Finn balor Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 I love the fella. He’s going to make mistakes and he will be the first to admit that. He’s walked into a shit show but if we stay up he will learn and push us on next season. MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 After the initial start, I have been a little disappointed if I am honest. That Newcastle game was as out of control as Rafa was at the end of his time here. I am not convinced that we have really improved in any area either. I like all of the vibes that are coming from him and the club, he seems like a great bloke which is a big step up on before and I do feel confident that things will improve once we are out of this mess and he has a summer to build a team more in his image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 19, 2022 Report Share Posted March 19, 2022 I think his reactions after the goal and the game sent the message that he really is committed to the task here. He takes the pain when decisions go against us which we haven't seen in a manager for a long time. Bailey, Wiggytop, London Blue and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 I have noticed a change. He simply has the players looking as if they care more. They seem to understand that they need to fight for it. To many fans listened to the commentators. Newcastle are the neutrals faves at the moment, so whoever they play gets criticised. I thought the match was very scrappy, but that we fought for everything. And that’s exactly what we need to do right now! Forget trying to play nice looking football…. Just fight for the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 14 hours ago, Bailey said: After the initial start, I have been a little disappointed if I am honest. That Newcastle game was as out of control as Rafa was at the end of his time here. I am not convinced that we have really improved in any area either. I like all of the vibes that are coming from him and the club, he seems like a great bloke which is a big step up on before and I do feel confident that things will improve once we are out of this mess and he has a summer to build a team more in his image. if anyone has chips, Bailey is always available to piss on them . Matt, Hafnia, Palfy and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: if anyone has chips, Bailey is always available to piss on them . Ffs he already pissed on mine the other night. His footy statistical software had Leeds being done….. the rest is history. bailey we need you to say we are done! I will feel better then! Bailey and Romey 1878 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 30 minutes ago, Shukes said: I thought the match was very scrappy, but that we fought for everything. And that’s exactly what we need to do right now! Forget trying to play nice looking football…. Just fight for the points. Exactly on the above. Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 14 hours ago, Bailey said: After the initial start, I have been a little disappointed if I am honest. That Newcastle game was as out of control as Rafa was at the end of his time here. I am not convinced that we have really improved in any area either. I like all of the vibes that are coming from him and the club, he seems like a great bloke which is a big step up on before and I do feel confident that things will improve once we are out of this mess and he has a summer to build a team more in his image. Bailey mate we need points at this stage of the season, in the perilous position we find ourselves in with not many games left, I personally don’t care how we get them I just know we need them. Bailey and Hafnia 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: if anyone has chips, Bailey is always available to piss on them . It is what I do best! 5 hours ago, Hafnia said: Ffs he already pissed on mine the other night. His footy statistical software had Leeds being done….. the rest is history. bailey we need you to say we are done! I will feel better then! That was the problem, I just used my eye and didn't need to consult the stats! 4 hours ago, Palfy said: Bailey mate we need points at this stage of the season, in the perilous position we find ourselves in with not many games left, I personally don’t care how we get them I just know we need them. I agree, but I will always believe good performances lead to more points. I will take anything just to survive though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, Bailey said: It is what I do best! That was the problem, I just used my eye and didn't need to consult the stats! I agree, but I will always believe good performances lead to more points. I will take anything just to survive though! Good performance’s aren’t going to come with this manager and this group of players, so don’t delude yourself that they will 4-0 away to Palace will hopefully help you see that, if we stay up it will be because of the home fans forcing the players to give everything, and not because of Lampard or performance’s of ability. Shukes, Haiku and Hafnia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Reality is the recruitment has been appalling. There’s a lot to put right. We badly badly need a a few leaders on that pitch. Palfy, Matt and rtaylor91 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Thing is it’s Lampard now trying to work miracles like a couple of managers before him, and I can’t see next season being any better, he will have no money and there won’t be a queue lining up to pay top dollar for what we have, and unfortunately he has no real understanding of what to do with a bunch of players like ours his short time in management hasn’t prepared him for a situation like ours, the timing of his appointment was all wrong. Which brings us to the biggest problem at the club Moshiri and the board, Moshiri is the reincarnation of the devil and we’ve sold our souls to him for what a new stadium, shame he couldn’t give us team good enough to play in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted March 20, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 gloves are off and he’s spot on. The bollocks he refers to is him basically calling the players gutless cowards…. Referred to allowing opponents to stroll in the box, Gomes I guess. He’s had enough of this shower. Let’s hope we manage to stay up, I think he is going to have some fun with a big red pen going through players names. he’s right about tactics…. The first 15 showed that the set up was good enough, what wasn’t good enough is the players ability to concentrate and apply themselves for any longer than that. Matt, Romey 1878, Shukes and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Exactly. Nothing wrong with how we set up, it’s just how the players fail to execute plans. Hafnia and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Just watched another lampard interview on the club site….. hes fuckin livid. Irritated like a winner would be, I watched it on a Facebook feed, very good watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 I think it is massively naive for him to say it isn't his tactics because they worked for the first however many minutes. Teams adapt. Players adapt. You see it in that second goal clear as day. The tactics fail. If he isn't happy with the players carrying out his tactics, why is he picking largely the same players every game since he has been here? I don't like BS like that. Keep it in the dressing room, don't do it in front of the camera. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 20, 2022 Report Share Posted March 20, 2022 Lampard also shouldn't forget that their first goal came from his set piece design that gave them a 4 v 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Hafnia said: Reality is the recruitment has been appalling. There’s a lot to put right. We badly badly need a a few leaders on that pitch. And we're already missing one of the few we have: Allan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Bailey said: Lampard also shouldn't forget that their first goal came from his set piece design that gave them a 4 v 3. You are absolutely right - "if" he instructed the players to be so rigid as to not react to a spare man then not only would I expect him to resign, but I would question how someone so tactically thick made such a career from being so positionally aware that he scored more goals than any midfielder in the prem. The reality is - he would not have told the players to "have 3 if they have 4"..... he will give a framework, not an absolute instruction - it is for the players to adapt it. This is not rocket science, these players have been taught this since they were 8 year of age. Does lampard tell them not to track runners, does he tell players to allow a man to get goalside of them? These are things I am seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWooney Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 I can see where he's coming from but he's not totally blameless and should be careful with laying into the players every week. The team did start brilliantly with great intensity but how long the players could carry that on following a long later tough match against Newcastle. Once they scored we struggled to work our way back in and maybe lacked another plan that didn't involve that same intensity. Gordon as a left wing back worked great going forward but probably no so good at the back and it would have put more pressure on the defenders to spread themselves thing, especially when Iwobi came on though by that point it was pretty much over. The second half I'd say was pretty disappointing in that I never felt we really did much to push Palace and we seemed pretty resigned to defeat from a very early stage. Admittedly Palace played some very good football at times, managed play well and play some very good attacking football as well with quick skillful players that we struggled to deal with. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted March 21, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, FairWooney said: I can see where he's coming from but he's not totally blameless and should be careful with laying into the players every week. The team did start brilliantly with great intensity but how long the players could carry that on following a long later tough match against Newcastle. Once they scored we struggled to work our way back in and maybe lacked another plan that didn't involve that same intensity. Gordon as a left wing back worked great going forward but probably no so good at the back and it would have put more pressure on the defenders to spread themselves thing, especially when Iwobi came on though by that point it was pretty much over. The second half I'd say was pretty disappointing in that I never felt we really did much to push Palace and we seemed pretty resigned to defeat from a very early stage. Admittedly Palace played some very good football at times, managed play well and play some very good attacking football as well with quick skillful players that we struggled to deal with. Thing is mate - he's not laid into the players every week. He defended them after the Wolves game when other managers may have questioned them. He is regularly quoted as saying "that's my responsibility" when it comes to coaching, motivating etc. "responsibility and ownership" are two words we hear from Lampard all the time. My assessment of Lampard is this - he is one of the most self aware footballers I have seen and the fact he speaks English and does so very well is a huge plus. There is no mixed message - this is a player who had the ordeal of being sat listening to a fan point blankly telling his uncle Harry that he was not good enough and was the beneficiary of nepotism..... Redknapp's response was legendary - "let me tell you now, this lad will go right to the very top". Redknapp knew that Lampard outworked everyone even though he may not be the most talented. The lad broke his leg at 18 and had his own fans cheering as he was stretchered off - he came back, earned a move to Chelsea and the rest is history. There is no way whatsoever he will not learn from mistakes - he will no doubt be analysing everything, but he will not allow players to continue to produce less effort than he afforded himself. Isaiah, FairWooney, StevO and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MikeO Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, MikeO said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60829600 Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60829600 Too slow Dunc. duncanmckenzieismagic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted March 21, 2022 Report Share Posted March 21, 2022 13 hours ago, Hafnia said: You are absolutely right - "if" he instructed the players to be so rigid as to not react to a spare man then not only would I expect him to resign, but I would question how someone so tactically thick made such a career from being so positionally aware that he scored more goals than any midfielder in the prem. The reality is - he would not have told the players to "have 3 if they have 4"..... he will give a framework, not an absolute instruction - it is for the players to adapt it. This is not rocket science, these players have been taught this since they were 8 year of age. Does lampard tell them not to track runners, does he tell players to allow a man to get goalside of them? These are things I am seeing. Of course he set them up to defend the set piece that way. As I said in the other thread, we were playing a mix of man and zonal so there is only so many players to go around. If you take one of the zonal players you then create another problem as there is a zone unprotected. Are the players then to work out which zone is best to be left open? Course not, they set up as instructed, which they did. Whilst I agree about Lampard being positionally aware in an attacking sense, he was never known as that in a defensive capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted March 22, 2022 Report Share Posted March 22, 2022 On 21/03/2022 at 21:52, duncanmckenzieismagic said: https://www.givemesport.com/87986727-everton-major-update-emerges-on-frank-lampards-goodison-future And we why the eff would we do that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 Franks made mistakes no doubt but I think we can at least understand the style he wants us to play. There’s a direction in that sense and it is “Everton” type football. Unfortunately, the players heads are so far gone and it’s reflective in their performances/ability. We have amassed a squad of players who are okay in some aspects but have glaring weaknesses of which teams are exposing. I can’t think of a player in our team who is a “complete” player or is excellent enough in certain aspects to cover their weaknesses ( Pickford and maybe Richarlison are the closest in my opinion ) StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Btay said: Franks made mistakes no doubt but I think we can at least understand the style he wants us to play. There’s a direction in that sense and it is “Everton” type football. Unfortunately, the players heads are so far gone and it’s reflective in their performances/ability. We have amassed a squad of players who are okay in some aspects but have glaring weaknesses of which teams are exposing. I can’t think of a player in our team who is a “complete” player or is excellent enough in certain aspects to cover their weaknesses ( Pickford and maybe Richarlison are the closest in my opinion ) Top and bottom of it is bar Gordon, Richarlison and maybe Pickford the players generally have no professional pride. Simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted March 24, 2022 Report Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Hafnia said: Top and bottom of it is bar Gordon, Richarlison and maybe Pickford the players generally have no professional pride. Simple as that. Gordon’s been exceptional for his breakout year and age but his final third play needs work. Once the goals and assists come he will be lethal next season though and fingers crossed he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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