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31 minutes ago, Matt said:

That's a brilliant autocorrect considering you were trying to emphasise a point :lol:

 

My phone will repeat a word previously used after 2 letters, useful at times.  Intently is just as easily applied in the context of sentence so I could have said yeah yeah intently..... But intensely it was.

Off to Caldy now, got a bedsheet saying "Rafa I love you, please sign Harry Kane, lots of love peteO"

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This is only Benitez 5th competitive game - I don't mind a bit of caution, especially as not had a great deal of time with this squad as a whole, considering international commitments since he has been at the helm.  

putting it in to perspective - the football in the first half last night was similar to what we saw for the best part of last season with pretty much the same players, other than a couple of bargain basement signing. Last season that second half will have played out and we will have got beat. Last night we turned the game around - and with sugar on top.

We have not had a massive influx of high quality players come in this summer - could also argue that with our record signing Gylfi, top earner James and top scorer DCL not available last night then a 'weaker' took to the pitch.

Biggest difference last night - when we needed to roll our sleeves up - we did, the manager made the change (and probably a change that not one of us would have called) and we really got hold of the game. It was like a blitz on Burnley. 

Very easy to argue it should have been done from the start or changed earlier. However, cautious experimentation is needed for a new manager and his squad of players. They now have a good 60min under their belt at playing Benitez's three at the back - he will play this formation again this season, but against better opposition - so the 60mins last night will not have been wasted - it will stand them in good stead. 

An amazing 20min of football to watch and 3 points. I will take that all day long in game 5 of the Benitez era.  

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10 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said:

"Thanks for calling 'I Am a Miserable Debbie Downer Who Sucks the Joy Out of Everything in Life, this is Pete, how may I direct your call?"

Personally if Pete has it in for someone or doesn’t rate them I take it as a good sign that the said person is doing well!

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1 hour ago, RuffRob said:

This is only Benitez 5th competitive game - I don't mind a bit of caution, especially as not had a great deal of time with this squad as a whole, considering international commitments since he has been at the helm.  

putting it in to perspective - the football in the first half last night was similar to what we saw for the best part of last season with pretty much the same players, other than a couple of bargain basement signing. Last season that second half will have played out and we will have got beat. Last night we turned the game around - and with sugar on top.

We have not had a massive influx of high quality players come in this summer - could also argue that with our record signing Gylfi, top earner James and top scorer DCL not available last night then a 'weaker' took to the pitch.

Biggest difference last night - when we needed to roll our sleeves up - we did, the manager made the change (and probably a change that not one of us would have called) and we really got hold of the game. It was like a blitz on Burnley. 

Very easy to argue it should have been done from the start or changed earlier. However, cautious experimentation is needed for a new manager and his squad of players. They now have a good 60min under their belt at playing Benitez's three at the back - he will play this formation again this season, but against better opposition - so the 60mins last night will not have been wasted - it will stand them in good stead. 

An amazing 20min of football to watch and 3 points. I will take that all day long in game 5 of the Benitez era.  

I’ve had a lot to say about James and how I feel in certain situations he will be an asset. However in no way should we ever be considered weaker for not having Gylfi and James out there together. Genuinely believe a majority of our issues last year was down to that combination on the pitch together.

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1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

While I've said many times that I was underwhelmed with Allan last season, I've been seriously impressed with him this season so far. He's like a different player to be honest and is the player I was expecting.

Particularly enjoyed watching him having a go at Mina after we'd conceded a chance at 3-1. I don't even know if Mina was at fault for the chance :lol: but I loved how in the zone and intense he was.

Must admit I thought Mina was excellent last night Wood and Barnes are a handful and he battled them all night. 

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6 hours ago, Matt said:

Fucking hell, Pete. Pretty much every manager in the world gives 10-15 mins after the restart to see if the team talk worked. It didn't, we conceded, he changed things pretty much immediately, we scored 3 in 5 mins (bar the obvious offside). He saw his talk hadn't work and was a little slow in changing that's your complaint? :rofl:At least he changed. The corrupt fucker you idolise as manager wouldn't have done a thing and just bemoaned the result. 

No team talk in the world would have made a difference. The tactics were killing us. 

If Alladyce done that no way would you credit him. The players bounced back after going 1 down and then steamrolled them.

6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

You would think that we have an elite squad of players who no matter what formation or tactics you use - they will get the result.

Couldn't be more wrong.   

Last season we lose that game.  Benitez studies the game intently, and I mean intently.   He is in a zone, passionate but totally immersed in what is going on.  You can see with the players - they are being coached, clear instructions, fitness.

Got ourselves a manager here.  

No I wouldn't. You're doing that thing we you make half the argument up again. Telling me I'm wrong about something you've just made up. 

Burnley play that way every week. He would have known what they were going to do. If he was this tactical genius we'd not be getting bummed by Burnley for an hour, and not wait until 1 down to change things. The result was in spite of him.

3 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Personally if Pete has it in for someone or doesn’t rate them I take it as a good sign that the said person is doing well!

Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team). 

On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun. 

 

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2 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.

13 titles and common sense says otherwise. 

Fans giving an ex-kopite manager more of a chance than that scumbag speaks volumes really :rofl:

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19 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.

Benetiz was arguably more contentious than Allardyce.  But Rafa won the fans over with his hard work, vision for the team and ability. Not to mention his efforts to break down any barriers. 

Allardyce never took the time or effort to win over fans, never had a vision for the team that he shared with the fans. 

Basically Allardyce was just a knob who expected everyone to fall at his feet.

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36 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Benetiz was arguably more contentious than Allardyce.  But Rafa won the fans over with his hard work, vision for the team and ability. Not to mention his efforts to break down any barriers. 

Allardyce never took the time or effort to win over fans, never had a vision for the team that he shared with the fans. 

Basically Allardyce was just a knob who expected everyone to fall at his feet.

Has he won fans over? He's won the happy to be mid table, were poor so can't expect any better, I wish David Moyes come back ones maybe.

Is Rafa any less of a knob? 

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46 minutes ago, Matt said:

Are you for real? Or are you just a God tier troll?

You bragged about Benetiz's trophies. Yet his main accomplishment since 2005 is bringing Newcastle up. Steve Bruce has done a better job there. 

He left Liverpool with a much worse side than he started with to. 

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Just now, pete0 said:

You bragged about Benetiz's trophies. Yet his main accomplishment since 2005 is bringing Newcastle up. Steve Bruce has done a better job there. 

He left Liverpool with a much worse side than he started with to. 

I did not brag. I pointed out that he had some, vs a corrupt narcissist who's done fuck all. 

Maybe troll is too generous.

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.

Good job your not letting your opinion get in the way of reality.

Anyone remember the Watford home game under gravy tits, JJK was the first to have an attempt on goal on about 43 mins, oh how I wish we were still seeing that, rather than how we are this season, pace, shots on goal, and goals.

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Let's see how we perform against mid-table teams and above. We're starting the season with a very easy schedule against teams we really should beat (Southampton, Leeds, Brighton, Burnley, Villa, Norwich). I'm reserving judgment on the manager for now. Sure, things are looking bright so far, but so they should be. We were in about the same spot last season after having played a tougher set of teams, so it's too early to know where things really stand.

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1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Let's see how we perform against mid-table teams and above. We're starting the season with a very easy schedule against teams we really should beat (Southampton, Leeds, Brighton, Burnley, Villa, Norwich). I'm reserving judgment on the manager for now. Sure, things are looking bright so far, but so they should be. We were in about the same spot last season after having played a tougher set of teams, so it's too early to know where things really stand.

Stop talking sense! Let me bask in these good times without thinking about the possible pitfalls! I'm a Virgo, I do that enough! :shakingfist:

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2 hours ago, Matt said:

I did not brag. I pointed out that he had some, vs a corrupt narcissist who's done fuck all. 

Maybe troll is too generous.

You used trophies won with teams built by other people. Compare what they've both done in the league. Alladyce is more impressive, getting the likes of Bolton into Europe compared to Benetiz who has never overachieved at a club.

You said similar when I moaned about Silva.

2 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Sorry Pete but you don’t half talk some bollocks at times. I seriously doubt you would find a single Newcastle fan that would agree with you about Steve Bruce. The Geordies were all dreaming of Rafa coming back if the take over ever happened

Likewise I sincerely doubt you would find any Kopites that agree with you

He was universally loved by both sets of fans but somehow you think you know better

Sometimes I honestly wonder whether you actually believe any of the crap you spout or whether you are just posting it for effect because you want to appear controversial

So Geordies and kopites are your fountain of knowledge. Brilliant. 

They loved that he won a cup and called us a small club. If he was so great he'd still be there. They've only recovered from the mess he left recently. He's the reason they stopped getting champions League every season.

Controversial until proven true. Some of us are just more forward thinking than others. Or better yet form our own opinions. 

1 hour ago, Wiggytop said:

Good job your not letting your opinion get in the way of reality.

Anyone remember the Watford home game under gravy tits, JJK was the first to have an attempt on goal on about 43 mins, oh how I wish we were still seeing that, rather than how we are this season, pace, shots on goal, and goals.

What else could you do with the squad he had, there's a reason Koeman got sacked. Look at Alladyce with west Brom playing good football and beating Chelsea 5-2 away. You can only work with what you've got. Alladyce albeit a percentage football manager adapts, he got Anelka and Okocha to Bolton. Players too good for that type of football and adapted away from percentage to use/trust in their natural ability. Whereas we've got a percentage puritan who has turned the fans on one of the most naturally gifted players of my lifetime.

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36 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

😂😂😂😂 Pete “ Some of us are more forward thinking than others”

Also Pete “ Benitez is no better than Allardyce”

😂😂😂😂😂

You come out with some whoppers Pete but this really is comedy gold , does it not occur to you that such a forwarding thinking visionary holding such a dinosaur as Allardyce in such high regard is just a little contradictory ?

 

I've named six things I've had to argue in the last three years. Care to let me know 6 I've been wrong about?

How is Alladyce any more of a dinosaur to Rafa?

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Rafa and Allardyce for me come from different ends of the spectrum when it comes to management, without getting into a heavy debate about who’s right or  who’s wrong. For me Rafa is a tactical manager who manages players to work in a system that he has finely tuned over the years, and Allardyce is a manager who doesn’t really have a great relationship with his players, he sets his team’s up how I would expect mathematician would, who is looking at the stats and then implements those with the highest percentage of success rate. 

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10 hours ago, pete0 said:

I've named six things I've had to argue in the last three years. Care to let me know 6 I've been wrong about?

How is Alladyce any more of a dinosaur to Rafa?

You are hopelessly wrong about Fat Sam in every conceivable way

You are wrong about Benitez in general but ridiculously wrong about the jobs he did at both the Shite and Newcastle  

Wrong about both Pienner & Baines

Wrong about Jagielka

Wrong about Funes Mori

Wrong about Gana

There will be way more than that but can’t be arsed anymore so will leave it there

 

 

 

 

 

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Fat Sam had no risk in joining us. We gave him £50 million pounds and he got us Tosun and Walcott. If we got relegated with him he would have held his hands up and said there was nothing he could do. We played Man city and had less possession than Fernandinho…. 

Rafa took this job and his reputation is on the line massively with what he knew would be a hostile fan base. We’ve given him £1.7 million and he is making it work seemingly better than all the managers we backed before him. This whole defensive Rafa stereotype needs to go as well.

We’re organised and effective.

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I think that Allardyce gets a lot more stick than he deserves, but is there really a debate about who is better between him and Benitez :lol:? Some of the points/opinions raised to back up such claim simply aren't true either.

9 minutes ago, Btay said:

Rafa took this job and his reputation is on the line massively with what he knew would be a hostile fan base. We’ve given him £1.7 million and he is making it work seemingly better than all the managers we backed before him. This whole defensive Rafa stereotype needs to go as well.

We’re organised and effective.

I'll happily play "defensive" football if it means we can sit joint top of the league and have a GD of +6 . Totally agree that, as you say we are organised and effective - the stats back it up.

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16 hours ago, Shukes said:

All o can see is that under Rafa…. So far…. We’ve been playing some good football, and he has been able to change things.

Under Alladyce, we played the worst football I have ever witnessed and became the neutrals bore team of the league. 
 

My choice is made.

What would Benetiz do with that same squad? Just look at what he done with Newcastle. Didn't score more than 2 prem goals in two seasons other than their comeback against us under Silva.

6 hours ago, Matt said:

Champions League winner vs gravy tits. 

What are the 6? I'm genuinely excited to see.

Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team). 

On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun. 

6 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

You are hopelessly wrong about Fat Sam in every conceivable way

You are wrong about Benitez in general but ridiculously wrong about the jobs he did at both the Shite and Newcastle  

Wrong about both Pienner & Baines

Wrong about Jagielka

Wrong about Funes Mori

Wrong about Gana

There will be way more than that but can’t be arsed anymore so will leave it there

 

 

 

 

 

Just saying wrong is not good enough. What's your reasoning. 

How did Benetiz do better at Newcastle than Bruce?

Wrong about Baines??

Pienaar wasn't effective. Just look at his goals and assists. We done no worse without him. Any one could have just sat on the wing and layed the ball off to Baines, if anything they'd do it better as they wouldn't try stupid back heels that never came off. 1 goal in his last three seasons at the club albeit he couldn't get in the team in his final season.

Who's better Doucoure or Gana? Is the midfield better now without him. Was it better with McCarthy and Barry before him?

Jags? Terrible choice of captain and an average defender. A young Holgate and a leggy Williams rightly kept him out the team. The player I wanted instead of him was Johnny Evans. Pretty sure you laughed at that too.

Mori. He done well for us. 

Bare in mind I said three years, you've gone back how long?

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10 minutes ago, pete0 said:

What would Benetiz do with that same squad? Just look at what he done with Newcastle. Didn't score more than 2 prem goals in two seasons other than their comeback against us under Silva.

Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team). 

On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun. 

Just saying wrong is not good enough. What's your reasoning. 

How did Benetiz do better at Newcastle than Bruce?

Wrong about Baines??

Pienaar wasn't effective. Just look at his goals and assists. We done no worse without him. Any one could have just sat on the wing and layed the ball off to Baines, if anything they'd do it better as they wouldn't try stupid back heels that never came off. 1 goal in his last three seasons at the club albeit he couldn't get in the team in his final season.

Who's better Doucoure or Gana? Is the midfield better now without him. Was it better with McCarthy and Barry before him?

Jags? Terrible choice of captain and an average defender. A young Holgate and a leggy Williams rightly kept him out the team. The player I wanted instead of him was Johnny Evans. Pretty sure you laughed at that too.

Mori. He done well for us. 

Bare in mind I said three years, you've gone back how long?

Tbf I shouldn’t have said wrong as it’s your opinion so there is no right or wrong so I will put it another way , you have some extremely bizarre opinions and let’s just leave it at that

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Shellshocked that Fat Sam is still mentioned in this forum.  Literally shiver when I read his name. Sure other managers have had a longer lasting effect on the club *cough Koeman cough* but do you remember match days under Sam? What a dark joyless time that was.  Hopefully, we will be past it by the time we are in the new stadium. Rafa was not my first choice or top 5 but come on folks... 

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2 minutes ago, plaidharper said:

Shellshocked that Fat Sam is still mentioned in this forum.  Literally shiver when I read his name. Sure other managers have had a longer lasting effect on the club *cough Koeman cough* but do you remember match days under Sam? What a dark joyless time that was.  Hopefully, we will be past it by the time we are in the new stadium. Rafa was not my first choice or top 5 but come on folks... 

Maybe this is why @pete0 keeps defending him. From what I've gathered, Pete may very well thrive in a dark, joyless environment.

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10 minutes ago, plaidharper said:

Shellshocked that Fat Sam is still mentioned in this forum.  Literally shiver when I read his name. Sure other managers have had a longer lasting effect on the club *cough Koeman cough* but do you remember match days under Sam? What a dark joyless time that was.  Hopefully, we will be past it by the time we are in the new stadium. Rafa was not my first choice or top 5 but come on folks... 

Exactly, Koeman forced it on us. I doubt many managers would do differently than Alladyce did. It was a good job that we got fat Sam before Silva, as I dread to think how bad we'd have been with his football and that lot of players.

Walcott was the only exciting player to watch. So Alladyce at least addressed we needed pace. 

The first half against Burnley was no better than the unimaginative slow boring football we've endured too often since Koeman. Past few seasons at times the best part of the game for me was a pie at half time. Couldn't even give my ticket away under Silva.

Most disheartening thing for me was seeing the team sheet on the way to the game to check if Schneiderlin and Gana both started together. If there were you knew the next 90 minutes weren't gonna be fun at all.

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31 minutes ago, pete0 said:

Exactly, Koeman forced it on us. I doubt many managers would do differently than Alladyce did. It was a good job that we got fat Sam before Silva, as I dread to think how bad we'd have been with his football and that lot of players.

Walcott was the only exciting player to watch. So Alladyce at least addressed we needed pace. 

The first half against Burnley was no better than the unimaginative slow boring football we've endured too often since Koeman. Past few seasons at times the best part of the game for me was a pie at half time. Couldn't even give my ticket away under Silva.

Most disheartening thing for me was seeing the team sheet on the way to the game to check if Schneiderlin and Gana both started together. If there were you knew the next 90 minutes weren't gonna be fun at all.

I should have known my comments would only further the discuss of the man. That fail is on me.

You are right that many managers would have tried to circle the wagons and just try to be hard to beat for the remainder of that season.  With that lot of players? Certainly. So no testament to Sam there. Also his transfers did not pan out at all. 50 mil down the drain (walcott and tosun).  Could have random selected a player to purchase and ended up with more pace.  We were SO slow. So total fail in that department for Sam.  Cannot fathom a single positive from his reign.

Also at least there was hope under Silva compared none under Sam.  Silva didn't work out but at least there was that.  In fact, I flew across the pond to watch a game under Silva.  Something that would have never happened under Sam.  Was the game I watched good? Nope. It was brutal a loss.  But I had hope before kick off, haha.  Also this whole Sam keeps teams up dross is so tired. There is a reason he jumps around clubs.  Guy is shameless.

Seems like people are always piling on Pete in this forum but... (and some people might disagree) but... I would rather him be at the helm than Fat Sam.  His passion and deep distain for passengers on the pitch is to be commended.  From his comments above players like Siggy, Morgan, and Keane would have never been bought and if so, at least would have been banished.  Under Pete's tutelage, that act/those acts alone would have had more of a positive effect on the team and in the psyche of Everton fans than anything Sam ever did or could do with an open checkbook.

So when you getting your badges Pete...

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2 hours ago, pete0 said:

Exactly, Koeman forced it on us. I doubt many managers would do differently than Alladyce did. It was a good job that we got fat Sam before Silva, as I dread to think how bad we'd have been with his football and that lot of players.

Walcott was the only exciting player to watch. So Alladyce at least addressed we needed pace. 

The first half against Burnley was no better than the unimaginative slow boring football we've endured too often since Koeman. Past few seasons at times the best part of the game for me was a pie at half time. Couldn't even give my ticket away under Silva.

Most disheartening thing for me was seeing the team sheet on the way to the game to check if Schneiderlin and Gana both started together. If there were you knew the next 90 minutes weren't gonna be fun at all.

The first half was poor, nowhere near Allardyce poor but bad all the same. But the point here , that you seem to be missing, is that Rafa changed it even after we had just equalised and what followed was exhilarating

I think all of his substitutions have been spot on , each has had a positive impact on the game

Fat Sam would have settled for the point and had we just equalised the only subs he would be making would be defensive ones

If he had seen Townsend shooting from distance he would have spilt his Bisto in the rush to haul him off for not spotting the back pass instead

Surely even you can see that we are far more attacking and get the ball forward far more quickly under Rafa?

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14 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

The first half was poor, nowhere near Allardyce poor but bad all the same. But the point here , that you seem to be missing, is that Rafa changed it even after we had just equalised and what followed was exhilarating

I think all of his substitutions have been spot on , each has had a positive impact on the game

Fat Sam would have settled for the point and had we just equalised the only subs he would be making would be defensive ones

If he had seen Townsend shooting from distance he would have spilt his Bisto in the rush to haul him off for not spotting the back pass instead

Surely even you can see that we are far more attacking and get the ball forward far more quickly under Rafa?

It was equally as poor. Burnley had us pegged in our own half like they were man United under Ferguson. 

Why would he have settled for a point? That's just pure opinion with nothing to base it on.

Again baseless. If anything Benetiz is the one more focused on percentage football and wanting players to do exactly what he wants. Alladyce allows more freedom.

We are more attacking, but that's down to the players available. Alladyce played more attacking football with wba than he did Everton. Doucoure alone instead of Gana makes us more attacking. The team we had lacked a centre mid and pace on the wings. 

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59 minutes ago, pete0 said:

It was equally as poor. Burnley had us pegged in our own half like they were man United under Ferguson. 

Why would he have settled for a point? That's just pure opinion with nothing to base it on.

Again baseless. If anything Benetiz is the one more focused on percentage football and wanting players to do exactly what he wants. Alladyce allows more freedom.

We are more attacking, but that's down to the players available. Alladyce played more attacking football with wba than he did Everton. Doucoure alone instead of Gana makes us more attacking. The team we had lacked a centre mid and pace on the wings. 

Well I quit. 

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On 14/09/2021 at 15:10, pete0 said:

Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.

Haha is this parody Pete taking over?

Fans never gave Allardyce a chance?  They actually did and he drove the majority to despair..... The worst football I have ever witnessed at Everton and I watched Mike Walkers team.

An ex Liverpool manager is more popular than that fat slobbish classless greedy cunt because he actually knows what he's doing and he's not a piss taking brown envelope taking nob head. 

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36 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Haha is this parody Pete taking over?

Fans never gave Allardyce a chance?  They actually did and he drove the majority to despair..... The worst football I have ever witnessed at Everton and I watched Mike Walkers team.

An ex Liverpool manager is more popular than that fat slobbish classless greedy cunt because he actually knows what he's doing and he's not a piss taking brown envelope taking nob head. 

No they never, he came after the England sack with many bemoaning him from day one. What was the football like under Koeman that got him the sack?

Given the players Silva had at his disposal the football and results should have been a lot better. The football wasn't good enough and the results no better.

 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

No they never, he came after the England sack with many bemoaning him from day one. What was the football like under Koeman that got him the sack?

Given the players Silva had at his disposal the football and results should have been a lot better. The football wasn't good enough and the results no better.

 

I will not get dragged down this rabbit hole, I will not.

Ahh fuck it, one more comment.

Pete if you speak to West Ham, West Brom, Crystal Palace and Newcastle fans their opinion on Allardyce, the vast majority will, once you have taken the swear words out say they loathed him being their manager. They say the brand of football he plays kills the enjoyment they had watching their sides. 

They also say he made little or no effort to get to know the fans, interact with them, or embrace their clubs history. 

How do I know this, because I work with fans from most prem, championship clubs, and we all talk football.

In a previous post I said appointing Allardyce was contentious, I will change that, the vast majority of fottball fans would not want Allardyce managing their club. The vast majority of football fans from non top 6 teams would be ok Benetiz managing their club.

 

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19 minutes ago, London Blue said:

I will not get dragged down this rabbit hole, I will not.

Ahh fuck it, one more comment.

Pete if you speak to West Ham, West Brom, Crystal Palace and Newcastle fans their opinion on Allardyce, the vast majority will, once you have taken the swear words out say they loathed his being their manager. They say the brand of football he plays kills the enjoyment they had watching their sides. 

They also say he made little or no effort to get to know the fans, interact with them, or embrace their clubs history. 

How do I know this, because I work with fans from most prem, championship clubs, and we all talk football.

In a previous post I said appointing Allardyce was contentious, I will change that, the vast majority offottball fans would not want Allardyce managing their club. The vast majority of football fans from non top 6 teams would be ok Benetiz managing their club.

 

Newcastle fans like Benetiz more than Bruce purely because of the name. They accepted playing shit football and just about staying up as they liked having a name in charge. Popularity polls don't mean anything. 

We all laughed when West Ham fans wanted rid of Alladyce to play the West Ham way. They're finally happy again... Now they're back to playing how fat Sam had them playing albeit Moyes at the helm.

If anything Palace were even more defensive. Hodgson did a really good job keeping them in the league but I'd hate to watch them every week the past few years. 

 

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5 hours ago, pete0 said:

Newcastle fans like Benetiz more than Bruce purely because of the name. They accepted playing shit football and just about staying up as they liked having a name in charge. Popularity polls don't mean anything. 

We all laughed when West Ham fans wanted rid of Alladyce to play the West Ham way. They're finally happy again... Now they're back to playing how fat Sam had them playing albeit Moyes at the helm.

If anything Palace were even more defensive. Hodgson did a really good job keeping them in the league but I'd hate to watch them every week the past few years. 

 

I know a few hammers fans they like Newcastle fans who ran Allardyce out the club with their protests, ran Moyes out first time round. It would be fair to say all West Ham fans didn’t want Moyes back and probably a big element still don’t want him there, but like a lot of Everton fans who still don’t want Benitez they are finding it hard to show there criticism because basically when teams are winning and points are being won you come across as a bit of a dick wanting them gone, but all that’s happened is they have become sleepers waiting for and hoping things go wrong so they can say they were right,  Benitez  is shit and a cunt and we should never have given him the job, we know it’s coming as sure as night and day. 

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36 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I know a few hammers fans they like Newcastle fans who ran Allardyce out the club with their protests, ran Moyes out first time round. It would be fair to say all West Ham fans didn’t want Moyes back and probably a big element still don’t want him there, but like a lot of Everton fans who still don’t want Benitez they are finding it hard to show there criticism because basically when teams are winning and points are being won you come across as a bit of a dick wanting them gone, but all that’s happened is they have become sleepers waiting for and hoping things go wrong so they can say they were right,  Benitez  is shit and a cunt and we should never have given him the job, we know it’s coming as sure as night and day. 

People are acting like we're lucky to have him. We're a big club and should be aiming higher than a journey man who just wants to finally get a job closer to home. His biggest success was over 15 years ago and he's not lasted more than 2 seasons at any club other than Newcastle. 

So far we're 2 points down than we should be thanks to him picking Keane. 

We were lucky against Burnley. Could have easily been three down by half time. 

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1 hour ago, pete0 said:

People are acting like we're lucky to have him. We're a big club and should be aiming higher than a journey man who just wants to finally get a job closer to home. His biggest success was over 15 years ago and he's not lasted more than 2 seasons at any club other than Newcastle. 

So far we're 2 points down than we should be thanks to him picking Keane. 

We were lucky against Burnley. Could have easily been three down by half time. 

A big name like Ancellotti, koeman?

Heres a fact for you that you won't like .... Benitez has coached our players and spent more relative time on the training pitch than koeman, Ancellotti and Allardyce put together.  

Allardyce pissed off to Spain for 3 days a week leaving training to Sammy Lee and co.  Part time manager.  

Allardyce was absolutely shit.  Lucked out by Baines and Coleman returning from injury despite wasting £50m on tosun and Walcott. 

I'm made up we have got benitez, absolutely made up.  Great manager, you can see how he got Valencia to win back to back la Ligas. 

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8 hours ago, pete0 said:

Newcastle fans like Benetiz more than Bruce purely because of the name. They accepted playing shit football and just about staying up as they liked having a name in charge. Popularity polls don't mean anything. 

We all laughed when West Ham fans wanted rid of Alladyce to play the West Ham way. They're finally happy again... Now they're back to playing how fat Sam had them playing albeit Moyes at the helm.

If anything Palace were even more defensive. Hodgson did a really good job keeping them in the league but I'd hate to watch them every week the past few years. 

 

Have you actually spoken to a single Newcastle fan or are you just making shit up again?

I have spoken to plenty and whilst they were obviously delighted to bring in a big name manager they loved him because of the job he did there, which is why they all wanted him back

Personally I sympathised with West Ham fans who wanted rid of Fat Sam and completely understood why as growing up I always had a soft spot for them because they were synonymous for playing good football, so no we didn’t all laugh and those that did will more than likely have been laughing at their misfortune . As for ten now playing Allardyce football you are clearly on the wind up, Moyes has got them playing fast attacking football and only Man City & Man Utd have scored more, so your chatting more bollocks there

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Saying Allardyce is anything but a one dimensional dinosaur is trying too hard to be a football hipster, it's up there with saying you would rather have Chris Brunt than Steven Gerrard. 

The only possible way fans would be ok with having Allardyce as their manager is if they really fear relegation and are happy to see out the season playing for 0-0 draws.   That's essentially why fans were ok with him ...... Till they realised just how turgid the football was.  Some would have sooner be relegated than watch that.

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