The death of Queen Elizabeth II

[RPG]

14 hours ago, MikeO said:

It was yesterday, and wasn't misleading or wrong at the time, the fact that people have seen sense doesn't alter the point the presenter was making at the time; in fact it reinforces it.

Yesterday's news is today's chip wrappers.

The decision was reversed late yesterday or early today. If you think about it, the original decision could only have been made earlier this week so I think it was just a knee jerk reaction (still ridiculous, I agree) that got almost immediate second thoughts and common sense applied to it. That portion of the link is wrong and misleading now.

Edited to add that the decision was actually reversed on Tuesday. So your post and link was misleading and wrong  'yesterday' (Wednesday) when you posted it.

See:

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/center-parcs-monday-queen-funeral-b2166883.html

[Gwlad all over]

I like having a monarchy and QE has been a constant throughout my life including waving a flag outside my infant school when I was 5 and going to a Buckingham Palace Garden Party. However I think the current mourning will not be appropriate moving forward in the 21st century. 48 hours after the passing hold back, reflect etc thereafter the media can produce what they want to cover lying in state etc. but don't impinge on other general day to day happenings. Bank Holiday for the funeral so that everyone gets the chance to pay respect as they wish, should allow for all to observe or stand away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Romey 1878]

I’m not entirely sure the word evil is appropriate, or accurate, for what Cornish said.

Yeah, what he said was incorrect but evil is very strong. Surely none of you really think he’s evil?

Were you being evil, @RPG, when you said the UK relies heavily on Russian gas even though it accounts for very little of our gas supply? No, you just had it wrong.

@Shukesaside, we’re all grown ups on here and we can discuss things without that sort of language.

It’d have been more suitable to call him a dick head (or a plum for any that don’t like to swear) .

[dunlopp9987]

Fast forward to 1:45. God I love Trevor Noah.

 

[RPG]

6 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I’m not entirely sure the word evil is appropriate, or accurate, for what Cornish said.

Yeah, what he said was incorrect but evil is very strong. Surely none of you really think he’s evil?

Were you being evil, @RPG, when you said the UK relies heavily on Russian gas even though it accounts for very little of our gas supply? No, you just had it wrong.

@Shukesaside, we’re all grown ups on here and we can discuss things without that sort of language.

It’d have been more suitable to call him a dick head (or a plum for any that don’t like to swear) .

I wasn't trying to deliberately mislead anyone. Cornish was. And he was using particularly sensitive subject matter to try to do it at a time of national mourning. Evil is as good a word as any. The difference is in the intent.

Anyone can make a mistake. Cornish didn't make a mistake. He wilfully presented a misleading picture of the Duchy of Cornwall during a period of national mourning.

I think that is evil. But, yeah, thanks, dick head is also appropriate.

[Matt]

Evil : adjective

"profoundly immoral and wicked."

Errrr, no. Not even close. People disagree, debate, argue. The written format that is not real-time isn’t the easiest to get across complete and perfect messages on footballing topics, let alone sensitive material. 

Steve may not have chosen the best time, although it makes sense, but he's entitled to his views and whilst they are very clearly anti-English at times (I'm often part of the club too), it's far from evil. Disagree? Take it up with OED and meanwhile find a better adjective.

Oh, and "national" mourning? Not me. I'm trying to find information about a 9 year old girl who was shot and killed in her home, but that's nowhere to be seen in the media because a well respected, multimillionaire 96 year old died of old age in her castle. Queen gets a bank holiday, Olivia's school are going to wear the same top in memory. Ironically, I think the Queen would've much preferred that. Equality is a joke. 

I've stayed out of this so far because the monarchy means nothing to me and, frankly, the Queen would be utterly embarrassed by this whole thing. I'll likely avoid the thread after this. But She famously didn't like fuss and is well known for politely trying to understand and discuss with people of a contrary position. Take the same approach or face a time out please. 

 

[Palfy]

Good can be defined as correct, moral or pleasing. Evil can be defined as harmful, wicked or immoral, I used the word evil to describe what Steve said because I believe it fell into the category  of harmful against the monarchy and the many people who enjoy and respect the monarchy, wicked because he deliberately set out to deceive with his post, and immoral because for me he has shown a lack of morality by posting what he said in the manner in which he did, at a time of great sorrow for a family and nation in mourning, whether you are a Monarchist or Republican please try to show some decency and respect, I will be honest and say I have genuinely found that the majority of both sides of the fence have done so, which is a credit to moral compass of the British people. 

[Matt]

10 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Good can be defined as correct, moral or pleasing. Evil can be defined as harmful, wicked or immoral, I used the word evil to describe what Steve said because I believe it fell into the category  of harmful against the monarchy and the many people who enjoy and respect the monarchy, wicked because he deliberately set out to deceive with his post, and immoral because for me he has shown a lack of morality by posting what he said in the manner in which he did, at a time of great sorrow for a family and nation in mourning, whether you are a Monarchist or Republican please try to show some decency and respect, I will be honest and say I have genuinely found that the majority of both sides of the fence have done so, which is a credit to moral compass of the British people. 

I quoted the definition, harmful isn't in it. I personally find it profoundly immoral at the idea of a kids shooting being old news, not going to comment on the moral compass of the British people there...

@Cornish Steveplease try to be more understanding of the other members here in what is, for some, a sensitive time. The rest of you, move on or put him on ignore. I'll just lock the thread if this continues. No, TT isn't a democracy.

[Palfy]

2 minutes ago, Matt said:

I quoted the definition, harmful isn't in it. I personally find it profoundly immoral at the idea of a kids shooting being old news, not going to comment on the moral compass of the British people there...

@Cornish Steveplease try to be more understanding of the other members here in what is, for some, a sensitive time. The rest of you, move on or put him on ignore. I'll just lock the thread if this continues. No, TT isn't a democracy.

Harmful most definitely is in it, well it was when I looked at it on Google a few days ago before making my post, I don’t find the British people responsible for a kids shooting being old news, that is entirely down to the media who have and I agree with you wrongly forgotten what we most care about, or a majority of us at least. For me you can shut the thread down I know it isn’t a democracy and I know that the mods are Republicans, if closed you will know doubt save my eyes from the sensationalism of half truths about our Monarchy from someone who has for years shown a huge disrespect for the English and is now using the death of the Queen as another stick to beat us with. 

[Romey 1878]

With all due respect, how do you know he wilfully misled anyone? I don't think we're all privy to what Steve does or does not know about things.

@Cornish Steve, did you know the reality of things when you said what you said?

Do you know what, even if he did then I don't think that makes him evil. Every single person in here will have twisted things in an attempt to paint the picture they wanted to paint and I don't think that makes any of us evil. It makes us a bit of a cunt for a bit, but evil? No, that's ridiculous.

[Palfy]

9 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

With all due respect, how do you know he wilfully misled anyone? I don't think we're all privy to what Steve does or does not know about things.

@Cornish Steve, did you know the reality of things when you said what you said?

Do you know what, even if he did then I don't think that makes him evil. Every single person in here will have twisted things in an attempt to paint the picture they wanted to paint and I don't think that makes any of us evil. It makes us a bit of a cunt for a bit, but evil? No, that's ridiculous.

Well I won’t go on about any more other than to say my opinion is as valid as anyones and I have laid why I believe what I have written, and finally this thread should be about the Queen. 

[Romey 1878]

1 minute ago, Palfy said:

Well I won’t go on about any more other than to say my opinion is as valid as anyones and I have laid why I believe what I have written, and finally this thread should be about the Queen. 

There are a lot of queens in here, so I think it's stayed perfectly on topic for a change .

[RPG]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Evil : adjective

"profoundly immoral and wicked."

Errrr, no. Not even close. People disagree, debate, argue. The written format that is not real-time isn’t the easiest to get across complete and perfect messages on footballing topics, let alone sensitive material. 

Steve may not have chosen the best time, although it makes sense, but he's entitled to his views and whilst they are very clearly anti-English at times (I'm often part of the club too), it's far from evil. Disagree? Take it up with OED and meanwhile find a better adjective.

Oh, and "national" mourning? Not me. I'm trying to find information about a 9 year old girl who was shot and killed in her home, but that's nowhere to be seen in the media because a well respected, multimillionaire 96 year old died of old age in her castle. Queen gets a bank holiday, Olivia's school are going to wear the same top in memory. Ironically, I think the Queen would've much preferred that. Equality is a joke. 

I've stayed out of this so far because the monarchy means nothing to me and, frankly, the Queen would be utterly embarrassed by this whole thing. I'll likely avoid the thread after this. But She famously didn't like fuss and is well known for politely trying to understand and discuss with people of a contrary position. Take the same approach or face a time out please. 

 

Opinion is one thing but Steve presented half a story as the total fact to deliberately present that something was the case when he knew that it wasn't. To do that in 'normal' times and about 'normal' subjects would be immoral. To do it about the Duchy of Cornwall when the then Prince of Wales had just lost his Mother, the Queen, does make it evil. That is my opinion and my understanding of the Cambridge definition of evil (see next post) and nobody will change my mind. I have always listened to and considered opposing view points in the past but nobody is changing my mind on this issue.

This thread should be about respecting the death of a monarch. The fact that it isn't (for now) is because of anti monarchy comments that were inaccurate and which could be neither ignored nor tolerated.

But I am (now that the point has hopefully been hammered home) more than happy to get back on thread provided others do the same.

[RPG]

4 hours ago, Matt said:

Evil : adjective

"profoundly immoral and wicked."

Errrr, no. Not even close. People disagree, debate, argue. The written format that is not real-time isn’t the easiest to get across complete and perfect messages on footballing topics, let alone sensitive material. 

Steve may not have chosen the best time, although it makes sense, but he's entitled to his views and whilst they are very clearly anti-English at times (I'm often part of the club too), it's far from evil. Disagree? Take it up with OED and meanwhile find a better adjective.

Oh, and "national" mourning? Not me. I'm trying to find information about a 9 year old girl who was shot and killed in her home, but that's nowhere to be seen in the media because a well respected, multimillionaire 96 year old died of old age in her castle. Queen gets a bank holiday, Olivia's school are going to wear the same top in memory. Ironically, I think the Queen would've much preferred that. Equality is a joke. 

I've stayed out of this so far because the monarchy means nothing to me and, frankly, the Queen would be utterly embarrassed by this whole thing. I'll likely avoid the thread after this. But She famously didn't like fuss and is well known for politely trying to understand and discuss with people of a contrary position. Take the same approach or face a time out please. 

 

Cambridge definition:

evil

noun [ C or U ]

 

UK 

 

 /ˈiː.vəl/ US 

 

 /ˈiː.vəl/

 

 

B2

something that is very bad and harmful:

[Hafnia]

Let’s get things straight, if what Steve did was evil then there needs to be new words created for pieces of shit who walk the planet.

Deceitful is the correct word. Let’s not get carried away. It’s as though peteo is making a return to the forum. 

[RPG]

1 hour ago, Hafnia said:

Let’s get things straight, if what Steve did was evil then there needs to be new words created for pieces of shit who walk the planet.

Deceitful is the correct word. Let’s not get carried away. It’s as though peteo is making a return to the forum. 

It was certainly deceitful, I agree.

Sadly, the nature and timing of Steve's deceit also makes it evil (as in 'immoral and harmful' - immoral behaviour and unfairly harmful to the reputation of the Duchy of Cornwall) in my opinion. Others can think differently of course but, to me, it checks with the Cambridge definition of evil. It is also incredibly poor judgement by Steve if he thought, first, that his words wouldn't be checked out and, second, that he wouldn't get a very well deserved written tirade in response. Whether you agree with his personal views or not, he was most definitely trying to con all his fellow Evertonians who read this thread into accepting something as fact that was just not true.

Now, having tossed his written hand grenade, Steve is conspicuous only by his absence. The decent thing for Steve to do would be to acknowledge that he was bang out of order and apologise. Then we might be able to move on, as we should. Surely, the very nature of this board is that before we are monarchists or republicans or religious zealots or atheists etc, we are, above all else, Evertonians?

That does require a certain amount of latitude in 'normal' matters and the decency to apologise when a behavioural red line is crossed on a particularly sensitive subject.

In an attempt to get back on thread, the following link gives the schedule for the State Funeral together with media coverage so that those who wish to watch and pay their respects can and those who do not can enjoy their bank holiday in another way.

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a41147500/queen-elizabeth-funeral-date-time/

[MikeO]

On 16/09/2022 at 09:31, Palfy said:

Well I won’t go on about any more other than to say my opinion is as valid as anyones and I have laid why I believe what I have written, and finally this thread should be about the Queen. 

It is about the queen, more specifically about her death and people's thoughts on the event itself and the consequences of it; we have royalist and republican members and anyone is free to have their say, within reason.

If a royalist had wanted to start an "in memorium" thread where people could only write positives, they could've done so; still could in fact. Would be closed at the end of official mourning.

[Palfy]

4 minutes ago, MikeO said:

It is about the queen, more specifically about her death and people's thoughts on the event itself and the consequences of it; we have royalist and republican members and anyone is free to have their say, within reason.

If a royalist had wanted to start an "in memorandum" thread where people could only write positives, they could've done so; still could in fact. Would be closed at the end of official mourning.

Do you think people have been outside of reason? And when the Queen as been laid to rest I feel it would be respectful to close this thread in her name, and we can always start other threads if people care to discussing other royal’s and the monarchy. 

[Shukes]

Can’t believe your all making such a big deal about this point to be honest…..

Romey called me called me childish! Now that’s a big deal…. Ban him I demand! (Throws his toys out of his pram)

[MikeO]

5 minutes ago, Palfy said:

Do you think people have been outside of reason? And when the Queen as been laid to rest I feel it would be respectful to close this thread in her name, and we can always start other threads if people care to discussing other royal’s and the monarchy. 

I'll be honest Palf mate, personally I think those closest to crossing the line were those who (yourself included) thought it OK to call another member evil.

I know several members outside of TT, including Steve and yourself, and I'm not going to get into what he said; he's more than capable of defending his own corner.

But I can tell you that the man is the very antithesis of evil; put politics/religion/nationalism/royalism (or lack of) to one side, he's been a great friend to me for many years now and is one of the good guys.

[Shukes]

MikeO didn’t stick up for me though did he! 
it’s all about Steve!

[Palfy]

22 minutes ago, MikeO said:

I'll be honest Palf mate, personally I think those closest to crossing the line were those who (yourself included) thought it OK to call another member evil.

I know several members outside of TT, including Steve and yourself, and I'm not going to get into what he said; he's more than capable of defending his own corner.

But I can tell you that the man is the very antithesis of evil; put politics/religion/nationalism/royalism (or lack of) to one side, he's been a great friend to me for many years now and is one of the good guys.

I respect your honesty and opinion Mike, and also agree with your that Steve isn’t an evil man what I said or was trying to imply was that the post was evil. Matt posted his view of evil which was pretty much the same as mine, but we didn’t agree on harmful. I read that evil was something that was harmful, wicked or immoral, and I still believe his post showed that, which is not saying he is a evil but he made an evil post based on the definition supplied by Goggle. 

[Matt]

10 minutes ago, Palfy said:

I respect your honesty and opinion Mike, and also agree with your that Steve isn’t an evil man what I said or was trying to imply was that the post was evil. Matt posted his view of evil which was pretty much the same as mine, but we didn’t agree on harmful. I read that evil was something that was harmful, wicked or immoral, and I still believe his post showed that, which is not saying he is a evil but he made an evil post based on the definition supplied by Goggle. 

I didn't post my view of evil, I shared a definition. I find the concept of calling Steve, or his post, evil ridiculous and, quite frankly, offensive.

[Palfy]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

I didn't post my view of evil, I shared a definition. I find the concept of calling Steve, or his post, evil ridiculous and, quite frankly, offensive.

You are entitled to that opinion as I am mine which I clarified and used the same definition as yourself.  

[MikeO]

Whatever you view, have to give kudos to David Beckham for queueing for twelve hours rather than playing the VIP card.

[StevO]

I like seeing our resident ex-pats arguing about things that go on over here. 

Steve, RPG, you both left, shut your mouths! Your taxes don’t go in King Charlie’s pockets anyway. 

[dunlopp9987]

Once again, I love Trevor Noah. This one is short, and perfectly encapsulates my feelings on this

 

[RPG]

6 hours ago, Matt said:

I didn't post my view of evil, I shared a definition. I find the concept of calling Steve, or his post, evil ridiculous and, quite frankly, offensive.

Cambridge definition of evil. I don't know Steve personally but his post certainly ticks the 'evil' boxes.

Cambridge definition:

evil

noun [ C or U ]

 

UK 

 

 /ˈiː.vəl/ US 

 

 /ˈiː.vəl/

 

 

B2

something that is very bad and harmful:

[RPG]

3 hours ago, StevO said:

I like seeing our resident ex-pats arguing about things that go on over here. 

Steve, RPG, you both left, shut your mouths! Your taxes don’t go in King Charlie’s pockets anyway. 

Actually, that is not entirely correct. I do not live in UK but I do still have tax liabilities there and I have opted to contunue paying voluntary National Insurance Contributions. ✌

I am also not being a drain on UK welfare or the NHS, and I am not contributing to UK pollution, UK housing shortage etc.

And, Queen Elizabeth II was my Queen, wherever in the world I might live. King Charles III is my King, wherever I may live.

[Romey 1878]

hey @dunlopp9987, are you still surprised there hadn't been a post about this when you originally asked?  

[dunlopp9987]

4 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

hey @dunlopp9987, are you still surprised there hadn't been a post about this when you originally asked?  

Honestly I regret everything.

Maybe if I hadn't said anything no one would've noticed she had passed...

[Romey 1878]

1 hour ago, dunlopp9987 said:

Honestly I regret everything.

Maybe if I hadn't said anything no one would've noticed she had passed...

I'm glad you realise the error of your ways.

[Gwlad all over]

I think the funeral and pageantry was dignified, personified British history and encapsulated the diverse people who came out to see the procession. HMQ has always been there through my life, at my junior school in 1957 and again in 1999.

[Hafnia]

I watched pretty much all of the funeral today.  The 10 grenadier guards who were the team who carried the coffin throughout were absolutely phenomenal.

Anyone who has had the extremely sad but immense privilege of carrying a coffin will know how tough it is.   They had to do it with a lead lined casket weighing approximately 300kg.   The pressure they would have experienced was insane, those young lads families must be so proud. 
 

Enjoy a few beers tonight boys, I would buy you a pint each if I could. 

[Cornish Steve]

On 11/09/2022 at 04:00, Cornish Steve said:

In principle, I have no issue with a monarch, and such an institution can provide stability and unique sense of national identity.

It's clear the queen was a very hard worker and had a strong sense of responsibility.

 

On 13/09/2022 at 12:22, Cornish Steve said:

She was a decent sort and very hard-working. I made clear my opinion on that earlier.

My opinion has not changed.

On 13/09/2022 at 23:07, Cornish Steve said:

By the way, did you know that if anyone dies in Cornwall without a will, everything they own passes automatically to the Duke of Cornwall?

I'd understood this to be the case for years. Sometimes we must be precise with our wording, though: I should have written "without a will or heirs". Apologies if others thought I was being deliberately deceptive: That wasn't the case. Instead, I was imprecise and as a result misleading. Yes, the duke has in recent years donated these funds to charity, but that could change on a whim.

No big deal to me that some went OTT in response to my comments. I've done the same when arguing passionately for something, so I can hardly complain. Anyway, as Mike wrote, we know some people behind the scenes and can vouch that the forums are frequented by good people.

My middle name is Tactless, and I should have waited a bit before expressing my opinions on the Royals, so apologies for riling some people up when the pain of the queen's death was still raw.

[Cornish Steve]

On 16/09/2022 at 18:24, StevO said:

I like seeing our resident ex-pats arguing about things that go on over here. 

Steve, RPG, you both left, shut your mouths! Your taxes don’t go in King Charlie’s pockets anyway. 

Can't vote anywhere either, so I'm used to my opinion being ignored.

[Hafnia]

30 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

 

My opinion has not changed.

I'd understood this to be the case for years. Sometimes we must be precise with our wording, though: I should have written "with a will or heirs". Apologies if others thought I was being deliberately deceptive: That wasn't the case. Instead, I was imprecise and as a result misleading. Yes, the duke has in recent years donated these funds to charity, but that could change on a whim.

No big deal to me that some went OTT in response to my comments. I've done the same when arguing passionately for something, so I can hardly complain. Anyway, as Mike wrote, we know some people behind the scenes and can vouch that the forums are frequently by good people.

My middle name is Tactless, and I should have waited a bit before expressing my opinions on the Royals, so apologies for riling some people up when the pain of the queen's death was still raw.

Fair play Steve. I’ve no doubts whatsoever you are a good bloke.

[RPG]

9 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

 

My opinion has not changed.

I'd understood this to be the case for years. Sometimes we must be precise with our wording, though: I should have written "with a will or heirs". Apologies if others thought I was being deliberately deceptive: That wasn't the case. Instead, I was imprecise and as a result misleading. Yes, the duke has in recent years donated these funds to charity, but that could change on a whim.

No big deal to me that some went OTT in response to my comments. I've done the same when arguing passionately for something, so I can hardly complain. Anyway, as Mike wrote, we know some people behind the scenes and can vouch that the forums are frequently by good people.

My middle name is Tactless, and I should have waited a bit before expressing my opinions on the Royals, so apologies for riling some people up when the pain of the queen's death was still raw.

Your 'apology' is accepted as far as it goes Steve but you are obviously educated and erudite and I am therefore still firmly of the opinion that you were not 'imprecise' with your words at all. Quite the contrary, in fact. I remain totally convinced that you made a pre meditated decision to try to wilfully deceive your fellow Evertonians and my opinion will never change on that matter. Neither did we go 'OTT' in our responses to your wilful deception attempt - as your subsequent deflection attempt within your 'apology' tries to claim. You got no more than you deserved as this was not only about being pro or anti monarchy but just as much about not trying to wilfully deceive your fellow Evertonians.

As 'apologies' go, Steve, yours is therefore weak, incomplete, smacks of insincerity, fails to apologise for the real issue (wilful deception) and reads like a guilty politician's last, futile attempt at trying to wriggle off the Westminster hook. A straightforward 'mea culpe' (without all the attempted caveats and exclusions) would have put things right but you have chosen not to do that and you have therefore missed the one opportunity you had left to recover at least some of the lost respect.

However, it's clearly the best apology you are willing to provide, able to provide, or have the moral intestinal fortitude to provide, so I guess we draw a line and move on.

Diplomatic relations restored.

God Save The King.

[RPG]

BBC reporting that 5.1 billion people (that is over 63% of the world's entire population) watched The Queen's funeral. The largest single viewing figure for any event on the planet, ever!

Who was it that was asking how much value there really was in our Royal Family a few posts ago?

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1571921063428096000

[Palfy]

The Queen’s funeral was an estimated 5.1 Billion people world wide, Diana’s was estimated to be 2.5 Billion, and Mandela’s was estimated to be 1 Billion. Now I’m not for one minute trying to suggest that Queen is any better or any worse than the other two, or that everyone of those estimated viewers for all three watched because of their love and respect for those particular people. But for me whether you are a Royalist or a Republican that is proof that the pageantry of our Royal family is a spectacle that world loves and sets us apart from any other nation in the world. After the events of the last ten days we should be proud of our Royal family of what it means to this country and what it means to the world it’s our biggest export not in money terms, but in the way Britain is admired and respected by more than fifty percent of the world’s population, even if the Monarchy contributes nothing to state ( which it does ) then the punitive amount it costs each person a year shouldn’t even be a consideration when you what they do for this country alone, they have once again put the Great back into Britain with a world clamouring to be part of our spectacular Regal pageantry. And the icing on the cake in all of this was that the Queen was such a shining example to us all and was respected not just here but all over the world. And just for a minute consider the consequences of having a President Johnson as your head of State, it was bad enough having him as PM for a few years. 

[Hafnia]

7 hours ago, RPG said:

Your 'apology' is accepted as far as it goes Steve but you are obviously educated and erudite and I am therefore still firmly of the opinion that you were not 'imprecise' with your words at all. Quite the contrary, in fact. I remain totally convinced that you made a pre meditated decision to try to wilfully deceive your fellow Evertonians and my opinion will never change on that matter. Neither did we go 'OTT' in our responses to your wilful deception attempt - as your subsequent deflection attempt within your 'apology' tries to claim. You got no more than you deserved as this was not only about being pro or anti monarchy but just as much about not trying to wilfully deceive your fellow Evertonians.

As 'apologies' go, Steve, yours is therefore weak, incomplete, smacks of insincerity, fails to apologise for the real issue (wilful deception) and reads like a guilty politician's last, futile attempt at trying to wriggle off the Westminster hook. A straightforward 'mea culpe' (without all the attempted caveats and exclusions) would have put things right but you have chosen not to do that and you have therefore missed the one opportunity you had left to recover at least some of the lost respect.

However, it's clearly the best apology you are willing to provide, able to provide, or have the moral intestinal fortitude to provide, so I guess we draw a line and move on.

Diplomatic relations restored.

God Save The King.

That’s enough. Ffs. He kept off the forum to allow things to simmer, offered an apology, you had called him evil? Is he demanding an apology off you? Cos he’s not evil and frankly that’s an insult. 

seriously you have taken this way too far. 

[RPG]

13 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

That’s enough. Ffs. He kept off the forum to allow things to simmer, offered an apology, you had called him evil? Is he demanding an apology off you? Cos he’s not evil and frankly that’s an insult. 

seriously you have taken this way too far. 

No, I haven't. Steve offered a conditional apology littered with caveats and exemptions. I therefore conditionally accepted his apology. Don't try to tell me what's enough please Haf. I will do that for myself without taking any notice of you. It's over as far as I am concerned (as per my post on the matter) and was over as soon as I made the post but I stand by every word. I'm sure if Steve wants to take it up further with me he will but my comments stand.

[Hafnia]

2 minutes ago, RPG said:

No, I haven't. Steve offered a conditional apology littered with caveats and exemptions. I have therefore conditionally accepted his apology. Don't try to tell me what's enough please Haf. I will do that for myself without taking any notice of you. It's over as far as I am concerned (as per my post on the matter) and was over as soon as I made the post but I stand by every word. I'm sure if Steve wants to take it up further with me he will but my comments stand.

I’ll make my opinion on it and stand by it myself thanks.  He’s made his point, we made ours.  You can’t just accept the apology and move on, it has to come with little bits and barbs and I do not like how this has turned out one bit. 
 

think it’s time to close the thread myself, the Queen got the send off she deserved and hopefully those who watched appreciated the organisation, bravery, stoicism, tradition. 

[RPG]

3 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

I’ll make my opinion on it and stand by it myself thanks.  He’s made his point, we made ours.  You can’t just accept the apology and move on, it has to come with little bits and barns and I do not like how this has turned out one bit. 

Neither do I. If Steve had just said 'Sorry mate, I was out of order' that would have been done with. But he didn't. He gave the politicians answer and tried to leave himself a way out. Not having that.

Of course you have your opinion. I wouldn't have it any other way. Just don't try to tell me what my opinion is.

[RPG]

16 minutes ago, Hafnia said:

think it’s time to close the thread myself, the Queen got the send off she deserved and hopefully those who watched appreciated the organisation, bravery, stoicism, tradition. 

Soon be time to start another one though:

The Coronation Of King Charles III

[Palfy]

This is getting silly now. Steve has said his piece and drawn a line under it, RPG has responded to Steve and has drawn a line under it, their position’s may differ but that was always going to be the case, and they both accept that and have still drawn a line under it, because that is the best way forward. I was guilty of using the word evil when referring to Steve’s post, I have reflected on that and made my apologies to Steve, and he was wonderful in his response to my message which for me should remain private to us unless agreed otherwise. 
 

Haf you don’t need to wield your sword in defending Steve, Steve is more than capable of defending himself if he wishes to, remember the pen is mightier than sword and Steve has more ink in his pen than most on here, and I include myself with that comment. So if RPG and yourself now draw a line under your squabble surrounding this matter we should all be able to forgive and forget. That’s unless of course Matt doesn’t come storming in 2 days later like a 6 year old, who has had a month’s worth of E numbers in one hour, threatening to be head everyone and everything in sight in his own form of democracy, and before I feel the need to go into hiding Matt that was very much said as an endearing joke

[Cornish Steve]

9 hours ago, RPG said:

BBC reporting that 5.1 billion people (that is over 63% of the world's entire population) watched The Queen's funeral. The largest single viewing figure for any event on the planet, ever!

Who was it that was asking how much value there really was in our Royal Family a few posts ago?

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1571921063428096000

Oh. Did I miss it?

[RPG]

5 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Oh. Did I miss it?

I think you 'missed' quite a bit in the last week or so Steve. 

[Cornish Steve]

3 hours ago, Palfy said:

The Queen’s funeral was an estimated 5.1 Billion people world wide, Diana’s was estimated to be 2.5 Billion, and Mandela’s was estimated to be 1 Billion. Now I’m not for one minute trying to suggest that Queen is any better or any worse than the other two, or that everyone of those estimated viewers for all three watched because of their love and respect for those particular people. But for me whether you are a Royalist or a Republican that is proof that the pageantry of our Royal family is a spectacle that world loves and sets us apart from any other nation in the world. After the events of the last ten days we should be proud of our Royal family of what it means to this country and what it means to the world it’s our biggest export not in money terms, but in the way Britain is admired and respected by more than fifty percent of the world’s population, even if the Monarchy contributes nothing to state ( which it does ) then the punitive amount it costs each person a year shouldn’t even be a consideration when you what they do for this country alone, they have once again put the Great back into Britain with a world clamouring to be part of our spectacular Regal pageantry. And the icing on the cake in all of this was that the Queen was such a shining example to us all and was respected not just here but all over the world. And just for a minute consider the consequences of having a President Johnson as your head of State, it was bad enough having him as PM for a few years. 

While I agree with your comments on pageantry - Britain knows how to put on a solemn spectacle - the term 'Great' has nothing to do with greatness. Great Britain identifies the largest island among the British Isles: It's a geographic term - rather like Greater Piddling and Little Piddling.

Caveat: While, strictly, residents of the Isle of Wight are not part of Great Britain and therefore should not represent GB in international tournaments, Great Britain has, in the minds of many, become a term synonymous with 'United Kingdom minus Northern Ireland'. This can be inferred from the passport of British citizens, which refers to the nation as 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'. Any misleading implication in the above paragraph is unintended and sincere apologies are extended to any residents of offshore isles: Isle of Wight, Scilly Isles, Skye, etc.

Apologies to residents of Lundy and other British Isles not listed in the above paragraph. Their absence from the list is in no way meant to imply they are "lesser" in stature than other isles - even if, geographically, that might be the case.

 

[Cornish Steve]

5 hours ago, Palfy said:

This is getting silly now. Steve has said his piece and drawn a line under it, RPG has responded to Steve and has drawn a line under it, their position’s may differ but that was always going to be the case, and they both accept that and have still drawn a line under it, because that is the best way forward. I was guilty of using the word evil when referring to Steve’s post, I have reflected on that and made my apologies to Steve, and he was wonderful in his response to my message which for me should remain private to us unless agreed otherwise. 
 

Haf you don’t need to wield your sword in defending Steve, Steve is more than capable of defending himself if he wishes to, remember the pen is mightier than sword and Steve has more ink in his pen than most on here, and I include myself with that comment. So if RPG and yourself now draw a line under your squabble surrounding this matter we should all be able to forgive and forget. That’s unless of course Matt doesn’t come storming in 2 days later like a 6 year old, who has had a month’s worth of E numbers in one hour, threatening to be head everyone and everything in sight in his own form of democracy, and before I feel the need to go into hiding Matt that was very much said as an endearing joke

Since he mentioned it, so can I. Palfy sent me a very gracious note, confirming once again that he's a decent person. We all get passionate on these forums from time to time, but the human aspects - usually revealed behind the scenes - are what make them different. It's a community and, amazingly, people here care about one another.

[MikeO]

17 hours ago, RPG said:

BBC reporting that 5.1 billion people (that is over 63% of the world's entire population) watched The Queen's funeral.

Or not...

"There’s no evidence the BBC reported a 5.1 billion audience"

https://fullfact.org/news/Queen-funeral-viewing-figures/

"SC CARTWRIGHT " are not the BBC.

Do I accept that you simply made a mistake or conclude that you set out to mislead? I'll have to give it some thought.

[StevO]

I never quite understand the need for someone to apologise in a public forum, unless the previous comments were personal. 
It’s like apologising for an opinion, if you genuinely mean it then no need to apologise. Just agree to disagree. 
Asking for apologies is just weird to me. 
 

Governments, monarchies, football, music, people will disagree. No point in being upset by someone else’s take on it. 

Steve’s post about the monarchy is hardly going to cause major upset, and if it did then that’s unfortunate. An alternative point of view or alternative information, maybe better information, has been posted. Fine. The argument is now balanced. I don’t see why it would need to go any further. 
 

Can’t we all just agree that it’s sad that someone died and we all have different views on how to run a country? 
 

If it’s like this when the queen dies just imagine what it’ll be like if something happens to Kenwright!

[Matt]

Fucking hell this descended into utterly embarrassing didn't it. 

Im locking the thread now. May this thread also rest in peace.