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20 hours ago, Bailey said:

Very happy to eat my words with this fella. It is very early days and he started like this in Germany before falling off a cliff but he definitely adds a new dimension to our attack. 

Bailey.... Just give him a chance.  You came wading in on him ..... He cost 6 of James weekly wages.  

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35 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Bailey.... Just give him a chance.  You came wading in on him ..... He cost 6 of James weekly wages.  

When you put it like that the reality numbing, we need to hurry up and get rid of James and find another 2 like Gray, 3 for the price of 1 and the 1 we’ve got in my opinion is better for the team than the 1 we need to get rid of. 

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21 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Bailey.... Just give him a chance.  You came wading in on him ..... He cost 6 of James weekly wages.  

And I am very happy to be proven wrong, (as the post you quoted showed) but it is early days.

Like I have said to you before, I don't care about his cost. If he is starting games for Everton, he needs to be good enough and so far he is proving to be that.

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Demarai Gray: Leeds got what they deserved in the opening exchanges against Everton. I'm no fan of VAR, but referee Darren England's use of the replay check, for the first goal when in doubt, was the right thing to do.

How Liam Cooper had the nerve to question his subsequent booking, never mind the penalty he gave away for pulling Dominic Calvert-Lewin's shirt practically off his back, beggars belief.

As for Everton, I think they are very lucky to have got Rafa Benitez so soon as manager after losing Carlo Ancelotti. The Spaniard has brought in winger Gray, who looked electric against Leeds and is a real talent.

Did you know? Gray scored his first Premier League goal for Everton, becoming the 34th different player to score both for and against the Toffees in the competition.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Shukes said:

This lad is a joy to watch. Pace, good feet, and an end product. Unbelievable for the price we paid!

He really has been. Just goes to show what good coaching can do. I bet Leicester fans are sick watching him perform so well. It does worry me that his mental balance seems to be frail though. I hope his chin doesn't drop, but when he inevitably does hit a poor spell of form, it will be interesting to see how he recovers. Meanwhile, I'm loving watching him. 

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I think a big difference for Gray is playing on the counter attack. For Rodgers at Leicester he was playing against a compact defence where he had little or no space to use his quick feet and dribble at players.

Rafa has him playing in space and he is getting him isolated 1 v 1 regularly and it is working wonders.

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3 hours ago, plaidharper said:

As someone who is from the USA and watches CONCACAF, I just hope he does not get injured.  Lots of physical play and poor pitches in these matches.

That being said, Gray has been great this year so well deserved.

Oh christ. Glad for him, but you're spot on. The CONCACAF qualifiers are a joke.

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1 minute ago, Cornish Steve said:

Given how well we played without him yesterday, should Gray walk straight back into the team once he returns from injury - for example, in place of Iwobi - or does he become an impact sub?

(Nice problem to have, by the way.)

Of course he shouldn't. Iwobi has earnt his spot and Gray will just have to wait for an opportunity to get it back.

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44 minutes ago, MC11 said:

I think he comes back in straight away 

No, he shouldn't.   We will have Gordon .. DCL .. Richie as the front three, then Allan .. V de Beek .. And a choice of Doucoure and Dele for the middle three, and if Iwobi plays as well as he did yesterday I would stick him in before Gray. 

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For Lampard, I think it would send a bad sign of he dropped Iwobi as soon as Gray was fit unless Gray was doing brilliantly in training. 

For us Everton fans that have seen Iwobi week in week out, I think it would be harsh to have watched Gray be one of our best players all season only to be dropped for a guy who has had one good game all season. 

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3 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Given how well we played without him yesterday, should Gray walk straight back into the team once he returns from injury - for example, in place of Iwobi - or does he become an impact sub?

(Nice problem to have, by the way.)

Depends on what tactics/system Frank thinks we need to win the game when Gray’s next fit.

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

No, he shouldn't.   We will have Gordon .. DCL .. Richie as the front three, then Allan .. V de Beek .. And a choice of Doucoure and Dele for the middle three, and if Iwobi plays as well as he did yesterday I would stick him in before Gray. 

Agreed. Plus with Gray's dynamism and the way he runs at defenders, would be a perfect option to come off the bench and run at tired legs with 20 minutes left

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To be honest I don't think Gray will get in ahead of Gordon or Richie as our wide players so where would he play.?  Won't be ahead of Allan, de Beek, Doucoure, or Delli, so I don't think there's anything down for him.

Might get in if the manager rotates but I think he'll spend most of his time as a bench warmer.

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This is a squad game, players have to earn and keep their places on merit. It would destroy players moral if Frank played favourites, many of the problems of our club are due to previous managers playing favourites. From what he said about slates being wiped clean I don't for one minute he will go down that route, and I am so happy.

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39 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Gray is fast, direct, skillful and involved in goals so of course he will be involved again. Competition for places is so important, its what Frank needs to make our team work, as are quality options. 

And runs down too many blind alleys, hangs on to the ball too long and loses it. I wouldn't drop any of the team that played Leeds to put him in. I have said he will play if the manager rotates.

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He shouldn’t just walk back into the team when fit. And it’s not like he’s being dropped if he doesn’t. Iwobi had the chance to make a claim for the position while Grey was injured, and should be rewarded by keeping the position for the next game. If he doesn’t perform in the next game then he should lose the position.
 

The same for any player in the squad. If you miss a game for whatever reason and someone comes in and fights to keep that place you should have to fight to get it back. I don’t want to see anyone guaranteed to play. 

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1 hour ago, Bill said:

And runs down too many blind alleys, hangs on to the ball too long and loses it. I wouldn't drop any of the team that played Leeds to put him in. I have said he will play if the manager rotates.

5 Goals and 2 assists in 20 league games in a struggling side. He was involved in 25% of our goals, so he is just as much of an option as anyone else in the squad. Under Frank starts will be determined on performance in training and matches which is as it should be

Respect you Bill but that's my opinion and I don't think it's going to change based on the above.

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Foden doesn't start every game. Sterling doesn't start every game. Mahrez doesn't start every game. Mount doesn't start every game. The top teams can rotate and rest players and choose based on the best tactics for each game. I can see Gray starting some and not others, and the same for Iwobi and Townsend and El Ghazi and the rest. We've seen this season what it's like when you rely on the same 11 starters for every game, and I don't want to go back to that.

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8 hours ago, Matt said:

True but to drop a player after such am excellent performance also sends a bad message. Its a headache I'm glad I don't have. 

It is a headache. Because the flip side is a player that’s been performing and gets injured could be dropped for a player that turns up with one good performance. Not a great message to send out.

My view would be that Gray plays a wide role, while Iwobi had a free role. The team would be dependant on our opponents and tactics for the game.

In Frank we trust !

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20 minutes ago, Shukes said:

It is a headache. Because the flip side is a player that’s been performing and gets injured could be dropped for a player that turns up with one good performance. Not a great message to send out.

My view would be that Gray plays a wide role, while Iwobi had a free role. The team would be dependant on our opponents and tactics for the game.

In Frank we trust !

But, what a nice headache to have!

Such a change from having to play certain players due to injury etc and just keeping our fingers crossed.

I think Frank will be able to keep everyone happy - especially if we go on a good cup run.

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7 hours ago, StevO said:

He shouldn’t just walk back into the team when fit. And it’s not like he’s being dropped if he doesn’t. Iwobi had the chance to make a claim for the position while Grey was injured, and should be rewarded by keeping the position for the next game. If he doesn’t perform in the next game then he should lose the position.
 

The same for any player in the squad. If you miss a game for whatever reason and someone comes in and fights to keep that place you should have to fight to get it back. I don’t want to see anyone guaranteed to play. 

Completely agree, On a scale of 1-10 and 1 being the scruffiest and 10 being the smartest, how would you say you was dressed when writing that post. 

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9 hours ago, StevO said:

He shouldn’t just walk back into the team when fit. And it’s not like he’s being dropped if he doesn’t. Iwobi had the chance to make a claim for the position while Grey was injured, and should be rewarded by keeping the position for the next game. If he doesn’t perform in the next game then he should lose the position.
 

The same for any player in the squad. If you miss a game for whatever reason and someone comes in and fights to keep that place you should have to fight to get it back. I don’t want to see anyone guaranteed to play. 

Also agree but you will have the spelin polis after you if you don't spell Demarai's surname correctly! Must keep standards up.😂

 

(Typed while wearing skiddies and vest again - but that's ok as I am on my own and I am not being introduced to 39,000 fans) 🤣

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