Ben Brereton Diaz

[Hafnia]

We will get him for free next summer. 

[Matt]

8 hours ago, Hafnia said:

We will get him for free next summer. 

I'm hoping for less than 10 in January, don't want to go a full season with 1 striker (poacher really)

[Romey 1878]

9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

We will get him for free next summer. 

 

48 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'm hoping for less than 10 in January, don't want to go a full season with 1 striker (poacher really)

I don't think we'll move for him at all. By the sounds of things Lampard wasn't that keen on him.

[Matt]

46 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

 

I don't think we'll move for him at all. By the sounds of things Lampard wasn't that keen on him.

That's fine so long as we get 1 starter in January 

[Romey 1878]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

That's fine so long as we get 1 starter in January 

Hopefully they're already making plans now.

I've done it to myself again . I just don't learn!

[Btay]

9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Hopefully they're already making plans now.

I've done it to myself again . I just don't learn!

Hopefully DCL, Maupay & Rondon can do the job until January and we get a real quality forward in to compete with DCL/Maupay and then push on for that 4th spot….

[Hafnia]

Only got 11 league games till window opens. 

[Romey 1878]

12 hours ago, Btay said:

Hopefully DCL, Maupay & Rondon can do the job until January and we get a real quality forward in to compete with DCL/Maupay and then push on for that 4th spot….

When Lampard mentioned Rondon in his pre-red shite press conference like he was some sort of after thought I had a little chuckle  . 

[Formby]

12 hours ago, Btay said:

Hopefully DCL, Maupay & Rondon can do the job until January and we get a real quality forward in to compete with DCL/Maupay and then push on for that 4th spot….

Hopefully so, but I have my doubts about DCL staying fit and Maupay filling in. Not getting a bona fide CF in is a massive gamble. 

[London Blue]

Having thought about it, Maupay is a good signing, he is a good player, technically he is very good, as you would expect playing in a Brighton Team, he is good at finding space and working defenders. Plus his hold up play is effective as he can take the ball to feet at pace really well. 

I am happy with him as a back up / alternative, he is a good player

[MikeO]

1 hour ago, London Blue said:

Having thought about it, Maupay is a good signing, he is a good player, technically he is very good, as you would expect playing in a Brighton Team, he is good at finding space and working defenders. Plus his hold up play is effective as he can take the ball to feet at pace really well. 

I am happy with him as a back up / alternative, he is a good player

That reads like you're trying to make yourself believe what you say

[London Blue]

2 hours ago, MikeO said:

That reads like you're trying to make yourself believe what you say

I always take time to consider the evidence 

[SpartyBlue]

On 03/09/2022 at 04:19, Formby said:

Hopefully so, but I have my doubts about DCL staying fit and Maupay filling in. Not getting a bona fide CF in is a massive gamble. 

I’m not sure why you say that. He’s got very good CF experience in the league at 26 and has been solid. He’s just a different type of striker. We don’t have another target man if that’s what you mean but not so long to January if we decide that’s needed. 

[StevO]

48 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

I’m not sure why you say that. He’s got very good CF experience in the league at 26 and has been solid. He’s just a different type of striker. We don’t have another target man if that’s what you mean but not so long to January if we decide that’s needed. 

We do have another target man. Unfortunately that man is Rondon. 

[SpartyBlue]

10 minutes ago, StevO said:

We do have another target man. Unfortunately that man is Rondon. 

Indeed. It’s hard to see someone coming to be our 3rd who isn’t a young player at this point (like Diaz). No 10+ goal premier league striker is coming to us to be a 2/3 in my opinion. 

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, StevO said:

We do have another target man. Unfortunately that man is Rondon. 

I keep seeing people saying (not here, thankfully) Rondon would've finished the chance Maupay didn't and it makes me laugh.

Taking out that Rondon has missed sitters, there's not a chance in hell that opportunity even arises if Rondon is playing. Not only would he not have been involved in the build up but he then wouldn't have been able to carry on and be there to have the shot because he'd have been gasping for breath somewhere nowhere the goal.

[Formby]

On 04/09/2022 at 17:32, SpartyBlue said:

I’m not sure why you say that. He’s got very good CF experience in the league at 26 and has been solid. He’s just a different type of striker. We don’t have another target man if that’s what you mean but not so long to January if we decide that’s needed. 

Because he doesn't score enough goals. The last three seasons, he scored 8, 8 and 10. We need more. 

[SpartyBlue]

9 minutes ago, Formby said:

Because he doesn't score enough goals. The last three seasons, he scored 8, 8 and 10. We need more. 

Who could we get to come to us and be a backup that would score more? Per 90 he’s somewhere around 1 in 3 with decent assist numbers. The only realistic option we seemed to have is Diaz who has zero experience in the league. Looks a decent prospect after scoring 22 in the championship. Guess what, Maupay scored 25 down there. 
It’s been a long time since we’ve had a second option better than Maupay. I would say he’s comparable to Naismith. 

[Matt]

1 hour ago, Formby said:

Because he doesn't score enough goals. The last three seasons, he scored 8, 8 and 10. We need more. 

We do, but I'd be confident he gets that being a support/backup striker on top of DCLs and the rest. 

[Formby]

1 hour ago, SpartyBlue said:

Who could we get to come to us and be a backup that would score more? Per 90 he’s somewhere around 1 in 3 with decent assist numbers. The only realistic option we seemed to have is Diaz who has zero experience in the league. Looks a decent prospect after scoring 22 in the championship. Guess what, Maupay scored 25 down there. 
It’s been a long time since we’ve had a second option better than Maupay. I would say he’s comparable to Naismith. 

I think you have said it all here.

[Formby]

29 minutes ago, Matt said:

We do, but I'd be confident he gets that being a support/backup striker on top of DCLs and the rest. 

I hope so! But, as my OP made clear, I worry about DCL staying fit, which puts the load on our 'second option' forward. I think it's a gamble. 

[SpartyBlue]

5 minutes ago, Formby said:

I hope so! But, as my OP made clear, I worry about DCL staying fit, which puts the load on our 'second option' forward. I think it's a gamble. 

Why is it a gamble? He’s been a solid striker in the league for years and is a good age. It’s less of a gamble than anyone since Naismith.

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Formby said:

I hope so! But, as my OP made clear, I worry about DCL staying fit, which puts the load on our 'second option' forward. I think it's a gamble. 

It's only a gamble if our game-plan for goals revolves around DCL again, and we saw how well that went with the previous manager. We've got a Naismith type player so 8-10 goals is a good start plus he can play that false nine in a front 3 of Gordon Maupay Gray. Drop back a bit and collect, draws a CB out of position or constantly on their toes creating space. He's very resourceful tactically and that'll benefit the wide forwards or DCL, whichever situation we're in. He's there to indirectly create goals, if that makes sense, and convert some chances too. 

[Formby]

50 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said:

Why is it a gamble? He’s been a solid striker in the league for years and is a good age. It’s less of a gamble than anyone since Naismith.

Not sure what you want me to add that I haven't already clearly stated! You yourself described him as a 'second option' forward. 

[Formby]

53 minutes ago, Matt said:

It's only a gamble if our game-plan for goals revolves around DCL again, and we saw how well that went with the previous manager. We've got a Naismith type player so 8-10 goals is a good start plus he can play that false nine in a front 3 of Gordon Maupay Gray. Drop back a bit and collect, draws a CB out of position or constantly on their toes creating space. He's very resourceful tactically and that'll benefit the wide forwards or DCL, whichever situation we're in. He's there to indirectly create goals, if that makes sense, and convert some chances too. 

Yes, I understand what you're saying but, as I say, I worry about DCL staying fit. I think it's a gamble relying on a second option forward. I hope I'm wrong. 

[Matt]

24 minutes ago, Formby said:

Yes, I understand what you're saying but, as I say, I worry about DCL staying fit. I think it's a gamble relying on a second option forward. I hope I'm wrong. 

I worry about it too, but I'm confident that we don't necessarily have a backup plan, we have an alternative plan.

[Bailey]

3 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

Who could we get to come to us and be a backup that would score more? Per 90 he’s somewhere around 1 in 3 with decent assist numbers. The only realistic option we seemed to have is Diaz who has zero experience in the league. Looks a decent prospect after scoring 22 in the championship. Guess what, Maupay scored 25 down there. 
It’s been a long time since we’ve had a second option better than Maupay. I would say he’s comparable to Naismith. 

I think you have to take some of those numbers with a pinch of salt putting him into this side, compared to Brighton. 

One side struggles to create and the other created plenty.

The other thing about the Naismith comparison, which is a good one, is that we had Lukaku banging 15+ and then others like Ross, Geri etc chipping in here and there. 

If Dom comes back, stays fit and in form and does score a good amount of goals then great, Maupay can chip in. If he doesn't Maupay is going to need to score 10-15 this season and he only score 10 in his best season down South at a more attacking club. 

I think this is a signing that if all goes to plan, can work out really well as a different option and again, I think you can see the logic.

If it doesn't go to plan, i.e. Dom doesn't stay fit, we could be left wondering where the next goal is coming from. 

[Goodison Glory]

Had to scroll up quite a bit for a Diaz comment - classic TT

i didn't want Maupay but I was actually pleasantly surprised by his contribution. Yes he should've buried the 1on1.

[Matt]

29 minutes ago, Goodison Glory said:

Had to scroll up quite a bit for a Diaz comment - classic TT

i didn't want Maupay but I was actually pleasantly surprised by his contribution. Yes he should've buried the 1on1.

Who?

[SpartyBlue]

7 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think you have to take some of those numbers with a pinch of salt putting him into this side, compared to Brighton. 

One side struggles to create and the other created plenty.

The other thing about the Naismith comparison, which is a good one, is that we had Lukaku banging 15+ and then others like Ross, Geri etc chipping in here and there. 

If Dom comes back, stays fit and in form and does score a good amount of goals then great, Maupay can chip in. If he doesn't Maupay is going to need to score 10-15 this season and he only score 10 in his best season down South at a more attacking club. 

I think this is a signing that if all goes to plan, can work out really well as a different option and again, I think you can see the logic.

If it doesn't go to plan, i.e. Dom doesn't stay fit, we could be left wondering where the next goal is coming from. 

I agree with most of your points here. I guess what I’m asking is who could we get to come here and be #2 this window who would provide more? Diaz isn’t clearly better as someone with far less experience. As mentioned, Maupay scored 25 at that level before they came up. I just don’t see how we would sell Everton to someone above Maupay’s level. Would have to be a younger player we take a bit of a gamble on who develops into better. 

[Goodison Glory]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

Who?

What?

[Bailey]

23 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

I agree with most of your points here. I guess what I’m asking is who could we get to come here and be #2 this window who would provide more? Diaz isn’t clearly better as someone with far less experience. As mentioned, Maupay scored 25 at that level before they came up. I just don’t see how we would sell Everton to someone above Maupay’s level. Would have to be a younger player we take a bit of a gamble on who develops into better. 

Yeh very good point, its hard trying to sign back ups because when they are almost resigned to being number 2. 

That is part of the reason why I say you can see the logic behind it. It makes sense and hopefully it works out that way. 

I think the one piece we are missing is that promising striker in the ranks coming through and trying to make a name for themselves. It could be Simms/Dobbin in a seasons time so again would signing someone else now make sense? 

Overall it shows how important Richarlison was as he could cover two positions.

[Cornish Steve]

On 06/09/2022 at 18:30, Goodison Glory said:

What?

When?

[SpartyBlue]

21 hours ago, Bailey said:

Yeh very good point, its hard trying to sign back ups because when they are almost resigned to being number 2. 

That is part of the reason why I say you can see the logic behind it. It makes sense and hopefully it works out that way. 

I think the one piece we are missing is that promising striker in the ranks coming through and trying to make a name for themselves. It could be Simms/Dobbin in a seasons time so again would signing someone else now make sense? 

Overall it shows how important Richarlison was as he could cover two positions.

Kean was an attempt at this but he came with the idea he’d walk into bring #1 it seemed and through a fit when he wasn’t. Another advantage of the biggest clubs is young talents are happy to come to sit on their benches.

[Bailey]

2 hours ago, SpartyBlue said:

Kean was an attempt at this but he came with the idea he’d walk into bring #1 it seemed and through a fit when he wasn’t. Another advantage of the biggest clubs is young talents are happy to come to sit on their benches.

He did come from playing at Juventus so I don't think it was quite the same situation!

[SpartyBlue]

1 hour ago, Bailey said:

He did come from playing at Juventus so I don't think it was quite the same situation!

Right, it gave him the idea that he was going to walk in here and start.

[Romey 1878]

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-ben-brereton-diaz-transfer-25117778

[RuffRob]

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/06/everton-seriously-pushing-to-sign-blackburn-rovers-striker-ben-brereton-diaz/

I think we missed the opportunity with BBD in the summer. Given how high Blackburn are in the Championship, he is now Blackburn's best chance of getting Premiership football next season.  As a Blackburn fan you would do your nut if the club let him go when you are sitting third in the Championship at the half way point of the season. 

I would really like him here, but think we have missed the boat.

 

 

 

[RPG]

3 hours ago, RuffRob said:

https://www.goodisonnews.com/2023/01/06/everton-seriously-pushing-to-sign-blackburn-rovers-striker-ben-brereton-diaz/

I think we missed the opportunity with BBD in the summer. Given how high Blackburn are in the Championship, he is now Blackburn's best chance of getting Premiership football next season.  As a Blackburn fan you would do your nut if the club let him go when you are sitting third in the Championship at the half way point of the season. 

I would really like him here, but think we have missed the boat.

 

 

 

I can't see any player agreeing to join us until our manager situation has been resolved. A statement from the board would go some way to providing reassurance to transfer targets but the continued silence is damaging.

[Bailey]

I watched him in one game and didn't really see it.

Very small sample size though

[StevO]

He won’t be leaving Blackburn in this window. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

16 hours ago, RPG said:

I can't see any player agreeing to join us until our manager situation has been resolved. A statement from the board would go some way to providing reassurance to transfer targets but the continued silence is damaging.

A vote of confidence usually leads to an imminent sacking anyway!

[RPG]

35 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

A vote of confidence usually leads to an imminent sacking anyway!

I know. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t but a statement along the lines of, ‘the board has no plans to change managers and has made funds available for the acquisition of new players in the Jan window’ would maybe help. 

[Formby]

32 minutes ago, RPG said:

I know. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t but a statement along the lines of, ‘the board has no plans to change managers and has made funds available for the acquisition of new players in the Jan window’ would maybe help. 

You think the pusilanimous bunch of toadies who 'run' our club have the backbone for something like that? They haven't a clue what to do. 

[Shukes]

The moment you tell the world you have a transfer kitty is the second teams put prices up.

Im pretty sure that if we talk to targets that cost money… they are smart enough to realise we have money to spend. I would also 100% expect the transfer team to be selling players a plan, not just that particular sale.

[Shukes]

If not, get them to hire me as I must be genius!

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

https://www.footballtransfertavern.com/everton-fc-news/everton-premier-league-ben-brereton-diaz-frank-lampard-transfer-news-updates/

[Romey 1878]

 

[RuffRob]

I really can't understand why we didn't go all out for him in the summer - over the likes of Maupay. 

[Shukes]

5 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I really can't understand why we didn't go all out for him in the summer - over the likes of Maupay. 

Been watching him since we’ve been interested. Have to say…. Don’t see what the deal is. Admittedly only three matches. Prefer the lad from Coventry any day.

[Bailey]

7 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I really can't understand why we didn't go all out for him in the summer - over the likes of Maupay. 

A proven Premier League forward who has scored 8-10 goals in the last three seasons over an unproven one with nothing that obviously exciting about him. 

I also think he predominantly plays off the left for Blackburn so wouldnt be like-for-like either.

Also dont forget Maupay scored well in the Championship too. 

I think you could see the sense in signing Maupay if we were going to play to his strengths. But we don't. Im not sure we would play to BBD's strengths either and we would probably be saying "why didnt we go for Maupay instead".

[chicagoblue]

3 hours ago, Bailey said:

A proven Premier League forward who has scored 8-10 goals in the last three seasons over an unproven one with nothing that obviously exciting about him. 

I also think he predominantly plays off the left for Blackburn so wouldnt be like-for-like either.

Also dont forget Maupay scored well in the Championship too. 

I think you could see the sense in signing Maupay if we were going to play to his strengths. But we don't. Im not sure we would play to BBD's strengths either and we would probably be saying "why didnt we go for Maupay instead".

BBD seems way more a Dom stand in than Maupay though.  Maupay for me only makes sense if the plan was to play him and Dom and that's so wildly optimistic I can't believe we ever planned that. 

[Bailey]

11 hours ago, chicagoblue said:

BBD seems way more a Dom stand in than Maupay though.  Maupay for me only makes sense if the plan was to play him and Dom and that's so wildly optimistic I can't believe we ever planned that. 

Yeh to be fair my nan is more of a Dom stand in than Maupay. Such a bizarre decision.

[Romey 1878]

It's done for him to sign for Villarreal according to Romano.