Nathan Patterson

[Btay]

Pinpoint cross for the goal. He is very quick as well.

[Palfy]

21 minutes ago, Btay said:

Pinpoint cross for the goal. He is very quick as well.

Get Benitez back he will play him Dunc will go for the safe option

[Romey 1878]

42 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Get Benitez back he will play him Dunc will go for the safe option

He didn’t play him though. 

[Palfy]

5 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

He didn’t play him though. 

True I know but I think It was coming very soon, he didn’t even make the bench against Villa what’s that about. 

[Btay]

I think he might be in line for a start in the cup. Not sure if it’s been mentioned above but he only played an hour. 

[Romey 1878]

If he doesn't play any part against Boreham Wood then I can't see him getting any game time this season.

[Haiku]

Did we overpaid massively for a kid not yet ready to play first team football? He wasn't first choice at Rangers as well... 

[Vranny]

1 hour ago, Haiku said:

Did we overpaid massively for a kid not yet ready to play first team football? He wasn't first choice at Rangers as well... 

Rangers first choice right back Tavernier is their captain and arguably best player, so I’m not sure if that’s a massive strike against him.

He’s also come into a team battling relegation (while also trying to displace another captain!), so not exactly ideal for him to get pressure free game time.

I think with Patterson we’ll realistically need to wait a couple of years before we can start writing off/worrying about his transfer. He’s only 20, so he needs to be afforded the same patience as a youth player trying to break through. Everyone knows we’ve needed a young right back like him to ease game time from Coleman for years, but the young lad can’t help that situation!

[FairWooney]

Hopefully he does get to play in the FA Cup game and can put in a good performance.

I don't see Lampard wanting to drop the experience of Coleman often at the moment, if we can pull ourselves away from the current messy position he may feel he can give Patterson a game or two to show what he can do and get valuable experience.

Preseason will be big for him to stake his claim in the side.

Hopefully Kenny can continue to impress and we can have 2 young right backs pushing each other for that spot.

[Bailey]

You only had to watch a couple of the videos of him to see he is very much a raw talent. 

He seems to have a solid all round game and a good head on his shoulders, so once he is settled and ready for this level, I can see him being a good signing. He will just need time, as will Mykolenko. 

It was a strange time to bring in two lads who arguably need time to get up to speed when we sold our only other left back abd have a right back that will fall apart soon. 

[StevO]

I think so many fans hyped his arrival, many who just wanted Coleman out of the team (and I don’t mean anyone on TT just social media in general), and expected him to get straight in. It was never going to happen. 
Hopefully he will be our right back for ten years, but for now there is no need to rush him. I trust Frank, and if he trust Seamus then so be it. 

[dunlopp9987]

4 minutes ago, StevO said:

I think so many fans hyped his arrival, many who just wanted Coleman out of the team (and I don’t mean anyone on TT just social media in general), and expected him to get straight in. It was never going to happen. 
Hopefully he will be our right back for ten years, but for now there is no need to rush him. I trust Frank, and if he trust Seamus then so be it. 

I also think Coleman has played relatively well since Frank has come in. He's obviously not the player he used to be, but he's doing a job

[Romey 1878]

34 minutes ago, StevO said:

I think so many fans hyped his arrival, many who just wanted Coleman out of the team (and I don’t mean anyone on TT just social media in general), and expected him to get straight in. It was never going to happen. 
Hopefully he will be our right back for ten years, but for now there is no need to rush him. I trust Frank, and if he trust Seamus then so be it. 

I expected him to have made his debut by now tbh. 

[London Blue]

29 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

I expected him to have made his debut by now tbh. 

Too much pressure on a young player who is still raw. Plus Seamus is Captain and leadership counts for allot.

 

[Romey 1878]

11 minutes ago, London Blue said:

Too much pressure on a young player who is still raw. Plus Seamus is Captain and leadership counts for allot.

 

Not really sure why that means Coleman can’t have been subbed off. You’re not telling me 4 up against Brentford at home and 3 up at home to Leeds isn’t comfortable enough? There’s no pressure there whatsoever. 

[StevO]

1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said:

I expected him to have made his debut by now tbh. 

I did too. 

[Matt]

8 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Not really sure why that means Coleman can’t have been subbed off. You’re not telling me 4 up against Brentford at home and 3 up at home to Leeds isn’t comfortable enough? There’s no pressure there whatsoever. 

Are you serious? This is Everton were talking about!

[Wall Writer]

Didn't see the first half yesterday. How did he do?

[Shukes]

He did well mate.

His passing was surprisingly accurate for his age. Got to the line a few times and pulled some good balls back. Looked very comfortable.

[Romey 1878]

4 hours ago, Wall Writer said:

Didn't see the first half yesterday. How did he do?

Very confident on the ball and, like Shukes says, his passing was very good.

I was surprised to see him come off at half-time before the awful JJK (first half) and Townsend (whole game). 

[Btay]

He has serious pace. Looks very good going forward. Wouldn’t mind him being used the same way Coleman was integrated to the first team all those years ago.

[plaidharper]

5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Very confident on the ball and, like Shukes says, his passing was very good.

I was surprised to see him come off at half-time before the awful JJK (first half) and Townsend (whole game). 

Felt it was harsh to see Patterson removed at half because I thought he played well but the system had to change. Tactics over emotions and have to say Frank got it right leaving JJK on.  JJK was my MOTM.  So if not Patterson, then maybe Townsend? (he played poorly even though he did put in the cross for the second goal) The whole team did not play well and goals were only going to come crosses out wide.  If I was in that position I would have probably taken Patterson off as well.  Good 45 mins under his belt now.  His time will come. 

[Wiggytop]

Played well in the 45 mins he got IMO, unlucky to be pulled, but it was due to tactics not his play, I can see him getting more minutes once we’re safe, Coleman and JJK doing a decent job on either side atm.

[Bailey]

Unsurprisingly I thought he was decent enough in deeper positions on the ball but lacked a bit of quality when it became serious.

Overall, he did what I would have expected him to do against that level of opposition but nothing more.

[Palfy]

Regardless of the competition you are playing your technical ability doesn’t change whether it’s good enough is a different matter, I was quite impressed with his first touch his passing in the way he always looked to keep the ball moving on the ground, he plays with his head up and didn’t panic when defending with long balls up to no one, he always managed to find a pass so we kept possession of the ball. I think Lampard will be happy that he’s got someone who can play and look after the ball. 

[Gwlad all over]

I expect to see him sometime on Monday, done enough I think.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolgecko.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nathan-patterson-everton-frank-lampard-23291786

[Romey 1878]

If this lad is deemed worse than JJK and Coleman then he must be really, really shit.

[Btay]

Needs to play for his energy alone. Coleman is finish - all sentiments about how lovely the bloke is have to put aside.

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, Btay said:

Needs to play for his energy alone. Coleman is finish - all sentiments about how lovely the bloke is have to put aside.

It shouldn't be underestimated just how much motivation he'll have to prove a point if he is given an opportunity.

I like Lampard but I really feel he's handling this particular issue all wrong.

[Bailey]

I don't understand why Coleman is the wing back and Kenny was the 3rd CB? 

I don't like the idea generally but I would have it the other way around every day of the week and then its much easier to bring on Patterson for Kenny when we need a bit more at the end of the game.

 

[Btay]

36 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I don't understand why Coleman is the wing back and Kenny was the 3rd CB? 

I don't like the idea generally but I would have it the other way around every day of the week and then its much easier to bring on Patterson for Kenny when we need a bit more at the end of the game.

 

Same - Coleman could do that Azpelicuta ( spelling ) role and is probably more suited to that then playing wing back. Kenny has put some decent crossed in of late as well. Head scratcher though 

[Btay]

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

It shouldn't be underestimated just how much motivation he'll have to prove a point if he is given an opportunity.

I like Lampard but I really feel he's handling this particular issue all wrong.

He’s in a hard spot - If we a solid centre back partner ship I think he would have brought him in games ago for Coleman.

Problem is Mina is made of glass and Keane has fallen apart at the worst time - leaving us with Holgate who we all know is rubbish so naturally we need some experience in the back line. It’s an absolute cluster fuck though.

[Romey 1878]

16 minutes ago, Btay said:

He’s in a hard spot - If we a solid centre back partner ship I think he would have brought him in games ago for Coleman.

Problem is Mina is made of glass and Keane has fallen apart at the worst time - leaving us with Holgate who we all know is rubbish so naturally we need some experience in the back line. It’s an absolute cluster fuck though.

I'm not sure it would have been any different - he's not even picking him on the bench.

[Bailey]

19 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I'm not sure it would have been any different - he's not even picking him on the bench.

I can only imagine that is because he has two right backs on the pitch already. 

You can question the quality of those right backs but it makes more sense to just have one left back on the bench, especially when we are playing 4 at the back.

 

[Btay]

On 14/03/2022 at 09:36, Romey 1878 said:

I'm not sure it would have been any different - he's not even picking him on the bench.

True mate I didn’t even take notice and just assumed he was. Maybe with Jonjo being suspended and Coleman being Coleman he might get his chance… cannot be any worse than what we have seen of late

[RPG]

3 hours ago, Btay said:

True mate I didn’t even take notice and just assumed he was. Maybe with Jonjo being suspended and Coleman being Coleman he might get his chance… cannot be any worse than what we have seen of late

If Frank sticks with a back 3 v Newcastle then Patterson could be involved from the bench I think. JJK is suspended and who knows if Keane or DCL will be selected or not. So:

                          Pickford

             Holgate  Keane  Godfrey  (or Holgate  Godfrey  Branthwaite)

Gordon  Allan  Doucoure D V D Beek Mykolenko

                    Gray  Richarlison

 

Patterson on the bench would give the option of going to a back four (sub for Holgate and back four of Patterson  Keane  Godfrey  Mykolenko in a 4-4-2) or replacing Gordon if we are winning and just need a more defensive minded wing back. Allan sits deep and shieds the defence.

[Btay]

Can anyone remember the last time we played the same defence for a period of 5+ games? This is our issue and it’s not helping any of the lads at the back. I’m not saying the last lot we put out are the answer but I think we need to try and keep some familiarity between them.

[RPG]

22 minutes ago, Btay said:

Can anyone remember the last time we played the same defence for a period of 5+ games? This is our issue and it’s not helping any of the lads at the back. I’m not saying the last lot we put out are the answer but I think we need to try and keep some familiarity between them.

I do agree but when we have such issues with form (Keane, Holgate, Coleman), fitness (Godfrey, Mina) and suspensions (JJK) then it is an impossible task. Even if all our defenders were fit and on form, who would get into our defence? I have no clear idea. We need a complete clear out of our defence in the summer but, somehow, we have to first get enough points to survive with the personnel that we have. For that we need character and leadership as much as anything and that is what we are woefully short of.

[FairWooney]

I think it's unlikely that he starts on Thursday but think there's a good chance he plays him in the cup which would be a sensible thing to do if he's not hugely confident in him based on what he's seen in training.

Ideally he'd get 90 minutes in the cup this time though.

I think that he'd probably be best at the moment played in a 5 as it would allow him to make the most of his attacking ability whilst having a decent bit of cover to help him out at the back.

[RPG]

7 minutes ago, FairWooney said:

I think it's unlikely that he starts on Thursday but think there's a good chance he plays him in the cup which would be a sensible thing to do if he's not hugely confident in him based on what he's seen in training.

Ideally he'd get 90 minutes in the cup this time though.

I think that he'd probably be best at the moment played in a 5 as it would allow him to make the most of his attacking ability whilst having a decent bit of cover to help him out at the back.

I'd put him on the bench on Thursday (probably have to as JJK is suspended) and hope that the game is safe with about 15 minutes to go (who am I kidding?) so that he can have a decent run out ahead of a start at Palace.

[Romey 1878]

4 hours ago, RPG said:

If Frank sticks with a back 3 v Newcastle then Patterson could be involved from the bench I think. JJK is suspended and who knows if Keane or DCL will be selected or not. So:

                          Pickford

             Holgate  Keane  Godfrey  (or Holgate  Godfrey  Branthwaite)

Gordon  Allan  Doucoure D V D Beek Mykolenko

                    Gray  Richarlison

 

Patterson on the bench would give the option of going to a back four (sub for Holgate and back four of Patterson  Keane  Godfrey  Mykolenko in a 4-4-2) or replacing Gordon if we are winning and just need a more defensive minded wing back. Allan sits deep and shieds the defence.

This persistence with 3 at the back with countless managers is going to be the death of me. It's shit.

Actually, it's not shit but we can't play it effectively.

[RPG]

2 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

This persistence with 3 at the back with countless managers is going to be the death of me. It's shit.

Actually, it's not shit but we can't play it effectively.

I agree. I'm not endorsing 3 at the back, just trying to second guess how Frank might set up. I much prefer a back four with Allan patrolling just in front of them at the base of a midfield diamond.

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, RPG said:

I agree. I'm not endorsing 3 at the back, just trying to second guess how Frank might set up. I much prefer a back four with Allan patrolling just in front of them at the base of a midfield diamond.

Oh I know you weren't (I don't think many fans actually want us to play it), it was aimed at all these managers that keep doing it.

I understand them wanting to give it a go but once they've seen that it doesn't work for us they need to just fuck it off. And when it gets there fuck it off some more!

[Bailey]

I also dont agree that 5 at the back suits an attacking full back. Sure there are examples where it does suit them but they tend to be really good footballers (James / Alonso spring to mind) and they tend to play for teams that see a lot of the ball.

The reason why a lot of full backs aregood attacking full backs is because they come from deep with a wider player of some sorts ahead of them. When you play as a wing back, they are naturally higher up the pitch and more likely to be marked, giving them less space to do what makes them so good in the first place. 

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolgecko.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steve-clarke-nathan-patterson-everton-23401369

[Hafnia]

Look at this and tell me Patterson wouldn’t show neves on to his left foot and offer him a race? Wtf is Coleman doing, fuckin joke.

Special mention to doucs and Alli for their ‘token’ efforts there. 

 

[Bailey]

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Look at this and tell me Patterson wouldn’t show neves on to his left foot and offer him a race? Wtf is Coleman doing, fuckin joke.

Special mention to doucs and Alli for their ‘token’ efforts there. 

 

I think this is harsher on Coleman than it is the other two.

Doucoure simply cannot take himself out of the game like that. This is Premier League football not U12s. 

You dont see it very well on that clip but as soon as Neves is away Coleman has an immediate 2 v 1 to defend. He gets himself completely stuck in the middle of Neves and Marcal but he draws Neves inside where there should be cover. 

That cover is Dele Alli. A snowman on the equator would have offered more of an obstacle than him. Neves just saunters into the space he couldnt be arsed to cover. He is a waste of space if I am honest and not the type of player we need in a battle.

Holgate has to hold his position. Donny also ambles back on his line to goal instead of trying to narrow the angle which I find surprising. Its a recovery run of someone who is tiring. 

Coleman, who by this point is almost back into position, gets caught ball watching whilst Marcal cuts in front of him and then gives up on it as it gets to the byline. I think he could have made that little bit of extra effort to cover the angle.

Thankfully its a shit cross. 

That attack was 3 Wolves players v 7 Everton players and we got away with it because of a bad cross.

Whether Patterson would have done better or not I dont know because as soon as it goes 2 v 1 against Coleman with no cover inside he is in trouble. Its not like Patterson is quicker than Coleman but I would hope he would have a bit more energy late in the game to have maybe got himself back in. 

The biggest culprits are Doucoure and Alli but Coleman also doesn't do anything. He had the hardest situation to deal with of the three of them. Donny could have done more too. 

[Hafnia]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

I think this is harsher on Coleman than it is the other two.

Doucoure simply cannot take himself out of the game like that. This is Premier League football not U12s. 

You dont see it very well on that clip but as soon as Neves is away Coleman has an immediate 2 v 1 to defend. He gets himself completely stuck in the middle of Neves and Marcal but he draws Neves inside where there should be cover. 

That cover is Dele Alli. A snowman on the equator would have offered more of an obstacle than him. Neves just saunters into the space he couldnt be arsed to cover. He is a waste of space if I am honest and not the type of player we need in a battle.

Holgate has to hold his position. Donny also ambles back on his line to goal instead of trying to narrow the angle which I find surprising. Its a recovery run of someone who is tiring. 

Coleman, who by this point is almost back into position, gets caught ball watching whilst Marcal cuts in front of him and then gives up on it as it gets to the byline. I think he could have made that little bit of extra effort to cover the angle.

Thankfully its a shit cross. 

That attack was 3 Wolves players v 7 Everton players and we got away with it because of a bad cross.

Whether Patterson would have done better or not I dont know because as soon as it goes 2 v 1 against Coleman with no cover inside he is in trouble. Its not like Patterson is quicker than Coleman but I would hope he would have a bit more energy late in the game to have maybe got himself back in. 

The biggest culprits are Doucoure and Alli but Coleman also doesn't do anything. He had the hardest situation to deal with of the three of them. Donny could have done more too. 

Why would Coleman show a right footed player with a cannon for a shot who can pick a pass for fun inside where he can pick a shot or pass, rather than show him outside to cross on his weaker foot?

yeah I see the doucs and Alli bit and it’s complete shite but I can not understand why Coleman shows a player on to his stronger foot. 
 

shite after shite

[Bailey]

4 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Why would Coleman show a right footed player with a cannon for a shot who can pick a pass for fun inside where he can pick a shot or pass, rather than show him outside to cross on his weaker foot?

yeah I see the doucs and Alli bit and it’s complete shite but I can not understand why Coleman shows a player on to his stronger foot. 
 

shite after shite

Firstly I would say he is on the half way line so its less important to show him onto his wrong foot than it would be if he was closer to goal. 

Secondly I would say Coleman probably wasn't worrying about his footedness in that moment. He is probably thinking, shit I have one player wide and running past me and I have another with the ball in the clear. If Doucoure / Alli were disciplined Coleman would have turned Neves inside and they would have been in position to stop the attack straight away. 

Generally I think its criminal that an opposing midfielder can have that much space to run into in the heart of our midfield. Games are won or lost in midfield and ours was completely AWOL. 

[Hafnia]

9 hours ago, Bailey said:

Firstly I would say he is on the half way line so its less important to show him onto his wrong foot than it would be if he was closer to goal. 

Secondly I would say Coleman probably wasn't worrying about his footedness in that moment. He is probably thinking, shit I have one player wide and running past me and I have another with the ball in the clear. If Doucoure / Alli were disciplined Coleman would have turned Neves inside and they would have been in position to stop the attack straight away. 

Generally I think its criminal that an opposing midfielder can have that much space to run into in the heart of our midfield. Games are won or lost in midfield and ours was completely AWOL. 

Alli and doucs did what Gomes gets slated for. 
 

I would hope lampard and co had this on tape and ripped into them. 

[Hafnia]

Man of the match in scotlands match tonight, 

[MikeO]

4 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

Man of the match in scotlands match tonight, 

Rangers season ticket holder friend of mine is absolutely incandescent with rage/disbelief that he's not playing for us.

[Btay]

Lads obviously good enough to at least be better than our current options at right back. 

[Hafnia]

27 minutes ago, MikeO said:

Rangers season ticket holder friend of mine is absolutely incandescent with rage/disbelief that he's not playing for us.

The run he did was sensational. 
 

 

[Romey 1878]

Absolute madness that he’s not even getting minutes from the bench.

Kenny has shown he’s shite for the most part, and Coleman is so far past his best he’s got e.coli.

[Romey 1878]

9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

The run he did was sensational. 
 

 

Why the fuck would anyone play Kenny or Coleman at RWB over this lad?! I can understand not playing him in a 4 at the back but it's so fucked up not to use him when we go with 3 CB's. That's when you need an attacking player - Coleman just doesn't have the legs for it and Kenny makes Hibbert look adventurous.

Lampard's handling of him is bizarre and is pissing me off a bit to be honest. "He's not ready" looks to be a load of bollocks whenever anyone actually gets to see him play. He might be raw, and he might make mistakes, but the other two look shite and make mistakes. Poland are a very decent international side and he was ready to play against them. And if he really isn't ready, how the hell is he ever going to get ready when he's not featuring at all? He doesn't even get games in the U23s!

[Hafnia]

The only reason I get this is because lampard sees Coleman as a leader… that’s it.
 Do I think Coleman is a leader?  No.  I think he’s a prefect not a captain. Think of the average Joe school captain, nice short back and sides, clean shoes, good grades, puts the cones out, gives a team talk with his dad looking on proudly….. even rolls his sleeves up to give a message! 
 

we’ve all seen this? Or is it just me….. whereas you get some right gnarly sod who is always in detention who doesn’t give a fuck but can win football games on his own and scare the shit out of the opponents…. Gets dropped for swearing and having a go at his team mates. 

[Formby]

12 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Absolute madness that he’s not even getting minutes from the bench.

Kenny has shown he’s shite for the most part, and Coleman is so far past his best he’s got e.coli.

Seamus E. Coliman - a highly infectious bacteria found in the intestines of Everton Football Club, noted for causing stomach cramps and diarrhoea amongst the fanbase.

[Shukes]

20 hours ago, Hafnia said:

The run he did was sensational. 
 

 

Lots slating Coleman, but is he really that bad? Honestly think he lives the club and does his best. Might not be the hard bastard captain some want, but he is inspirational to a lot of young players.

Funny…. That clip above is Coleman 5 years ago.