Bournemouth (Away) EFL Cup Tuesday 8th November

[Zoo 2.0]

1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Just as a matter of interest is anyone still happy with the team selection ?

Yeah I was/am fine with it.

[milesey05]

Just now, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Just as a matter of interest is anyone still happy with the team selection ?

Nope! Said a Fat Sam line up before KO so knew we were getting fuck all from this game. 
 

2 games before World Cup break!! Should have gone full team imo 
 

[Btay]

2 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Just as a matter of interest is anyone still happy with the team selection ?

Must win on the weekend to validate it. I think most the players today have justified that they are not good enough for this club bar a few. ( mainly the younger ones )

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

1 minute ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Yeah I was/am fine with it.

Can you please explain what it’s achieved?

[Zoo 2.0]

1 minute ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

Can you please explain what it’s achieved?

Saved legs in what is a tight schedule, in a cup competition that we aren't going to win and serves nothing more than a distraction from the league. Not arsed one bit about us going out, and of course we now have a better chance in the "real" fixture.

Would love to be able to compete on all fronts, but we're not good enough as a club to do so.

[plaidharper]

Nothing good to say about the players or the manager so just going to say nothing.

Let's hope its better at the weekend.  Night all.

[Btay]

1 minute ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Saved legs in what is a tight schedule, in a cup competition that we aren't going to win and serves nothing more than a distraction from the league. Not arsed one bit about us going out, and of course we now have a better chance in the "real" fixture.

Would love to be able to compete on all fronts, but we're not good enough as a club to do so.

What’s sad is that with us struggling in the league this was a chance for some of the fringe players to claim a stake for more time. All it’s done is show Lampard we no depth outside our 11-13 first team players - who aren’t fairing much better.

Maupay was absolute trash tonight. Major concerns over him right now.

[Cornish Steve]

Personally, i see many positives from this result:

1) We don't waste time on a pointless cup in a season when the World Cup has already compressed the schedule unreasonably.

2) We rested our first team ahead of an important league game at the weekend.

3) We gave a couple of youngsters the chance to play against Prem opposition.

4) We learned a decent amount about how Bournemouth are likely to play against us at the weekend.

Negatives? Can't really think of any.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

2 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

Saved legs in what is a tight schedule, in a cup competition that we aren't going to win and serves nothing more than a distraction from the league. Not arsed one bit about us going out, and of course we now have a better chance in the "real" fixture.

Would love to be able to compete on all fronts, but we're not good enough as a club to do so.

Saves legs?

FFS it’s the first week in November and they have 6 weeks off after we get beat on Saturday. If they need to rest then the need fucking off
You are right in one thing though it’s a competition we will never win because we never take it seriously. It’s the only competition we realistically have a chance in so I just can’t comprehend why the club or any of our fans aren’t interested

I honestly think that all we have done is hand them a massive confidence boost whilst at the same time heaping more pressure on ourselves

Also when we went two nil down why then make those subs to chase a game we clearly had no interest in winning?

I fully expected Iwobi to see red for lashing out at the end there and miss three games just to compound the farce 

Frank  has had a lot of good will from the terraces despite results not improving but that will soon evaporate quickly if they continue to disrespect the travelling fans like that

i could understand throwing in a few fringe players and resting players with knocks but completely throwing the towel in and totally destroying confidence / morale just makes no sense to me

 

 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

3 minutes ago, Cornish Steve said:

Personally, i see many positives from this result:

1) We don't waste time on a pointless cup in a season when the World Cup has already compressed the schedule unreasonably.

2) We rested our first team ahead of an important league game at the weekend.

3) We gave a couple of youngsters the chance to play against Prem opposition.

4) We learned a decent amount about how Bournemouth are likely to play against us at the weekend.

Negatives? Can't really think of any.

I really can’t get my head around your first point, In what way is it pointless?

Winning it ends our trophy drought and guarantees European football 

Why do you have any interest in Everton Football Club if you don’t want them to be successful and win trophies?

We gave the kids ten minutes by which time we were already getting twatted so all we were doing was throwing them into a toxic environment , not sure that’s a great way to develop them

I’m lucky enough to have been following us home and away in the glory years of the mid 80’s so it’s a completely alien concept for me to be happy that we just exist. It ruins my week if we lose a preseason friendly so to not only accept abject failure in a domestic cup competition but not even see any negatives just blows my mind 

 

 

[RuffRob]

Unfortunately, turned out to be not much more than a run our for the second string, with a number of players returning to fitness from injury - and it showed. 

And that is pretty much what this cup now is year on year, just a place to give squad members a run out.

I do feel for fans who pay money to travel and watch these games, but not at all surprised at the result once the line up was announced.

This result can only really be judged properly once we play the league game against them in a few day time. 

 

 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

12 minutes ago, RuffRob said:

Unfortunately, turned out to be not much more than a run our for the second string, with a number of players returning to fitness from injury - and it showed. 

And that is pretty much what this cup now is year on year, just a place to give squad members a run out.

I do feel for fans who pay money to travel and watch these games, but not at all surprised at the result once the line up was announced.

This result can only really be judged properly once we play the league game against them in a few day time. 

 

 

If we win at the weekend it will be despite this result not because of it

[Zoo 2.0]

5 minutes ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

If we win at the weekend it will be despite this result not because of it

If we win at the weekend then tonight's game will be a massive reason why - that's surely obvious to anyone regardless of what side of the fence you sit. 

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

6 minutes ago, Zoo 2.0 said:

If we win at the weekend then tonight's game will be a massive reason why - that's surely obvious to anyone regardless of what side of the fence you sit. 

I must be missing something then, as far as I can see all we have done is rest a few players who don’t or at least shouldn’t need a rest and in doing so have destroyed any signs of positivity / confidence by getting twatted

The fans have gone from getting right behind Frank and the team to booing them off the pitch. 

The only things we have succeeded in doing are extending our trophy drought and ramping up the pressure on the players to get a result on Saturday 

Winning breeds confidence losing has the opposite effect and I can guess which squad of players will be more confident on Saturday

Feel free to point out the positives of us getting twatted though

 

[Bailey]

I had a bit of a disjointed watch but from what I saw our midfield were non-existent, our defenders looked uninterested and Im not convinced we played with any attackers.

It was disjointed, there was so much space for them between the lines and once again we had little in attack.

The one surprise was that on a couple of occasions Davies looked quick!?

[Shukes]

To be fair it has gave the Shite fans more fuel in social media. They are loving it.

So at least we are helping out the disadvantaged.

[Matt]

13 hours ago, Matt said:

Stranger things have happened, I sense a roflstomp

I wasn't wrong...

[patto]

13 hours ago, Matt said:

Is that 541?? Or 352 maybe?

 

It’s 11 v 11

[patto]

I’ve complained in the past at not being able to get tickets for the away games and how they are distributed but thank Christ I can’t. 
I feel sorry for our travelling fans that performance is hard to swallow. 

[Romey 1878]

Well that was fucking shite wasn't it?

Going off Lampard's comments after the game a fair few who played last night have been asking for more game time and opportunities. His comments also suggest that they won't be getting anymore of them after the poor performances all over the pitch.

It'll look even worse for them if the first 11 players now go there at the weekend and get a win. Lampard will be hoping they do as well or things are going to get dicey for him.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

27 minutes ago, patto said:

It’s 11 v 11

It definitely didn’t look that way

[patto]

Rumours of trouble in dressing room after the game I don’t know if it is true. 
Gana and Onana really need to step up now. 
upfront I don’t know what we do it’s a shambles. 
On another point Billing is far better than what we have in midfield how much would he have cost I wonder. 

[Btay]

2 hours ago, patto said:

Rumours of trouble in dressing room after the game I don’t know if it is true. 
Gana and Onana really need to step up now. 
upfront I don’t know what we do it’s a shambles. 
On another point Billing is far better than what we have in midfield how much would he have cost I wonder. 

Would rather they show some fight on the pitch not in the dressing room but hey, it’s a start right.

[RuffRob]

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Well that was fucking shite wasn't it?

Going off Lampard's comments after the game a fair few who played last night have been asking for more game time and opportunities. His comments also suggest that they won't be getting anymore of them after the poor performances all over the pitch.

It'll look even worse for them if the first 11 players now go there at the weekend and get a win. Lampard will be hoping they do as well or things are going to get dicey for him.

I think that is exactly right, these games and opportunity are there for fringe players to step up and show why they should be closer to the starting 11. However, it is difficult to get a fluid 'team' when most of the team that was put out last night will not have recently player together, but you hope that two or three inspired individual performance help get the team over the line. It just lacked anybody getting hold of the game by the scruff of the neck. 

Lampard has to give these fringe players a chance to show what they have got in the odd game, but none really shone through. I think we all know a 'weak' squad was inherited so last night not a massive surprise, and its was always going to take more than one financially constrained transfer window to sort out. 

[patto]

1 hour ago, Btay said:

Would rather they show some fight on the pitch not in the dressing room but hey, it’s a start right.

I agree it’s a start if true some of our players have really bad attitudes. 
it’s not worth naming them I think we all have an idea who they are. 
most of that lineup last night wouldn’t be missed 1 iota let’s hope we can move them on in January. 

[Hafnia]

Let’s just say the residue of the attitude that near got us relegated is still there.   Whether it’s Keane and Holgate and their “not arsed” attitude to stopping danger, players not running or making themselves available, doucoure and Davies looking like pembridge and gemmil…… 

lampard needs to understand that he’s at a critical time. A good few players need launching and lampard needs to get tough on himself and the players. 

[Cornish Steve]

Holgate, Mina, and Keane have possibly just played their last game for the club. Doucoure is a big disappointment, and I wonder whether that's because he's taken being dropped as a personal slight and it's affected his attitude/motivation. I hope the youngsters Cannon and Mills aren't dejected by this match because they are potential bright stars in our future.

[patto]

1 hour ago, Cornish Steve said:

Holgate, Mina, and Keane have possibly just played their last game for the club. Doucoure is a big disappointment, and I wonder whether that's because he's taken being dropped as a personal slight and it's affected his attitude/motivation. I hope the youngsters Cannon and Mills aren't dejected by this match because they are potential bright stars in our future.

They weren’t involved long enough for it to affect them. 

[Btay]

With the way these games are going at the moment it would have been a good chance to win some silverware 

[MikeO]

16 minutes ago, Btay said:

With the way these games are going at the moment it would have been a good chance to win some silverware 

My thought exactly; Spurs, Arsenal and Chelsea all on the way out, Liverpool going to shoot-out as it stands. You have to be in it to win it.

[Romey 1878]

Fuck off, it’s the League Cup, we’re never winning that. We could be two nil up in the final with 5 minutes to go and we’d still not finally get our hands on that trophy .

[Bailey]

10 hours ago, RuffRob said:

I think that is exactly right, these games and opportunity are there for fringe players to step up and show why they should be closer to the starting 11. However, it is difficult to get a fluid 'team' when most of the team that was put out last night will not have recently player together, but you hope that two or three inspired individual performance help get the team over the line. It just lacked anybody getting hold of the game by the scruff of the neck. 

Lampard has to give these fringe players a chance to show what they have got in the odd game, but none really shone through. I think we all know a 'weak' squad was inherited so last night not a massive surprise, and its was always going to take more than one financially constrained transfer window to sort out. 

Its very difficult to put a group of fringe players like that and get a result. If you want to see what a fringe player can do, they need to go into a settled squad and that is when you judge them properly. For example, I dont think you would have seen much difference if you played one of Coady, Gueye or Dom. Some of the first teamers came on late and we were just as bad.

9 hours ago, Hafnia said:

Let’s just say the residue of the attitude that near got us relegated is still there.   Whether it’s Keane and Holgate and their “not arsed” attitude to stopping danger, players not running or making themselves available, doucoure and Davies looking like pembridge and gemmil…… 

lampard needs to understand that he’s at a critical time. A good few players need launching and lampard needs to get tough on himself and the players. 

I think this needs to be extended to some of the new players too. 

Patterson had a rough game which was encapsulated in that 4th goal. Maupay was anonymous for most of the game. Garner's defensive work is leakier than a sieve. Even last years golden boy (Gordon) did fuck all. 

The usual suspects will all get blamed and I get that but that was a fuck up from top to bottom. Hopefully it doesn't linger and we can move on with 3 points at the weekend.

[Cornish Steve]

Watching the goals we conceded in this game makes me realize just how much progress we've made in our first team defence. What abysmal positioning from our defenders last night: It was embarrassing. There's simply no way we concede those goals with our regular defenders playing. Yes, Patterson was to blame for the fourth goal, but let's hope he learns from that mistake.

[Cornish Steve]

3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

Fuck off, it’s the League Cup, we’re never winning that. We could be two nil up in the final with 5 minutes to go and we’d still not finally get our hands on that trophy .

Liverpool did almost worse, coming within a whisker of losing at home to Derby. No Prem team takes this Mickey Mouse Cup seriously.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

6 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

Liverpool did almost worse, coming within a whisker of losing at home to Derby. No Prem team takes this Mickey Mouse Cup seriously.

I really do wonder what is going on in the heads of Evertonians like you ( as in share your opinion that the competition is worthless) at times?

If our trophy cabinet was bursting at the seams and we were winning titles and competing regularly in the Champions League then possibly I could understand you turning your nose up at this trophy. But the fact remains we are coming up to 28 years now without winning a fucking thing

What do you want from Everton?

We are not going to win the league again in my life time so why not take the cups seriously ?

[Palfy]

Lampard sent a team out that are meant to be PL players, players that were last season mostly regulars in the team. Tactically it didn't work it was a disaster so the manager has to take responsibility that's the nature of management, your decision your fault and Lampard won't hide from that he will  have learnt from it, he will have learned that players who wanted to play who had an opportunity to say I am good enough aren't, and they let Everton themselves and their manager down. As much as I would love to win the only domestic trophy that isn't in our cabinet, I would rather forget that honour and concentrate on staying in the league, that has to and will always be the most important thing to this club. That loss I have to be honest never ruined my week I was disappointed at the manner in which we lost, but the loss against Leicester totally ruined my weekend, and my reason is that was an important league game that we needed to win, the Bournemouth game was a cup game that we didn't need to win. I think Lampard got it right not to play his first team and to concentrate on the Saturday league game as the must win game, we haven't played into their hands they will be facing a completely different Everton Saturday, one that will be stronger in defence and midfield and Bournemouth will have to be at the top of their game to score past us, my only concern is finishing our chances but that's been my only real concern with this team since the beginning of the season and nothing has changed. We go to Bournemouth on Saturday a different team a different mindset and we come back with 3 points, and Lampard will be the messiah once again for getting it right. 

[Cornish Steve]

19 hours ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I really do wonder what is going on in the heads of Evertonians like you ( as in share your opinion that the competition is worthless) at times?

If our trophy cabinet was bursting at the seams and we were winning titles and competing regularly in the Champions League then possibly I could understand you turning your nose up at this trophy. But the fact remains we are coming up to 28 years now without winning a fucking thing

What do you want from Everton?

We are not going to win the league again in my life time so why not take the cups seriously ?

I realize my opinion on this Cup is unpopular, but just look at the data:

• Liverpool almost lose at home to Derby
• Brentford lose at home to Gillingham
• Arsenal lose at home to Brighton
• Spurs lose to Forest
• Southampton almost lose at home to Wednesday
• West Ham lose at home to Blackburn

Why do Premier League teams increasingly steer clear of it? Because the prize money is less than a referee's annual salary whereas picking up just one position in the League is worth millions. Plus, it risks player injury and can lead to dropping points in meaningful games because of a squashed schedule.

My grandad had a display cabinet containing a bunch of medals from World War I. All were genuine bar one. That one exception was apparently sold by the Daily Mail. Heaven only knows why grandad thought it was worth buying because it devalued the genuine medals he received for real service and real heroism. This is what the League Cup is like: worth next to nothing and devaluing real trophies.

Yes, feel free to disagree, it's your right, but I stand by my opinion on this one.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

15 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

I realize my opinion on this Cup is unpopular, but just look at the data:

• Liverpool almost lose at home to Derby
• Brentford lose at home to Gillingham
• Arsenal lose at home to Brighton
• Spurs lose to Forest
• Southampton almost lose at home to Wednesday
• West Ham lose at home to Blackburn

Why do Premier League teams increasingly steer clear of it? Because the prize money is less than a referee's annual salary whereas picking up just one position in the League is worth millions. Plus, it risks player injury and can lead to dropping points in meaningful games because of a squashed schedule.

My grandad had a display cabinet containing a bunch of medals from World War I. All were genuine bar one. That one exception was apparently sold by the Daily Mail. Heaven only knows why grandad thought it was worth buying because it devalued the genuine medals he received for real service and real heroism. This is what the League Cup is like: worth next to nothing and devaluing real trophies.

Yes, feel free to disagree, it's your right, but I stand by my opinion on this one.

I don’t think it is an unpopular opinion to be honest, there are quite a few who will agree with you, it’s just an alien concept to me

I want us to win every game we play, I couldn’t give a toss about the money I would much rather see us win football games and trophies 

I would gladly take the £100k for winning the Caraboa Cup over the £35M for finishing 5th in the Premier League

I can’t imagine waking up on a Saturday morning thinking I hope we make a few bob against these today

Even if you are only interested in making money then the Caraboa Cup gets you into the Europa League which in turn can get you into the Champions League and I think that’s a more realistic route to the riches that brings than finishing top 4 in the league

 

[Cornish Steve]

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I want us to win every game we play, I couldn’t give a toss about the money I would much rather see us win football games and trophies

In an ideal world, I would also like to see us win every game we play. Given the size of squad and questionable attitude/quality in its lower echelons, though, it's not realistic. If this is the case, then we should maximize our chances, both in the short-tern and long-term. The long-term, of course, requires solid financials, which is why the amount of money derived from each result must be taken into account.

1 hour ago, duncanmckenzieismagic said:

I would gladly take the £100k for winning the Caraboa Cup over the £35M for finishing 5th in the Premier League

The problem, though, is that we need the £35M to bring in the right players during transfer windows. If we have only £100k to play with, we're really going to struggle. Much as I'd prefer not to consider the grubby subject of money, only the rich clubs can succeed over the long haul. I wouldn't want to be a flash in the pan.

[Tonsta]

Most of the teams listed, are either in european football, or hoping to get in through their league position.

We are playing to stay up, and a good cup run would breed confidence, and help the league position.

Will never understand throwing away a cup game in the only competition we could win.

Maybe its an age thing, but it makes no sence to me, especialy whan they are now going to get 5 weeks rest.

[duncanmckenzieismagic]

4 hours ago, Cornish Steve said:

In an ideal world, I would also like to see us win every game we play. Given the size of squad and questionable attitude/quality in its lower echelons, though, it's not realistic. If this is the case, then we should maximize our chances, both in the short-tern and long-term. The long-term, of course, requires solid financials, which is why the amount of money derived from each result must be taken into account.

The problem, though, is that we need the £35M to bring in the right players during transfer windows. If we have only £100k to play with, we're really going to struggle. Much as I'd prefer not to consider the grubby subject of money, only the rich clubs can succeed over the long haul. I wouldn't want to be a flash in the pan.

Why would we only have £100k to play with?

Winning the cup and doing well in the league are not mutually exclusive, in fact history shows winning the league cup can be the launchpad for further success

I just think it’s a sad indictment for how the game has gone that some fans see success as what’s in a clubs bank statement rather than what’s in their trophy cabinet

[Hafnia]

The team we put out was more than good enough to win.  They performed pathetically and the existence of these players is pretty much the reason why the club is where it is…. We have players who wanted a chance to get involved but couldn’t be arsed. 
 

only the introduction of Coady, tarks, Patterson, has given us a flavour of the why the character of the team was so poor.  Holgate, Keane, Gordon….. I have severe doubts over their attitude.       Some like gray, maupay, mcneil need someone in the side to get them at it. 
 

for me the biggest disappointment was that players who should have been chomping at the bit to prove a point just looked half arsed. There is still a lot of surgery to do with this squad. 

[Bailey]

23 hours ago, Tonsta said:

Most of the teams listed, are either in european football, or hoping to get in through their league position.

We are playing to stay up, and a good cup run would breed confidence, and help the league position.

Will never understand throwing away a cup game in the only competition we could win.

Maybe its an age thing, but it makes no sence to me, especialy whan they are now going to get 5 weeks rest.

I think these games are a good chance for some players who have been on the fringes to have a run out by bringing them into an otherwise relatively settled side. When you switch the entire 11 you are asking for trouble.