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10 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Amazes me how some people expect our players to have the next 12 games imprinted into their brain ready to reel off in order,

Who said that no one,he should know the next game a day or two before it kicks off, but maybe only if he’s interested in the club and gives a fuck. 

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19 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I was highlighting the difference between players who care and want to be part of the the club, they do their research because they care because they want to be part of the team which is what Rondon showed, and James didn’t because he’s not a team player if it’s not about him he doesn’t want to know, I’m shocked you would try a defend any player who plays for us not knowing who our next opponents are, unlike you and me who don’t play for the club we may forget now and then who we play next, but a player being paid millions a year should know no excuses it’s part of his job, but maybe only if you care about the club that pays your wages. 

You've totally ignored my point, and you're just making assumptions based on your prejudices.

I say again, there is zero comparison between the printed independent report of what James said, with no context attached, and the Everton TV "advertorial" of a new signing.

I get you can be upset (though I'm not) that James doesn't know who we're playing next and be impressed by the Rondon interview, but the two events are in no way comparable.

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19 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

Players and managers usually say, when interviewed, that they are looking ahead to the next game so I assume they know the opponents.

But does it matter if they don't? They'll be working on their role in the game but I can't imagine the training staff banging on about, "Burnley will do this, Burnley will do that." Opposition name is irrelevant, game plan is what matters.

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11 minutes ago, Gwlad all over said:

In my travelling working life I knew where I was going next.

Likewise but if I'd had a huge team of people in the backgound making all the arrangements so I was left to concentrate on the job in hand I'd have paid less attention.

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On 02/09/2021 at 23:35, Hafnia said:

 

Rondon: “When I go away with the national team, I’ll always say to the players, ‘I don’t care if you miss a pass or score an own goal, but I do care if you don’t put your foot in. And if you don’t put your foot in then you’ll have to fight me in the dressing-room. Win that first ball in the air.’ This is my attitude.

"The career of a footballer is too short. You have to give everything to football because football gives you everything" 

 

I like that alot. 

Just seen this but if this sums up his attitude I'm very pleased we got him in. Class.

It will be interesting to see how much he features & if he will play from time to time in a 2 with DCL.

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7 minutes ago, Aidan said:

Just seen this but if this sums up his attitude I'm very pleased we got him in. Class.

It will be interesting to see how much he features & if he will play from time to time in a 2 with DCL.

He will put some serious pressure on DCL.  Not that DCL needs motivation but all players need competition.

I honestly really liked him for WBA and Newcastle.  Proper old fashioned brute.

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3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

He will put some serious pressure on DCL.  Not that DCL needs motivation but all players need competition.

I honestly really liked him for WBA and Newcastle.  Proper old fashioned brute.

Let's hope he's still got it then. His attitude alone in the dressing room & training should give us a boost, despite what happens on the pitch. A common theme in the singings we have made. A dissapointing window in terms of overall quality - but a really good one in terms of the mentality of the players we have brought in. Maybe that's what we needed.

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

He will put some serious pressure on DCL.  Not that DCL needs motivation but all players need competition.

I honestly really liked him for WBA and Newcastle.  Proper old fashioned brute.

I remember watching him and being reminded of Henry.  It in the play style, but he always seemed to be hitting the crossbar, or rasping a shot inches wide. 
He was so close so much, that his scoring record could have been very different.

Looking forward to seeing him on the pitch. Imagine Dunc coaching him!

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20 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I remember watching him and being reminded of Henry.  It in the play style, but he always seemed to be hitting the crossbar, or rasping a shot inches wide. 
He was so close so much, that his scoring record could have been very different.

Looking forward to seeing him on the pitch. Imagine Dunc coaching him!

He's more Denis Stracqualursi than Henry. 

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I think our problem has been that we have not brought in players that have the right 'hunger' - They know that Everton will be the peak with regard to footballing level and pay packet (your Bolaise, Siggardson, Tosun types). They where never going to be on Cheslea Man U radars. Coming from lesser teams and peaking earning potential with us. 

The you have those coming in the other direction - coming down a peg perhaps from teams that may be challenging for honours with us giving them big wages. Your Schniderlin, Walcotts, Delph and even your James types.  

We have had money available and spent it pretty poorly and not looked hard enough at the attitudes and motivation of the player coming in on for these big fees and wages.

I think Benitez is a little more sharper than his most recent predecessors, when it comes to the attitude and motivation of the players he is bringing in to the club. I think Moyes was the last manager we had the would scrutinise attitude as much as he did the technical ability of the players he brought in.  And pound for pound he did very well on the money he had at his disposal. 

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55 minutes ago, Shukes said:

I remember watching him and being reminded of Henry.  It in the play style, but he always seemed to be hitting the crossbar, or rasping a shot inches wide. 
He was so close so much, that his scoring record could have been very different.

Looking forward to seeing him on the pitch. Imagine Dunc coaching him!

High praise comparing him to Henry but he is definitely a far better player than credited for. 

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25 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

You not rate him at all? 

I didn't say that, really not watched him enough to properly judge, but Henry was among the best in the World in his generation. Rondon has played for West Brom and Newcastle and had a strike rate of a goal every four games when last in England so different planet, not writing him off and I hope he does well obviously.

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21 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I didn't say that, really not watched him enough to properly judge, but Henry was among the best in the World in his generation. Rondon has played for West Brom and Newcastle and had a strike rate of a goal every four games when last in England so different planet, not writing him off and I hope he does well obviously.

Fair enough.  Yeah I think he will be very good for us.  Fan favourite - I'm serious. 

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1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

High praise comparing him to Henry but he is definitely a far better player than credited for. 

Not comparing the players mate. 
Just from watching him, he reminded me a young Henry…. The one that got into so many good positions…. But then missed by an inch.

For Newcastle Rondon hit some powerful shots that had the keeper beat, but missed by an inch. He was almost a very good player all the time.

Henry became a world class player. Rondon could become a pretty good player for us if he pulls that inch back.

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22 hours ago, patto said:

I know he’s not fit yet but I’m worried he won’t get fit enough for the Premier League surely young Ellis Simms will offer more, Rondon  couldn’t possibly start against Villa. 
I believe he has a 2 year contract that’s mind blowing. 

I am so baffled by this. Over the 4/5 years we haven’t had a striker to come on and look after the ball and get us playing up the pitch - we have that now.

Simms can probably run the channels better but Richarlison can do that and DCL does it great. 

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1 minute ago, johnh said:

Steve, you're not on the same drink as Biden are you?😁

In all seriousness, my brother was involved in planning arrivals for world leaders in Cornwall for the recent conference there. Biden arrived after 1am, shook hands and greeted people, took an hour-long limo ride to St. Ives, and was interviewed at 7am with other leaders. My brother was genuinely impressed by the guy's stamina. Mind you, maybe he thought he was in Florida!

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4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

He's not played in months.  Ideally he wouldn't be playing now but for DCL injury.  

And Richarlison. I was expecting to him be used in the last 10/15 minutes of a game to see out a win, not starting 3 games within a week. 

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11 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Are there no such things as training sessions?  It's truly embarrassing to see him on the pitch right now.

It's called match fitness for a reason.

Unless mid season training is as  competitive and intense as football matches - which they aren't, the body will not adapt. 

Neither he or Sims have match fitness.  

Rondon will get there quickly.  Despite this being repeated many times over the years by managers and players people seem to think mid season training is enough. It's not. 

If DCL wasn't injured, Rondon would have been playing under 23 matches and coming on for last 10 minutes till he got fit. 

 

 

 

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Haf is spot on, I doubt Rafa would have thought that he would loose Dom so early on and need to bring Rondon in until he nearer match fitness. After the debacle with James and his reluctance to play if it was a bit cold/windy/rainy/anyotherloadofoldbollocks this lad is taking one for the team when not match fit. It was laughable at times yesterday watching him lumber about and at one point throttle a Norwich players neck, things can only get better, a goal would do him the world of good confidence wise.

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6 hours ago, Hafnia said:

It's called match fitness for a reason.

Unless mid season training is as  competitive and intense as football matches - which they aren't, the body will not adapt. 

Neither he or Sims have match fitness.  

Rondon will get there quickly.  Despite this being repeated many times over the years by managers and players people seem to think mid season training is enough. It's not. 

If DCL wasn't injured, Rondon would have been playing under 23 matches and coming on for last 10 minutes till he got fit. 

 

 

 

Then why isn't Rondon playing with the U-23s? Other older players have done that to gain fitness. He's simply nowhere near the standard needed to be playing with the first team.

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2 hours ago, Wiggytop said:

Haf is spot on, I doubt Rafa would have thought that he would loose Dom so early on and need to bring Rondon in until he nearer match fitness. After the debacle with James and his reluctance to play if it was a bit cold/windy/rainy/anyotherloadofoldbollocks this lad is taking one for the team when not match fit. It was laughable at times yesterday watching him lumber about and at one point throttle a Norwich players neck, things can only get better, a goal would do him the world of good confidence wise.

Yes, it was laughable. Worse, it was embarrassing. We should never put ourselves in such a position.

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9 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Then why isn't Rondon playing with the U-23s? Other older players have done that to gain fitness. He's simply nowhere near the standard needed to be playing with the first team.

He can’t be playing with the U23s whilst he’s needed as cover, as others have said not an ideal situation but needs must, we’re lucky it’s not cold windy or raining😉

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1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Then why isn't Rondon playing with the U-23s? Other older players have done that to gain fitness. He's simply nowhere near the standard needed to be playing with the first team.

You are aware that we don't have a match fit striker aren't you?  

What do you propose? 

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Can't quite understand the criticism of Rondon in a blue just yet.  Going to need at least another 3-4 weeks to be at the fitness level needed to be fully effective in Premiership. He is essentially only on pre-season. Even after players have had a proper pre season - It take a good 3-4 game before they are match fit. 

With no others available to play then it is a case of making best do with what you can put out on the pitch, even when its not ideal - don't quite understand the gripe about it, especially when it worked out OK and we comfortably took the 3 points. 

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

I can't believe we don't have someone better in the U-23 squad. 

Ellis Simms is on the bench but he too is lacking match fitness after injury.

Clearly benitez thinks Rondon is the best option and if he has to play one into fitness it makes sense to go with experience. 

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43 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

Can't quite understand the criticism of Rondon in a blue just yet.  Going to need at least another 3-4 weeks to be at the fitness level needed to be fully effective in Premiership. He is essentially only on pre-season. Even after players have had a proper pre season - It take a good 3-4 game before they are match fit. 

With no others available to play then it is a case of making best do with what you can put out on the pitch, even when its not ideal - don't quite understand the gripe about it, especially when it worked out OK and we comfortably took the 3 points. 

 

 

No doubt a bit of it is cos we got rid of Rodriguez.  Not sure how this fits but if it is also in relation to Moise kean then the same applies ...... Don't wanna be here - off you go. 

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2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

There is needing match fitness and then there is Rondon's performances so far.

Take any footballer that's not played competitive football in 5 months and you will see a seriously off pace player. 

He's someone who relies on athletic edge to make his mark.  

Far too much criticism coming his way. Ridiculous.  

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4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Take any footballer that's not played competitive football in 5 months and you will see a seriously off pace player. 

He's someone who relies on athletic edge to make his mark.  

Far too much criticism coming his way. Ridiculous.  

Not really ridiculous. Just because there's a valid excuse doesn't excuse the fact he's been shit and worse than expected.

I still think he'll be capable backup, but he is not there yet and by the time he's halfway up to speed, DCL should be fit again. Hopefully. 

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