Dwight McNeil

[Aidan]

This is actually a really interesting and informative watch, gives an in-depth view of him as a player and a insight as to how he might fit in our team and where Lampard might want to improve him. Convincing myself he's better than we're thinking.

[chicagoblue]

26 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

He can dribble at pace, he can cross the ball well, he has a good engine and is good defensively and already has plenty of Premiership experience  - at 22 seems to be decent enough value at £15M and most probably reasonable wages to boot. There is room for improvement, by that's why he is an affordable £15M and not an unaffordable £30M. In 12-18months time it is the improvement or good use of these signings that Lampard and Thelwall will be judged against.  

I can get behind this signing much more than the grossly over paid Walcott's, Bernard's and Bolasie's of this world.

 

Heard he was on something like 70k / week, which is well above reasonable for his production, in my book anyway.  

[RuffRob]

I just did the you tube high lights real thing. To be fair to the lad his assist where low last year due to absolutely horrendous finishing on Burnley's part. A lot would have been easier to score than miss, but they managed miss.

[RuffRob]

1 minute ago, chicagoblue said:

Heard he was on something like 70k / week, which is well above reasonable for his production, in my book anyway.  

Where did you hear that? 

[chicagoblue]

4 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

Where did you hear that? 

ToffeeTV this morning

[SpartyBlue]

12 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Heard he was on something like 70k / week, which is well above reasonable for his production, in my book anyway.  

There are probably 200+ players in the league that make that. He’s 22 with good experience in the league. Even we have 8-10 players who make that or more.  

[Hafnia]

Good video, for me he looks like a similar type of player to Kevin Kilbane. Good size, defensively disciplined, but with work on his decision making he could be a far better player. Could play on the left of a 3 central midfielders too.

at 22 loads of scope for improvement.  

[StevO]

1 hour ago, DownUnderToff said:

Assuming that we'd be looking at converting him (and Cornet) to playing predominantly on the right side?

Why?

[Hafnia]

52 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Heard he was on something like 70k / week, which is well above reasonable for his production, in my book anyway.  

We need proof of that. 

[patto]

2 hours ago, Hafnia said:

We need proof of that. 

I don’t see Burnley paying that. 

[chicagoblue]

57 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

There are probably 200+ players in the league that make that. He’s 22 with good experience in the league. Even we have 8-10 players who make that or more.  

Which has been a major problem for us. Exorbitant wages have financially crippled us because we haven't been able to shift players who don't work out, since no one with a brain will match our wages. 

 

For a player with his production needs to be on max 40k (which is still insance) and any more performance based and improved contract if he earns it. 

[Btay]

I’m warming up to this transfer. We need a left footer, it’s easy to forget he is only 22 so there’s a good chance we get our money back at worst with him.

Also, Tarkowksi has come in and already shown to have a bit more to his game than he was able to show with burnley ( mainly in passing ). I’m holding on to some hope that Mcneil can flourish here and showcase a bit more of his technical ability here than he could with Burnley.

[SpartyBlue]

15 minutes ago, chicagoblue said:

Which has been a major problem for us. Exorbitant wages have financially crippled us because we haven't been able to shift players who don't work out, since no one with a brain will match our wages. 

 

For a player with his production needs to be on max 40k (which is still insance) and any more performance based and improved contract if he earns it. 

The point is that 70k isn’t exorbitant relative to the league or our team. He’d be well below average for a 1st team starter. Your issue seems to be with Premier League salaries in general.

[DownUnderToff]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

Why?

Otherwise we're backed up with 4 - 5 predominantly left sided players (Gordon, Gray, Dele, McNeil, Cornet), whereas we only have 1 (Townsend) on the right.  Possibly 3, if including Mills and Iwobi on the right.

McNeil and Cornet are left footed, if Lampard wants inverted wingers.

[StevO]

24 minutes ago, DownUnderToff said:

Otherwise we're backed up with 4 - 5 predominantly left sided players (Gordon, Gray, Dele, McNeil, Cornet), whereas we only have 1 (Townsend) on the right.  Possibly 3, if including Mills and Iwobi on the right.

McNeil and Cornet are left footed, if Lampard wants inverted wingers.

I wouldn’t say any of those are predominantly any side (Dele in particular is not a wide player). Forget Mills, and we know Iwobi isn’t a winger as we found out last season, finally. If Townsend makes a good recovery we don’t need to be counting on him either.

Gordon and Gray are both right footed, we need a left footed winger in there. As we’ve not had a left footed winger for some time I don’t think we’ve seen anything to suggest the want for them to be inverted. But only having right footers we’ve had to play one of them on the left. 
If we did play with inverted wingers it reduces the threat of DCL as a goal scorer anyway. 
 

We’ll need options, if we have two right and two left footered wingers it will give that. 

[DownUnderToff]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

I wouldn’t say any of those are predominantly any side (Dele in particular is not a wide player). Forget Mills, and we know Iwobi isn’t a winger as we found out last season, finally. If Townsend makes a good recovery we don’t need to be counting on him either.

Gordon and Gray are both right footed, we need a left footed winger in there. As we’ve not had a left footed winger for some time I don’t think we’ve seen anything to suggest the want for them to be inverted. But only having right footers we’ve had to play one of them on the left. 
If we did play with inverted wingers it reduces the threat of DCL as a goal scorer anyway. 
 

We’ll need options, if we have two right and two left footered wingers it will give that. 

Not disagreeing with any of that, just looking at where they have all predominantly played (which is left, according to Transfermarkt).

I'm hoping that we'll be fairly fluid across the wing positions, swapping during a game but inverted wingers is pretty well the norm now and was Lampard's style at Chelsea.

As for DCL, I'd say he (and Everton) needs to be less predictable anyway.

[Btay]

2 hours ago, DownUnderToff said:

Otherwise we're backed up with 4 - 5 predominantly left sided players (Gordon, Gray, Dele, McNeil, Cornet), whereas we only have 1 (Townsend) on the right.  Possibly 3, if including Mills and Iwobi on the right.

McNeil and Cornet are left footed, if Lampard wants inverted wingers.

McNeil will no doubt play on the right, especially with Patterson bombing on down the right. Gordon & Gray cover the left. Dele & Iwobi central with Townsend back up for Mcneil. ( Gordon or gray are more than equipped to play on the right as well ). It’s more depth than we’ve had for a long time to be honest.

[patto]

44 minutes ago, Btay said:

McNeil will no doubt play on the right, especially with Patterson bombing on down the right. Gordon & Gray cover the left. Dele & Iwobi central with Townsend back up for Mcneil. ( Gordon or gray are more than equipped to play on the right as well ). It’s more depth than we’ve had for a long time to be honest.

I can see us selling someone but not a clue who.

[c1982]

A left-footed set piece specialist was one of the key focuses this summer - something we’ve been desperate for and in McNeil, I think we’ll see a lot more quality from deadball situations.

[RuffRob]

The more you look at Neil the more his transfer makes sense.

- Has a good attitude and character and is a hard worker, a must in my opinion,

- by the speed the transfer is going it seems he wants to come to Everton, (I feel a lot of our targets are waiting on or wanting better offers, such as European football or nice pay packets - well fuck them!!)

- He is not injury prone, and has great energy to get up and down the pitch,

- Left footed to give greater balance to the squad, and a good left foot at that,

- can cross the ball and deliver good balls from set pieces,

-has top numbers in tracking back and puts in a defensive stint,

-has top numbers on creating chances (at Burnley as well)- (it actually up to others to convert them and turn more in to assists),

-dribbles with his head up and does it very well,

- does shot and has a good shot, but admittedly it to far from the goal so is not converting enough (that should not be to difficult to coach out of somebody and improve on in a team who will want to play possession based football),

- his assist and goal numbers where not as good last year as previous seasons - so this summer he is not ear marked as the next big thing, so his inflated price tag from last summer has dropped considerably, he is actually affordable and good value this summer. If his goal numbers and assist where higher last season (which I am sure a few are bemoaning about), he would probably be out of our price range at +£30M mark. 

- he is only 22.

To me he already lots of attributes going forward, but has even more attributes tracking back. 

We have to remember other than for a few months at the end of last season - in the Premier league has only been trained and managed under Dyche. It think this lad has all the tools in his locker that a different coaching staff and manager with a more possession based style of play could really tap in to. 

Over the next 3-4 season I don't see him dropping away and becoming unsellable at the £15M mark, but I do think he has the potential to really up both his assists and goals numbers which could see him double or triple in value. 

I think there is a lot to get behind with McNeil. 

[Romey 1878]

Tbh, I'd rather get than Cornet (if it is a choice between the two).

[RuffRob]

40 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Tbh, I'd rather get than Cornet (if it is a choice between the two).

do you mean you would rather McNeil over Cornet?

[Romey 1878]

3 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

do you mean you would rather McNeil over Cornet?

Yes, I have no idea how I managed to miss the word 'him' out of my sentence .

[RuffRob]

Interesting if you go back to the first page of this thread - we where having very similar discussing about him, but talk was of between £25M and £35M for him last summer. A 21/22 years maybe having a bit of a dip in form last season in a struggling Burnley team has not turned him in to a shit player, but it has almost halved his price!! - now actually is the time to buy him. 

[Romey 1878]

 

[Formby]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

Yes, I have no idea how I managed to miss the word 'him' out of my sentence .

I thought you'd put 'than' instead of 'that' - you wanted that Cornet! 

[Romey 1878]

Apparently will be our new number 7.

And word is that he was only on 5K a week at Burnley, so no matter what we're giving him he's going to be one happy lad for the next 5 years .

[milesey05]

38 games 

0- goals

1- assist.

Difficult to get a hard on over this signing, or even a semi!!!

 

[patto]

2 minutes ago, milesey05 said:

38 games 

0- goals

1- assist.

Difficult to get a hard on over this signing, or even a semi!!!

 

Blue pill maybe ?

[milesey05]

1 minute ago, patto said:

Blue pill maybe ?

Not there yet! ;-).