Gwlad all over Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 He could be a legend here. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Gwlad all over said: He could be a legend here. I hope so, but with the qualities he has I really can't see him staying here for long. Some top clubs will be sniffing around. The question is, how long can we keep him here for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: He was alright, I suppose... Nah, he was superb. All over the pitch and constantly trying to get the crowd going as well. The obvious player of the game. He was everywhere, winning balls out of nowhere, matching his height and strength with speed, demonstrating creativity and cleverness, and showing up all over the field. I really like how he moved further up the field, sometimes seeming to be a partner to DC-L. What a player he's going to become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 Massive for us today, absolutely a beast at both ends of the pitch. Loved his interaction with the fans, slapping the badge and pointing to the ground saying he was staying here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 he’s gonna fly under dyche. Dyche must be seriously disbelieving his eyes seeing a lad this young, mobile, physically dominant turn up to training. No disrespect to Burnley, they never had a player like this lad. Btay and Newty82 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted February 4 Author Report Share Posted February 4 8 minutes ago, Hafnia said: he’s gonna fly under dyche. Dyche must be seriously disbelieving his eyes seeing a lad this young, mobile, physically dominant turn up to training. No disrespect to Burnley, they never had a player like this lad. He's said that he's going to get Defour to speak to him and teach him. Newty82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 23 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: He's said that he's going to get Defour to speak to him and teach him. And show him the dirty side of the game. I can’t be this optimistic about Everton after just one game, but if he can get some more nasty into him and some more quality on the ball, well, he’ll probably leave, but I’ll enjoy it until then. Unbelievable performance today! Hafnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, London Blue said: Massive for us today, absolutely a beast at both ends of the pitch. Loved his interaction with the fans, slapping the badge and pointing to the ground saying he was staying here. If he plays for us with this heart like Richi did then if he leaves in the future he will go as a Goodison hero. Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted February 4 Report Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: He's said that he's going to get Defour to speak to him and teach him. Sound, the lad was captain of Liège at 19 and skippered them to title, SAF rated him big time till his injury and wanted him, We were linked with him and got felli. played in the prem when he was past his best and was a smart player. He was patched up but still Burnley’s best player by a mile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sean-dyche-bring-former-belgium-26160555 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 It was almost like he was allowed to express himself yesterday. That burst of pace and run down the line came from nowhere! Didn’t realise he had that acceleration. Then he showed technical ability with a little pirouette. This lad is Infectious. Newty82 and Bailey 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 Buzzing for him, only 21. At that age, I was dropping pills and speed. What were you upto?! Sometimes it has been too easy to forget this kid has moved to another country, settled into a new league AND played for Everton during a nightmare period. I think the critics have been too harsh too soon. BUT he can become an icon, he has that presence and attitude. Hopefully we keep pace with his development. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 It was nice to see him being allowed to be on the front foot. My biggest complaint about him in the past has been his passiveness. He was anything but on Saturday. Great performance. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted February 5 Report Share Posted February 5 13 hours ago, Shukes said: It was almost like he was allowed to express himself yesterday. That burst of pace and run down the line came from nowhere! Didn’t realise he had that acceleration. Then he showed technical ability with a little pirouette. This lad is Infectious. He glided while others sprints, it’s seriously impressive watching him move at such ease yet so fast. Sort of player that can single handily dominate a midfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoof_It_Nev Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 The way he glides around Odegaard at 2 minutes is brilliant, he stands no chance of catching him up. It's like when you see Bolt running, it almost looks effortless and that he has another gear left. Hope we can keep him fit KinL, Cornish Steve and Romey 1878 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 6 Report Share Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, Hoof_It_Nev said: The way he glides around Odegaard at 2 minutes is brilliant, he stands no chance of catching him up. It's like when you see Bolt running, it almost looks effortless and that he has another gear left. Hope we can keep him fit Frankly, he hardly put a foot wrong for the entire game. It was a brilliant performance from him. London Blue, KinL and RPG 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 Thelwell (and Lampard) deserve some credit for bringing this lad in. He is already looking a bargain, great both on and off the pitch. KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted February 7 Report Share Posted February 7 22 minutes ago, RuffRob said: Thelwell (and Lampard) deserve some credit for bringing this lad in. He is already looking a bargain, great both on and off the pitch. I think you should have mentioned Martinez in that as well, he by all accounts helped steer the lad in our direction, by telling Lampard all about his abilities, then telling Onana what a great club we are and that it would be a good move him. And all this after he was shit on by Moshiri, just proves once you have been touched by Everton the love for the club remains with you forever. Matt, RuffRob, KinL and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaidharper Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 Hope they wrap him in cotton wool. Such a strong presence for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted February 18 Report Share Posted February 18 Our best and most needed player right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted February 19 Report Share Posted February 19 He was good but missed a sitter. Should’ve at least put it on target. That said, he’s becoming crucial to us. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 So uh.........besides his physicality and work rate......what does he offer? Thought his passing was poor and the two shots he had were atrocious Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 4 Author Report Share Posted April 4 7 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: So uh.........besides his physicality and work rate......what does he offer? Thought his passing was poor and the two shots he had were atrocious I agree with all of this but the thing that most annoyed me with him tonight was how passive he was. On three occasions he received the ball and had an open field for him to run into, and instead he moved slowly forward with it for a couple of paces and then passed it off. FFS, he's a gangly bastard and if he went forward with any sort of intent he'd be away from the opposition players before they even knew what was happening. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 24 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: I agree with all of this but the thing that most annoyed me with him tonight was how passive he was. On three occasions he received the ball and had an open field for him to run into, and instead he moved slowly forward with it for a couple of paces and then passed it off. FFS, he's a gangly bastard and if he went forward with any sort of intent he'd be away from the opposition players before they even knew what was happening. Wonder if he's been given instructions from Dyche that run counter to him making those drives forward? Remember seeing those types of impressive bursts forward at the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Though his tackle did set up Gana for a great opportunity. I think he is instructed to sit and protect if I’m honest. A young lad who needs that little something to give him a spark. His shots were tame, but at least he managed to get a couple of shots in and on target. Steps. Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: 6 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said: I agree with all of this but the thing that most annoyed me with him tonight was how passive he was Me too, he backed out of a couple of tackles that he could and should have won, late in the game when we were attacking on the left side in particular. Hopefully it is the managers instructions he’s playing to, but he’s got more in his locker than we’re are seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patto Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 15 minutes ago, Wiggytop said: Me too, he backed out of a couple of tackles that he could and should have won, late in the game when we were attacking on the left side in particular. Hopefully it is the managers instructions he’s playing to, but he’s got more in his locker than we’re are seeing. Too lazy for me gets caught too often only time I seen him put real effort in was when we went down to 10 men. he thinks he’s better than he is it annoys me when he starts trying to get the fans up and he’s ponsing around midfield Wiggytop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 He is very passive, which I find odd when he goes to try and rile up the ground. I wish someone wound wind him up instead! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Like most in the team his biggest weakness is shooting, it’s woefully weak you see back passes hit with more venom than his shooting, how have we ended up with so many central midfielders that have No shooting ability. StevO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 Who needs a midfield to be able to shoot when we have Keannnooooo!!!!’ Matt, Romey 1878, Bailey and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palfy Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 A team that’s played 29 games and only scored 23 goals needs midfielders who can strike the ball and contribute with some goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 37 minutes ago, Palfy said: A team that’s played 29 games and only scored 23 goals needs midfielders who can strike the ball and contribute with some goals. Put Keano in mid then! Keano Keano scores when he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 15 minutes ago, Shukes said: Put Keano in mid then! Keano Keano scores when he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 'Ang on this is the Onana thread! Oh, never mind. Loved this, 1980? Hope the Goodison faithful adopt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 4 Report Share Posted April 4 22 hours ago, dunlopp9987 said: Wonder if he's been given instructions from Dyche that run counter to him making those drives forward? Remember seeing those types of impressive bursts forward at the beginning of the season. I think with how high Doucoure has been pushing I wouldn’t be surprised if he is shackled a bit. I would like to see him go in to Doucoure’s role with Garner coming in to move quickly forward. StevO and Matt Tiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Tiger Posted April 5 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 5 I sometimes feel like I’m watching different players than everyone else… the kid is 21 and is already winning midfield battles consistently in his first season in the league… does he have areas of weakness? Of course! But at his age he’s already fighting this relegation battle with everything he has and frequently overwhelms more established players with his size and athleticism. Maybe you can say he has too high an opinion of himself but to me he’s been massive for us. Heath, RPG, Shukes and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted April 5 Report Share Posted April 5 13 minutes ago, Matt Tiger said: I sometimes feel like I’m watching different players than everyone else… the kid is 21 and is already winning midfield battles consistently in his first season in the league… does he have areas of weakness? Of course! But at his age he’s already fighting this relegation battle with everything he has and frequently overwhelms more established players with his size and athleticism. Maybe you can say he has too high an opinion of himself but to me he’s been massive for us. Agreed. In a normal trajectory he would be getting 40 minutes or so and being mentored, he has to learn on the job. I’m concerned at the number of fans starting to pick at him. he will be an outstanding player without question, he’s a year older than Lewis Warrington who is out on loan. looking forward to seeing James garner come in. Matt, Btay, Matt Tiger and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 6 Author Report Share Posted April 6 I think he's shown glimpses of what he can do, but I wouldn't even pick him out as having been one of our top 5 players in a pretty poor season. Don't get me wrong, those glimpses have been very good and are cause for optimism (if we don't sell him this summer) but there have been more times when he's raising his arms to get the crowd going than anything he's done on the pitch. patto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 12 hours ago, Matt Tiger said: I sometimes feel like I’m watching different players than everyone else… the kid is 21 and is already winning midfield battles consistently in his first season in the league… does he have areas of weakness? Of course! But at his age he’s already fighting this relegation battle with everything he has and frequently overwhelms more established players with his size and athleticism. Maybe you can say he has too high an opinion of himself but to me he’s been massive for us. Most fans don’t see what managers see. Our midfield controlled a top five team Monday night. The manager will see this as they look for what matters in the professional world. A lot of fans won’t get the give and go’s, or the recycling. But they will start appreciating once he relaxes a bit and begins to express himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aidan Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I think we are talking about a player who will command an astronomical fee in a couple of seasons. He's on his way to becoming a world class box to box midfielder in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I think he might be a good 3-4 years from becoming world class...he'd still only be 24-25. I just hope we don't sell him in a year for say 30-40M and then he goes in another 2-3 years after that for 100M or some pogba type of crazy money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I don't see him being world class with the technique he has. Even someone like Kante, who is known for his energy and defensive ability is technically sound and makes so many good decisions on the ball. I also don't think he dominates midfield. Under Lampard we were getting run through left, right and centre, it is Dyche coming in and the combination of the 3 in midfield that has made our midfield much stronger. I really don't see a midfielder of that type going for £100mil. I know Fernandez has recently but that is just Chelsea being idiots. Rodri went for ~£60mil and I think that will be his type of limit but he still has to improve a lot to get anywhere near that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 9 hours ago, Bailey said: I don't see him being world class with the technique he has. Even someone like Kante, who is known for his energy and defensive ability is technically sound and makes so many good decisions on the ball. I also don't think he dominates midfield. Under Lampard we were getting run through left, right and centre, it is Dyche coming in and the combination of the 3 in midfield that has made our midfield much stronger. I really don't see a midfielder of that type going for £100mil. I know Fernandez has recently but that is just Chelsea being idiots. Rodri went for ~£60mil and I think that will be his type of limit but he still has to improve a lot to get anywhere near that level. He’s got a few areas he needs to polish up but at his age that’s more than expected. I’m saying that there’s a few things he is very good at. It’s his first season of proper first team football in the most competitive league - I think he has set a good benchmark and hope he continues to grow. The team & Onana would benefit from the 3rd midfielder being able to use the ball more effectively. Gueye & Onana can win it back no issues but then need to either lay it off to someone (Garner hopefully) to pick passes or Onana to drive forward. Shukes and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 15 hours ago, Btay said: Onana to drive forward. The only issue I have with him is we don’t see this enough. If he could just run forward when he gets the ball, even just ten yards, we would win so many free kicks as he would just be fouled to stop him getting away. Romey 1878, Matt, Bailey and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 6 hours ago, StevO said: The only issue I have with him is we don’t see this enough. If he could just run forward when he gets the ball, even just ten yards, we would win so many free kicks as he would just be fouled to stop him getting away. Completely agree mate, we’ve seen a couple this season (Villa & city i think?) but would love to see him do it more often. Romey 1878 and StevO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 8 Author Report Share Posted April 8 Cost us another goal through his laxness today. I really believe that dropping him would be beneficial to him and the team as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunlopp9987 Posted April 8 Report Share Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Romey 1878 said: Cost us another goal through his laxness today. I really believe that dropping him would be beneficial to him and the team as a whole. And with the way Garner has been playing, I'm fine with that KinL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 8 Author Report Share Posted April 8 8 minutes ago, dunlopp9987 said: And with the way Garner has been playing, I'm fine with that I think if he was benched for a game and then came on we'd see a completely different beast. dunlopp9987 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 He was the one that let McTominay just run off him but so many players could have stopped that first goal in the build up (including Onana). It was a real mess of a goal to concede. Btay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Btay Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 3 hours ago, Bailey said: He was the one that let McTominay just run off him but so many players could have stopped that first goal in the build up (including Onana). It was a real mess of a goal to concede. It’s really hard to track a runner in that situation when you’re actually playing. It was just a cluster fuck and a great through ball in a tight area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted April 10 Author Report Share Posted April 10 10 hours ago, Btay said: It’s really hard to track a runner in that situation when you’re actually playing. It was just a cluster fuck and a great through ball in a tight area. If Keane does that then you murder him and you know it . Bailey, Goodison Glory and StevO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 On 09/04/2023 at 23:38, Btay said: It’s really hard to track a runner in that situation when you’re actually playing. It was just a cluster fuck and a great through ball in a tight area. I massively disagree with that. The lad runs right in front of him and not even that quickly. He just has to stay tight but he switches off, gets caught ball watching and gives him a couple of yards. He does the same (ball watching) earlier in the build up too, just before he fails with the (unnecessary) slide tackle. Its really poor defensive discipline. Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted April 11 Report Share Posted April 11 3 hours ago, Bailey said: I massively disagree with that. The lad runs right in front of him and not even that quickly. He just has to stay tight but he switches off, gets caught ball watching and gives him a couple of yards. He does the same (ball watching) earlier in the build up too, just before he fails with the (unnecessary) slide tackle. Its really poor defensive discipline. Yeah Match of the Day highlighted this whole sequence. He was also guilty of running lethargically back from midfield when the ball went out wide. Bailey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 20 Author Report Share Posted May 20 No more crying for this fella to start please. Contributed fuck all today and I'll be happy just to get our money back on him whatever league we're in. Get him some pom poms so he can stand with Coady on the touchline because cheerleading is more his forte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted May 20 Report Share Posted May 20 18 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said: No more crying for this fella to start please. Contributed fuck all today and I'll be happy just to get our money back on him whatever league we're in. Get him some pom poms so he can stand with Coady on the touchline because cheerleading is more his forte. There’s been flashes of a top player but we’ve not seen them recently - very poor today. Thankfully, I think the highlight reel will bring us a healthy profit in the summer. Bailey, KinL, Romey 1878 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggytop Posted Monday at 07:46 Report Share Posted Monday at 07:46 On 20/05/2023 at 21:23, c1982 said: There’s been flashes of a top player but we’ve not seen them recently - very poor today. Thankfully, I think the highlight reel will bring us a healthy profit in the summer. Same again yesterday, he was the main cause of anger around where I sit. I’d be happy to move him on if there’s profit and reinvest in a more consistent player which we need atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted Monday at 08:22 Report Share Posted Monday at 08:22 He could end up being a top player but if he has attracted reputed interest of circa £60m then we would be wise to use that money. Sulemana could be available for a reduced fee now, I would see if we could get Tyler Adams from Leeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted Monday at 08:33 Author Report Share Posted Monday at 08:33 I wouldn't bat an eyelid at him being sold this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodison Glory Posted Monday at 09:34 Report Share Posted Monday at 09:34 I thought he did ok yesterday. He had some good runs/touches. Still not the explosive player we were hoping for. I'd be willing to give him another year and see if he settles. But if we need money and it's him or Pickford then that's an easy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted Monday at 09:50 Report Share Posted Monday at 09:50 I thought he did OK last night. It wasn't great performance for anybody to be honest, but he did the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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