SpartyBlue Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Bailey said: That isn't too different to supermarkets. They always put the essentials at the back of the store so that you have to walk passed everything else to get there in the hope that you will pick something else up as you go through. Its also why they put the sweets and chocolates and other things kids like by the tills, one because of the pulling power of a moaning child and two because us adults aren't much better either! Ultimately whether its a brewery, a car showroom, a casino, a supermarket, or Sally that works the street corners they are all trying to get you to part with your cash. If they can find a way to do it they will do. Yep. In supermarkets companies pay more to have their stock at eye level. In casinos it’s layout, free drinks, pretty women, air conditioning, even pumping a bit of oxygen into the room so you stay alert and gambling. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 14, 2022 Report Share Posted June 14, 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61799274 Nothing wrong here at all. I believe the correct adjective is insidious. Cornish Steve, MikeO, Palfy and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 Looks like we will be looking for new sponsors the government are actually doing the right thing for once, and banning gambling companies from being promoted on shirts, apparently this will be brought in next month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 4 minutes ago, Palfy said: Looks like we will be looking for new sponsors the government are actually doing the right thing for once, and banning gambling companies from being promoted on shirts, apparently this will be brought in next month. Where did you see that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Matt said: Where did you see that? I think it was originally a bbc article then read it today in a OneFootball article saying it looks like the government will pass the decision before the end of this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 They may pass the decision, but legally it will be tough to bring in changes with immediate effect without a few court battles and appeals. Half of the premier league will have an issue and combined that’s a lot of pressure. They may pass it with a start date of a couple of years down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msloan78 Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 I'd imagine the ruling would be for no new gambling sponsorships. Once the current ones run their course, you're done. Matt, StevO and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeO Posted June 19, 2022 Popular Post Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 1 hour ago, msloan78 said: I'd imagine the ruling would be for no new gambling sponsorships. Once the current ones run their course, you're done. A little worried that you're plugging a financial institution yourself, is msloan a cover for MS Loan, charging 999% APR for borrowing twenty quid? Need to know. msloan78, Romey 1878, Palfy and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted June 19, 2022 Report Share Posted June 19, 2022 3 hours ago, StevO said: They may pass the decision, but legally it will be tough to bring in changes with immediate effect without a few court battles and appeals. Half of the premier league will have an issue and combined that’s a lot of pressure. They may pass it with a start date of a couple of years down the line. Yeah, my understanding was that they were pushing it through ASAP but would only come into effect in 2-3 years. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 20, 2022 Report Share Posted June 20, 2022 10 hours ago, MikeO said: A little worried that you're plugging a financial institution yourself, is msloan a cover for MS Loan, charging 999% APR for borrowing twenty quid? Need to know. If its an MS Loan it'll need restarting all the time too so it doesn't constantly freeze your assets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dasrian NFFC Posted June 24, 2022 Report Share Posted June 24, 2022 Well done the 20k Evertonians who have objected to the new betting company sponsors, it’s good to see somebody taking a stand. Keep these parasites out of football, we don’t need them. Looking forward to playing you guys next season, from a Forest fan. Matt, Palfy, MikeO and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Dasrian NFFC said: Well done the 20k Evertonians who have objected to the new betting company sponsors, it’s good to see somebody taking a stand. Keep these parasites out of football, we don’t need them. Looking forward to playing you guys next season, from a Forest fan. Happy to see you guys back in the top flight. Watched you quite a bit last year and feel you have an exciting team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/everton-fc-don-t-use-our-shirt-to-advertise-harmful-gambling-products?source=rawlink&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=rawlink&share=d3e34201-232b-461c-8531-8b9a62b81e88 Think they're talking about this one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 12 hours ago, Dasrian NFFC said: Well done the 20k Evertonians who have objected to the new betting company sponsors, it’s good to see somebody taking a stand. Keep these parasites out of football, we don’t need them. Looking forward to playing you guys next season, from a Forest fan. For £10m a year, I couldn't give a shite who sponsors us. I suppose these 20,000 fans will be the same fans up in arms that we don't have funds to sign anyone - just people looking to be offended by everything and pretend to be up in arms in the name of the "club they love". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Zoo 2.0 said: For £10m a year, I couldn't give a shite who sponsors us. I suppose these 20,000 fans will be the same fans up in arms that we don't have funds to sign anyone - just people looking to be offended by everything and pretend to be up in arms in the name of the "club they love". So you would be OK with the Trump Hotel brand sponsoring us, or Russia Today, how about a debt collecting agency or the NRA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo 2.0 Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, London Blue said: So you would be OK with the Trump Hotel brand sponsoring us, or Russia Today, how about a debt collecting agency or the NRA? Are you seriously comparing a gambling company with the NRA . Not sure what the Trump Hotel brand is getting attacked for either, look like lovely places to sleep from what I've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 29 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Are you seriously comparing a gambling company with the NRA . Not sure what the Trump Hotel brand is getting attacked for either, look like lovely places to sleep from what I've seen. Both destroy lives, profit off peoples misery and misguided notions. Sure, the majority of clients are sensible people but there's a growing minority that cause suffering. Not too dissimilar. London Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said: Are you seriously comparing a gambling company with the NRA . Not sure what the Trump Hotel brand is getting attacked for either, look like lovely places to sleep from what I've seen. Both have the capacity to destroy lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Zoo 2.0 said: For £10m a year, I couldn't give a shite who sponsors us. I suppose these 20,000 fans will be the same fans up in arms that we don't have funds to sign anyone - just people looking to be offended by everything and pretend to be up in arms in the name of the "club they love". I get what your saying mate. But I would 100% prefer our club to be ran with the type of morals that went against this sort of thing. I try to teach my children to have empathy and understanding, and I do my best to surround them with like minded people. But I do get where you are coming from with a mi Keith that just want to be offended by something. Though the people on here are quite vocal in their reasoning against it…… and aren’t part of that minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Personally in an ideal world I wouldn’t want to be associated with a gambling company but we are a million miles away from an ideal world The deal is significantly better financially than anything we have had before and at a time when our financial situation is perilous both due to lost revenues from Usmanov and the millions we’ve blown in poor recruitment and then of cause the impact of Covid Also where do we draw the line, do we ban gambling in the ground? Alcohol ruins more lives than gambling, should we ban the sale of alcohol? SpartyBlue and Bailey 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Shukes said: I get what your saying mate. But I would 100% prefer our club to be ran with the type of morals that went against this sort of thing. I try to teach my children to have empathy and understanding, and I do my best to surround them with like minded people. But I do get where you are coming from with a mi Keith that just want to be offended by something. Though the people on here are quite vocal in their reasoning against it…… and aren’t part of that minority. I’m curious what you think is inherently unethical about an adult placing a bet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: I’m curious what you think is inherently unethical about an adult placing a bet? Nothing unethical about that at all, where it gets murky is in the ways these companies market and advertise their services; most bets are losing ones but you never see anyone losing and miserable about it in their ads, everyone's always quids in and having a blast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 Just now, MikeO said: Nothing unethical about that at all, where it gets murky is in the ways these companies market and advertise their services; most bets are losing ones but you never see anyone losing and miserable about it in their ads, everyone's always quids in and having a blast. Of course. They are a business trying to make a profit. Of course they are going to promote themselves in a positive way. McDonald’s doesn’t show its customers in a hospital getting a bypass from too many burgers. To that end Everton don’t put out videos of us being scored upon. Most gambling ads, in the states at least, will have some fine print about the risks of gambling and what to do about addiction in the case that someone doesn’t already know that for some reason. It just strikes me as hypocritical when the league allows you to place bets in the grounds. Not to mention advertising or sponsorships from alcohol companies or others with dubious histories. Then we have the associations of the owners.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: Of course. They are a business trying to make a profit. Of course they are going to promote themselves in a positive way. McDonald’s doesn’t show its customers in a hospital getting a bypass from too many burgers. To that end Everton don’t put out videos of us being scored upon. Most gambling ads, in the states at least, will have some fine print about the risks of gambling and what to do about addiction in the case that someone doesn’t already know that for some reason. It just strikes me as hypocritical when the league allows you to place bets in the grounds. Not to mention advertising or sponsorships from alcohol companies or others with dubious histories. Then we have the associations of the owners.. Wouldn't disagree with that, I was responding simply to your, "I’m curious what you think is inherently unethical about an adult placing a bet?" question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 1 minute ago, MikeO said: Wouldn't disagree with that, I was responding simply to your, "I’m curious what you think is inherently unethical about an adult placing a bet?" question. I understand. It’s just a fine line. I respect someone having the opinion that they don’t want it in the league but then that has some repercussions. You’d have to also outlaw alcohol related things. You might also want to take a harder look at kit makers and their business practices etc.. At the least, you’d have much less money in the league and invariably the quality of the product would suffer. I’m sure some people would be fine with that trade-off and that’s fair enough but I don’t see how you can pick and choose if you’re trying to be consistent there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 47 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: I’m curious what you think is inherently unethical about an adult placing a bet? What's unethical about an adult going the shooting range? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: I understand. It’s just a fine line. I respect someone having the opinion that they don’t want it in the league but then that has some repercussions. You’d have to also outlaw alcohol related things. You might also want to take a harder look at kit makers and their business practices etc.. At the least, you’d have much less money in the league and invariably the quality of the product would suffer. I’m sure some people would be fine with that trade-off and that’s fair enough but I don’t see how you can pick and choose if you’re trying to be consistent there. They banned tobacco advertising and alcohol sponsorships already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Matt said: What's unethical about an adult going the shooting range? Nothing in particular. I don’t like guns and I’m for gun restrictions but I’m also for law and order. I don’t find anything unethical in an adult safely practicing a legal activity in a way that doesn’t infringe on others. If you want to get into a more philosophical discussion I’ll say that guns are inherently destructive in a way that gambling, alcohol etc.. is not. The intended purpose of a firearm is to maim or kill. That’s what it’s made for. While alcohol or gambling or fatty foods can be very destructive when abused, that isn’t inherent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpartyBlue Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, Matt said: They banned tobacco advertising and alcohol sponsorships already. I’m curious since I’m not from the UK, was that a league thing or from the government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 25, 2022 Report Share Posted June 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, SpartyBlue said: I’m curious since I’m not from the UK, was that a league thing or from the government? Dunno mate. Tobacco was definitely a government thing across the country but dunno about booze. On the run at the moment hence my short replies. Connection is sketchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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