Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, Sibdane said: Frank did say he would look to the kids more -- maybe this evidence that's he's been working with them. I hope we have a look at Warrington in a league game. If he doesn't look ready then we can loan him out before the window closes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I hope we have a look at Warrington in a league game. If he doesn't look ready then we can loan him out before the window closes. He's had a lot of hype around him from the ITKs. Frank seems to rate him too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Just now, Sibdane said: He's had a lot of hype about him from the ITKs. Frank seems to rate him too. When I spoke to a Tranmere fan I know they were impressed with him. Said that like any young player he had games when he couldn't really get into it, but when he played well he played very well. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Second half was much better in terms of organisation and application, but we really struggled to create chances throughout. That isn't a new problem and it's something that is only going to be solved, or at least improved, in the transfer market. I hope something is well on the way to happening in that regard or the season is going to be one hard slog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 What was the final score? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, Goodison Glory said: What was the final score? 2-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Pre-season. I'm not so worried. This is all about learning. Nothing counts until we play Chelsea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 First game back against a team that ate i to their third ore season game. We did ok. We do competed in the first half and created a few good chances. Conceded two sloppy goals. First in particular should have been cut out easily. Second half was kids against kids, but the lads out there did well. Overall the players looked a bit sharper than usual for the first game back. Evident that we need some creativity desperately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 6 hours ago, Sibdane said: He's had a lot of hype around him from the ITKs. Frank seems to rate him too. Mate watches Tranmere all over. Very clued up on players, really rated the lad. Basically was their midfield, got a bit of everything, far too good for their level. Bare in mind many lads Warringtons age struggle with the physicality of that league, he stood out a mile. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 At least it sounds like the 2nd half was an improvement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 https://www.evertonfc.com/news/2680542/lampard-hails-everton-youngsters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Overall I was disappointed with last nights performance although there were some positives. Nothing new though and all the same issues from last season. I can't see any training that's had any effect on the issues from last season. Main points for me were: 1) With the players we have 5 at the back simply doesn't work. The fullbacks don't push up, we end up with a flat back 5 and the only way we can get the ball up front is a long ball as the midfield are outnumbered. 2) Nkounkou and Holgate can't defend - they simply aren't good enough for Everton or even the premiership. I think they both have the ability, but the brains needed to know where you should be positioning yourself, awareness of where the oppostion are and not getting caught ball watching and losing your man. They seem to have no ability to be able to improve in this area and repeat this same mistake time and time again. 3) Deli can't play in that formation and simply is lazy and poor and tracking back (I would have expected top see a big change here for me - but no evidence whatsoever from last night) . To me he can only play one role and that the Cahill type Attacking Midfielder role. Plays down the middle, not on the wing at all, joins late in the box. If you're playing 5 at the back, there is no role for him. 4) Our central midfield is just...... so shocking it's not true. I don't think any of the 4 central midfielders that played, made a forward pass. Warrington may have made a few early in the second half. The first half was dreadful in this area. Sideways and backwards only in the first half. Both Dacoure and and Davies alwatys received the ball with their back to the opposition goal, never on the half turn, never picked out a forward pass to Deli, Gray or DCL. This was in part that both Gray and Deli were always standing behind Arsenal player, not finding space to receive a ball etc. 5) Gordon and Iwobi showed they are a class above Gray and Deli. If only Iwobi could cross, he would be a world beater in this new found form of his. Both of them transformed the attack in the second half, turning their player, running at players. Just the final ball letting them down. Well that and talentless, headless chicken Rondon was ahead of them. ROndon put the effort in to be fair, but he's just got nowhere near enough quality about him. 6) Tarkowski was awesome. Leadership personified, barking positional orders. Made sure he rectified the one mistake he made. Showed the rest of our defenders how it should be done and definitely what we've been missing. Played well with Keane, although Keane did make his usual switch off mistake and got caught the wrong side of the attacker on a couple of occasions. 7) Micky was also fantastic at left back. If he gets injured, we're screwed at left back. 8. I thought all the young lads were fantastic. Really impressed with Stanley Mills (thought he played better than Patterson at RB). Overall, nothing new really learnt. We desperately need a complete new Centre Midfield and a back-up striker. I don't understand where Deli fits our team in terms of role. We are f**ked if we have a few key injuries next season as we have no squad depth at all. Palfy and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 Didn’t expect much from this and by the looks of the highlights it was about that. 3 at the back is tricky, you need the right kind of defenders for it and I don’t think we have them. Mina, Tarkowski & Keane all can probably only play that central spot due to their lack of mobility. We also don’t have 2 midfielders capable of locking down the middle. Regardless, I hope Lampard finds something that works and we settle on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 17, 2022 Report Share Posted July 17, 2022 3 hours ago, Trigger said: Overall I was disappointed with last nights performance although there were some positives. Nothing new though and all the same issues from last season. I can't see any training that's had any effect on the issues from last season. Main points for me were: 1) With the players we have 5 at the back simply doesn't work. The fullbacks don't push up, we end up with a flat back 5 and the only way we can get the ball up front is a long ball as the midfield are outnumbered. 2) Nkounkou and Holgate can't defend - they simply aren't good enough for Everton or even the premiership. I think they both have the ability, but the brains needed to know where you should be positioning yourself, awareness of where the oppostion are and not getting caught ball watching and losing your man. They seem to have no ability to be able to improve in this area and repeat this same mistake time and time again. 3) Deli can't play in that formation and simply is lazy and poor and tracking back (I would have expected top see a big change here for me - but no evidence whatsoever from last night) . To me he can only play one role and that the Cahill type Attacking Midfielder role. Plays down the middle, not on the wing at all, joins late in the box. If you're playing 5 at the back, there is no role for him. 4) Our central midfield is just...... so shocking it's not true. I don't think any of the 4 central midfielders that played, made a forward pass. Warrington may have made a few early in the second half. The first half was dreadful in this area. Sideways and backwards only in the first half. Both Dacoure and and Davies alwatys received the ball with their back to the opposition goal, never on the half turn, never picked out a forward pass to Deli, Gray or DCL. This was in part that both Gray and Deli were always standing behind Arsenal player, not finding space to receive a ball etc. 5) Gordon and Iwobi showed they are a class above Gray and Deli. If only Iwobi could cross, he would be a world beater in this new found form of his. Both of them transformed the attack in the second half, turning their player, running at players. Just the final ball letting them down. Well that and talentless, headless chicken Rondon was ahead of them. ROndon put the effort in to be fair, but he's just got nowhere near enough quality about him. 6) Tarkowski was awesome. Leadership personified, barking positional orders. Made sure he rectified the one mistake he made. Showed the rest of our defenders how it should be done and definitely what we've been missing. Played well with Keane, although Keane did make his usual switch off mistake and got caught the wrong side of the attacker on a couple of occasions. 7) Micky was also fantastic at left back. If he gets injured, we're screwed at left back. 8. I thought all the young lads were fantastic. Really impressed with Stanley Mills (thought he played better than Patterson at RB). Overall, nothing new really learnt. We desperately need a complete new Centre Midfield and a back-up striker. I don't understand where Deli fits our team in terms of role. We are f**ked if we have a few key injuries next season as we have no squad depth at all. I can't comment about the 2nd half but I agree with everything you have said about the first. Our midfield being outnumbered was a huge problem. Doucoure and Davies werent really sure whether to drop or press, the centre backs were the same and it just created space for the Arsenal players. Although when our two did press, Arsenal on the whole could easily play through them with a quick bit of movement. Regarding the defending of Holgate and Niels, I would completely agree but I also have big concerns about Godfrey. He was all over the shop and he just doesnt look alert enough. There is a switch inside him that needs to be flicked because he isnt getting the most out of his talent. I have the same concerns about Alli too. He is one of those players that falls in the game changer / liability category and there is very little middle ground. I also don't like the way you see him sulking around at the other players, instead of giving them better instruction. He plays like he has a chip on his shoulder but rather than spur him on, it weighs him down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Trigger said: Overall I was disappointed with last nights performance although there were some positives. Nothing new though and all the same issues from last season. I can't see any training that's had any effect on the issues from last season. Main points for me were: 1) With the players we have 5 at the back simply doesn't work. The fullbacks don't push up, we end up with a flat back 5 and the only way we can get the ball up front is a long ball as the midfield are outnumbered. 2) Nkounkou and Holgate can't defend - they simply aren't good enough for Everton or even the premiership. I think they both have the ability, but the brains needed to know where you should be positioning yourself, awareness of where the oppostion are and not getting caught ball watching and losing your man. They seem to have no ability to be able to improve in this area and repeat this same mistake time and time again. 3) Deli can't play in that formation and simply is lazy and poor and tracking back (I would have expected top see a big change here for me - but no evidence whatsoever from last night) . To me he can only play one role and that the Cahill type Attacking Midfielder role. Plays down the middle, not on the wing at all, joins late in the box. If you're playing 5 at the back, there is no role for him. 4) Our central midfield is just...... so shocking it's not true. I don't think any of the 4 central midfielders that played, made a forward pass. Warrington may have made a few early in the second half. The first half was dreadful in this area. Sideways and backwards only in the first half. Both Dacoure and and Davies alwatys received the ball with their back to the opposition goal, never on the half turn, never picked out a forward pass to Deli, Gray or DCL. This was in part that both Gray and Deli were always standing behind Arsenal player, not finding space to receive a ball etc. 5) Gordon and Iwobi showed they are a class above Gray and Deli. If only Iwobi could cross, he would be a world beater in this new found form of his. Both of them transformed the attack in the second half, turning their player, running at players. Just the final ball letting them down. Well that and talentless, headless chicken Rondon was ahead of them. ROndon put the effort in to be fair, but he's just got nowhere near enough quality about him. 6) Tarkowski was awesome. Leadership personified, barking positional orders. Made sure he rectified the one mistake he made. Showed the rest of our defenders how it should be done and definitely what we've been missing. Played well with Keane, although Keane did make his usual switch off mistake and got caught the wrong side of the attacker on a couple of occasions. 7) Micky was also fantastic at left back. If he gets injured, we're screwed at left back. 8. I thought all the young lads were fantastic. Really impressed with Stanley Mills (thought he played better than Patterson at RB). Overall, nothing new really learnt. We desperately need a complete new Centre Midfield and a back-up striker. I don't understand where Deli fits our team in terms of role. We are f**ked if we have a few key injuries next season as we have no squad depth at all. Was at the match and pretty much agree with all of this. Warrington was probably my stand out youth player though. Was always looking for the ball. Also, constantly moving when he didn't have it to get into better positions. Wasn't a perfect performance from him but miles better than the other 3 that played in that position (Gbamin, Doucs, and Davies). Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted July 18, 2022 Report Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 17/07/2022 at 10:31, Trigger said: Overall I was disappointed with last nights performance although there were some positives. Nothing new though and all the same issues from last season. I can't see any training that's had any effect on the issues from last season. Main points for me were: 1) With the players we have 5 at the back simply doesn't work. The fullbacks don't push up, we end up with a flat back 5 and the only way we can get the ball up front is a long ball as the midfield are outnumbered. 2) Nkounkou and Holgate can't defend - they simply aren't good enough for Everton or even the premiership. I think they both have the ability, but the brains needed to know where you should be positioning yourself, awareness of where the oppostion are and not getting caught ball watching and losing your man. They seem to have no ability to be able to improve in this area and repeat this same mistake time and time again. 3) Deli can't play in that formation and simply is lazy and poor and tracking back (I would have expected top see a big change here for me - but no evidence whatsoever from last night) . To me he can only play one role and that the Cahill type Attacking Midfielder role. Plays down the middle, not on the wing at all, joins late in the box. If you're playing 5 at the back, there is no role for him. 4) Our central midfield is just...... so shocking it's not true. I don't think any of the 4 central midfielders that played, made a forward pass. Warrington may have made a few early in the second half. The first half was dreadful in this area. Sideways and backwards only in the first half. Both Dacoure and and Davies alwatys received the ball with their back to the opposition goal, never on the half turn, never picked out a forward pass to Deli, Gray or DCL. This was in part that both Gray and Deli were always standing behind Arsenal player, not finding space to receive a ball etc. 5) Gordon and Iwobi showed they are a class above Gray and Deli. If only Iwobi could cross, he would be a world beater in this new found form of his. Both of them transformed the attack in the second half, turning their player, running at players. Just the final ball letting them down. Well that and talentless, headless chicken Rondon was ahead of them. ROndon put the effort in to be fair, but he's just got nowhere near enough quality about him. 6) Tarkowski was awesome. Leadership personified, barking positional orders. Made sure he rectified the one mistake he made. Showed the rest of our defenders how it should be done and definitely what we've been missing. Played well with Keane, although Keane did make his usual switch off mistake and got caught the wrong side of the attacker on a couple of occasions. 7) Micky was also fantastic at left back. If he gets injured, we're screwed at left back. 8. I thought all the young lads were fantastic. Really impressed with Stanley Mills (thought he played better than Patterson at RB). Overall, nothing new really learnt. We desperately need a complete new Centre Midfield and a back-up striker. I don't understand where Deli fits our team in terms of role. We are f**ked if we have a few key injuries next season as we have no squad depth at all. A pretty fair assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dunlopp9987 Posted July 20, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 It's Matchday here in Minnesota! Gonna look a right fool in all the Everton/MNUFC gear I'll be sporting. Scarves for both sides, hats for both sides, but only wearing the blue kit tonight London Blue, MikeO, Btay and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said: It's Matchday here in Minnesota! Gonna look a right fool in all the Everton/MNUFC gear I'll be sporting. Scarves for both sides, hats for both sides, but only wearing the blue kit tonight Enjoy it mate! Hope we start to see an indication of who’s going to play and how we are going to play. Would like to see what Lampard thinks is his stronger XI for the first half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted July 20, 2022 Report Share Posted July 20, 2022 Played a really great video package before the match with Inchy. Must be special for him to be coaching against Everton plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Worrying that Tom Davies is struggling against an MLS side. Also everyone left their finishing boots at home. COYBS!! London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Keane OG. plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Michael Keane will cost us goals this season just like he is tonight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 This is hard to be at. Keane not only with an OG, had a slip earlier that almost cost us. We look absolutely inept out there plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Good Grief... Maybe we can convince Inchy to suit up for us again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Patterson looks alright. Besides that, no one else deserves to be on the pitch. Doucs is slow and sloppy, Dom is isolated up top with little to no service, and the less said about Michael fucking Keane the better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Worrying that Tom Davies is struggling against an MLS side. Also everyone left their finishing boots at home. COYBS!! Tom Davies has played well, been our best player. plaidharper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 1 minute ago, London Blue said: Tom Davies has played well, been our best player. Not sure what game you are watching. MLS side were able to trap us in with a high press. He should walking through these. Get Warrington on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 Well that was pretty damn bad. It's going to be a rough season, and we're going to need to be patient with Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted July 21, 2022 Report Share Posted July 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, plaidharper said: Not sure what game you are watching. MLS side were able to trap us in with a high press. He should walking through these. Get Warrington on. He has been our best passer by a mile, their goals have come on the break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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