say...

Moshiri concentrate on the business side. Leave the footy alone. Thanks.

I agree but I think Moshiri and Usmanov can’t do that, they seem to have this the belief in themselves when it comes to all things football and are completely blinkered and can’t accept that most of the failings in the last 5 years are down to them. 

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Just now, Palfy said:

I agree but I think Moshiri and Usmanov can’t do that, they seem to have this the belief in themselves when it comes to all things football and are completely blinkered and can’t accept that most of the failings in the last 5 years are down to them. 

He will build the stadium and everyone will declare him a savior.  I’d rather play in a shed and win stuff than play in the thunder dome and be bottom half.

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38 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

He will build the stadium and everyone will declare him a savior.  I’d rather play in a shed and win stuff than play in the thunder dome and be bottom half.

I genuinely think that once the stadium is built they will sell and cash in, well here’s hoping 🤞 

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

Personally I don’t see us losing or conceding to Southampton, and If the unthinkable happens I won’t be calling for Benitez head after one game. 

 

1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Is it unthinkable that we'd lose to Soton?

It’s not unthinkable, I’d rather not, but it may happen, I certainly won’t be calling for Benitez out after 1 game, surely we need to give him time to get the squad settled, we’ve had a shit storm of a summer and a bit of patience is needed.

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7 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

 

It’s not unthinkable, I’d rather not, but it may happen, I certainly won’t be calling for Benitez out after 1 game, surely we need to give him time to get the squad settled, we’ve had a shit storm of a summer and a bit of patience is needed.

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57 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

He will build the stadium and everyone will declare him a savior.  I’d rather play in a shed and win stuff than play in the thunder dome and be bottom half.

We've had 25 years of playing in a shed and won nothing.  So why is moving to a stadium going to be a negative. 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

I don't agree about the pre-season comments. Results clearly bare no importance but performances do. This is where you get to work on those things that you are trying to achieve in the season. Today was the final tune-up and we started with 10 of what I expect to be our starting 11 for the weekend. 

Given everything we know about Benitez are you expecting much to change in respect of our system at the weekend, because I am not.

There will definitely be a settling in period and the players will sharpen up as the season goes on but what we saw in that first half will be a lot of what we can expect to see against Southampton. 

We will improve though, and I expect a step forward ahead of that game but if anyone is expecting a massive change in the next 7 days they probably need to put down whatever it is they are smoking. I agree that it certainly isn't time to be writing the season off yet!

Which one of Richarlison and DCL would you drop?

Performance was miles better than the result today. A gift for the first, an absolute giveaway for the second. 
Quality third. 
Fourth… we’ll big tall Mina, enough said I think.

We attacked more today than we did the whole of last season didn’t we? ( in any single match I mean) Is that fair? 
 

People keep saying that Benetez is a really defensive coach, yet so far we haven’t saw that in any of the friendlies. Is this because he hasn’t really taken control yet…. But when he does it’s going to change?

Sorry Bailey, I’ve quoted you due to the first couple of points… then gone off on a tangent haha. Not targeted at you, but asking questions of the handful of real Rafa haters. 
Again not saying they are wrong, just that I aren’t noticing this whole Rafa thing yet. All I can see is slight steps forward… after only a few weeks, and a few friendlys.

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41 minutes ago, Shukes said:

Given everything we know about Benitez are you expecting much to change in respect of our system at the weekend, because I am not.

Do you want him to change the system and tactics because I don’t, he’s trying to get us to play by going forward or would you rather he had us playing across the line then backwards as Ancelotti had us doing, what needs changing is some of the players not the system or tactics.  

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It's going to be painful and hard to watch, and as much as I wish he'd fuck off right now it does us no favours to turn on him at the Southampton game.

Do I think some will? Yes, but I won't be one of them. We just need to roll with things for a bit and get through it. But anyone hoping for a decent season is kidding themselves. If we finish above 12th it'll be a good season (unless we miraculously make some quality signings before the window closes).

I'm feeling pretty pessimistic about this season (we've signed one player as a starter than should, at best, be a squad player, one punt in Gray and a back up goalkeeper), but we've just got to wait and see.

I am also very drunk.

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Carlo was going to be given three seasons to get things right by most fans.

Rafa…. You get three matches.

Interested to know: are people blaming Rafa for not getting signings in, or are we blaming the club?

If we fee it’s the club, will these same people be blaming Rafa and asking for his head? 
 

We’ve gotten so used to suffering that reading through these threads feels suicidal at times. A lot of us are really down on the club at the moment. There are a few positives that we can cling to at the moment guys, and we still have time to bring a few more bodies in. This is still Everton! 

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15 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

He will build the stadium and everyone will declare him a savior.  I’d rather play in a shed and win stuff than play in the thunder dome and be bottom half.

For most of my life we have played in a shed and been bottom half. At least they are fixing one of the two. 😂

I absolutely adore the shed though. 

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9 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

I would hope that the thinking Evertonians give our new manager a chance. He's inherited a pretty shit scene to work with. Let's see what happens when the season has kicked off and the transfer window is closed.

I actually feel a bit sorry for Rafa if this is all we are going to give him.

Of all the manager post Martinez it’s looking like he’s been given the least support. 

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51 minutes ago, Btay said:

I actually feel a bit sorry for Rafa if this is all we are going to give him.

Of all the manager post Martinez it’s looking like he’s been given the least support. 

And he's the one that'll be given the least amount of leeway by fans. The whole situation makes no sense and, for me, shows Moshiri hasn't got a scooby doo what he's doing.

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13 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

And he's the one that'll be given the least amount of leeway by fans. The whole situation makes no sense and, for me, shows Moshiri hasn't got a scooby doo what he's doing.

Yep. I also believe Rafa has put the most on the line with reputation.

Maybe they new they would be skint this season and they know the fans would turn on Rafa before them…?

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Maybe during the fifty interviews he had with the club they told him there wouldn’t be much money to spend and he reiterated to them how much of a great coach and teacher he is and would improve the players we already have. Maybe. 
 

I doubt they would have promised plenty to spend and then not follow through. 

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They wouldn’t have promised what they didn’t have, FFP seems to have put the brakes on spending this season which isn’t a bad thing it’s about time that we took stock of our position with a manager who will be honest with his appraisal of were this current team can go and what’s required in the future. They would have told him what you don’t want you can use to improve, hence James and Delph being told they have no future in his team he can see a fair bit of money there that he believes he can use more wisely to improve the team, I can see why this isn’t going down to well with many believers thinking James is one of our if not best players, kudos to Benitez the easiest thing for him to do to engross himself with Evertonian’s would be to blow smoke up James arse, but thank goodness he’s not like that we’ve had our fair share of weak management.  

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23 hours ago, Shukes said:

Which one of Richarlison and DCL would you drop?

Performance was miles better than the result today. A gift for the first, an absolute giveaway for the second. 
Quality third. 
Fourth… we’ll big tall Mina, enough said I think.

We attacked more today than we did the whole of last season didn’t we? ( in any single match I mean) Is that fair? 
 

People keep saying that Benetez is a really defensive coach, yet so far we haven’t saw that in any of the friendlies. Is this because he hasn’t really taken control yet…. But when he does it’s going to change?

Sorry Bailey, I’ve quoted you due to the first couple of points… then gone off on a tangent haha. Not targeted at you, but asking questions of the handful of real Rafa haters. 
Again not saying they are wrong, just that I aren’t noticing this whole Rafa thing yet. All I can see is slight steps forward… after only a few weeks, and a few friendlys.

I doubt we will see Richarlison for a good 3 weeks so it will be him! Hopefully Dom's injury clears up but he might not even start without the preseason. I doubt he will play 90 even if he does.

I do think we have set up defensively. We sat very deep in that first half (and in the first pre-season game). Second half has been better in both games though. We are also relying a lot on direct balls forward which is more consistent with a team sitting deeper, sacrificing possession and playing defensively before hitting on the break.

I would say that the counter attacking threat has been the biggest difference so far. We are lots livelier when we break forward. It is much more consistent too. How that pans out against teams that sit back against us, I don't know because all 3 sides that we have played have had a go. I don't see too many other differences at this stage though. 

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I think that Rafa was made fully aware of the limited resources he would have, and I reckon Rafa said that was fine and he already had targets sorted. 

I also think that FFP is only part of the story for bigger all money these year. The other part will be that the club is trying to sort the finances out of course, but also I reckon that in private they think relegation could be a possibility this season if it all goes pear shaped with Rafa and general poor management at the club.

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28 minutes ago, badaids said:

also I reckon that in private they think relegation could be a possibility this season if it all goes pear shaped with Rafa and general poor management at the club.

Don’t be soft, that really is seeing things half glass empty

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On 07/08/2021 at 13:42, Shukes said:

We attacked more today than we did the whole of last season didn’t we? ( in any single match I mean) Is that fair? 

Then you must have forgotten our opening match of last season, which was one of the best games we've played in years.

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19 hours ago, Gwlad all over said:

I would hope that the thinking Evertonians give our new manager a chance. He's inherited a pretty shit scene to work with. Let's see what happens when the season has kicked off and the transfer window is closed.

This particular thinking Evertonian has written off this season. Financially, we're waiting for contracts on expensive and half-hearted players to expire next summer. Managerially, we're hoping time will suddenly jump back 15 years and Benitez will possibly become a decent manager. In ten months' time, I expect the words "new broom" to be heard often. I hope we finish in the top half, but my gut tells me that's asking for too much. I hope we play in such a way that I positively look forward to each match, but I suspect "survive" might be more appropriate than "enjoy". The odds are against us this season, for sure. Then again, light shines all the brighter in darkness.

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1 hour ago, Palfy said:

They would have told him what you don’t want you can use to improve, hence James and Delph being told they have no future in his team he can see a fair bit of money there

Whatever you're taking, I'd like some.

1 hour ago, Palfy said:

he believes he can use more wisely to improve the team

This is the perfect season to take a risk on two or three members of the U-23 squad.

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2 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Then you must have forgotten our opening match of last season, which was one of the best games we've played in years.

We played well for the first six to be fair. Didn't forget them mate, just realised that it was a purple patch and not representative of our form for the season.

We we’re terrible for 90% of last season for me. 

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Just can't see where the goals are coming from. DCL will get some but not on a regular basis.

Rich will chip in but that isn't getting us into the top six and struggle for top ten.

There is a few weeks left before the window closes, so my fears may be misplaced.

We live in hope.

 

 

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

He's the best of the four. Godfrey may be better in the future. Mina if he was more consistent. 

Crazy to sell. 

He’s 4th option. Sadly because he really looked like a player 2 years ago. Hopefully it’s around 15 million

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15 hours ago, Harv said:

Just can't see where the goals are coming from. DCL will get some but not on a regular basis.

Rich will chip in but that isn't getting us into the top six and struggle for top ten.

There is a few weeks left before the window closes, so my fears may be misplaced.

We live in hope.

I was thinking this last night.

I don't see loads of goals in this side at the moment. Dom and Richie are hit and miss and will need one or both of them to get a few. Gray and Townsend have never really scored many and who knows what will happen with Iwobi.

Doucoure and Allan playing as a two-man midfield aren't like to add too many goals either.

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16 hours ago, Harv said:

Just can't see where the goals are coming from. DCL will get some but not on a regular basis.

Rich will chip in but that isn't getting us into the top six and struggle for top ten.

There is a few weeks left before the window closes, so my fears may be misplaced.

We live in hope.

 

 

Lewis Dobbin? This is the perfect opportunity to give U-23s a chance.

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I am also writing this season off in terms of 'progression'. I think we twisted the past few seasons and gambled a little on spending more to get European football and we lost. Think the transfer pot is pretty much bare based on the Premier league metrics we have to try and bend to. I think Morishi and Usmanov will spend again when they are allowed to, but this season might just be an enforced break to balance the books. I am pretty sure Benitez will be aware of this seasons financial restraints when he was brought in and will be happily working under the constraints he has been given.

I am sure his remit will be to consolidate this season with the personal we have (or what he can do with some balanced selling and buying), and be in a position to push again next season when the books look a lot better and some big earner will be gone. I think we have committed owners, so I am sure they will give Benitez all the backing there are ALLOWED. 

As some have mentioned, this season might be a good one to bloody some of our U23's, Benitez is a fan of using youngsters. So if this is a bit of a 'free' season when expectations may not be so high as they have been, its probably the best time to give some of them a crack.  

 

 

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6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Lewis Dobbin? This is the perfect opportunity to give U-23s a chance.

Remember Martin Dobson a £300,000 signing in the early seventies. One of his nicknames was Dobbin.

Sorry lads just had a flashback.

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I believe Rafa has quite a good track record of getting youth in to the team and giving them a chance, much more so than Carlo. We shall see, he might not have the same size squad as Ancelotti, so this season may be an opportunity to try some of the youngsters - if they are good enough. 

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8 minutes ago, StevO said:

He knew what he was getting into. 

agreed, in addition he's wanted this for a while, he lives in the area, able to work close to his family instead of the apartment in newcastle/china and seeing the family only on weekends.  as much as i don't like the guy, i do wonder if the work/life balance will make him work even harder to get this to work right since he won't ever get another situation (unless he wants to manage tranmere or marine fc, unlikely).

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I can't really see Moshiri, Brands and Denise misleading him as to the state of finance for transfers. I'm holding on to the thought that he really will make this work though at the moment not looking an easy task. Coupled with the fact that if we carve out some success he could be here leading us into Bramley-Moore. Given his attachment to the city it would be huge for him.

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1 hour ago, Gwlad all over said:

I can't really see Moshiri, Brands and Denise misleading him as to the state of finance for transfers. I'm holding on to the thought that he really will make this work though at the moment not looking an easy task. Coupled with the fact that if we carve out some success he could be here leading us into Bramley-Moore. Given his attachment to the city it would be huge for him.

i think he knew he would have to sell in order to buy this season. However, it's not so easy to sell and think he might be stuck with much of the current incumbents this season. This may be tougher than he thought and obviously the Gylfi situation is an additional curve ball, weakening the squad and his attacking contribution was quite useful last season. 

I think the job is already tougher than it was the day he signed through no fault of his own.

I do think he will give the job everything he has, and hopefully this rubs off on the players. 

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