memmaclub2 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, RPG said: And if we thought that Soton was a 6 pointer, we are away to West Ham next week! Lose that and it really is game over I think. With all the toxic atmosphere around the club at the moment, I think we should be more worried about Frank resigning than debating whether or not we sack him. I disagree mate he picks the team and has say on signings, Gana is his signing and he has been in the midfield of a poor side. Frank is on the hook for this hat other prom manager would have out seen this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad all over Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, RuffRob said: It would not suprise me if he went home spoke to his family, and he will decide to resign. Who needs this type of shit in there lives. He would actually help the board and the club by doing this, as would ease the pressure around the place and the sack or not to sack has been taken out of the clubs hand. Going beyond toxic now. This. Feel sorry for him. RPG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 hours ago, memmaclub2 said: I disagree mate he picks the team and has say on signings, Gana is his signing and he has been in the midfield of a poor side. Frank is on the hook for this hat other prom manager would have out seen this. Unlike Ancelotti and Koeman, Frank is seriously hamstrung by finances. The days of buying four Number 10s at up to 40 mill a go are over. Frank bought the best he could within the parameters in which he has to operate. A classic case of 'don't shoot the messenger' in my opinion as Frank has been left holding a very poisoned chalice from day one. I don't think Guardiola could get us out of the mess we are in and I am getting ready for next seasons fixtures to include Plymouth Argyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 hours ago, RPG said: Unlike Ancelotti and Koeman, Frank is seriously hamstrung by finances. The days of buying four Number 10s at up to 40 mill a go are over. Frank bought the best he could within the parameters in which he has to operate. A classic case of 'don't shoot the messenger' in my opinion as Frank has been left holding a very poisoned chalice from day one. I don't think Guardiola could get us out of the mess we are in and I am getting ready for next seasons fixtures to include Plymouth Argyle. I don’t know the maths of it but he did get given money from Ricky sale. The CB pairing the midfield pairing the back up striker and one winger were all his. He has to take some responsibility for our position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffRob Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 6 minutes ago, memmaclub2 said: I don’t know the maths of it but he did get given money from Ricky sale. The CB pairing the midfield pairing the back up striker and one winger were all his. He has to take some responsibility for our position Our main problem is trying to spread the sale from one player across the who squad. CB's, midfield, wings, striker. Its a lot fire fighting and plugging gaps, while still trying to build something for the future. I think the Everton managers job is arguably the toughest job in the Premier League and beyond. Shit to average squad of players, shit board, FFP restriction on spending, and massive demanding and pissed off fan base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsta Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Dont get this threat to the board, yes chant at them, yes have banners, yes vent your splien. Who would want to harm G Sharp, no one, this threat has not been given any credibility about its source. Sounds like a FM publisity stunt to take the pressure of them, and dump it on the fans. To come out and blame the fans for him sacking managers, just shows how cluless this man is, and he will go to any lenghths to excuse his lack of ability to run a premiership club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 Do you know what really annoys me about yesterday? In that first half I actually thought we played quite well and could have been leading by more than 1 goal (Bailey, just keep quiet because I cba reading an essay on how Southampton were actually Barcelona at their peak and played us off the park). We attacked well and while it was still hit and miss, it was more hit for a change I thought. I'm sat there at half time thinking just keep it tight for the first 10 minutes of the second half and the Southampton players will really feel the pressure then and we can push again and finish it off. We didn't even last 50 second of the second half and we kicked off! That absolutely killed us and we never recovered. The game was only going to be won by Southampton from that point on because our confidence is so fragile. Players didn't want the ball, players didn't want to play the ball forward (even with throw-ins we'd automatically face back towards our own goal!). Even if the ball forward was a simple one that was risk free, because a player had actually found some space, they still did not want to choose that option. Shukes, Wall Writer and Quinn31 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, memmaclub2 said: I don’t know the maths of it but he did get given money from Ricky sale. The CB pairing the midfield pairing the back up striker and one winger were all his. He has to take some responsibility for our position Some, yes but he is being set up as the only fall guy and whilst I understand the frustration and the desire to see change, I am not at all convinced that any other manager could do any better with the same resources and funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 19 minutes ago, RPG said: Some, yes but he is being set up as the only fall guy and whilst I understand the frustration and the desire to see change, I am not at all convinced that any other manager could do any better with the same resources and funding. There is defo some truth to both sides but when you say the same resources Frank has some of his own resources and the side is worse than last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 8 minutes ago, memmaclub2 said: There is defo some truth to both sides but when you say the same resources Frank has some of his own resources and the side is worse than last season. The results are certainly worse, yes. I think the biggest mistake has been to chop and change systems. 5-3-2, 3-4-3, 4-3-3 etc. He has been unlucky with injuries and has had to shop for players at bargain basement prices so I have a lot of sympathy for him but he is not blameless, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, RPG said: The results are certainly worse, yes. I think the biggest mistake has been to chop and change systems. 5-3-2, 3-4-3, 4-3-3 etc. He has been unlucky with injuries and has had to shop for players at bargain basement prices so I have a lot of sympathy for him but he is not blameless, I agree. Interested to know mate would you have appointed Frank if we were in a better position. AND would you sack him now today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Lampard looks lost, any half decent manager would get a better tune out of those players now. Groundhog Day but if he stays we definitely go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memmaclub2 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 I think lampard was a poor appt but maybe a symptom of how far we have sunk. I would be happy with Dyche I would have taken him over a number of our other manager choice. I see him as a bit like moyes he may not be ancelotti but he can build a team better than the sun of its parts and that is what we need. my perfect scenario would have been kept ancelloti but I get that was never going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPG Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, memmaclub2 said: Interested to know mate would you have appointed Frank if we were in a better position. AND would you sack him now today? If we had been in a better position we may have had more options available as potential manager so it is very difficult to answer your question. Taking it to extremes, of course I would prefer Guardiola to Frank but we were not and are not in a position to attract such managers. Your second question is easier to answer. No, I would not sack Frank today. For all his failings he is honest and I actually trust him to resign if he feels he is out of his depth - as Keegan did as England manager. Keegan admitted that he knew he had to resign when he could see things going wrong on the pitch but didn't know what to do to put them right. Also, we are in such a mess that we cannot afford to sack Frank until a new manager is ready to be appointed. Sacking Frank and being under a caretaker manager for a few weeks could extinguish the last glimmer of hope of avoiding relegation. If we were going to sack Frank it should have been done at the start of the World Cup break for obvious reasons. We didn't and I think Frank and Everton are stuck with each other as the situation is now beyond the Point of No Return. I would actually even go so far as to say that if the board do sack Frank it may well be a tacit admission of accepting relegation and of preparing for life in the Championship. Wall Writer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 9 hours ago, Romey 1878 said: Do you know what really annoys me about yesterday? In that first half I actually thought we played quite well and could have been leading by more than 1 goal (Bailey, just keep quiet because I cba reading an essay on how Southampton were actually Barcelona at their peak and played us off the park). We attacked well and while it was still hit and miss, it was more hit for a change I thought. I'm sat there at half time thinking just keep it tight for the first 10 minutes of the second half and the Southampton players will really feel the pressure then and we can push again and finish it off. We didn't even last 50 second of the second half and we kicked off! That absolutely killed us and we never recovered. The game was only going to be won by Southampton from that point on because our confidence is so fragile. Players didn't want the ball, players didn't want to play the ball forward (even with throw-ins we'd automatically face back towards our own goal!). Even if the ball forward was a simple one that was risk free, because a player had actually found some space, they still did not want to choose that option. I was going to go more with 2017 Real Madrid but I get the point! Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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